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2011-02-17 05:00:33 PM  
Wow... who even has a Zune? Anyone?
 
2011-02-17 05:04:18 PM  
I have a 4GB Zune I got off Woot.

I like it for what it is. In some ways I like it more than the iPod (used to have a 8GB nano, currently have a 160GB Classic) and iTunes combo.

I don't think the Zune hate was deserved. Was it an iPod killer? HAHAHAHAHAHA... no. Was it crap? Also no.
 
2011-02-17 05:12:25 PM  

akula: I have a 4GB Zune I got off Woot.

I like it for what it is. In some ways I like it more than the iPod (used to have a 8GB nano, currently have a 160GB Classic) and iTunes combo.

I don't think the Zune hate was deserved. Was it an iPod killer? HAHAHAHAHAHA... no. Was it crap? Also no.


It's also a Hacker's Wet Dream. There's enough room on the board and in the case for a lot of modifications, so much so that you can buy Chinese replacement cases for dirt.

/TV Out w/ 2 USB adapters to use controllers? Yes, PLEASE.
//MAME junkie From Hell.
 
2011-02-17 05:13:28 PM  
I have a 30GB I got off Woot. Hasn't broken in four years and had FM radio (which the iPod of the time didn't). The interface update two years back was a nice improvement.

Zune's media center is significantly less of a resource hog than iTunes, so it has that going for it.
 
2011-02-17 05:17:00 PM  
I saw someone listening to a Sony portable CD player on the bus last week and yet I have yet to see a Zune in the wild.
 
2011-02-17 05:20:12 PM  
I have an iPod and I farking hate being tethered to iTunes. I hardly use it anymore. I would rather have a Zune than an iPod, but what I would like most is non-stop Pandora in my car.
 
2011-02-17 05:20:46 PM  
I bought a 120 gig Zune for $100 at Target when they were phasing the old ones out in favor of the HD ones. I already had a 30 gig one and gave it to a friend who enjoys it. I never understood the hate for the Zune. I've never had a problem with one and even at full price seem to be a better value than the ipod.
 
2011-02-17 05:21:23 PM  

RsquaredW: I have a 30GB I got off Woot. Hasn't broken in four years and had FM radio (which the iPod of the time didn't). The interface update two years back was a nice improvement.

Zune's media center is significantly less of a resource hog than iTunes, so it has that going for it.


Yeah the actual Zune software for the computer is many times better than iTunes. The Zune itself is an ugly but near indestructible brick. If MS had marketed it better and not dicked around with those MS points, Zune might have actually made something out of itself. Its subscription plan of 10 songs a month and unlimited streaming (included checkout to your devices) for $14.99 was also a really good deal.
 
2011-02-17 05:30:31 PM  
I like both of my Zunes. I have had one for 4 years or so now and I got an HD one a year ago and I have yet to have a problem with either of them. Unlike the iPod I had, which broke after a little more than a year (battery ate shiat).

Buying music through the Zune software sucks, but I prefer Amazon anyway.
 
2011-02-17 05:36:43 PM  

fn129: Wow... who even has a Zune? Anyone?


All I need is a Zune HD to finish off my collection of Zune capable devices:

-Zune 8gig
-Zune 120gig (Gears of War special edition)
-KIN 1
-Samsung Focus, Windows Phone 7
-Xbox 360 (also a Zune device now)

I'm not sure why the blogosphere is saying that zune is dead. It's a major component of the last Xbox upgrade, and recently the software took up a fair share of the video market against iTunes (new window).
 
2011-02-17 05:40:07 PM  
Losing my Zune (1st generation) was my most heartbreaking experience. I had it for three years before someone stole it right out from under me. I have never held an ipod longer than 6 months before it broke, crashed, or otherwise failed. My 30 gig ipod just epically failed, all my nanos felt like cheap plastic and that's all they were, i broke one with a case on it. WITH A CASE ON IT MAN.

/Zune 1st generation was as good as it got.
 
2011-02-17 05:41:17 PM  
I have one, also from woot. Cannot remember size.
 
2011-02-17 05:45:09 PM  
Zunes are pretty decent. Arguably as good or better than an equivalent iPod depending on what you want out of it. Not to say that they won't be phased out, but they are definately underappreciated.
 
2011-02-17 05:52:36 PM  
Even if the Zune brand dies it lives on in WP7 and Xbox
 
2011-02-17 05:53:36 PM  
Zune::Ipod as PSP::NDS
 
2011-02-17 05:54:15 PM  

Blind_Io: I have an iPod and I farking hate being tethered to iTunes. I hardly use it anymore. I would rather have a Zune than an iPod, but what I would like most is non-stop Pandora in my car.


Pandora works great through my iPhone to my stereo in the car.
 
2011-02-17 06:13:30 PM  
The Zune is a good music player with a nice GUI. The Zune Pass is the best music subscription available. The Zune software isn't half bad. It beats the iPod in 2 of 3 and (imho) meets in the other one.

/Sansa fan, personally
//wtf no Ogg in the Zune or iPod, costs nothing to implement
 
2011-02-17 06:40:53 PM  
Well, maybe M$ could take a hint from Apple and build a Zune Touch device that uses the Windows Mobile 7 OS. Or perhaps port the Zune interface to WM7 and hand that out for free, if they aren't already.

It's just an idea, but maybe M$ is getting out of the PMP hardware market and they could still make good money providing the Zune Marketplace I've seen some of you praise.
 
2011-02-17 06:41:51 PM  

MrSteve007: fn129: Wow... who even has a Zune? Anyone?

All I need is a Zune HD to finish off my collection of Zune capable devices:

-Zune 8gig
-Zune 120gig (Gears of War special edition)
-KIN 1
-Samsung Focus, Windows Phone 7
-Xbox 360 (also a Zune device now)

I'm not sure why the blogosphere is saying that zune is dead. It's a major component of the last Xbox upgrade, and recently the software took up a fair share of the video market against iTunes (new window).



According to TFA, the Zune brand may be discontinued, but the service will probably continue in some form. Xbox Music or Windows Live Music, maybe? I could also see it being combined with Nokia's Ovi Music service in some fashion, with a new name for the combined service.

I do wonder if the stand alone Zune devices are going to be discontinued, however. I could see that happening as smartphones become the primary portable media devices for most people. For the next touchscreen Zune, they'll have to basically release a Windows Phone 7 device without a phone to compete against the iPod Touch.
 
2011-02-17 07:26:23 PM  
I saw one once. I knew it immediately from that oops-brown color.
 
2011-02-17 07:28:51 PM  
According to Zune's Facebook page, the Zune fans have has nothing to worry about:

FTFTFA
 
2011-02-17 07:34:15 PM  

RsquaredW: Zune's media center is significantly less of a resource hog than iTunes, so it has that going for it.


It's not even that iTunes is a resource hog - it just runs like shiat on Windows. In task manager it never shows as using any obscene amounts of RAM or processor cycles. It just plain doesn't work.

Something sucks when a title that was ported some 8 years ago and has undergone many revisions STILL runs like a turd in loafers. I don't get it and gave up in 2009 or so, for good. If it won't run well on a quad-core desktop, there's not much point in hoping for it to get better.

Ps: I have a larger library, and that is often a culprit. But that still leaves the question of why iTunes will choke on 25k songs but Winamp and Mediamonkey handle it like a champ. And both the latter play flac natively.
 
2011-02-17 07:39:26 PM  

inthrees: I saw one once. I knew it immediately from that oops-brown color.


The first (oops brown) Zune was a joke. It was also many years ago. The modern ones are actually really elegant. The UI is sleek and the units are physically attractive. Most also agree that it has superior sound quality than any of the iPods.

I don't own a Zune, or want one, but I do think it's unfair to bring up a nearly five year-old model. :P
 
2011-02-17 07:40:36 PM  
The Zune Zucks!
 
2011-02-17 08:00:51 PM  
I have an 80 gb Zune with a connector for my car. Wired, not that shiatty wireless FM transmitter thing. It's nice to have 12k songs to choose from while driving, in a device that I have owned going on three years now. It pretty much never leaves my car and I live in Dallas where it gets freakin HOT. Never had a problem.
 
2011-02-17 08:22:58 PM  
But I was told by many Farkers that the Zune was far superior to the iPod and that the iPod would be gone soon.

Is anyone tracking how many failures microsoft has had in the last 10 years, they're wracking up some impressive failures.
 
2011-02-17 08:38:27 PM  
Zune is what got me to buy a Samsung Focus windows phone. I loved my Zune and liked the smartphone aspects of a iPhone 3gs, but got tired of having two things to keep on chargers and remember when going to work. New windows phones came out, I saw it had Zune and Office support, I was sold. I hadn't counted on Samsung making a piece of shiat though and have to be careful that the phone charges overnight. Still, love the Zune software and still carry my Zune 80gb brick when riding or at the gym.
 
2011-02-17 08:42:45 PM  
I have the oops-brown first generation 4 GB Zune. Bought it when it first came out and have never looked back. Even when someone gave me an iPod for free, I didn't change my mind. The iPod has worse sound quality (when hooked up to headphones or jacked to my surround sound system at home) and the software is shiat.

Oh, and the Zune pass is the best music deal that ever was. I have had it for about 3-4 years now and love it.
 
2011-02-17 08:50:32 PM  
$40 4GB Sansa Clip and a $50 16GB microSDHD card.

There, a tiny, solid state, excellent MP3 player for $90 with more storage and more formats playable (it even plays flac) than Apple and Microsoft's pieces of crap, at a fraction of the price. You're welcome.

/ Durable as fark, too; Mine survived the washing machine.
 
2011-02-17 09:00:12 PM  
I don't care.

Shoulda typed "breakin' " instead of "Breaking". Then, these would be relevant.

ken-jennings.com

thestockmasters.com
 
2011-02-17 09:05:58 PM  

Gato Mono: But I was told by many Farkers that the Zune was far superior to the iPod and that the iPod would be gone soon.

Is anyone tracking how many failures microsoft has had in the last 10 years, they're wracking up some impressive failures.



Pretty sure there are a bunch of Applephiliacs who know them well and like to gloat at them whenever possible.

I use the Zune software on Xbox Live, mainly for music videos. Not a terrible interface, but they probably could've just used the existing music marketplace as opposed to a mandatory system update that installs Zune. But they probably want to get the poor brand name out there.

And ever since I bought an 8 gig microSD my phone has been my MP3 player, never fails. And you can even listen when you forget your headphones at home. Only thing I can find wrong with it is the random algorithm plays the same set of songs when on shuffle, but then again I usually play my music by album.
 
2011-02-17 09:14:34 PM  
What's an iPod?
 
2011-02-17 09:39:19 PM  

dickfreckle: RsquaredW: Zune's media center is significantly less of a resource hog than iTunes, so it has that going for it.

It's not even that iTunes is a resource hog - it just runs like shiat on Windows. In task manager it never shows as using any obscene amounts of RAM or processor cycles. It just plain doesn't work.

Something sucks when a title that was ported some 8 years ago and has undergone many revisions STILL runs like a turd in loafers. I don't get it and gave up in 2009 or so, for good. If it won't run well on a quad-core desktop, there's not much point in hoping for it to get better.

Ps: I have a larger library, and that is often a culprit. But that still leaves the question of why iTunes will choke on 25k songs but Winamp and Mediamonkey handle it like a champ. And both the latter play flac natively.


It's not the port. iTunes sucks on OSX too.
 
2011-02-17 09:39:37 PM  

fallingcow: $40 4GB Sansa Clip and a $50 16GB microSDHD card.

There, a tiny, solid state, excellent MP3 player for $90 with more storage and more formats playable (it even plays flac) than Apple and Microsoft's pieces of crap, at a fraction of the price. You're welcome.

/ Durable as fark, too; Mine survived the washing machine.


Can you create play lists? Sounds pretty neat if it can really play FLAC. I still have my first generation Zune. I got it for $150 when it came out, had the lowest gigs per dollar ratio at the time. I've dropped the thing many a time (in a cheap plastic case) and it still works. The only thing I dislike is the like of FLAC compatibility. Don't care much for Zune software, but I endure.
 
2011-02-17 10:06:31 PM  
Sandisk Sansa + rockbox for me.

/hmm, do I own any hardware that I haven't installed FOSS firmware on or hacked in some way?

/Maybe my panasonic landline cordless phones.

/off to google to search for 'panasonic cordless phone +hack'
 
2011-02-17 10:15:51 PM  

wildcardjack: Well, maybe M$ could take a hint from Apple and build a Zune Touch device that uses the Windows Mobile 7 OS. Or perhaps port the Zune interface to WM7 and hand that out for free, if they aren't already.

It's just an idea, but maybe M$ is getting out of the PMP hardware market and they could still make good money providing the Zune Marketplace I've seen some of you praise.

Yes they already do with WP7 phones
 
2011-02-17 10:20:13 PM  

dickfreckle: inthrees: I saw one once. I knew it immediately from that oops-brown color.

The first (oops brown) Zune was a joke. It was also many years ago. The modern ones are actually really elegant. The UI is sleek and the units are physically attractive. Most also agree that it has superior sound quality than any of the iPods.

I don't own a Zune, or want one, but I do think it's unfair to bring up a nearly five year-old model. :P


Point taken, but in my defense: "They make different models after the oops-brown one?"

I had no idea.

Also re the post above yours about itunes and how it runs on windows, i.e. poorly - holy shiat yes it does. Plus it's gotta be one of the most infuriating pieces of software I've ever used. My buddy has an ipod touch, so that's my exposure, and it's enough to make me fairly adamant about never buying an apple product.
 
2011-02-17 10:52:29 PM  
Had an original iPod Nano, hated iTunes from day 1, battery stopped taking a charge about 2 years from when I paid $150 for a freaking 2gb mp3 player. Bought a refurbed Sansa Clip, 2gb, for $15... drag & drop music onto the damn thing and go. Best mp3 player I've owned, and plenty of room for gym music... speaking of, I need to get there in the next 26 minutes.
 
2011-02-17 11:08:33 PM  

ericbo84: Had an original iPod Nano, hated iTunes from day 1, battery stopped taking a charge about 2 years from when I paid $150 for a freaking 2gb mp3 player. Bought a refurbed Sansa Clip, 2gb, for $15... drag & drop music onto the damn thing and go. Best mp3 player I've owned, and plenty of room for gym music... speaking of, I need to get there in the next 26 minutes.


Which you will accomplish in your BMW that you were only able to afford after swearing off iPods in favor of players that are actually consumer friendly and don't cost as much as a small car payment.

So gym on, good sir!
 
2011-02-17 11:18:44 PM  

Gato Mono: But I was told by many Farkers that the Zune was far superior to the iPod and that the iPod would be gone soon.


No one ever said that it would kill the iPod. You're reaching for an insult. Without doubt some Farkers voiced their opinion of the device as being superior, but no one with a fourth grader's grasp of market trends ever claimed that the Zune was going to defeat the iPod.
 
2011-02-17 11:29:49 PM  

ericbo84: Had an original iPod Nano, hated iTunes from day 1, battery stopped taking a charge about 2 years from when I paid $150 for a freaking 2gb mp3 player. Bought a refurbed Sansa Clip, 2gb, for $15... drag & drop music onto the damn thing and go. Best mp3 player I've owned, and plenty of room for gym music... speaking of, I need to get there in the next 26 minutes.


inthrees: Which you will accomplish in your BMW that you were only able to afford after swearing off iPods in favor of players that are actually consumer friendly and don't cost as much as a small car payment.So gym on, good sir!


I have a Clip+ because I needed a cheaper flash unit that could be used on a motorcycle (lots of abuse and constant vibration). At first I got it because it was affordable and easy to replace if damaged, but since owning I've realized that Sansa makes the friendliest players around. Expandable memory via cheap microSD? Yup. A superior DAC chip (the thing that actually makes audio) even compared to more expensive models? Yes! Drag 'n drop just like using Explorer! :) Reliance on software? No! I also like that all of their players can do FLAC and ogg vorbis out-of-box (I like ogg because I can get superior sound at a lower bitrate than mp3).

All in all Sansas are just badass. Oh, and the Clip is like $25-$50, depending on size and retailer!

/tremendous fan!
 
2011-02-17 11:57:37 PM  
Zune's are fine for people who care more about listening to music than what the hipsters down at the coffee shop think of you.
 
2011-02-17 11:58:53 PM  
Happy with my Tungsten.
 
2011-02-18 12:02:05 AM  
I bought a Zune some years ago when they were still being considered an "iPod fighter". I was surprised and frustrated when I found out I couldn't use Microsoft Windows Media Player to just drag and drop songs / movies onto the device. No, I had to use a specialized Zune Software.

That was my one gripe with Zune. I hate adding (more) bloatware to my computer, and it shouldn't be an unreasonable expectation that a MS hardware designed for media would work with MS software designed for media.
 
2011-02-18 12:48:44 AM  

fn129: Wow... who even has a Zune? Anyone?


I have a 30 gig Zune. I found it underneath a tree, while walking my g/f to work early one morning. I love it, specially for the price. Considering I live on the edge of Crackville, I assumed it came from someone's car.
 
2011-02-18 12:55:29 AM  
Was offered a 32gig zune a couple of weeks back. Turned it down because I couldn't put rockbox on it.
 
2011-02-18 01:08:40 AM  
I love the Zune software and subscription service so much that when they finally offered to let you subscribe a year a time a promptly put my money down. The software player is great imho, also the web based player, and the xBox player. I don't own a Zune player as mobile music doesn't really fit into my lifestyle currently (I wish I had it years ago for that hour long train commute.) Every month I use my credits to purchase my favorite album from that month.

It's great for parties where you have someone bring up an album or something and guess what, you have it. The general reaction from people is "Oh cool what's that?" People get turned off by the fee when I explain how it works, but usually after me pulling up request after request for them they begin to see the value in it. I've made 2 converts who are happy with the purchase. While Zune may not have the popularity of the iPod I think that customer satisfaction is higher.

Also I get to stay more on top of current releases or finding up and coming artists long before they hit the radio.
 
2011-02-18 01:33:16 AM  
I am, even as we speak, in the process of stripping the DRM off my iTunes music so I can transfer it to my new Zune HD. I bought it because I prefer the Zune computer library over iTunes, and after playing around with it I even like the interface on the device better than an iPod.
 
2011-02-18 01:50:08 AM  
I chose a Zune HD because of iTunes and my wife chose an Ipod touch. I will admit that the Ipod is more polished and has more apps (ie has apps); however the iPod is bigger, heavier, and has shorter battery life in my hands. My wife dislikes iTunes and groans every time there is an update because she has lost all of her data once.
In short, both devices have their pros and cons. Just chose the one that is right for you and quit pretending that owning either device makes you more/less cool.
 
2011-02-18 02:02:07 AM  

Ensoph42: People get turned off by the fee when I explain how it works, but usually after me pulling up request after request for them they begin to see the value in it.


$10 or $15 a month for a music fan to have unlimited access to a huge library is a FAR better value than most of us get out our cable TV packages. Yet most have cable but balk at the idea of paying for music access.

If you told a music fan in 1995 that for only $15 they could use an entire record store's inventory like a library, all month every month, and for as long as you wanted, people would have shiat themselves in glee. For some reason, the mentality of a good value hasn't carried over to the digital age where a lot of people just assume everything should be free.

It really is a good deal and I'm neither a fanboy nor a subscriber.
 
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