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2011-02-12 04:31:33 PM  
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2011-02-12 04:31:38 PM  
And the control group of kids who have the same symptoms as kids but aren't prescribed drugs, what about them? Because I've got some observations on people who didn't get ADHD drugs and also grew up to use lots of drugs.
 
2011-02-12 04:32:42 PM  
Well duh.
 
2011-02-12 04:33:33 PM  
Wait, this was actual research?
 
2011-02-12 04:34:29 PM  

EviLincoln: Well duh.


Beat me to it.
 
2011-02-12 04:35:06 PM  
This study is total bullshiat. I'm a drug addict and that never happened to me.
 
2011-02-12 04:35:30 PM  
So invest in drugs?
 
2011-02-12 04:36:11 PM  
And I wonder if drugs could have enabled subby to read for comprehension? Or to otherwise understand a scientific study? I doubt it because we still don't have a pill for run-of-the-mill stupidity.
 
2011-02-12 04:38:29 PM  

Rapmaster2000: This study is total bullshiat. I'm a drug addict and that never happened to me.


This isn't your fault dude. If your parents, teachers and the government would have loved you they would have given you drugs in childhood.
Clearly you're just making up for the sad lack in your childhood.
 
2011-02-12 04:41:06 PM  
Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.
 
2011-02-12 04:42:34 PM  
OH, to be young again.
I apparently missed out on at least 14-15 years of juvenile over medication. I did not discover the magical world of mood alteration until 40 years ago.
Any legal eagles? Can I now sue my 'rents for failing to provide me w/ the proper drugs that may/maynot have improved my life?
 
2011-02-12 04:43:11 PM  
I mean I get it, I'm with you subby and I agree ADHD/ADD is way overdiagnosed. But there are outlier kids out there that actually need help if they're ever going to function in our society.
 
2011-02-12 04:43:42 PM  
Cause/effect confusion much, subby? It's plausible that drug addiction is another common symptom of the disorder treated by behavior-modification meds. It's not like drug addiction suddenly appeared out of nowhere when these Ritalin/Adderal kids grew up.

In MY day, hyperactive kids weren't put on meds. They got their butts paddled every day by teachers in elementary school, and were suspended half the time in junior high and high school, before they finally managed to drop out between the ages of 14 and 17. Ah, the good old days.
 
2011-02-12 04:44:25 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.


Amphetamines are a local phenom. Most of the world just gives kids opium.
cheaper/availible
 
2011-02-12 04:44:46 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.


Teachers have a say in any child's diagnosis. Some of the time a child without medication is impossible to control. Especially if they were on it, and then taken off.

Sure they might be a zombie at 6 years old, but they need to pass these standardized tests somehow.
 
2011-02-12 04:44:59 PM  
Subby is an idiot, or has ADHD.

Other people here DRTFA.

Article said NOTHING about whether there was a link to the fact that the ADHD kids took any drugs, much less "powerful and addictive drugs".
 
2011-02-12 04:46:10 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims irresponsible idiots who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.


fixed
 
2011-02-12 04:50:40 PM  

mbillips: Cause/effect confusion much, subby? It's plausible that drug addiction is another common symptom of the disorder treated by behavior-modification meds. It's not like drug addiction suddenly appeared out of nowhere when these Ritalin/Adderal kids grew up.

In MY day, hyperactive kids weren't put on meds. They got their butts paddled every day by teachers in elementary school, and were suspended half the time in junior high and high school, before they finally managed to drop out between the ages of 14 and 17. Ah, the good old days.


Well for the milder cases, yes. There are always some that never make it to 14 and then there are those who figured out how to self-medicate by then. Over-diagnosed yes, imaginary syndrome, no.
 
2011-02-12 04:51:08 PM  
I know ADHD is a lie because they didn't have it in my grandpa's day, and there's nothing wrong with kids that physical violence won't solve. Also, they said it wasn't real on South Park and I believe it because Matt and Trey know everything.


/Didn't read the thread. Does that about cover it?
 
2011-02-12 04:51:45 PM  
yawn
 
2011-02-12 04:54:29 PM  
Kids who take drugs grow up to take drugs.

Amazing, I bet kids who wash hands grow up to wash their hands.


I even bet Farkers who learn to be dismissive grow up to be dissmissive.
 
2011-02-12 04:54:33 PM  

mbillips: Cause/effect confusion much, subby? It's plausible that drug addiction is another common symptom of the disorder treated by behavior-modification meds.


It is but it is also plausible a lifetime of teaching kids to treat their physical and emotional problems with a drug might have some unintended consequences.

I'm not sure how you're going to get at cause with humans here unless you start proposing some immoral shiat.
 
2011-02-12 04:54:41 PM  
I dunno. I buy into the whole "amphetamines work differently idea" for people with ADD. I am perfectly capable of sleeping even while the drug is still in my system. In fact I accidentally took an adderall xr a few nights ago (had a brain fart) and still slept fine. In fact I actually got out of bed a lot quicker the next morning (still probably had some in me). I doubt a normal person could sleep after a 40mg dose.
 
2011-02-12 04:56:35 PM  

LoveRBS: HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.

Teachers have a say in any child's diagnosis. Some of the time a child without medication is impossible to control. Especially if they were on it, and then taken off.

Sure they might be a zombie at 6 years old, but they need to pass these standardized tests somehow.


People with degrees in elementary education (teachers) have no business having any say in something like this.
 
2011-02-12 04:57:00 PM  
As someone who was, as a child, a prime candidate for every drug up to and including thorazine, I can say it is best to let the kids sort their mental shiat out more or less on their own. I experienced benign neglect and turned out great. Provide guidance and support their interests. It's all you can do.
 
2011-02-12 04:57:18 PM  
Any bets on whether it will change the massive over-prescribing going on these day? Anyone?

/didn't think so
// I don't care what anyone publishes about ADHD, the greed of Big Pharma is insatiable and not to be obstructed by things like facts...
 
2011-02-12 04:58:07 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: LoveRBS: HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.

Teachers have a say in any child's diagnosis. Some of the time a child without medication is impossible to control. Especially if they were on it, and then taken off.

Sure they might be a zombie at 6 years old, but they need to pass these standardized tests somehow.

People with degrees in elementary education (teachers) have no business having any say in something like this.


Some kids who grow up with no society become adults who want no society.
 
2011-02-12 04:59:49 PM  

brukmann: As someone who was, as a child, a prime candidate for every drug up to and including thorazine, I can say it is best to let the kids sort their mental shiat out more or less on their own. I experienced benign neglect and turned out great. Provide guidance and support their interests. It's all you can do.


Being middle-class and well off also helps.
 
2011-02-12 05:00:04 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: I dunno. I buy into the whole "amphetamines work differently idea" for people with ADD. I am perfectly capable of sleeping even while the drug is still in my system. In fact I accidentally took an adderall xr a few nights ago (had a brain fart) and still slept fine. In fact I actually got out of bed a lot quicker the next morning (still probably had some in me). I doubt a normal person could sleep after a 40mg dose.


Takes about 72 hours before some of us get to sleep after 40mgxr.
 
2011-02-12 05:01:13 PM  

disarticulate: HerpaDerpaDoo: LoveRBS: HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.

Teachers have a say in any child's diagnosis. Some of the time a child without medication is impossible to control. Especially if they were on it, and then taken off.

Sure they might be a zombie at 6 years old, but they need to pass these standardized tests somehow.

People with degrees in elementary education (teachers) have no business having any say in something like this.

Some kids who grow up with no society become adults who want no society.


Are you calling me an anarchist because I said that elementary school teachers have no business saying that a child should take amphetamine everyday?
 
2011-02-12 05:04:04 PM  
 
2011-02-12 05:04:05 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: disarticulate: HerpaDerpaDoo: LoveRBS: HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.

Teachers have a say in any child's diagnosis. Some of the time a child without medication is impossible to control. Especially if they were on it, and then taken off.

Sure they might be a zombie at 6 years old, but they need to pass these standardized tests somehow.

People with degrees in elementary education (teachers) have no business having any say in something like this.

Some kids who grow up with no society become adults who want no society.

Are you calling me an anarchist because I said that elementary school teachers have no business saying that a child should take amphetamine everyday?


No, I'm saying your blanket statement insinuating that a teacher chooses which option a parent must/should take to allow their child to not degrade the educational system, is biased?
 
2011-02-12 05:04:55 PM  
Ah yes, the "Diseaseification of Everything" as I like to call it. We are so eager to slap a label/disease/syndrome on things that simply aren't.

Obesity isn't your fault. You didn't eat more calories that your body requires. It is a "disease."

Most children exhibit signs of hyperactivity and a lack of attention. It is called being a child... But mommies and daddies can't be bothered to guide the ones who need a little extra parenting. Better to slap a "disorder" on it and keep the little brat drugged out, thus stifling their natural creativity.

Autism? Give me a break. It is the new ADHD, an over-diagnosed sham. Just a new way to explain/excuse unwanted deviant behavior, excuse the parents from actually parenting, from helping the child with its special needs.

Alcoholism? Not your fault. It is a "disease." Has nothing to do with a lack of self control, or some deeper psychological issues that need to be addressed. Nah, better blame it on a sickness and leave the real issues unaddressed.

I'm so sick of it all. There are certain personality types that have always been, and will always be. Deviations from the "norm" are natural. Everyone lies somewhere on the bell curve of any given behavior. It doesn't make it a disease.
 
2011-02-12 05:07:53 PM  

Tunacrab: Ah yes, the "Diseaseification of Everything" as I like to call it. We are so eager to slap a label/disease/syndrome on things that simply aren't.

Obesity isn't your fault. You didn't eat more calories that your body requires. It is a "disease."

Most children exhibit signs of hyperactivity and a lack of attention. It is called being a child... But mommies and daddies can't be bothered to guide the ones who need a little extra parenting. Better to slap a "disorder" on it and keep the little brat drugged out, thus stifling their natural creativity.

Autism? Give me a break. It is the new ADHD, an over-diagnosed sham. Just a new way to explain/excuse unwanted deviant behavior, excuse the parents from actually parenting, from helping the child with its special needs.

Alcoholism? Not your fault. It is a "disease." Has nothing to do with a lack of self control, or some deeper psychological issues that need to be addressed. Nah, better blame it on a sickness and leave the real issues unaddressed.

I'm so sick of it all. There are certain personality types that have always been, and will always be. Deviations from the "norm" are natural. Everyone lies somewhere on the bell curve of any given behavior. It doesn't make it a disease.


If you like, we could let your feral wordless self back into the amazon and you can blend into the diversity of uselessness in argumentation.
 
2011-02-12 05:08:56 PM  
"Children who are treated with powerful, addictive drugs in childhood ... are more likely to be drug addicts as adults"

Or else to be totally awesome guardians of our reality as adults.

static.tvfanatic.com

So there can be an upside, too.
 
2011-02-12 05:10:44 PM  
As someone who was diagnosed with ADHD in 1975 and heavily drugged to get through 6th to 9th grade and than began to smoke pot and use many other drugs, I'm getting a kick out of.....what the fark was I talking about.....
 
2011-02-12 05:11:17 PM  

disarticulate: HerpaDerpaDoo: disarticulate: HerpaDerpaDoo: LoveRBS: HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.

Teachers have a say in any child's diagnosis. Some of the time a child without medication is impossible to control. Especially if they were on it, and then taken off.

Sure they might be a zombie at 6 years old, but they need to pass these standardized tests somehow.

People with degrees in elementary education (teachers) have no business having any say in something like this.

Some kids who grow up with no society become adults who want no society.

Are you calling me an anarchist because I said that elementary school teachers have no business saying that a child should take amphetamine everyday?

No, I'm saying your blanket statement insinuating that a teacher chooses which option a parent must/should take to allow their child to not degrade the educational system, is biased?


I never said that, the other guy never said that either.

Reading, you don't has it.
 
2011-02-12 05:11:51 PM  

disarticulate: Kids who take drugs grow up to take drugs.

Amazing, I bet kids who wash hands grow up to wash their hands.


I even bet Farkers who learn to be dismissive grow up to be dissmissive.


Of course that's not what the study showed but who can spare the attention to actually read the article.
 
2011-02-12 05:23:45 PM  
Who says that the Dunning-Kruger effect can't apply to psychology too? Unfortunatley, it looks like none of you can be trained to recognize your ignorance because none of you can be bothered to read a goddam article.

Tunacrab: Autism? Give me a break. It is the new ADHD, an over-diagnosed sham. Just a new way to explain/excuse unwanted deviant behavior, excuse the parents from actually parenting, from helping the child with its special needs.


I agree that it is overdiagnosed, but sham? Surely people who can't talk and have to wear diapers when they are 18 have nothing wrong with them, right?
 
2011-02-12 05:24:08 PM  

El Freak: I know ADHD is a lie because they didn't have it in my grandpa's day, and there's nothing wrong with kids that physical violence won't solve. Also, they said it wasn't real on South Park and I believe it because Matt and Trey know everything.


/Didn't read the thread. Does that about cover it?


Pretty much.
 
2011-02-12 05:31:57 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.


I would really like you to meet my nephew, spend some time with him, and then tell me if you think no one actually has this disorder.

/Seriously
 
2011-02-12 05:34:21 PM  

wademh: disarticulate: Kids who take drugs grow up to take drugs.

Amazing, I bet kids who wash hands grow up to wash their hands.


I even bet Farkers who learn to be dismissive grow up to be dissmissive.

Of course that's not what the study showed but who can spare the attention to actually read the article.


THIS

Bad form subby - the article has nothing to do with giving kids drugs.
 
2011-02-12 05:41:48 PM  

megalynn44: HerpaDerpaDoo: Parents who give their children amphetamine everyday are victims who have been convinced by drug companies and psychiatrists that they have an imaginary disorder, the existence of which is impossible to prove or diagnose. Amphetamine is more addictive than alcohol.

Yea, it really is a conspiracy.

I would really like you to meet my nephew, spend some time with him, and then tell me if you think no one actually has this disorder.

/Seriously


Yes, I really think that. So do many physicians.

Your son may have a psychological disorder of some kind. I am not saying they are all fabricated. But there is absolutely no reason to give a child amphetamine everyday. None. And if you do you will likely end up stunting his or her growth and causing lots of harm and they will be a true victim of this problem.

And I just would like to respectfully point out, so many parents say what you just said -- "If you had met my child you would understand." This is an all too common statement.

I mean to be respectful to you in this but I do believe it is an absolute truth that it is a crime to prescribe children amphetamine for ADD or ADHD. Psychiatrists and drug companies love it. It is the best marketing ever -- a disorder for which any person can be diagnosed. I can walk into a psychiatrists office and within 5 minutes obtain a prescription for anti-depressants and amphetamine at the same time. No questions asked.

There has only ever been one study that attempted to physically prove the existence of ADD or ADHD and it was inconclusive. There is a reason you cannot diagnose this "disorder" with a brain scan or with blood tests and a reason that psychiatrists do not even test adults for it, they just write the prescription on the spot without any actual evaluation.

You should look into a book written by a doctor, I unfortunately forget his name, discussing the ADD/ADHD problem and how drug treatments for these "symptoms" are really just claiming to cure the most annoying behaviors of normal children.

Have you taken amphetamine everyday for six months? Maybe you should and then come back and say this. Actually please do not do that because it will cause you great mental and physical harm. I am serious.
 
2011-02-12 05:46:33 PM  
LAUGHTER OL I would like to introduce you to the confound of me.

I have also heard that they used to treat the cancer with leeches and that it is diagnosed much more today than it once was so this is a made up disease with the imaginary treatment for it.

If you do not wish to take the amphetamines then do not do so but unless you are the fat person with the bad heart this is not something that is going to cause harm to the average snowflake. The same people who do the outcrying for such the issue are also saying to others to please do not use the vaccines.

HerpaDerpaDoo: psychiatrists do not even test adults for it,


LAUGHTER OL you are the troll of the thread! I have spotted this.
 
F42
2011-02-12 05:47:04 PM  
Subby: parents enable them to blame their bad behavior on a "disorder"

You're a bad "person".
 
2011-02-12 05:48:05 PM  
Gonna bring up kids in a farked up country like america and then be surprised when they end up farked up huh ?

Open your eyes. Insane levels of materialism and fear do not make a healthy environment.
 
2011-02-12 05:49:21 PM  
Because ADHD drugs activate the Dopamine system. Duh.
 
zeg
2011-02-12 05:49:47 PM  

Tunacrab: Ah yes, the "Diseaseification of Everything" as I like to call it. We are so eager to slap a label/disease/syndrome on things that simply aren't.

[...]

I'm so sick of it all. There are certain personality types that have always been, and will always be. Deviations from the "norm" are natural. Everyone lies somewhere on the bell curve of any given behavior. It doesn't make it a disease.


You might want to find out what "disease" or "syndrome" means to the people who apply those labels before you go apeshiat about something you don't understand. The label has nothing to do with assignment of responsibility and everything to do with recognizing that there is a problem and a set of symptoms/behaviors that people with that problem share. By identifying that, we can hope to solve the problem systematically.

Of course, in some of the cases you mention, there is actual scientific evidence that the disease/syndrome is either caused or made more likely by things beyond the control of the sufferer. But don't worry about that, you seem to be on a roll with your rant.

And, irrespective, even if it *is* the fault of the sufferer through poor choices or self-control, we can still try to help them out. Well, I guess, if we're not assholes we can anyway. So feel free to sit in your little bubble of self-righteousness.
 
F42
2011-02-12 05:51:32 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: There has only ever been one study that attempted to physically prove the existence of ADD or ADHD and it was inconclusive. There is a reason you cannot diagnose this "disorder" with a brain scan or with blood tests and a reason that psychiatrists do not even test adults for it, they just write the prescription on the spot without any actual evaluation.


You're completely full of shiat.

STFU you evil, ignorant asshole. Your opinion on ADD is the same as the vaccines causing autism bullshiat; you should ashamed of spewing it.
 
2011-02-12 05:53:11 PM  
DON'T TELL DINA LOHAN THIS!

/she'll be so depressed to hear.
 
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