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(The Raw Story)   Fifty-five percent of Americans want socialist death panels   (rawstory.com) divider line 92
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2011-02-16 02:49:07 PM
80% of all health care dollars are spent in the last year of life.
 
2011-02-16 03:18:51 PM
Socialist Death Panels > Capitalist Death Panels
 
2011-02-16 03:20:03 PM

Banned on the Run: 80% of all health care dollars are spent in the last year of life.


Well then we should all die a year early, and we'll be all set.

Case closed.
 
2011-02-16 03:22:58 PM
I think I would be a great evaluator of a person's worthiness of life-saving health care. Where do I apply for these socialist death panels?
 
2011-02-16 03:23:29 PM

Car_Ramrod: Banned on the Run: 80% of all health care dollars are spent in the last year of life.

Well then we should all die a year early, and we'll be all set.

Case closed.


Or we should evaluate whether the obscene amount of money used to wring out an additional year of suffering on our elderly is really a wise idea?
 
2011-02-16 03:24:12 PM
Think of how much money we'd save if we just killed ourselves with dignity when we knew it was time, rather than trying to eke out that last few months.
 
2011-02-16 03:24:52 PM

Serious Black: I think I would be a great evaluator of a person's worthiness of life-saving health care. Where do I apply for these socialist death panels?


You can apply to your nearest private health insurance provider, same thing.
 
2011-02-16 03:25:06 PM
This is an area where emotion completely overwhelms reason.
 
2011-02-16 03:26:12 PM
I read the author's spelling of "meshugeneh," and immediately thought "This was not written by a Jew."
 
2011-02-16 03:26:34 PM
FIX OLD
NO JEWS
 
2011-02-16 03:27:23 PM

LasersHurt: Think of how much money we'd save if we just killed ourselves with dignity when we knew it was time, rather than trying to eke out that last few months.


Screw that. I want every available tube shoved in me. You find an orifice without a tube, stick some shiat in there.
 
2011-02-16 03:29:03 PM
Most end of life care consists of just cranking up the morphine drip anyways.
 
2011-02-16 03:30:36 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Serious Black: I think I would be a great evaluator of a person's worthiness of life-saving health care. Where do I apply for these socialist death panels?

You can apply to your nearest private health insurance provider, same thing.


Meh, those are corporatist death panels. I want to apply to the socialist death panels. The corporatist ones are benevolent organizations that genuinely want to help people get the health care they desperately need, while the socialist ones are pure evil and would rather send a bunch of stealthy ninjas to grandma's house in the middle of the night to kill her.
 
2011-02-16 03:31:45 PM

Cinaed: Socialist Death Panels > Capitalist Death Panels


THIS

/If I'm told I have to die, I'd rather it be to save someone else's life than to save someone else's yacht.
 
2011-02-16 03:33:51 PM

Cinaed: Socialist Death Panels > Capitalist Death Panels


you said Death Panels twice
 
2011-02-16 03:36:17 PM

YouNeedJesus: Cinaed: Socialist Death Panels > Capitalist Death Panels

THIS

 
2011-02-16 03:43:26 PM
So much for having the mandate of the people . . .
 
2011-02-16 03:46:05 PM

heinekenftw: So much for having the mandate of the people . . .


The Republicans support defunding as a strategy, and because only Republicans are Real Americans, they actually do have the mandate of the people.
 
2011-02-16 03:46:30 PM
Obama's so getting another term.
 
2011-02-16 03:48:17 PM

Serious Black: Meh, those are corporatist death panels. I want to apply to the socialist death panels. The corporatist ones are benevolent organizations that genuinely want to help people get the health care they desperately need, while the socialist ones are pure evil and would rather send a bunch of stealthy ninjas to grandma's house in the middle of the night to kill her.


In fairness, my grandma is a rebel daimyo plotting the overthrow of the Son of Heaven while the shogun is battling those garlic-eaters on the mainland. Rather than savage the land with another civil war, the stealthy option might be the best.
 
2011-02-16 03:49:05 PM

heinekenftw: So much for having the mandate of the people . . .


No true American would be for death panels. They represent the true Americans.
 
2011-02-16 03:49:28 PM
i got yer death panel right here.
 
2011-02-16 03:50:11 PM
Everybody gets covered but nobody gets treated - what a plan!
 
2011-02-16 03:50:18 PM

clambam: I read the author's spelling of "meshugeneh," and immediately thought "This was not written by a Jew."


Especially considering that "meshuggeneh" is a noun, meaning "a crazy [thing]". If you want to call something "crazy" (and use an adjective to do it), you'd call it "meshuggah".

// alternatively, if you wanted to find some awesome jazz metal with which to blast your neurons , you'd call that "Meshuggah", too
 
2011-02-16 03:51:43 PM

Cinaed: Socialist Death Panels > Capitalist Death Panels


Came to say this.
 
2011-02-16 03:52:21 PM

Banned on the Run: 80% of all health care dollars are spent in the last year of life.


Also, 100% of bad skiing accidents occur on the last run of the day.

Weirdly, also, lost objects are always found in the last place you look.

/amidoingitrite?
//am sympathetic, though, to real cost/benefit review of healthcare . . . how can that be wrong? The goal has to be helping the most people in the best way, given a FINITE amount of resources
 
2011-02-16 03:53:53 PM
We'll fund wars against terr'ists but not our health care.
 
2011-02-16 03:56:40 PM
Uh, subby, the spineless jackhole democrats cut the end of life planning from the bill.

Though, they DID authorize medicare to adopt the rules anyway a couple months ago.
 
2011-02-16 03:58:07 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Serious Black: I think I would be a great evaluator of a person's worthiness of life-saving health care. Where do I apply for these socialist death panels?

You can apply to your nearest private health insurance provider, same thing.


yeah it's the same thing. the criteria for treatment are different though.
the socialists base theirs on the viability of the treatment.
the capitalists base it on how much money they can make off of the patient.
 
2011-02-16 04:00:25 PM
Serious question. What effect would "defunding" have? It's my impression that its budget nuetral. The first hit I can think of is all those folks that have been getting help with the donut hole in Medicare part D. Most of them are seniors. That can't possibly backfire! The other part is folks like me that have pre-existing conditions getting the rug pulled out from under them. Once again an immediate victim that wouldn't dream of voting against the rethuglicans in 2012.

Other than that defunding does nothing about the mandate in 2014. Ins companies still have to let you cover your children until they are 26. Children with pre-existing condition will still not be denied private insurance.

Seriously? How much damage can they actually do by defunding it?

discuss
 
2011-02-16 04:00:40 PM

cchris_39: Everybody gets covered but nobody gets treated - what a plan!


Sounds like what the insurance companies have been aiming for. Money for nothing blah blah...
 
2011-02-16 04:01:53 PM

OneTimed: Cinaed: Socialist Death Panels > Capitalist Death Panels

you said Death Panels twice


He likes Death Panels.
 
2011-02-16 04:01:58 PM

jake3988: Uh, subby, the spineless jackhole democrats cut the end of life planning from the bill.

Though, they DID authorize medicare to adopt the rules anyway a couple months ago.


And then they were pulled again a few weeks later. Funny how a Medicare regulation that pays doctors for providing end-of-life counseling during an annual preventive physical examination can be called death panels while the exact same regulation that pays doctors for providing the same end-of-life counseling during the initial examination can get approved by over 170 Republicans in Congress and raise nary a whistle about murdering grandma.
 
2011-02-16 04:02:40 PM

sammyk: Serious question. What effect would "defunding" have? It's my impression that its budget nuetral. The first hit I can think of is all those folks that have been getting help with the donut hole in Medicare part D. Most of them are seniors. That can't possibly backfire! The other part is folks like me that have pre-existing conditions getting the rug pulled out from under them. Once again an immediate victim that wouldn't dream of voting against the rethuglicans in 2012.

Other than that defunding does nothing about the mandate in 2014. Ins companies still have to let you cover your children until they are 26. Children with pre-existing condition will still not be denied private insurance.

Seriously? How much damage can they actually do by defunding it?

discuss


Even revenue neutral programs have initial start-up costs.
 
2011-02-16 04:05:52 PM

PowerSlacker: Or we should evaluate whether the obscene amount of money used to wring out an additional year of suffering on our elderly is really a wise idea?


Option 1) Let a person wither away and die in a hospital room hooked up to a million tubes and machines and have doctors fretting over them night and day for months on end.

Cost: a bazillion dollars

Option 2) Give them a luxurious cruise with ten of their closest friends / family members for two weeks to someplace nice and then gas them painlessly (just the dying person, not the friends and family, unless they're about to die as well.)

Cost: a lot less than a bazillion dollars

Personally, I'd take option 2. But I know I'm weird.
 
2011-02-16 04:06:02 PM

cchris_39: Everybody gets covered but nobody gets treated - what a plan!


Nah. I'm pretty confident that those people on government-sponsored care like Medicaid, Tricare and Congress are getting treated pretty well.
 
2011-02-16 04:08:37 PM

Guidette Frankentits: We'll fund wars against terr'ists but not our health care.


We don't fund for things, we fund against them.
 
2011-02-16 04:10:29 PM

Somacandra: Congress are getting treated pretty well.


Best to be clear. The public pays a portion of Congressional premiums, but they also pay too (new window).
 
2011-02-16 04:13:08 PM

palelizard: Guidette Frankentits: We'll fund wars against terr'ists but not our health care.

We don't fund for things, we fund against them.


We fund them over there so we don't have to fund them here.
 
2011-02-16 04:15:22 PM

Somacandra: The public pays a portion of Congressional premiums, but they also pay too...


Thanks for that link!
 
2011-02-16 04:20:12 PM

Serious Black: I think I would be a great evaluator of a person's worthiness of life-saving health care. Where do I apply for these socialist death panels?


Monster.com - search health care claims rep
 
2011-02-16 04:22:55 PM

Somacandra: OneTimed: Cinaed: Socialist Death Panels > Capitalist Death Panels

you said Death Panels twice

He likes Death Panels.


It's panels full of death. What's not to like?
 
2011-02-16 04:24:07 PM

Banned on the Run: 80% of all health care dollars are spent in the last year of life.


Which is why you should be allowed to opt-out in advance. Currently advance directives can only allow you to decline resuscitation from near death, I kind of want to sign one that says that if I'm judged irreversibly (within a decent margin of error) senile by three different doctors I'd be taken out behind the barn and shot.

Voluntary dropping-out alone would probably cut our costs in half.

//Bet you can't guess what my family is putting up with recently, heh.
 
2011-02-16 04:24:12 PM

monoski: Serious Black: I think I would be a great evaluator of a person's worthiness of life-saving health care. Where do I apply for these socialist death panels?

Monster.com - search health care claims rep


Welcome! (new window)
 
2011-02-16 04:24:32 PM

Serious Black: I think I would be a great evaluator of a person's worthiness of life-saving health care. Where do I apply for these socialist death panels?


Sorry, I already have that job...the position has been filled :)
 
2011-02-16 04:27:57 PM

crab66: This is an area where emotion religion completely overwhelms reason.

 
2011-02-16 04:28:32 PM

Lando Lincoln: PowerSlacker: Or we should evaluate whether the obscene amount of money used to wring out an additional year of suffering on our elderly is really a wise idea?

Option 1) Let a person wither away and die in a hospital room hooked up to a million tubes and machines and have doctors fretting over them night and day for months on end.

Cost: a bazillion dollars

Option 2) Give them a luxurious cruise with ten of their closest friends / family members for two weeks to someplace nice and then gas them painlessly (just the dying person, not the friends and family, unless they're about to die as well.)

Cost: a lot less than a bazillion dollars

Personally, I'd take option 2. But I know I'm weird.


My end of life plan:
At 85 you get 5 kilos coke, a bottle of viagra and a dozen hookers with instructions not to stop till the job is done.

/Vote Bernie for supreme overlord!
 
2011-02-16 04:31:19 PM

Emposter: sammyk: Serious question. What effect would "defunding" have? It's my impression that its budget nuetral. The first hit I can think of is all those folks that have been getting help with the donut hole in Medicare part D. Most of them are seniors. That can't possibly backfire! The other part is folks like me that have pre-existing conditions getting the rug pulled out from under them. Once again an immediate victim that wouldn't dream of voting against the rethuglicans in 2012.

Other than that defunding does nothing about the mandate in 2014. Ins companies still have to let you cover your children until they are 26. Children with pre-existing condition will still not be denied private insurance.

Seriously? How much damage can they actually do by defunding it?

discuss

Even revenue neutral programs have initial start-up costs.


I'm genuinely curious. What startup costs? You can't exactly defund the tax breaks small businesses are getting for covering thier people. The medicare part d donut hole payments are already going out. Where does that money come from? Seems like you would be defunding medicare itself. No? The states are mandated to setup exchanges. Does that really have much of a cost since it is basically a marketplace for private ins companies to compete for the business of the poor and sell it as a huge group policy.

Does defunding it really do anything at all?
 
2011-02-16 04:36:26 PM

crab66: This is an area where emotion completely overwhelms reason.


America? Yeah, pretty much.
 
2011-02-16 04:40:54 PM

Amagi: Serious Black: I think I would be a great evaluator of a person's worthiness of life-saving health care. Where do I apply for these socialist death panels?

Sorry, I already have that job...the position has been filled :)


What?! I thought they needed millions of faceless bureaucrats to fill the backlog of geezers who need to be murdered!
 
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