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(Canoe)   Doctors now say Steve Jobs has about six weeks left on his operating system   ( cnews.canoe.ca) divider line
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2011-02-17 10:45:22 AM  

sparkeyjames: I love


95% mortality rate in 5 years. It's more odd the man is still alive than the idea he could die soon.
 
2011-02-17 10:45:28 AM  
Well at least he got that new house.
 
2011-02-17 10:47:49 AM  

octopied: Great_Milenko: Cerebral Knievel: I'm sorry, but to me, putting a new liver into somebody with pancreatic cancer seems like trying to take a gerbil to the vet.
If you got it, you are going to die. Quickly. Trying to live through it is more cowardly then accepting your fate. All you are doing is prolonging your own and your families suffering.

Agreed. Livers should be transplanted only into healthy people.


or at least people with a fighting chance. Pancreatic cancer has only about a 3% survival rate, at that's only if they catch it early.


Thank you for backing up my point.
If he was using his wealth and celibrity to promote awareness and fund research, that would be something completly diffrent. This just stinks of a man despertly clinging out of stock options and arrogence.
I lost my stepfather to pancriatic cancer. The whipple procedure might have helped if he didn't hadn't caught MRSA during the operation.
The man was dead withen three months of diagnosis. Almost a year to the day we lost our sister to aggresive breast cancer.
The shiat is ugly and life changing for everyone envolved.
 
2011-02-17 10:48:18 AM  

JohnBigBootay:
95% mortality rate in 5 years. It's more odd the man is still alive than the idea he could die soon.


didn't read the thread, but yeah--pancreatic cancer. I'm surprised he's still with us at all. I think that one is supposed to be a real baddie.
 
2011-02-17 10:49:09 AM  
Thanks to Weird Al, I can't hear the word "pancreas" without thinking about Oreo cookies, and now I'm frigging hungry..,
 
2011-02-17 10:49:51 AM  
i1135.photobucket.com
 
2011-02-17 10:51:13 AM  

Great_Milenko: RonEdwards: Great_Milenko: Cerebral Knievel: I'm sorry, but to me, putting a new liver into somebody with pancreatic cancer seems like trying to take a gerbil to the vet.
If you got it, you are going to die. Quickly. Trying to live through it is more cowardly then accepting your fate. All you are doing is prolonging your own and your families suffering.

Agreed. Livers should be transplanted only into healthy people.

The natural instinct of any animal is to survive. Following your instincts is not cowardly, mr. tough guy.

I see you are unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm.


I quoted for the other guy, I just didn't want to scroll up to his comment again. I am sure you are familiar with the concept of laziness. It is my forte.
 
2011-02-17 10:54:11 AM  

ubersexy: There is only ONE source for this garbage. The discredited gossip rag tabloid, The National Enquirer.

Anyone who believes "news" from tabloid rags is a complete idiot


Yeah, they totally blew that call about John Edwards' having a love child with his kitty-on-the-side.
 
2011-02-17 10:55:08 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: If he was using his wealth and celibrity to promote awareness and fund research, that would be something completly diffrent. This just stinks of a man despertly clinging out of stock options and arrogence.


Your comment makes absolutely no sense. There is no proof that Jobs bucked the system. He did take advantage of rules in one state and relocated there. But anyone can do that.
 
2011-02-17 10:56:28 AM  

pnu7b4ss311: William Shakesbeer: cxjohn: Rumors. Not really hurting sales now are they?

The consumer tech giant sold a record 4.13 million Macs during its recent fiscal first quarter, highlighting the technology's booming popularity. "At 23.5%, Mac shipment growth in December was a multiple of the PC market's growth rate of just 3.4%.

Yeah, 7x the rate of overall PC sales. Remove the sales of Macs, and the overall rate of PC sales would be pretty close to zero.

That's sales GROWTH, not net sales. Not saying Apple isn't doing well, but you seem to have grossly misunderstood that statistic; the PC market is so much larger to begin with, that 3.4% growth probably translates into far more net units than Mac's 23.5.

I wonder if that statistic also accounts for the people who buy parts separately and build their own boxes. Seems like it would be harder to track.


I haven't brought a desktop PC in over a decade, always just rebuilding so I'd be one of those "untrackables".
 
2011-02-17 10:57:23 AM  

Cybernetic: allthesametome: If people being able to buy organs for tranplant surprises you, I may envy your naivte.

Mickey Mantle unavailable for comment.


or Carroll Shelby
 
2011-02-17 10:57:24 AM  
i1135.photobucket.com
 
2011-02-17 10:58:06 AM  
The big question is whether or not he's going to leave all his AAPL stock to Walter Bishop.
 
2011-02-17 10:58:26 AM  

shirtsbyeric: At least we can be sure it's not a virus.


Well it could have been a rootkit. Those can be worse!
 
2011-02-17 11:06:08 AM  

profplump: No matter how much you want to hate rich people, there's no good reason to believe that's true. Steve flew out to pick up a liver that local transplant committee decided would be best used in Steve.


I agree.

His wealth gave him an advantage, in that he could be ready to fly anywhere at a moment's notice if a match happened. But it's not as if he bribed some doc to bump another off the list. I don't like Steve's policies, but he was no less worthy to get a transplant. He probably took better care of it then some.

If the complaining farker wants to put together a foundation that gives every joe on the list a chance to fly out on a private jet to an available organ...more power to them.
 
2011-02-17 11:06:39 AM  

epoc_tnac:
Besides, you US farkers believe every bullshiat story about Britain you read in the daily fail, so why should this be any difference?



I beg to different with you, sir. I get my British news from The Sun!
 
2011-02-17 11:07:06 AM  
SOON he will be joining all those in the clouds....
www.jolicloud.com
 
2011-02-17 11:10:16 AM  

cryinoutloud: I think that one is supposed to be a real baddie.


The form he had before was of the rarer curable type, or I guess as is being proved -- the type that can go into remission and come back. Either way he did luck out in a big way twice, but sadly his genetics seem set against him.

Besides, in techno terms I want Apple (in Jobs' incarnation) around. They've pushed Microsoft into actual innovation and been a good foil for Google. They're kind of the enemy you need around to make you do better.
 
2011-02-17 11:10:43 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Like others have said, hate Apple, but would not wish pancreatic cancer on anyone. Not even Nancy Pelosi... well maybe Nancy... nope, not even her. It's close though.


Bin Laden, Mullah Omar, guy who mailed the anthrax letters, rapists,
child molesters, murderers.

Otherwise, yeah, no one.
 
2011-02-17 11:10:51 AM  
Cylon-human hybrid baby blood cured one person's cancer.

Just sayin'

media.battlestarwiki.org

/hot linked
 
2011-02-17 11:11:25 AM  
knowyourmeme.com

Is it so hard to understand the wordings typed by these here hands?

Admit: could have used a comma. So what.
 
2011-02-17 11:13:12 AM  

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Jonathon Ives comes off as the San Francisco people portrayed in SouthPark that just sniff their own farts all day and talk about being "progressive".


You know how I know you are clueless?
 
2011-02-17 11:15:36 AM  
Im just hoping Steve goes all Matthew Sobol on everyone's ass when he dies.
 
2011-02-17 11:16:55 AM  
Wealth gives you a lot of advantages in health care, but for all the haters out there, organ donation doesn't fall under that list.
 
2011-02-17 11:17:19 AM  
I hope he gets to build his cool house before he dies.

How many billionaires build a 4500sqft zero emission home to live in, considering the monstrosities that they usually build.

It's quite a contrast considering he lives right next to Larry Ellison.
 
2011-02-17 11:19:21 AM  
Hope he doesn't come back as Flash content.
 
2011-02-17 11:20:35 AM  

austin_millbarge: Im just hoping Steve goes all Matthew Sobol on everyone's ass when he dies.


THIS! Still waiting for the movie.
 
2011-02-17 11:23:31 AM  

bravian: Cerebral Knievel: If he was using his wealth and celibrity to promote awareness and fund research, that would be something completly diffrent. This just stinks of a man despertly clinging out of stock options and arrogence.

Your comment makes absolutely no sense. There is no proof that Jobs bucked the system. He did take advantage of rules in one state and relocated there. But anyone can do that.


Oh, I don't disagree with you, or anyone about that. I also think the argument is. Irrelivant at this point. And it wasn't the focus anymore of my comment.
The arrogence part is him being so terrified of his own mortality that he would. Don't blame him either, I dare say I would do the same if it was me.
The stock options part is that is the head of a company that revolves around his personality, he owes it to his stock holders to not go off and die.
However, I think he has missed and incredible oppurtnity to help and save others. He could have made his fight very public. I think that could also have helped apples image, and make pancriatic cancer sexy enough to get the funding and research it deserves.
 
2011-02-17 11:24:33 AM  

Marine1: Bin Laden, Mullah Omar, guy who mailed the anthrax letters, rapists,
child molesters, murderers.

Otherwise, yeah, no one.


Nope, I just wish that category of people a painless death. Either oblivion or punishment awaits them. Why indulge in torture fantasies for them? I'm not above wishing them removed from the game of life, but nah if a death miracle is going to happen then let it be merciful. The contrast to their conduct would be a good example.
 
2011-02-17 11:27:36 AM  

WienerButt: organ donation doesn't fall under that list.


Not quite true. Transplant lists across the country allow you to register on them as long as you have the means of getting to the location pronto. A private jet is certainly a huge advantage in that regard.

I remember looking into the matter when that whole discussion took place. Steve didn't buy his way into a liver, but his wealth allowed him to get many more chances than the average waiting list recipient.
 
2011-02-17 11:30:56 AM  
img257.imageshack.us

who needs a body?
 
2011-02-17 11:33:05 AM  

austin_millbarge: Im just hoping Steve goes all Matthew Sobol on everyone's ass when he dies.


Or says, "It was all for the lulz, Windows is better for more tasks."
 
2011-02-17 11:34:16 AM  

ubersexy: There is only ONE source for this garbage. The discredited gossip rag tabloid, The National Enquirer. The other "source" cited is radaronline.com, which is also owned be The National Enquirer. Look at the privacy policy page on:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/privacy/

quoting from above

"Welcome to www.nationalenquirer.com Internet news and media websites offered by connection with American Media, Inc., Weider Publications LLC, and Radar Online LLC (collectively, the "Website", "we", "us" or "our"). "

Anyone who believes "news" from tabloid rags is a complete idiot. A complete and total farking idiot. I suggest all of you believing this crap hold hands with an adult when you cross the street. There are a lot of brain dead 'Apple Haters' out there who love to spread idiotic crap to the gullible.


Best investigative reporting on the planet.

/Too late?
 
2011-02-17 11:36:13 AM  
Pancreatic cancer is serious business.

My son's currently hospitalized for complications from diabetes+celiac+a few other things, and they noticed that one of the lab draws indicated, to quote a doctor: "evidence of pancreatitis.. or something else."

The tone of voice that guy used when he said something else?
It was chilling.
I do appreciate that he didn't want to bring up the specter of possible cancer... but the sudden swarm of doctors that showed up about 20 feet away at the nurse's station, and the *rapt* attention they all paid as a lab tech came in for more labs, etc.? Yeah, that led me to believe they were trying to rule things out.

So, TL;DR: Pancreatic cancer's a cold heartless biatch, but medical professionals hate her too.
 
2011-02-17 11:43:54 AM  
www.foundersatwork.com

Maybe the guy on the right has been secretly learning the ropes for a few years for when the guy on the left can't do it anymore?

If skinny = sickly, then this guy is good for years to come.

www.allnewsmac.com
 
2011-02-17 11:45:29 AM  

propasaurus: And by "Doctors" Subby means "that one guy who made a diagnosis based on pictures The National Enquirer showed him."

/still, sad


This

Even the doctors that actually examine the patient can be wildly off when they estimate how much time a person has. I'm in a support group with a family member that has cancer and there are people in it that have been alive for years after being told they had maybe 6 months left.

This doctor deserves a swift kick in the nads for even giving an estimate based on a picture.
 
2011-02-17 11:46:03 AM  
I've heard that the economy has been tough on Jobs.
 
2011-02-17 11:46:44 AM  

The_Fuzz: My Wife had liver cancer and got a transplant, so I'm getting a real kick . . .

Seriously though, for those complaining that he got a transplant with cancer, and its against the rules . . .there are rules, but they are more of guidelines. My Wife wouldn't have gotten a transplant, but the cancer seamed isolated to her liver. They made damned sure of that, spent a year biopsying ever farkin lymph node in her body. Since Jobs had a procedure to remove that tumour, and it was a neuroendicrine tumour, which may not act in the same way a typical caner spreads, I can see a case where they would make an exception to the rule. And it would be a well educated and reasoned exception. Transplants in patients with active cancer typical result in death within the first year, since a suppressed immune system allows for cancer spread, again, in a typical cancer.

Beyond that, a certain type of anti-rejection medication is also a known neuroendicrine tumour suppressor, so you get protection from the cancer spreading via the required anti-rejection meds. I'm no expert on Steve's case specifically, but it is similar to my Wife's, and I could probably write medical journal with the information I've had to acquire.

As far as the jumping the waiting list thing, ya he gamed the system, in a way only the rich could do. But I don't doubt that he was the best candidate for receiving the liver in the place he got it. They have a very thorough system of monitoring conditions, and placing patients in the proper spot on the waiting list. Usually when you get the transplant you are weeks away from death. Its the only way to get on the top of the list.People die when there are no available organs in that final period.

I am also VERY happy we live in Canada, because my Wife would not have made it in the states. I don't have nearly enough money.

Oh and please SIGN YOUR DONOR CARD!!!!


Not remotely the same. Your wife had something wrong with her existing liver and that was it. Steve Jobs took experimental meds to treat his pancreatic cancer and those meds destroyed his liver. He still had pancreatic cancer. Receiving that organ only helped prolong his life a little bit, while your wife will likely get to enjoy the rest of her life with you.
I am sure that when Steve started the treatment he was told that it would likely destroy his liver, but not to worry about it because he is rich and can get another one without any problems. That is just wrong. There are not enough transplantable organs out there for them to be used as spares for someone else's comprehensive chemo plan. The otherwise healthy and young get first dibs - always. That system helped save your wife's life. I would think that you of all people would be furious at Steve Jobs for doing this because it could just as easily have been the liver your wife was waiting for that he took.

/has signed on as a donor since I legally could
//Not letting Cleese into my house...just in case
 
2011-02-17 11:55:30 AM  

Xcott: Steve Jobs reportedly 'close to terminal'


Pfft, not since the 80s, he hasn't.
 
2011-02-17 11:56:32 AM  

madgonad:
Not remotely the same. Your wife had something wrong with her existing liver and that was it. Steve Jobs took experimental meds to treat his pancreatic cancer and those meds destroyed his liver. He still had pancreatic cancer. Receiving that organ only helped prolong his life a little bit, while your wife will likely get to enjoy the rest of her life with you.
I am sure that when Steve started the treatment he was told that it would likely destroy his liver, but not to worry about it because he is rich and can get another one without any problems. That is just wrong. There are not enough transplantable organs out there for them to be used as spares for someone else's comprehensive chemo plan. The otherwise healthy and young get first dibs - always. That system helped save your wife's life. I would think that you of all people would be furious at Steve Jobs for doing this because it could just as easily have been the liver your wife was waiting for that he took.

/has signed on as a donor since I legally could
//Not letting Cleese into my house...just in case


Its actually very similar. I don't know the details, but the assumption is that his cancer spread from his pancreas to his liver, thus requiring a transplant. The spread probably occurred either during the pancreatic surgery or before.

My Wife Had a tumour removed form her neck 7 years before, and, though not confirmed, some of those cancer cells ended up in her liver causing cancer there. It is exceedingly rare. In the case of her cancer, there are 8 other known cases world wide of spread to an organ, an only one other to the liver. She still has a suspicious "tumour" on her spine, but it was biopsied and came back negative. She still technically has cancer, and it can come back any time since it is genetic. But the transplant team thought that she would be better off with a transplant, and it could extend her life, even if not for a long time. I suspect the same decision was made in Jobs' case. Might someone else live longer with a new liver? Possibly, but they might also decided to take up drinking again and be dead in a year. Doctors don't know everything, and its although job to decide who is best suited to an organ, and it doesn't entirely revolve around medical issues.

/she has her 1 year liver-versery in 10 days!!!
 
2011-02-17 11:59:09 AM  
Apple will not go down if they lose Jobs. They have been planning for this for at least 6 years.

I'm no Apple fan but they do have a solid direction in the market. Jobs steered them onto the correct course and all they have to do now is follow it.

That's not to say they couldn't drop the ball but it seems unlikely considering the crap they went through and learned when Jobs left the first time.
 
2011-02-17 12:00:47 PM  

improvius: Xcott: Steve Jobs reportedly 'close to terminal'

Pfft, not since the 80s, he hasn't.


O REILLY?
 
2011-02-17 12:01:12 PM  

Ex-Texan: I'm thinking he didn't scroll down far enough.


Why are you still using Tiger?
 
2011-02-17 12:02:07 PM  

vodka: Apple will not go down if they lose Jobs. They have been planning for this for at least 6 years.

I'm no Apple fan but they do have a solid direction in the market. Jobs steered them onto the correct course and all they have to do now is follow it.

That's not to say they couldn't drop the ball but it seems unlikely considering the crap they went through and learned when Jobs left the first time.


The true legacy he'll be leaving behind is Pixar. I could care less about Apple but think of how dreary the last decade or so would have been without Pixar.
 
2011-02-17 12:05:18 PM  
Well, then I hope he gets better soon, in the good way.
 
2011-02-17 12:06:18 PM  
When Jobs is gone, Apple will get by for another 5-10 years by continue to do what they've been doing.

Then they'll hire another John Sculley.
 
2011-02-17 12:06:23 PM  

Scorpinock: Maybe the guy on the right has been secretly learning the ropes for a few years for when the guy on the left can't do it anymore?

If skinny = sickly, then this guy is good for years to come.


Woz never had any interest in the business side, just the nuts and
bolts.

Combine that with him having survived a near-fatal small aircraft
crash that impacted his neuromotor functions, I don't think he's
up to taking over the mantle of techno-hipster prophet.
 
2011-02-17 12:08:19 PM  
I figured there'd be an op for that.
 
2011-02-17 12:09:47 PM  

Latinwolf: StrikitRich: pnu7b4ss311: lol an article about enquirer having reportedly interviewed a doctor who saw photos of Jobs


how is this shiat even news?

It's Fark.

Yea baby


I hope he has the same doctors as OJ. You can't even tell anything happened.
 
2011-02-17 12:11:37 PM  
Let me ask you, are you a betting man? Well, if someone were taking bets on Jobs bout with death, I'd bet everything I own on death. It's a good bet, and the odds are he'll probably die.
 
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