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2011-02-17 09:52:44 AM

cxjohn: Rumors. Not really hurting sales now are they?

The consumer tech giant sold a record 4.13 million Macs during its recent fiscal first quarter, highlighting the technology's booming popularity. "At 23.5%, Mac shipment growth in December was a multiple of the PC market's growth rate of just 3.4%.

Yeah, 7x the rate of overall PC sales. Remove the sales of Macs, and the overall rate of PC sales would be pretty close to zero.


That's sales GROWTH, not net sales. Not saying Apple isn't doing well, but you seem to have grossly misunderstood that statistic; the PC market is so much larger to begin with, that 3.4% growth probably translates into far more net units than Mac's 23.5.
 
2011-02-17 09:53:08 AM
Hope do I safe will Jobs be from cancer which harm him seeks to do, and live long will he to prosper the Apple company further as seeks to continue the evolution of the technology of computers.

/Like Macs. Own a PC.
//Love my iPod.
///Get well, Steve.
 
2011-02-17 09:55:14 AM
Godspeed, Jobs.

I don't agree with everything he has done or some of his methodology in running Apple, but I definitely respect his hard work and his excellent leadership for taking Apple to where it is today.

He's definitely one of the best leaders I've seen at the helm of a fortune 500 company and his passing will be a huge loss for Apple.

I really hope he can pull through and get healthier, but unfortunately it looks like his body can't keep up with his spirit.

That said, if he is going to pass soon, I hope he does so painlessly and gets everything situated with his family and friends.

Jobs, you're a great man and an amazing person -- you may move on to bigger and better places, but the rest of us stuck on Earth 1.0 will forever be better from your inspirational leadership, hard work and dedication to Apple.

Godspeed good man and prayers to you and to your family. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

See you on the flip side, my friend.

/met Jobs once in the late 90's
//hell of a good guy
 
2011-02-17 09:55:21 AM
Do you think he will be buried in a non-traditional round rect coffin? It's more pleasing to the eye.
 
2011-02-17 09:57:08 AM

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: At least we know around what time to start shorting Apple stock. That company's image is so intertwined with Jobs' personality that I can see the stock price taking a larger than ordinary hit compared to a CEO death at another company.


Most of modern societies problems are summed up with this post right here.
 
2011-02-17 09:58:23 AM

GLove88mph: has anyone made the "His coffin will be slim shiny and black, and will be dropped several times if it's carried by AT&T."?


Funny!
 
2011-02-17 09:59:49 AM

Penman: Do you think he will be buried in a non-traditional round rect coffin? It's more pleasing to the eye.


Just imagine the pilgrimage that'll happen at the spot where he'll be buried.
 
2011-02-17 10:01:25 AM

TAOCHOW: Hopefully it is not true, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

But if he does die I wonder if he will come back with, "oh and one more thing"


You're thinking of this guy:
www.tidewater.net
 
2011-02-17 10:01:28 AM

farkeruk: Macs, iPod Nanos and Shuffles are overpriced, though. £870 for a Core 2 Duo laptop compared to £500 for an i3 from Dell.


That's just a question of what you value. My macbook, for example, has had a lot less issues than my previous PC laptops.
 
2011-02-17 10:03:34 AM
dionysusaur: Wasted Pixels: Hell, who would be the WORST possible replacement for Steve Jobs?

Albert Haynesworth?

Can the man just come out and say, "I'm sick" or "I'm not sick"? This speculation shiat is really annoying.
 
2011-02-17 10:04:00 AM
forget a virus my PC got Lupus
 
2011-02-17 10:04:34 AM

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: At least we know around what time to start shorting Apple stock. That company's image is so intertwined with Jobs' personality that I can see the stock price taking a larger than ordinary hit compared to a CEO death at another company.


Apple will go on as a company without Steve Jobs. The stock price has already taken into account Steve Jobs' illness for some time. Sure, it may take a bit of a hit, but it's not going to be astronomical.

On the more human side, I'm not concerned with my stock going down but more so concerned for Jobs as a human and it is my hope that he doesn't suffer. I'm more concerned for his family and close friends because he's a good man and he deserves to go out without the pain and suffering.

Nobody deserves to have to go through that, but life is sometimes harsh and a part of playing in the sandbox we call life is accepting that it isn't always fair and that it can be brutal at times.

But I do believe in a God and I do believe that life is definitely worth living because it gives everyone a chance to learn and grow spiritually.

I *really* hope that he's able to rest and exit without the pain and suffering. I don't give two shiats about the stock price, honestly. Money is great, but in the end, it's love and relationships that we share with others that brings true meaning to life.

Love you Jobs and thanks for your contributions. You've made the world a better place.
 
2011-02-17 10:07:21 AM

docwizz: forget a virus my PC got Lupus


www.babble.com

Thinks your moronic brain has no idea what it's talking about.

/moronic in for appropriate amount of House snark
 
2011-02-17 10:10:28 AM
The home button on my iphone is unresponsive once in a while so I say good riddance.
 
2011-02-17 10:11:19 AM

cxjohn: Yeah, 7x the rate of overall PC sales. Remove the sales of Macs, and the overall rate of PC sales would be pretty close to zero.


Growth != Sales
 
2011-02-17 10:12:05 AM
Tim Cook has done a fine job in Steve's absence.

Steve has also been spotted on the Apple campus several times, so I doubt the veracity of this story.

Just about anything mentioning Apple or Steve Jobs brings the clicks these days.
 
2011-02-17 10:12:07 AM

William Shakesbeer: cxjohn: Rumors. Not really hurting sales now are they?

The consumer tech giant sold a record 4.13 million Macs during its recent fiscal first quarter, highlighting the technology's booming popularity. "At 23.5%, Mac shipment growth in December was a multiple of the PC market's growth rate of just 3.4%.

Yeah, 7x the rate of overall PC sales. Remove the sales of Macs, and the overall rate of PC sales would be pretty close to zero.

That's sales GROWTH, not net sales. Not saying Apple isn't doing well, but you seem to have grossly misunderstood that statistic; the PC market is so much larger to begin with, that 3.4% growth probably translates into far more net units than Mac's 23.5.


I wonder if that statistic also accounts for the people who buy parts separately and build their own boxes. Seems like it would be harder to track.
 
2011-02-17 10:12:49 AM
# shutdown -h 60480

/obscure ?
//then you're not a unix geek
 
2011-02-17 10:13:59 AM
Like others have said, hate Apple, but would not wish pancreatic cancer on anyone. Not even Nancy Pelosi... well maybe Nancy... nope, not even her. It's close though.
 
2011-02-17 10:14:45 AM
My Wife had liver cancer and got a transplant, so I'm getting a real kick . . .

Seriously though, for those complaining that he got a transplant with cancer, and its against the rules . . .there are rules, but they are more of guidelines. My Wife wouldn't have gotten a transplant, but the cancer seamed isolated to her liver. They made damned sure of that, spent a year biopsying ever farkin lymph node in her body. Since Jobs had a procedure to remove that tumour, and it was a neuroendicrine tumour, which may not act in the same way a typical caner spreads, I can see a case where they would make an exception to the rule. And it would be a well educated and reasoned exception. Transplants in patients with active cancer typical result in death within the first year, since a suppressed immune system allows for cancer spread, again, in a typical cancer.

Beyond that, a certain type of anti-rejection medication is also a known neuroendicrine tumour suppressor, so you get protection from the cancer spreading via the required anti-rejection meds. I'm no expert on Steve's case specifically, but it is similar to my Wife's, and I could probably write medical journal with the information I've had to acquire.

As far as the jumping the waiting list thing, ya he gamed the system, in a way only the rich could do. But I don't doubt that he was the best candidate for receiving the liver in the place he got it. They have a very thorough system of monitoring conditions, and placing patients in the proper spot on the waiting list. Usually when you get the transplant you are weeks away from death. Its the only way to get on the top of the list.People die when there are no available organs in that final period.

I am also VERY happy we live in Canada, because my Wife would not have made it in the states. I don't have nearly enough money.

Oh and please SIGN YOUR DONOR CARD!!!!
 
2011-02-17 10:16:31 AM

vice_magnet: Zembla: Not the man's biggest fan... but to go like this I to no man wish.

Yoda?


this
 
2011-02-17 10:17:51 AM
Penman
Do you think he will be buried in a non-traditional round rect coffin? It's more pleasing to the eye.

Doesn't matter as long as it doesn't get wet. If any of the tell tale moisture detect strips inside change color, the warranty's shot to hell.

docwizz
forget a virus my PC got Lupus

Didn't you get the memo? It's NEVER lupus...

Best wishes Mr. Jobs. I have the highest respect for your vision even if I despise how you do business.
 
2011-02-17 10:18:12 AM

profplump: Xai: It's a good thing that that donated liver that could have gone to someong to extend their life by decades ended up giving a very wealthy man a few more months. if that. Isn't america great!

No matter how much you want to hate rich people, there's no good reason to believe that's true. Steve flew out to pick up a liver that local transplant committee decided would be best used in Steve. Presumably if they had a better candidate available for the liver it would have gone to that person and they wouldn't have called Steve.

You can argue that we should work to reduce market segmentation -- to get transplant organs into a national matching and transport system -- but that system does not currently exist. If you want to work to help form that system let me know and I'll lend a hand. I'd also contribute to efforts to standardize matching requirements and prognosis assessments, or to increase the availability of organs.

But if you exclude Steve from your local transplant program just because he's not local you're actually contributing to the market segmentation, not solving it, and the liver would presumably have gone to someone who had a worse prognosis than Steve.

Now if you've got some evidence that he gamed the system in some way -- misrepresented his prognosis, prevented other people from registering, etc. -- then I'll join you in righteous rage. But class rage is not a useful (or arguably even valid) criticism of the health care system in general or organ transplantation in specific.


You are so right
 
2011-02-17 10:18:37 AM
If only Obamacare had come a few years earlier.
 
2011-02-17 10:22:07 AM
Sucks that just his liver is bad, but he has to replace the whole thing.
 
2011-02-17 10:22:33 AM
Thanks for all of the Newtons Steve.
 
2011-02-17 10:22:51 AM

Dinobot: Cerebral Knievel: Great_Milenko: Cerebral Knievel: I'm sorry, but to me, putting a new liver into somebody with pancreatic cancer seems like trying to take a gerbil to the vet.
If you got it, you are going to die. Quickly. Trying to live through it is more cowardly then accepting your fate. All you are doing is prolonging your own and your families suffering.

Agreed. Livers should be transplanted only into healthy people.

Please don't turn my words around. You know exactly what I meen

I agree with this, but well... he prolly donated tons of money and equipment to the hospital that would actually go ahead with the transplant (if they were to find one for him that is)

What makes me sick is that, and i hope this wasn't the case, the liver going to him might have cost someone else's life on that list, possible someone that had been waiting the liver for even longer.


If he "took" a liver from one person who had been waiting longer, he potentially robbed one person of some life. If he paid the hospital enough money that they were able to save 10 lives because of it, he's still doing the right thing in my book.
 
2011-02-17 10:23:39 AM

PDX Ghost Hunter: "Medicine is not a science"


That's another thing I need to get on a tshirt.
 
2011-02-17 10:24:21 AM

Great_Milenko: Cerebral Knievel: I'm sorry, but to me, putting a new liver into somebody with pancreatic cancer seems like trying to take a gerbil to the vet.
If you got it, you are going to die. Quickly. Trying to live through it is more cowardly then accepting your fate. All you are doing is prolonging your own and your families suffering.

Agreed. Livers should be transplanted only into healthy people.


The natural instinct of any animal is to survive. Following your instincts is not cowardly, mr. tough guy.
 
2011-02-17 10:24:52 AM

markie_farkie: And Steve Ballmer will be sweaty, overbearing, and clueless well into his 90s.

Where is the justice in that?


Stay classy iFans.
 
2011-02-17 10:25:48 AM
Steve Jobs reportedly 'close to terminal'

Soon he will escape from this earthly shell.

/You'll hear a ^G when it happens.
 
2011-02-17 10:26:18 AM

pnu7b4ss311: lol an article about enquirer having reportedly interviewed a doctor who saw photos of Jobs


how is this shiat even news?


It provokes the iFans.
 
2011-02-17 10:26:43 AM

SpaceyCat: So diagnoses CAN be made through pictures now? Not just video? Damn, that's pretty good.


And you don't even have to be a member of Congress.
 
2011-02-17 10:27:26 AM

hazeleyedwolff: Dinobot: Cerebral Knievel: Great_Milenko: Cerebral Knievel: I'm sorry, but to me, putting a new liver into somebody with pancreatic cancer seems like trying to take a gerbil to the vet.
If you got it, you are going to die. Quickly. Trying to live through it is more cowardly then accepting your fate. All you are doing is prolonging your own and your families suffering.

Agreed. Livers should be transplanted only into healthy people.

Please don't turn my words around. You know exactly what I meen

I agree with this, but well... he prolly donated tons of money and equipment to the hospital that would actually go ahead with the transplant (if they were to find one for him that is)

What makes me sick is that, and i hope this wasn't the case, the liver going to him might have cost someone else's life on that list, possible someone that had been waiting the liver for even longer.

If he "took" a liver from one person who had been waiting longer, he potentially robbed one person of some life. If he paid the hospital enough money that they were able to save 10 lives because of it, he's still doing the right thing in my book.


Ah, but what if the person he stole the liver from would have gone on to save 100 lives? Or created the next masterpiece? Or killed Bin Laden?

/just messing with you
 
2011-02-17 10:28:55 AM

aninconvenienterection: hazeleyedwolff: Dinobot: Cerebral Knievel: Great_Milenko: Cerebral Knievel: I'm sorry, but to me, putting a new liver into somebody with pancreatic cancer seems like trying to take a gerbil to the vet.
If you got it, you are going to die. Quickly. Trying to live through it is more cowardly then accepting your fate. All you are doing is prolonging your own and your families suffering.

Agreed. Livers should be transplanted only into healthy people.

Please don't turn my words around. You know exactly what I meen

I agree with this, but well... he prolly donated tons of money and equipment to the hospital that would actually go ahead with the transplant (if they were to find one for him that is)

What makes me sick is that, and i hope this wasn't the case, the liver going to him might have cost someone else's life on that list, possible someone that had been waiting the liver for even longer.

If he "took" a liver from one person who had been waiting longer, he potentially robbed one person of some life. If he paid the hospital enough money that they were able to save 10 lives because of it, he's still doing the right thing in my book.

Ah, but what if the person he stole the liver from would have gone on to save 100 lives? Or created the next masterpiece? Or killed Bin Laden?

/just messing with you


"I'm pretty sure he was going to be the next Hitler..."
 
2011-02-17 10:29:23 AM
If the Enquirer says it, it must be true. But surely one of those miracle cancer cures the Enquirer touts every single week will save him.
 
2011-02-17 10:29:49 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-02-17 10:30:33 AM

Archui: How to solve overpopulation and unemployment:
Step 1) Start cult of personality
Step 2) Steve Jobs unveils iDied
Step 3) All the hipsters follow suit

/poor execution
//you get the idea


Much better execution
(new window)
 
2011-02-17 10:30:33 AM

DrBenway: randomjsa: Never owned and never will own an Apple product...

/sad regardless


Never? And I suppose there's some fascinatingly twisty moral reasoning behind this important life decision you've made? They ran over your sister and raped your dog?


Why does it even concern you, are you an iCultist?
 
2011-02-17 10:30:59 AM
rm -rf \home\jobss
 
2011-02-17 10:33:19 AM

chookbillion: vice_magnet: Zembla: Not the man's biggest fan... but to go like this I to no man wish.

Yoda?

Jesus christ people, it's not that hard. Just try reading and thinking! Don't end a sentence with a preposition!

I think. Not really sure about grammar.


ATF Agent Fleming agrees.
/couldn't find a pic
//my google-fu is weak this morning
 
2011-02-17 10:34:51 AM

RonEdwards: Great_Milenko: Cerebral Knievel: I'm sorry, but to me, putting a new liver into somebody with pancreatic cancer seems like trying to take a gerbil to the vet.
If you got it, you are going to die. Quickly. Trying to live through it is more cowardly then accepting your fate. All you are doing is prolonging your own and your families suffering.

Agreed. Livers should be transplanted only into healthy people.

The natural instinct of any animal is to survive. Following your instincts is not cowardly, mr. tough guy.


I see you are unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm.
www.mediabistro.com
 
2011-02-17 10:36:46 AM

ubersexy: There is only ONE source for this garbage. The discredited gossip rag tabloid, The National Enquirer. The other "source" cited is radaronline.com, which is also owned be The National Enquirer. Look at the privacy policy page on:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/privacy/

quoting from above

"Welcome to www.nationalenquirer.com Internet news and media websites offered by connection with American Media, Inc., Weider Publications LLC, and Radar Online LLC (collectively, the "Website", "we", "us" or "our"). "

Anyone who believes "news" from tabloid rags is a complete idiot. A complete and total farking idiot. I suggest all of you believing this crap hold hands with an adult when you cross the street. There are a lot of brain dead 'Apple Haters' out there who love to spread idiotic crap to the gullible.


You sound upset.
 
2011-02-17 10:37:27 AM

William Shakesbeer: THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JERBS!


FTFY
 
2011-02-17 10:37:34 AM
I don't get the liver shortage thing. I'm entirely uneducated on the subject but it would seem there's got to be at least dozens of livers available at any given time.

This is of course based on vague numbers pulled from my ass about the number of organ donors in the US, as well as a foggy idea about blood type and tissue compatibility. My point is, lots of people die every day. A non-zero percentage of them are registered organ donors. It seems there should be plenty of organs to go around. What big thing am I missing here?
 
2011-02-17 10:38:21 AM
So now we're officially just down to temp Jobs?

Damn this economy.
 
2011-02-17 10:41:00 AM

StrikitRich: pnu7b4ss311: lol an article about enquirer having reportedly interviewed a doctor who saw photos of Jobs


how is this shiat even news?

It's Fark.


Yea baby
t1.gstatic.com
 
2011-02-17 10:42:11 AM

sxacho: I don't get the liver shortage thing. I'm entirely uneducated on the subject but it would seem there's got to be at least dozens of livers available at any given time.

This is of course based on vague numbers pulled from my ass about the number of organ donors in the US, as well as a foggy idea about blood type and tissue compatibility. My point is, lots of people die every day. A non-zero percentage of them are registered organ donors. It seems there should be plenty of organs to go around. What big thing am I missing here?


harvesting, transport, preservation, type matching, organ quality, etc etc etc. you cant stockpile organs for later use. there are a whole host of rapidly closing windows that all must converge precisely at the same point and time for an organ to find its way into a new host
 
2011-02-17 10:43:58 AM
If he was really so innovative, you'd think he'd just get a f*cking PANCREAS transplant.
 
2011-02-17 10:44:54 AM

hazeleyedwolff: Dinobot: Cerebral Knievel: Great_Milenko: Cerebral Knievel: I'm sorry, but to me, putting a new liver into somebody with pancreatic cancer seems like trying to take a gerbil to the vet.
If you got it, you are going to die. Quickly. Trying to live through it is more cowardly then accepting your fate. All you are doing is prolonging your own and your families suffering.

Agreed. Livers should be transplanted only into healthy people.

Please don't turn my words around. You know exactly what I meen

I agree with this, but well... he prolly donated tons of money and equipment to the hospital that would actually go ahead with the transplant (if they were to find one for him that is)

What makes me sick is that, and i hope this wasn't the case, the liver going to him might have cost someone else's life on that list, possible someone that had been waiting the liver for even longer.

If he "took" a liver from one person who had been waiting longer, he potentially robbed one person of some life. If he paid the hospital enough money that they were able to save 10 lives because of it, he's still doing the right thing in my book.


Sure, because hospital admins surely would have put that donated money to good use.

Hospital admins are just as bad as insurance people.
 
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