El Morro: That was just depressing.

I was going to join in with the sarcasm and snark and to point at the idiots and laugh.

But I can't. That was just so incredibly sad to watch. Ugh.

I admit I couldn't watch the entire video. Sad and scary.

Tyee: Jackson Herring: Iowa resident are you?

A long run for the office, then two years in the Oval office and you still can't convince the Iowans Iowanians Iowegians dumbasses in Iowa that your a Christian.
Who is failing here Jack? The stupid or those who are supposed to be smart enough to lead them. They will always be stupid until he stops failing.

If you tell someone the earth is round, show them photos and videos of the round earth, point out evidence and experiments that suggest the earth is round, show them models of the solar system and explain gravity and the formation of the solar system and they still think the earth is flat... it's not your fault.

downpaymentblues: bartink: Two random groups, same question, except one group the question indicates the president supports the action.

This would be easy to do. There are many quotes from Boehner and Obama that are nearly identical.

Show one group the video of the quote from Boehner and ask them if they agree, then the same quote from Obama.

You know what would happen, but it would be nice to see it concretely demonstrated.

Or just wait until the GOP Primaries and listen to Romney explain how Mittcare = Good and Obamacare = Bad when they're the exact same farking thing, which is the exact same farking thing the Dole trotted out in 1996 that GOP voters turned out in droves to vote for.

Gee, and we wonder why the GOP is constantly trying to de-fund education...

Tyee: The stupid or those who are supposed to be smart enough to lead them. They will always be stupid until he stops failing.

Yes, the guy that gets up in the Morning to Fox and Friends, reads his local Rupert Murdoch newspaper, heads to work where he reads nothing but American "Thinker"/Big Government/Freeperland/Insert Conservative Blog Here, spends lunch talking only with people who agree with this noise machine, then spends the rest of his day working while listening to Beck and Rush, only to head home to a night of Fox News Fox News Fox News clearly would be willing to be convinced that everything he believes, hears, and reads all day long are false if Obama were more effective in getting the "Xtian optics" out there.

Reality doesn't matter in politics anymore. At all. It's just a game played through the media while Congress does what they really want (get favors for their biggest campaign donors to keep that money train rolling). Maybe that could change if the Republicans could actually find a strong leader again. But their talent pool is full of tards and perverts.

Obama should get baptized as a born-again in October 2012 on Fox News for the lulz.

jasimo: it's not your fault.

You first have to convince them you're not a very clever liar. If you can do that, without giving evidence to the contrary, you won't fail.

/good lord these people are dumb
//there are dumb people on all sides, but....seriously?

Tyee: jasimo: it's not your fault.

You first have to convince them you're not a very clever liar. If you can do that, without giving evidence to the contrary, you won't fail.

I respect your faith in humanity. I really do- the only reason to be a liberal, IMO, is because you believe things can actually improve in America.

But this basic brain anatomy- the logic and reasoning areas of the brain that do things like "weigh evidence" aren't in control. It's the reptilian brain that's running the show for authoritarian personality types- the area most responsible for fear and paranoia.

It's why Fox News can brag about how much better their ratings are than any other cable news network, and then claim to not be a part of the "mainstream media." It's why they can simultaneously believe that they speak for the massive Silent Majority, and yet are sure that their beliefs, and our very country, are under an all-powerful attack from Progressives.

It's why they are convinced they're True American Patriots, but get all butthurt when a Super Bowl ad dares to mention that its cars are made in Detroit. Quoting Orwell can be pretty cliche at this point, but it's classic doublespeak, and that doesn't happen without some serious shut down in the cerebral cortex.

Testiculator Ablaze: Rent is too damn high: ...a complete unmitigated disaster for the GOP

Don't be so quick to jump to that conclusion. Remember, it's on the whim of the Independent at that particular moment of voting as to whether we go R or D. And your average I has never been shown to be all that bright.

Independents, or at least the vast majority thereof, are a fantastically pathetic bunch. They talk about their political stance like they're some political sage, standing ideologically high above the rabble and its false left-right dichotomies. They won't be taken in by base political propaganda and gimmicky pandering, nosiree. They do their homework and judge each candidate and issue on a case-by-case basis. If they amount, in practical terms, to conservatives, it's only because their amazing freethinkingness brought them to such a position.

In reality, they vote for whoever bashes teh gheys and Mexicans the most.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So, who do they like? (new window)

This whole thing looks about as spontaneous as a Popeil infomercial(set it--and forget it!).

Which means they're rehearsed. Which means they're even dumber than they appear.

Congratulations, REPUBLICANS.

Much better video here. (new window)

wow it really does look scripted. All those people with stuff to say and there's never an occasion where two people talk at once. If it was truly spontaneous, wouldn't there have been times when two people started talking at once?

And we wonder why we call it 'Flyover Country' with disdain dripping off of every syllable?

It's because the stupid lives there.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So, who do they like? (new window)

This whole thing looks about as spontaneous as a Popeil infomercial(set it--and forget it!).

Which means they're rehearsed. Which means they're even dumber than they appear.

Congratulations, REPUBLICANS.

That much praise for Bachmann???? Really????? Send these jokers to back to Orange City, or whatever part of Steve King's district they dragged them out of.

I know we just did the time-warp electing a mediocre crook to a new term as Governor, and we bounced a good chunk of our Supreme Court for having the balls to actually make a decision based on the text of the constitution, rather then what a slim majority of the voters want - I just, just . . . Damnit, I'm going to have to face it. I really do live in fly-over country.

/Anywhere safe left in the US? Or do I need to move to Scandinavia.
//Promise I won't Surprise Sex anyone, honest.

Bocanegra: Pawn takes the King: Heh.. 2nd image in search.

Thought the first image was more apt myself:

By the by, the group that's saying this is at least 50% accurate.


I realize you are a troll and everything, which the mods refuse to do anything about, but you do realize that the largest provider of funding to the Republican Party last election is trying to get the US to ease off of sanctions against Iran, right?

Tyee: A long run for the office, then two years in the Oval office and you still can't convince the Iowans Iowanians Iowegians dumbasses in Iowa that your a Christian.
Who is failing here Jack? The stupid or those who are supposed to be smart enough to lead them. They will always be stupid until he stops failing.

Teach an orangutan particle physics.

We're waiting.

/fail

So... what is the news value of having a bunch of GOP caucus voters rate their opinion on Obama trying to talk about football with BillO, exactly?

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So, who do they like? (new window)

This whole thing looks about as spontaneous as a Popeil infomercial(set it--and forget it!).

Which means they're rehearsed. Which means they're even dumber than they appear.

Congratulations, REPUBLICANS.

Much better video here. (new window)

Republican caucus voters are the most important people in America. They hate Obama but love Palin, Gingrich and Bachmann.

And Frank Luntz was completely convinced that Hillary Clinton was going to be the President.

With the amount of bullshiat and idiocy in that room I'm surprised they had room left for the cameras.

These people maybe idiots. However, when Obama goes on Fox, which they watch, and feeds them BS Link (new window) he loses all credibility. He is failing at what he is supposed to be best at, organizing the community to achieve a common goal.

markie_farkie: This crowd, in a nutshell (new window)

Dude... This is so spot on. Well done.

kasmel: Teach an orangutan particle physics.

Yeah, that is a accurate analogy Sir Failsalot.

Tyee: These people maybe idiots. However, when Obama goes on Fox, which they watch, and feeds them BS Link (new window) he loses all credibility. He is failing at what he is supposed to be best at, organizing the community to achieve a common goal.

Please refer to this thread for the full explanation of why your post is disingenuous.

Tyee: These people maybe idiots. However, when Obama goes on Fox, which they watch, and feeds them BS Link (new window) he loses all credibility. He is failing at what he is supposed to be best at, organizing the community to achieve a common goal.

If Obama spent his focus on that aspect of our community, he would be doing a massive disservice to the non-retard community. That time is much better spent securing nuclear weapons, creating more equitable trade agreements with other major world economies, ensuring that the Iraq withdrawal is as efficient and safe as it possibly can be.

Realistically, we're passed the age where a President--any President--won't have a group of organized people that hate him or her. Frankly, if that's what President Obama was focused on, he would be a George W. Bush-level failure as a leader.

Tyee: A long run for the office, then two years in the Oval office and you still can't convince the Iowans Iowanians Iowegians dumbasses in Iowa that your a Christian.
Who is failing here Jack?

Dumbasses in Iowa. And of course, you, as usual.

Any other stupid questions you'd be able to answer for yourself if not for the massive head injury that made you this way?

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: He raised some taxes on Snooki, not these people.

The President said on 2/6 "I didn't raise taxes once." The Truth-O-Meter says false. And I'm sure some of those people smoke and remember the day the smokes went up.

Iowa did give Obama one of his watershed moments in the primary. Iowa Fundies are 'tards, though.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Realistically, we're passed the age where a President--any President--won't have a group of organized people that hate him or her. Frankly, if that's what President Obama was focused on, he would be a George W. Bush-level failure as a leader.

This is true, it is also true that he is failing to convince them as I have said, so be it. He may also go down as a bigger failure than Bush or even Carter. He does seem to be well on that way.

The big issue that I see here is the power to influence the direction of the presidential elections being laid at the hands of hun-yucks from Iowa.

Farker Soze: Iowa did give Obama one of his watershed moments in the primary.

Those Iowa Hun-Yucks I spoke about earlier.

Good night and good luck,

This is Fark so feel free to call me names and make "running away" remarks if it makes you feel better.

Tyee: Yeah, that is a accurate analogy Sir Failsalot.

It was obviously hyperbolic, but the point is sound. These individuals are literally incapable of learning. Whether by virtue of lack of will or pure unadulterated lack of intellectual capacity is irrelevant.

There are those for whom any idea that challenges their preconceived world view is so frightful that they are unable to even conceive of it. The fact that each of them was so hung up on words like 'muslim' or 'liberal' indicates that they are among this, sadly growing, demographic.

These people are the problem every bit as much as Code Pink is part of the problem. The fact that I happen to have come to similar conclusions about the merit of our having engaged in the Iraq war as many members of that group, doesn't mean that I don't recognize that many of them shouldn't be trusted to tie their shoes let alone be taken seriously in a conversation about policy.

In short, stupid people suck.

The fella in the blue shirt: the palpable, quivering, pants-shiatting fear so evident in his voice is incredible. And even the interviewer seemed incredulous of the rampant stupidity.

jwilson07: Love to see the liberals, after 8 years of calling George bush everything except a white guy, complain their boy is getting a name calling treatment. If you pussies cannot handle name calling you might as well go home and cry to momma, farking pussy liberals make me sick.

There's a big difference between accusing Bush of being a war criminal and calling Obama a secret Muslim. One has facts to back it up. The other is because people don't like a Black guy.

The important thing to keep in mind is that any criticism of these folks would be elitist. Also smug and/or sneering. We must treat all opinions as valuable, even when one is, "I'm not sure that the laffer curve is accurate at all" and the other is a long belch while waving a tiny American flag in one hand and scratching one's nuts with the other.

downpaymentblues: I admit I couldn't watch the entire video. Sad and scary.

Me neither. Made it about 1/2 way through and just had to bail.

Personally, I think we've come a long way. 60 years ago these folks would have been jabbering away about a darkie president who was born in Africa and howls at the moon with a bone in his nose. Now, they say the same thing but thinly veiled with "legitimate" concerns about his dedication to our nation and our way of life. Go America, go!

they remind me of the persons onstage at a hypnotist's show

Barfmaker: TwoHead: I just want to say that I've been to Iowa and the people I met there didn't seem retarded at all. The people in this video do not represent all Iowans.

I was in Iowa too, except it was Chicago, but they seemed cool.

That reminds me of a Mike Royko story from years ago. He got lost in Rural Illinois somehow ended up in Indiana hated it, and wrote an article about it. Naturally the good people of Indiana objected and it lead to a couple of weeks of back and forth. Until he visited Indiana. After a few hours he realized he originally got lost in Iowa.

What a magnificent example of the common clay of the new West.

jwilson07: Love to see the liberals, after 8 years of calling George bush everything except a white guy, complain their boy is getting a name calling treatment. If you pussies cannot handle name calling you might as well go home and cry to momma, farking pussy liberals make me sick.

Maybe you have an allergic reaction to semen?

HE'S BLACK. AND NOT EVEN COMPLETELY BLACK. GET THE FU*CK OVER IT.

jwilson07: Love to see the liberals, after 8 years of calling George bush everything except a white guy, complain their boy is getting a name calling treatment. If you pussies cannot handle name calling you might as well go home and cry to momma, farking pussy liberals make me sick.

Says the guy throwing a hissy fit when Republicans get called out on their outright lies.

I wonder if, at some level, Fox is finally reaping the derp it sowed while it tries to jump back over the hungry shark of American politics. Or something.

Beck is the only Fox host not being consistently savaged by the Freepers now (O'Reilly's interview was too soft, is the general conclusion, despite the number of interruptions and general asshattery). The tea party has been revealed as the right-wing rump of the GOP, not some noble experiment in small government advocacy. And its most prominent leaders are now pushing flatly insane political conspiracies discredited over decades.

It's not just substituting Soros for the Rothschilds that seems so loony, or the ascendancy of the Birchers - it's the inability to calibrate an opposition. Folks like the ones in this focus group are simply outraged all the time about everything, whether it is the president's position on Egypt, or his caution or his hair or his faith or his wife or his daughter or the House minority leader or the Senate majority leader or Hollywood or New Yawk or Chicago or heaven knows what else.

This is a level of outrage and derp that scares normal Americans. When even Frank Luntz thinks you're going too far, you're going too far. When Beck starts attacking the neocons for not being sufficiently scared of his conspiracy theories, you've left the playing field.

If anything, Murdoch and Ailes want to be taken seriously as political players. That won't happen if folks like this are your audience, your mainstream. Iowans or not, they scare everyone.

/apologies for length
//and unnecessary slashies

Conservatives think Obama is Hitler.
Conservatives think Obama is too liberal.
Therefore, conservatives think Hitler was too liberal.

This is why liberals are smug and sneering.

they all said absolutely nothing of substance.....

Of course the president has to be aloof.... read between the lines people, this is a complex diplomatic situation.