SlaineMacRoth: in that case...

Jenna and Barbara may have been killed!

I think we have to get barbaric now, so the Baath party folks will believe us.

Drag the bodies of Uday and Qusay out into the main square of Baghdad and allow everybody a day or so to have a good look, then remove the barricades and let the bodies to the care of those mothers who lost their children to these monsters.

tinrobot: GEAH but the fundamentalists still hate us, the ex-Baath party members still hate us, Iran and Syria still hate us, anyone who's lost a child or a loved one to the bombing still hates us. It's a quagmire, plain and simple.

Interesting observations.

Tell me, what were your predictions about the war? Did you think we were going to have to fight door-to-door to get into Baghdad? Did you think we'd only have a couple of hundred dead? When we paused outside of Baghdad, did you claim quagmire? Did you ever claim that our invasion plan was flawed?

GEAH> like there is no rape murder torture going on right now...
some ppl should wake up from their neocon wet dreams.

MAY hve, how is this diffrent than any other story posted since this oil drilling began?

Rosencrantz

"Pussboys", my dear, not "pussyboys".

It's not that I disagree with all, or even most of the issues that liberals claim to support.

It's that the majority of the liberals supporting these issues are utterly annoying assholes and crybabies. Whining, calling the president names like "Dubya", and using moral equivalency to support your argument ("killing Saddam's sons was assination. It's eeeevil!") isn't going to influence anyone to see things your way. It's unfortunate that such a noble concept as peace has such fools for advocates.

tinrobot,

GEAH but the fundamentalists still hate us, the ex-Baath party members still hate us, Iran and Syria still hate us, anyone who's lost a child or a loved one to the bombing still hates us. It's a quagmire, plain and simple.

Don't forget about the Saudis. The Saudi government hates us, and they are the most likely organizers/supporters of al-Qaeda for the Sept. 11th attacks.

Knee_jerk:Eventually we will elect another Democrat and return to fiscal responsibility.

I nominate Gray Davis.

SlaineMacRoth

I'm not disputing the fact that militarily we're "winning" the war over there. Sure we're kicking the crap out of them. But even if we "win" and Iraq becomes some bastardized form of a democracy, is it still a "success"?

Wasn't the point of the war to make me and you safer here in the US by taking all those weapons out of the hands of that madman? Well, we don't have the madman or the weapons. Mission accomplished?

I love anti-liberals (can't call them conservatives, because these folks are more concerned with bashing the other side than actually furthering their own causes). They seem to think that liberals WANT the US to be attacked or that they want rougue nations controlling actual weapons of mass destruction.

I just want our country to be safe. Did defeating Iraq move us closer to safety? Nope.

jbc: GEAH If the American right had had its way, Milosevic and his goons would still be running Serbia, torturing, raping and murdering with smiles on their faces. What's your point?

The American right was wrong about that.

What's your point?

GEAH, a good percentage of the "american left" supported the war, based on the case presented by Bush, (though they gave Powell more credence, imagine that) of an imminent threat to the United States. This case has recently been made suspect, to put it lightly.

Likewise, a good percentage of the "american right" is opposed to our current policies, because they're supposed to be the fiscally conservative party, and the current administration is pissing away money overseas.

To extremist nutbags in general: Please stop being extremist nutbags. Thank you.

GEAH

Let's be perfectly real here, themeaningoflifeisnot.

If the American left had had its way, Saddam and his sons would still be running Iraq, torturing, raping and murdering with be smiles on their faces.

What American left are you talking about? Most Democrats supported action in Iraq. Many of them wanted to wait for UN support. The peace demonstrators do not represent the American left any more then the 700 club represents the American right. These fringe groups may be said to be apart of the political landscape, but they do not define it.

Geah: If the American left had had its way, Saddam and his sons would still be running Iraq, torturing, raping and murdering with be smiles on their faces.

Yeah, and now the torturing, raping, and murdering is being heaped solely on the iraqi women. The poor girls are taking enough sh*t for both the men and the women.

I say we evactuate all iraqi females out of the country and give them asylum in America. They will only return once every last iraqi male has been properly castrated.

Can you not tell that I have upmost respect for women and complete loathing for men? I'm a male and I even hate myself.

"If the American left had had its way, Saddam and his sons never would have received US support during the 1980s"

Since a democratic president wasn't in office I don't think you can honestly say you know if he would have supported Iraq against Iran.

I suspected he would have. Iran was seen as bigger threat even to the democrates.

GEAH..do we need to show the photo of Saddam and Rumsfeld again or bring up the fact the Reagan was fine with Saddam gassing people as long as the working relationship was good?

Or that Bushy the first left the anti Saddam Iraqis high and dry after Gulf War(not really cause the Iraqis couldn't fight back)one and this led to massive deaths of dissenters?

GEAH..your impotent rage shines through your words. I know you want the world to be black and white and wish the days of your Cub Scout youth to be how the world works..but it just isn't so..I am sooo sorry. Want a huggie?

SchlingFo: Don't forget about the Saudis. The Saudi government hates us, and they are the most likely organizers/supporters of al-Qaeda for the Sept. 11th attacks.

This makes no sense. al-Qaeda was run by a guy who hated the House of Saud and had been kicked out.

SlaineMacRoth

I agree 110%. I cannot handle even listening to our news sources anymore - anything for ratings.

The inaccurate reporting doesn't just limit itself to the war either:

- Beware Shark Attacks (shark attacks same level as every other year)

- West Nile Virus epidemic (1000X more people die of the flu every year)

- Old man runs down people at the farmers market...The next day there are specialss on every local news stations
discussing the problem of elderly drivers.

- (My personal favorite) The Killer Bees are coming

Gotta love finding a horribly sad story of human sufferring
and cruelty - and watch the asshat puppethead card-reader glibly point out that "This story is exclusively on station XXX" -

hope it's true.

them two 'lil bastards are the devil's childre.....nevermind.

Sounds about right. They may have been killed, but they may not have. 50/50 is always a good bet with stuff like this

Don't all of you realize that John Henry was a steel-drivin' man?

tarvuz: GEAH..do we need to show the photo of Saddam and Rumsfeld again...

Not any more than we need to see a photo of FDR and Stalin again.

Tarvuz, m'boy, alliances and enemies change over time. Buy a farking clue.

There was a "4-hour long firefight". Why?! Why not just drop a farkin' bomb on the building?! Why put 200+ soldiers' lives on the line?! How idiotic is our military?!

Feh...

"even to the democrates"

that should be even BY the dems.

KNEE JERK:
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CuttingEdge:

Don't fret, sweetie! They'll always have the deficit!

Eventually we will elect another Democrat and return to fiscal responsibility.
""

You mean the same sort of fiscal responsibility california is enjoying with gray davis running the show? please.

a noble concept as peace has such fools for advocates.

That's a good quote for a book. It seems that the same people that are upholding "Moral Righteousness" and "Ethical Behavoir" by getting rid of abortion are responsible for killing thousands of "enemy combatants" and "terrorists." Human life has no value anymore, it is only used as a commodity to obtain ones political goals. We claim to be the "good guys" getting rid of the rape rooms, and torture chambers, good job! You killed thousands of humans in the process! Now, do the ends justify the means?

Faux news is now reporting that bodies were found closely resembling Uday and Qusay. Sounds like bullshiat.

"I spoke of the American left, which comprises much more than one elected official."

Except the only one who could have made the policy was the president.

Unless you're Ollie.

Alright, off to a meeting. Everyone be nice.

Knee_Jerk: Most Democrats supported action in Iraq. Many of them wanted to wait for UN support.

Now there's a World Class Contradiction.

GEAH I really never gave a rat's ass about HOW the war was fought. I was against it from the start. I'm still against it. One american life lost over there is one too many. It was never worth it, and it's still not.

GEAH, the world according to Tarvus and the lefties is,

1. once you are photographed meeting with someone, you are their friend forever, even if they become your enemy. no givebacks.

2. once a government makes a mistake, like supporting saddam in the iran iraq war, then you can't try to rectify that mistake later. once you're bad, you're always bad.

that is all

Democrats and fiscal responsibility. OMGLOLOLOLZ ROOFLEZ LOZLOLOLOLO!L!!1!!!

I will not believe this until I see some ashes/bodies/whatever. I hope it happened though, maybe it will stop some of the rebel shiat.

i just wonder how smart saddam is. did he realize he'd inevitably lose? does he realize that a steady stream of 1 dead a day in the news will push the US out of iraq faster than official military conflict? is he just biding his time in hiding, waiting for us to pull out, so he can emerge and reclaim his little kingdom and declare victory?

because i guarantee those people would fold under the fear he projects. i mean, if they wouldn't - he would have already been taken out by haters who are out for $25 mill.

food for thought.

(i myself always wondered if the WMD finds weren't being withheld as a sort of trump political chip. the dems hinge their entire campaign on 'no WMD' - and then rummy and cheney roll out the evidence in mid-september - and then what? dem-disarray. they'd have nothing. no counter. they aren't campaigning issues. they aren't campaigning domestic priorities. it's all 'out of iraq' and 'no WMD yet'. they got their blinders on... and the administration may just be playing em for fools. -- but then i dont know if that thinking is paranoid enough)

jbc: GEAH My point is to stop blaming the liberals for everything that's wrong with the country.

I certainly don't. However, I would say that liberals really and truly stink when it comes to foreign affairs. It got bad when FDR handed over Eastern Europe to the communists, and has only gotten worse.

There's plenty of blame to go around, just too many on both sides are afraid to take an honest look at themselves.

I attacked the right in my response. Would you like to attack the left on Iraq?

Acecool, I'll cut you a deal. I'll let you unconditionally blame California's economic woes on Gray Davis, if the lefties can unconditionally blame the nation's economic woes on Bush. ;)

If this is true, I have five words of advice to share to my fellow Americans:

Stay Away From Tall Buildings.

Jenna and Barbara might have been murdered. Police have arrested lead suspects Jose Cuervo and Jack Daniels.

"Knee_Jerk: Most Democrats supported action in Iraq. Many of them wanted to wait for UN support.

Now there's a World Class Contradiction."

How so, idiot?

jbc,
FDR had a choice, hand it over as a concession for the war or get into a THIRD battle front against Russia cus Stalin was taking it one way or another

no

RedfordRenegade:
I think you're right- that bit about human life being a commodity and all. Except that it's pretty much always been that way in one form or another. We like to fancy ourselves a lot more advanced (morally, politically, culturally, etc.) than our cretin forbears, but that's a lot of crap. This business oif killing an maiming and all that is just what our brand of primate does.