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(Canoe)   "This is about children, this is about allergies." And we don't want our children having an allergic reaction from accidentally drinking beer, now, do we   (cnews.canoe.ca) divider line 31
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2011-02-15 02:38:52 PM  
Putting allergen information on makes sense. Kids aren't the only people with allergies, and beer isn't just malt, hops, and water (unless you're in Germany). Brewers can and do put crazy shiat in their stuff.

I doubt that craft brewers realize they're ceding market share to liquor and wine as a result of their refusal to label.

The Blue Diamond growers co-op is growing at an impressive rate, (adding $75M in revenue year over year) primarily because they're the only almond distributor with peanut-free facilities.

Even if only a small fraction of people have an allergy, there's a multiplier effect on sales, as entire households buy according to the food requirements of a single member of the family.
 
2011-02-15 02:45:59 PM  
Putting Allergy labels on beer isn't about protecting children. No matter what Federal Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq says. Any parent that is giving beer to their children has many more problems than "I wonder if my child will have an allergic reaction". Some people are allergic to alcohol, do we need to put that on the warning label too?

I know several people who are Gluten intolerant and not one has ever been fooled into thinking Beer is Gluten safe. Its like labeling White Bread as containing Gluten.

What my gluten allergic friends want is more labeling on things where the allergen isn't a primary ingredient. For example, my cousin says that in her area only 1 brand of commercial BBQ sauce is Gluten free. It wasn't easy for her to figure out that information. She had to do a surprising amount of digging.
 
2011-02-15 02:57:11 PM  

weiserfireman: Putting Allergy labels on beer isn't about protecting children. No matter what Federal Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq says. Any parent that is giving beer to their children has many more problems than "I wonder if my child will have an allergic reaction". Some people are allergic to alcohol, do we need to put that on the warning label too?

I know several people who are Gluten intolerant and not one has ever been fooled into thinking Beer is Gluten safe. Its like labeling White Bread as containing Gluten.

What my gluten allergic friends want is more labeling on things where the allergen isn't a primary ingredient. For example, my cousin says that in her area only 1 brand of commercial BBQ sauce is Gluten free. It wasn't easy for her to figure out that information. She had to do a surprising amount of digging.


NOBODY IS ALLERGIC TO ALCOHOL unless they have a serious metabolic disorder like PKU.

That is a myth that originated with Bill Wilson and his proctologist. Alcohol is a digestive by-product.
 
2011-02-15 03:05:02 PM  

NannyStatePark: NOBODY IS ALLERGIC TO ALCOHOL unless they have a serious metabolic disorder like PKU.

That is a myth that originated with Bill Wilson and his proctologist. Alcohol is a digestive by-product.


And beer is pure alcohol, so nobody's really allergic. Have I got that right?
 
2011-02-15 03:14:20 PM  

NannyStatePark: weiserfireman: Putting Allergy labels on beer isn't about protecting children. No matter what Federal Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq says. Any parent that is giving beer to their children has many more problems than "I wonder if my child will have an allergic reaction". Some people are allergic to alcohol, do we need to put that on the warning label too?

I know several people who are Gluten intolerant and not one has ever been fooled into thinking Beer is Gluten safe. Its like labeling White Bread as containing Gluten.

What my gluten allergic friends want is more labeling on things where the allergen isn't a primary ingredient. For example, my cousin says that in her area only 1 brand of commercial BBQ sauce is Gluten free. It wasn't easy for her to figure out that information. She had to do a surprising amount of digging.

NOBODY IS ALLERGIC TO ALCOHOL unless they have a serious metabolic disorder like PKU.

That is a myth that originated with Bill Wilson and his proctologist. Alcohol is a digestive by-product.


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2011-02-15 03:19:27 PM  

Babwa Wawa: NannyStatePark: NOBODY IS ALLERGIC TO ALCOHOL unless they have a serious metabolic disorder like PKU.

That is a myth that originated with Bill Wilson and his proctologist. Alcohol is a digestive by-product.

And beer is pure alcohol, so nobody's really allergic. Have I got that right?


I meant ethanol, specifically, myself. You said "some people are allergic to alcohol" as if it were a fact.
 
2011-02-15 03:25:12 PM  

NannyStatePark: You said "some people are allergic to alcohol"


No I didn't.
 
2011-02-15 03:25:40 PM  
Time to switch Junior over to the "clears", then.
I think labeling should be a known allergen that you wouldn't generally expect in beer, such as almonds, dairy or the like.
 
2011-02-15 03:37:39 PM  

NannyStatePark: weiserfireman:

That is a myth that originated with Bill Wilson and his proctologist.


LMAO! Nicely played.
 
2011-02-15 03:43:39 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Putting allergen information on makes sense. Kids aren't the only people with allergies, and beer isn't just malt, hops, and water (unless you're in Germany). Brewers can and do put crazy shiat in their stuff.

I doubt that craft brewers realize they're ceding market share to liquor and wine as a result of their refusal to label.

The Blue Diamond growers co-op is growing at an impressive rate, (adding $75M in revenue year over year) primarily because they're the only almond distributor with peanut-free facilities.

Even if only a small fraction of people have an allergy, there's a multiplier effect on sales, as entire households buy according to the food requirements of a single member of the family.


Craft brewers ceeding market share to anyone over this is nonsense. Yes, they put weird stuff in beer sometimes. But it's amazingly rare for that 'stuff' to contain one of the common allergens: eggs, milk, peanuts, seafood, sesame, soy, sulphites, tree nuts and wheat. You could, I suppose, find a beer with peanuts or sesame, maybe; I've never seen one. Seafood, eggs, milk, sulfites? I'm guessing no.

Wheat (which includes barley in this case) is the major non-water component of beer. Anyone who can't figure out that beer contains wheat might need some Darwinizing.

I don't know. Apathetic bloody planet. I've no sympathy at all.
 
2011-02-15 03:48:11 PM  

Babwa Wawa: NannyStatePark: You said "some people are allergic to alcohol"

No I didn't.


True, my bad, that was weiserfireman. I quotefailed because usually the OP defends the DERP.
 
2011-02-15 04:40:44 PM  

NannyStatePark: Babwa Wawa: NannyStatePark: You said "some people are allergic to alcohol"

No I didn't.

True, my bad, that was weiserfireman. I quotefailed because usually the OP defends the DERP.


Sorry, my bad. Not a drinker myself, but I had friends claim to be allergic to alcohol my whole life.

I always assumed it was a codeword for "alcoholic, but don't want to admit it."
 
2011-02-15 05:23:12 PM  

weiserfireman: NannyStatePark: Babwa Wawa: NannyStatePark: You said "some people are allergic to alcohol"

No I didn't.

True, my bad, that was weiserfireman. I quotefailed because usually the OP defends the DERP.

Sorry, my bad. Not a drinker myself, but I had friends claim to be allergic to alcohol my whole life.

I always assumed it was a codeword for "alcoholic, but don't want to admit it."


I used to think I was "allergic" to alcohol myself, until I saw everyone in AA running their personal lives like complete garbage, and questioned their dogma, hence the vehemence with which I approach the topic. Then I found out it's a pack of lies that makes LRON look like an amateur.
 
2011-02-15 06:18:47 PM  
While folks with gluten issues should already know to avoid beer, I don't get the argument from the brewers that this would hurt their business. Anyone who would avoid a gift from god like beer over an allergen that they aren't allergic to is probably far too uptight to drink beer in the first place.

TL;DR: Both sides are bad, so drink beer.
 
2011-02-15 07:20:45 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Craft brewers ceeding market share to anyone over this is nonsense. Yes, they put weird stuff in beer sometimes. But it's amazingly rare for that 'stuff' to contain one of the common allergens: eggs, milk, peanuts, seafood, sesame, soy, sulphites, tree nuts and wheat. You could, I suppose, find a beer with peanuts or sesame, maybe; I've never seen one. Seafood, eggs, milk, sulfites? I'm guessing no.


You're absolutely right. But many allergic people won't eat or drink anything when they can't be assured that the ingredients don't contain their allergen.

Really though, I really can't imagine what the objection could be to labeling allergens. Unlike labeling for caloric/nutrition information where testing has to be performed on the final product (which would be a massive issue for microbrewers that have many products with small production batches), there wouldn't be a much of a burden on the brewer at all.

Perhaps they think it's a slippery slope to having to label for nutrition information. I dunno.
 
2011-02-15 07:34:12 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Putting allergen information on makes sense. Kids aren't the only people with allergies, and beer isn't just malt, hops, and water (unless you're in Germany). Brewers can and do put crazy shiat in their stuff.


The allergen label in question I believe was "contains gluten"
 
2011-02-15 07:37:58 PM  

stewbert: While folks with gluten issues should already know to avoid beer, I don't get the argument from the brewers that this would hurt their business.


Mill Street Brewery put forward their argument that they have all of their information printed on their bottles. For them to meet this requirement they need to destroy their entire float of bottles.

If they got a good rate they might have paid 2 dollars per dozen for those bottles. Its not a small thing for them to switch.
 
2011-02-15 08:50:47 PM  
I'm not too concerned about the children in this instance, but I don't see why alcoholic beverages can't be under the same labeling guidelines as other foods. I am sympathetic towards the struggling micro-brewer however, so how about some government assistance in getting the products tested?
 
2011-02-15 09:00:10 PM  
Canadians concerned about gluten sensitivity need not worry - simply import Budweiser from the United States. It's not only gluten-free, but taste-free, too!

/Friggin' rice. Rice! Can you believe that shiat? Rice.
 
2011-02-15 10:23:33 PM  
Rice is not necessarily gluten-free. See: "Sticky Rice."
 
2011-02-16 12:21:57 AM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: I am sympathetic towards the struggling micro-brewer however, so how about some government assistance in getting the products tested?


I'm pretty sure the brewers are well aware if they've added gluten or sulphites. Its question of capital (e.g. mill streets decision to eschew labels for printed bottles would be fairly disastrous) and advertising (sulphites)
 
2011-02-16 12:26:11 AM  

95BV5: Rice is not necessarily gluten-free. See: "Sticky Rice."


Glutinous rice and other sticky rices don't contain gluten.

Btw, I found Redbridge made a very good gluten free beer.
 
2011-02-16 09:57:55 AM  
Goddammit. Not everything has to be "about children." Can adults please have some claim to life in the world that does not have to be cleared through the other-people's-child filter?
 
2011-02-16 12:29:28 PM  

gshepnyc: Goddammit. Not everything has to be "about children." Can adults please have some claim to life in the world that does not have to be cleared through the other-people's-child filter?


It's a byproduct of the snowflake era. Instead of letting kids toughen up as they grow up, the parents keep them sheltered through high school and often beyond college.

I've recently been of the mind that the modern social justice blogger trigger-warning folks are what happens when these sheltered products of the "snowflake" era go to college and start feeling like they need to change the world to be "nicer" to them.
 
2011-02-16 01:00:13 PM  
I stopped reading the article after BREWERS WIN!
its a sports article right?
right?
/I can dream
 
2011-02-16 01:07:18 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Craft brewers ceeding market share to anyone over this is nonsense. Yes, they put weird stuff in beer sometimes. But it's amazingly rare for that 'stuff' to contain one of the common allergens: eggs, milk, peanuts, seafood, sesame, soy, sulphites, tree nuts and wheat. You could, I suppose, find a beer with peanuts or sesame, maybe; I've never seen one. Seafood, eggs, milk, sulfites? I'm guessing no.


Many stouts, and some other craft beers, do contain lactose, which is a problem for someone who's lactose-intolerant. I have a friend who's allergic to spruce tips, and thus he was unable to partake when we were doing a taste-testing of exotic beers.

/home brewer
 
2011-02-16 01:42:16 PM  
How in gods name would he know he allergic to spruce tips? Cause he rubbed up against a spruce and it gave him hives for a while? They do that to everyone, myself included.
Tree farmer
 
2011-02-16 02:22:14 PM  

binkyman: How in gods name would he know he allergic to spruce tips? Cause he rubbed up against a spruce and it gave him hives for a while? They do that to everyone, myself included.
Tree farmer


Everyone these days has an allergy they like to include in their personality. It's like everyone needs to have some disadvantage in American society in order to be considered a real person with valid opinions on "stuff".
 
2011-02-16 04:34:10 PM  

binkyman: How in gods name would he know he allergic to spruce tips? Cause he rubbed up against a spruce and it gave him hives for a while? They do that to everyone, myself included.
Tree farmer


(shrugs) I don't know the details. What I do know is that if you laugh in someone's face and ask them to explain such a silly concept, it can have adverse effects on friendship.
 
2011-02-16 07:09:53 PM  
used to like to tackle people into colorado spruce trees and laugh when they started to itch.
Yes, is a dick move but rather amusing.
 
2011-02-17 01:24:08 AM  

Knara: binkyman: How in gods name would he know he allergic to spruce tips? Cause he rubbed up against a spruce and it gave him hives for a while? They do that to everyone, myself included.
Tree farmer

Everyone these days has an allergy they like to include in their personality. It's like everyone needs to have some disadvantage in American society in order to be considered a real person with valid opinions on "stuff".


I'm allergic to stupid peoACHOOple
 
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