Witchyman: Murphyr: Witchyman: As a truck driver, my weight, sleeping, blood pressure, drug use, etc is scrutinized. So no, even off duty I won't be able to smoke it.

Which has nothing to do with its legality. It has to do with the standards your employer sets.

Choosing a profession that disallows drug use and then blaming everyone else because you can't smoke pot is hilarious.

Actually, it's the standards of the Department of Transportation.

My employer places ADDITIONAL restrictions on my lifestyle, but not smoking pot comes from the Feds.

The DOT standards would either change to reflect the new legislation or they wouldn't. If they do, then legalizing may loosen restrictions on your off-hour use. If they don't, then the restriction isn't a function of whether or not it's legal, and it comes back to the fact that you chose to go into a profession that requires that you abstain from smoking, and voting against legalization because you don't want people who haven't made that choice to have legal marijuana is petty.

And the funny part is I wasn't stoned during any of those incidents. Ironically.

Nice try, tardmitter.

Facts:
1. We're in a recession.
2. Obama has destroyed America.
3. Out of work Americans are more likely to stay out of work while smoking the weed.
4. Textile, cotton, etc, those myths were created by hippies because they were too afraid to go to college.

There has NEVER been a time in history where cutting back "socially accepted drugs" has harmed our patriot citizens.

Keep trying, potheads.

WayToBlue: Witchyman: So if it becomes legalized, will I as a truck driver be able to use it?

If not, you don't get my support.

I don't see what your profession has to do with it; unless you're asking can you use it while you drive (or drive high) which is an obvious "no." We're not going to legalize driving drunk either I'm sure you'll be bummed to hear.

We should. Crimes ought to require victims and damages, like in the old days. Thoughtcrime is bullshiat. Before DWI was made illegal, if you caused an accident or ran someone over or something, being intoxicated was used against you, and your penalty was harsher than a sober person's. Why on Earth would we ever need to move beyond that? Do people still get arrested for DWI? Of course. So that means that just making it illegal didn't make it go away. (astonishing!) So instead of criminalizing things that MIGHT happen, which is a bad precedent to set, we should have just stuck to the old system. It was better.

Rufus Lee King: Oblig (for us over-fifty Farkers, anyway):

That makes no sense, with money you can have lots of dope.

Explain how.

Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

Wooohoo!

"2. Obama has destroyed America."

OMIGOSH when did this happen?

Rufus Lee King: Oblig (for us over-fifty Farkers, anyway):

*golf clap*

Witchyman: So if it becomes legalized, will I as a truck driver be able to use it?

If not, you don't get my support.

Sure, just not while you're driving said truck.

Freewheelin' Franklin for the win

jst3p: That makes no sense, with money you can have lots of dope.

Not if you can't find any to buy, which is what the "times of no dope" refers to.

I think of this the same way I think of clothing-optional places: When I was young, SURE! Everyone join in! Screw society's rules and inhibitions!

Now that I'm seasoned like old pine, marijuana is lame, and so are other people's nude bodies.

In both cases, the fantasies are far better than the realities. When you're stoned, in your mind, you think you're opening your mind up and experiencing a totally new perspective. In reality, you're a complete idiot. Same with nudity. After a couple experiences, you're quite happy that most people do wear clothes. Honestly.

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cyclebiff: Nice try, tardmitter.

Facts:
1. We're in a recession.
2. Obama has destroyed America.
3. Out of work Americans are more likely to stay out of work while smoking the weed.
4. Textile, cotton, etc, those myths were created by hippies because they were too afraid to go to college.

There has NEVER been a time in history where cutting back "socially accepted drugs" has harmed our patriot citizens.

Keep trying, potheads.

Google "Prohibition" Genius...

alley oop

WeenerGord: jst3p: That makes no sense, with money you can have lots of dope.

Not if you can't find any to buy, which is what the "times of no dope" refers to.

Thanks for shiatting on my joke cap. buzzkill!

Murphyr: Witchyman: Murphyr: Witchyman: As a truck driver, my weight, sleeping, blood pressure, drug use, etc is scrutinized. So no, even off duty I won't be able to smoke it.

Which has nothing to do with its legality. It has to do with the standards your employer sets.

Choosing a profession that disallows drug use and then blaming everyone else because you can't smoke pot is hilarious.

Actually, it's the standards of the Department of Transportation.

My employer places ADDITIONAL restrictions on my lifestyle, but not smoking pot comes from the Feds.

The DOT standards would either change to reflect the new legislation or they wouldn't. If they do, then legalizing may loosen restrictions on your off-hour use. If they don't, then the restriction isn't a function of whether or not it's legal, and it comes back to the fact that you chose to go into a profession that requires that you abstain from smoking, and voting against legalization because you don't want people who haven't made that choice to have legal marijuana is petty.

Not to mention that the DOT Standards that he's biatching and complaining about are basic prerequesites to get a medical card, which allows you to drive inter-state. You have to be a corpse to fail. I'm 5'9 and weighed 330# with average-borderline-high Blood Pressure and I still got mine no problem.

And the only reason "Not Smoking Pot comes from the feds" is because its still very much illegal. Nationally. That would be true regardless of what your job was.

jst3p: WeenerGord: jst3p: That makes no sense, with money you can have lots of dope.

Not if you can't find any to buy, which is what the "times of no dope" refers to.

Thanks for shiatting on my joke cap. buzzkill!


You thought you were making a joke? You thought that was funny?

Remember the Freak Bros comic where they had no money for food, but did have dope, so Franklin and Phineas got Freddy mad high then Franklin went into the store and pretended to be from Candid Camera, told the storekeeper "Don't fark it up!" just before a munchies crazed Freddy ran into the store and went mental, slashed into bags of lemon drops and food and ate himself into a coma, then Franklin and Phineas ran in and piled their fav foods onto comatose Freddies belly and ran out with him, while the bug eyed storekeeper watched? That was funny. Also illustrates how dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.

Don't shoplift, kids. Stay in school. CBS cares.

StopLurkListen

I raise you...

Then why don't you guys hurry the fark up and do it?

Yeesh, you're all so paranoid and neurotic.

DO IT!
DO IT!
DO IT!

WeenerGord: jst3p: WeenerGord: jst3p: That makes no sense, with money you can have lots of dope.

Not if you can't find any to buy, which is what the "times of no dope" refers to.

Thanks for shiatting on my joke cap. buzzkill!


You thought you were making a joke? You thought that was funny?

Remember the Freak Bros comic where they had no money for food, but did have dope, so Franklin and Phineas got Freddy mad high then Franklin went into the store and pretended to be from Candid Camera, told the storekeeper "Don't fark it up!" just before a munchies crazed Freddy ran into the store and went mental, slashed into bags of lemon drops and food and ate himself into a coma, then Franklin and Phineas ran in and piled their fav foods onto comatose Freddies belly and ran out with him, while the bug eyed storekeeper watched? That was funny. Also illustrates how dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.

Don't shoplift, kids. Stay in school. CBS cares.

I am guessing now is "times of no money" for you.

58% may want it legalized...

but the other 42% don't give a f*ck.

I don't use pot (or any illicit substances) myself, but yea, it should be. It's safer than alcohol and also helps fuel the junk food industry.

/get enough legally to manage my lupus
//sometimes wonder if I lived in Cali if I would get a pot license
///then I wonder if I would actually use it....

T-Luv: blah blah blah blah... There has to be somewhere between everything is legal and everything is illegal.

We need a vice categorization of drugs. Drugs that you can buy purely for pleasure, with listed known side effects and medicinal interactions. Of course, noone will shove leaf-pot through the expense of FDA certification, leaving 10000 patented forms of ecstasy on the market and pot still illegal.

lol.

I was having a casual argument with my dad awhile ago when he said "well maybe pot should be legalized." And I was like Whaaaaaa?? That's how I know that attitudes have changed. But Marijuana is illegal for one reason above all others.

Stoners don't vote.

And you won't get things done by waiting for a pot question to appear on the ballot. You vote in every election and get your people on the zoning board, the school board, the city commission, etc. and work your way up.

StopLurkListen: I think of this the same way I think of clothing-optional places: When I was young, SURE! Everyone join in! Screw society's rules and inhibitions!

Now that I'm seasoned like old pine, marijuana is lame, and so are other people's nude bodies.

In both cases, the fantasies are far better than the realities. When you're stoned, in your mind, you think you're opening your mind up and experiencing a totally new perspective. In reality, you're a complete idiot. Same with nudity. After a couple experiences, you're quite happy that most people do wear clothes. Honestly.

Not even remotely true, I get stoned because I enjoy being high. I have no delusions about "opening my mind", I just feel that being stoned makes my mundane daily chores more enjoyable. As for the nudity, I agree there, the average person I see on a day to day basis would make me cringe if I saw them naked.

Witchyman: So if it becomes legalized, will I as a truck driver be able to use it?

If not, you don't get my support.

If it's legalized what people ought to do is demand better testing procedures. it's crazy that we accept their Draconian testing methods that will test a person not for being under the influence but whether it's in their system at all. You can test positive for smoking a bowl a week before. That's unacceptable. they have better methods that will test for being under the influence. they just don't want to use them they want the money from the fines

I used to be completely against legalization, even if it was only for medical purposes. But people for legalization have good points: bring down crime, tax it so the state can get some money, etc. But just this last week I finally decided to vote for it after I saw a man, 31 years old (only 6 years older than I), almost completely incapacitated by pain. We were waiting in a neurologists office. He was wheelchair bound and being cared for by his parents. He hardly moved. He just started weeping when his mom told people in the room about his pain. She used to be against marijuana but she said she was convinced otherwise because all the pain meds he has don't work very well and they have awful side effects. It's just wrong someone like that has to be in pain because someone like I used to be thought it shouldn't be legalized. Next vote, I'm voting for legalization.

Wonder why? The people who control their purse strings stand to lose too much, perhaps?

The lesson of Prohibition and how profit is created for illegal activities have taken a long time to sink in.

Now that we have a large scale market for drugs, from Valium to Rush Limbaugh's favorite, oxycontin, it is becoming obvious.

ultraholland: lokidecat: If it's handled the same way as alcohol, as an intoxicating substance, I can't see why you'd want to operate a truck while using it.

I think he means just having it in his system, not being intoxicated. I think most places have a policy that they will drug test employees who get in an accident on the job, regardless of who's at fault. If they find pot in your system you're usually farked; they may even feel justified in accusing you of being intoxicated at the time of the accident.

A few states have laws prohibiting employers from regulating off-duty behavior. I think more states than not do not have such laws allowing for that asshat employer (up in MI, I think) tell all it's employees to quit tobacco or be fired.

Excen: Witchyman: So if it becomes legalized, will I as a truck driver be able to use it?

If not, you don't get my support.

In theory yes. Even after immediate consumption, the ability to operate motor vehicles is not significantly compromised. If you can smoke cigarettes while driving, you should be able to smoke a joint. The National Transportation Safety Board has proven people with the full-Thanksgiving-Turkey stone going on have no criminally-significant motor vehicle operation impairment. The government has scientifically proven that you only drive like an Arizona retiree when stoned.

/Although FSM help you if you crash into a Farmers Market. . .

I call bull crap on that one. First time I ever smoked, I drove immediately afterwards and I swear it took me half an hour to drive three miles. I was clinging to the steering wheel like Joan Rivers to her youth.

TrixieDelite: I call bull crap on that one. First time I ever smoked,

I think we found your problem.

Hobodeluxe: Witchyman: So if it becomes legalized, will I as a truck driver be able to use it?

If not, you don't get my support.

If it's legalized what people ought to do is demand better testing procedures. it's crazy that we accept their Draconian testing methods that will test a person not for being under the influence but whether it's in their system at all. You can test positive for smoking a bowl a week before. That's unacceptable. they have better methods that will test for being under the influence. they just don't want to use them they want the money from the fines

If anything, it won't get legalized for just that reason. Second-hand exposure can easily show up.

shower_in_my_socks: Britney Spear's Speculum: AND prop 19 failed. What...the fu*k

It didn't fail because of the opposition -- it failed because of the supporters' infighting and disagreements over how the prop was written. Splinter groups within the "legalize it" movement started urging people to vote against 19 because they shot it was a shiatty bill. And maybe it was, but that's how progress happens -- you get it through and then you clean it up later.

I've got many friends in California and that result did not surprise me. None of them can focus well enough to really get anything done. Especially the pot smokers. I bet half of them couldn't find their way to the polling place.

ThisNameSux: What percentage of employers currently conduct drug testing? How much would that rise if weed is legalized? You do realize that employers will still be able to refuse to hire you or terminate you for using even if it's made legal, right? Also, how do you conduct testing for people thought to be driving under the influence? If a cop pulls you over, are you going to be subjected to drug testing? If you're found to have tested positive for weed are you going to be assumed guilty even though they have no way of proving if you smoked 30 minutes or 30 days ago?

Lots of shiat to be worked out before they even think about legalizing weed.

Twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia have smokers' rights laws that protect smokers from being fired, or prohibit discrimination on the basis of the use of "lawful products outside the workplace." (new window)

I'm surprised there are that many states, but they did say "or" before saying "on the basis of the use of "lawful products outside the workplace".

It seems to me it's already worked out in a few states. Now we just have to make it a "lawful product".

untaken_name: TrixieDelite: I call bull crap on that one. First time I ever smoked,

I think we found your problem.

Seriously. Like anything it takes practice to do something well.

Third Day Mark: Murphyr: Witchyman: Murphyr: Witchyman: As a truck driver, my weight, sleeping, blood pressure, drug use, etc is scrutinized. So no, even off duty I won't be able to smoke it.

Which has nothing to do with its legality. It has to do with the standards your employer sets.

Choosing a profession that disallows drug use and then blaming everyone else because you can't smoke pot is hilarious.

Actually, it's the standards of the Department of Transportation.

My employer places ADDITIONAL restrictions on my lifestyle, but not smoking pot comes from the Feds.

The DOT standards would either change to reflect the new legislation or they wouldn't. If they do, then legalizing may loosen restrictions on your off-hour use. If they don't, then the restriction isn't a function of whether or not it's legal, and it comes back to the fact that you chose to go into a profession that requires that you abstain from smoking, and voting against legalization because you don't want people who haven't made that choice to have legal marijuana is petty.

Not to mention that the DOT Standards that he's biatching and complaining about are basic prerequesites to get a medical card, which allows you to drive inter-state. You have to be a corpse to fail. I'm 5'9 and weighed 330# with average-borderline-high Blood Pressure and I still got mine no problem.

And the only reason "Not Smoking Pot comes from the feds" is because its still very much illegal. Nationally. That would be true regardless of what your job was.

Did anybody see that the story is in the Seattle P I and is referring to the state of Washington only? Even if Washington does legalize pot it will still be illegal because the Feds say so and the federal law that says truck drivers can not smoke will still be in effect.
Plus the state legislator will be attempting to legalize it soon, with all the details about how, where and when it can be sold, taxation factored in and testing criteria for impaired driving. Plus it will still be illegal for those under 21.

SpikeStrip: it's a gateway to getting a dell.

ok, that there is some funny :) thanks.

untaken_name: TrixieDelite: I call bull crap on that one. First time I ever smoked,

I think we found your problem.

A few years ago I had abstained from pot except for once or twice a year and it had probably been a year since I had any and then someone got me baked. I managed to keep it together because I was driving and in a small town full of cops with bad reputations but I was farking wrecked (in the head). I did not want to be driving. I was too stoned to be driving and I'm normally one of those people who says smoking doesn't bother my driving.

This is what happens when you can't even remember the last time you smoked and you run into an everyday toker with kind bud.

shower_in_my_socks: Britney Spear's Speculum: AND prop 19 failed. What...the fu*k


It didn't fail because of the opposition -- it failed because of the supporters' infighting and disagreements over how the prop was written. Splinter groups within the "legalize it" movement started urging people to vote against 19 because they shot it was a shiatty bill. And maybe it was, but that's how progress happens -- you get it through and then you clean it up later.

I'm curious about this. Were there really legalization advocates who voted against the bill because they didn't like the wording of it? I just find it hard to believe that more than a handful of people actually reacted this way. Most people would prefer even a crappy legalization bill over continued criminalization--hence, medical marijuana, which to me is a stupid way to go about ending the War on Drugs, but it's better than keeping pot 100% illegal. But I guess people are capable of anything, and so I suppose they are capable of ruining a realistic chance of creating meaningful change just because of some petty infighting.

tarheel07: Hobodeluxe: Witchyman: So if it becomes legalized, will I as a truck driver be able to use it?

If not, you don't get my support.

If it's legalized what people ought to do is demand better testing procedures. it's crazy that we accept their Draconian testing methods that will test a person not for being under the influence but whether it's in their system at all. You can test positive for smoking a bowl a week before. That's unacceptable. they have better methods that will test for being under the influence. they just don't want to use them they want the money from the fines

If anything, it won't get legalized for just that reason. Second-hand exposure can easily show up.

I've been told by probation officers and other people that do drug testing that this is patently false. Also as first hand experience when I was on probation in college my roomates smoked daily, usually multiple times while I was in the same room sharing the couch and yet I NEVER failed a drug test.

T-Luv: When I was in Amsterdam, the Word Cup was going on and on duty police officers were smoking pot in the streets watching the game. I think we should allow our cops to smoke pot on duty, it would keep them from being so taser happy.

BULL SHIAT. I've been there several times, it doesn't work that way, they either weren't cops, it wasn't weed, our you're a liar, and my bet is you're a liar.

shower_in_my_socks: you get it through and then you clean it up later

You mean like the PATRIOT ACT?

/seriously having issues thinking of any time that that has actually worked
//sees people mention it quite often though
/stoned out of his mind right now

Murphyr: Witchyman: Murphyr: Witchyman: As a truck driver, my weight, sleeping, blood pressure, drug use, etc is scrutinized. So no, even off duty I won't be able to smoke it.

Which has nothing to do with its legality. It has to do with the standards your employer sets.

Choosing a profession that disallows drug use and then blaming everyone else because you can't smoke pot is hilarious.

Actually, it's the standards of the Department of Transportation.

My employer places ADDITIONAL restrictions on my lifestyle, but not smoking pot comes from the Feds.

The DOT standards would either change to reflect the new legislation or they wouldn't. If they do, then legalizing may loosen restrictions on your off-hour use. If they don't, then the restriction isn't a function of whether or not it's legal, and it comes back to the fact that you chose to go into a profession that requires that you abstain from smoking, and voting against legalization because you don't want people who haven't made that choice to have legal marijuana is petty.

As someone who's stoned and wasted in one form or another almost all the time (and that includes while driving - lookout world, I'm coming through) I don't have a dog in the fight and while we might all agree that it is petty it is surely farking funny if you look at it right.

In addition, or I digress;

I don't give him a 3/10. Hmm... I score him a solid 8.5 with true appreciation on the follow through. It wasn't masterful but it was nicely played. Sometimes brute force has its place and it is good to see a classic being well done.

I did mention that I am pretty high.

/seriously drives wasted all the time and has for years
//somehow doesn't bump into stuff considering the vast miles I have crossed
/seriously - look out for me and be feel safer I haven't drank lately

The Invisible Sky Wizard: T-Luv: When I was in Amsterdam, the Word Cup was going on and on duty police officers were smoking pot in the streets watching the game. I think we should allow our cops to smoke pot on duty, it would keep them from being so taser happy.

You're forcing me to choose between my desire to see the repeal of an irrational law and my love of seeing stuff like this.

wow that made my day. Sassy n1gg3r biatch getting tazed after shaking her chicken head back and forth telling the cop what was illegal about the stop. dont get me wrong, ALL cops can DIAF, but finger snapping ignorant black biatches can go first.

egg_mcmuffin: T-Luv: When I was in Amsterdam, the Word Cup was going on and on duty police officers were smoking pot in the streets watching the game. I think we should allow our cops to smoke pot on duty, it would keep them from being so taser happy.

BULL SHIAT. I've been there several times, it doesn't work that way, they either weren't cops, it wasn't weed, our you're a liar, and my bet is you're a liar.

He was a cop. My friend took pictures of him. Apparently it does work that way when Holland is playing in the WC.

egg_mcmuffin: T-Luv: When I was in Amsterdam, the Word Cup was going on and on duty police officers were smoking pot in the streets watching the game. I think we should allow our cops to smoke pot on duty, it would keep them from being so taser happy.

BULL SHIAT. I've been there several times, it doesn't work that way, they either weren't cops, it wasn't weed, our you're a liar, and my bet is you're a liar.

Found it.




And I'm sure it was weed. I've got about 10 years experience knowing what weed is and I've found it has a pretty distinctive smell.

"Forty-two percent too stoned to answer poll"

That or they're so deliberately ignorant that they've blinded themselves to the fact the like with alcohol, prohibition on marijuana has caused more harm than it's prevented

I attended a meeting of the Indiana Senate's Criminal Law and Sentencing Policy Committee to hear discussion on a bill to study options for reforming Indiana's marijuana laws. The bill seeks a study on the potential impact of regulating pot similar to alcohol, full scale legalization, allowing medical use, or continuing the current prohibition policy. The hope is to provide data on the effects of any changes to state and local budgets because of lowering overall prosecutions, clearing overcrowded jails and prisons, as well as potential tax revenue.

I was very surprised when it passed. Indiana House Representative and Republican Rep. Tom Knollman spoke. He's a conservative legislator from a very conservative district. He supports the ongoing effort to prevent gay marriage through a constitutional amendment, even though Indiana has already enacted laws defining marriage to a man and a woman. He coauthored bills using language about informed consent to create additional requirements for doctors to represent his point of view when discussing abortion issues with patients and attempting to establish a state holiday commemorating Ronald Reagan. His story about taking over the family farm after his brother developed multiple sclerosis, and then discovering he was stricken too was very touching. He shared his vow to provide relief for people in pain, people suffering from symptoms of many different illnesses by providing access to treatments using cannabis. My girl witnessed a conversation where two members of the commission requested that a local reporter highlight the impact of the testimony. I'm linking to video of part of his message.

Democratic Sen. Karen Tallian authored the bill. Her biggest leverage in a session where Republicans control both houses is that the Governor doesn't want her to attach a similar amendment tp his sentencing reform package. Republican Governor Mitch Daniels, who worked for Reagan and W, and who has been attacked because of a college conviction caused by his roommate dealing drugs, is pushing for serious reform of state sentencing guidelines, focusing on the potential savings, and to applying some funds toward more monitoring of violent offenders after they are released. It's like Nixon went to China twice around here! By the way, I'm not a Mitch fan, but I do appreciate his disdain for social legislation. I actually do have some faith in his intentions, if not his actions. If it's gonna be a conservative, give me a latter period Goldwater than Palin or Pence.

We have momentum. We have empathy from a good portion of society. We need to push. We need to find the best possible compromise. If not regulated legalization, then perhaps lowest priority status for non-violent drug offenses. They can use the laws to bash people who are a true threat. We need to sound and act rational. We have to hear the ideas and fears of our opponents. We need to vote.

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FirstNationalBastard: So, the number of people who believe that weed should be legal keeps rising, yet no lawmakers are among that group.

Wonder why? The people who control their purse strings stand to lose too much, perhaps?


Yep. The majority of Americans also want to stop illegal immigration. Same answer there also.