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(NPR)   An Alabama prison has amazing success reducing inmate violence with a meditation program. For some reason Christians have a problem with this   (npr.org) divider line 135
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2011-02-08 02:01:38 PM  

Kali-Yuga: hubiestubert: when faced with a prison population that is fair often not Christian

Actually.. according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, most prisoners are Christians.

Catholic - 39.164%
Protestant - 35.008%
Muslim - 7.273%
Jewish - 1.773%
Church of Christ - 1.744%
Pentecostal - 1.463%
Buddhist - 1.180%
Jehovah Witness - 0.890%
Mormon - 0.399%
Scientology - 0.254%
Atheist - 0.209%


According to CIA factbook, 24% of US population is Catholic, yet they account for 39% of the prison population.
Does all that repression catch up with you? Socio-economic reasons?

Discuss.
 
2011-02-08 02:01:52 PM  

Jim_Callahan: There's actually no innate philosophical or political conflict between many sects of buddhism and christianity, since something like half of the flavors of buddhism are non-religious.


I strongly disagree, since one of the main tenets of Buddhism is that delusional thinking is a source of man's suffering.

Ignorance is not only not knowing, but also includes not wanting to know. In Buddhism, the deeper level of ignorance refers to a lack of wisdom or insight into the nature of reality.


"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

From that quote alone, it sounds like pretty much the polar opposite of Christian teachings to me.
 
2011-02-08 02:02:45 PM  
Oh hell. Now they'd rather people stab each other then do a thing on the religous-approved list.
 
2011-02-08 02:04:08 PM  

jasimo: According to CIA factbook, 24% of US population is Catholic, yet they account for 39% of the prison population.
Does all that repression catch up with you? Socio-economic reasons?


I'd say it's because the prisoners are hoping for leniency if they find god in prison.
 
2011-02-08 02:08:33 PM  

jasimo: According to CIA factbook, 24% of US population is Catholic, yet they account for 39% of the prison population.
Does all that repression catch up with you? Socio-economic reasons?

Discuss.


Well aren't nearly 100% of Mexicans Catholic?
It does seem to make sense though, since numerous studies have shown the groups with the highest incidence rate of religious belief are the poor, uneducated and just plain stupid. I'd assume most criminals belong to those same groups.
 
2011-02-08 02:11:46 PM  
Weird that they would have an issue. I know a Methodist minister that meditates for an hour about 3 times each day. He also makes his runs to the home bound, ill, and grieving throughout the week. And when I say runs I mean RUNS. He preaches in an extremely rural area and probably puts well over 20 miles each day on his sneakers instead of driving.

I'm not much on the whole church thing. I am C&E (Christmas and Easter to appease the wife), but I'd listen to him every week if I lived in his neck of the woods. A totally amazing dude without a dress code. He looks like a cowboy that just crossed the desert every time you see him. But he studied almost all conventional western and eastern religions in divinity school after doing years and years of various cool dirty thankless jobs. I contrast that with the preachers that can just set up a shack after they read the bible for the first time and want to give us 'their take' on what it means. I don't know if that describes these chaplains in TFA or not.
 
2011-02-08 02:13:43 PM  

Nabb1: Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.


as a side note, "dumb as a box of hair" was jesus' favorite insult for people who disagreed with him. most people don't know that, but its actually the biblical basis that makes internet insults a good christian activity.
 
2011-02-08 02:14:08 PM  

Kali-Yuga:
I strongly disagree, since one of the main tenets of Buddhism is that delusional thinking is a source of man's suffering.

Ignorance is not only not knowing, but also includes not wanting to know. In Buddhism, the deeper level of ignorance refers to a lack of wisdom or insight into the nature of reality.


"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

From that quote alone, it sounds like pretty much the polar opposite of Christian teachings to me.


That's what kinda gets me about Buddhism though, that they believe in reincarnation. It goes directly against that passage. But I believe the Dalai Lama also said that if reincarnation was proven not to exist, they would be willing to accept that. But currently they expect everyone to believe in reincarnation. Sorta like taking it in faith, because your elders say so.
 
2011-02-08 02:15:39 PM  
Of course Christians don't like meditation. If you teach that you can solve your problems by looking inside yourself, how can you control that person's morals and pocketbook? There's no revenue stream to be made from meditation.
 
2011-02-08 02:16:56 PM  
Whatever works, works. so long as they keep it secular, i'm ok with this.
 
2011-02-08 02:19:15 PM  

jasimo: Kali-Yuga: hubiestubert: when faced with a prison population that is fair often not Christian

Actually.. according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, most prisoners are Christians.

Catholic - 39.164%
Protestant - 35.008%
Muslim - 7.273%
Jewish - 1.773%
Church of Christ - 1.744%
Pentecostal - 1.463%
Buddhist - 1.180%
Jehovah Witness - 0.890%
Mormon - 0.399%
Scientology - 0.254%
Atheist - 0.209%

According to CIA factbook, 24% of US population is Catholic, yet they account for 39% of the prison population.
Does all that repression catch up with you? Socio-economic reasons?

Discuss.


Actually, it's only 23.9% Catholic, at least using the 2007 numbers that are currently available.

Statistics always seem to prove that Atheists are far more moral than those who believe in the gods. One has to wonder why though.

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2011-02-08 02:24:42 PM  

GWLush: Nabb1: GWLush: Nabb1: GWLush: Nabb1: GWLush: Nabb1: So, let me get this straight, submitter, you read that entire article, and zoned in on the one paragraph that mentioned (practically in passing) the prison chaplains objected, resulting in a temporary stopping of the program until the warden reinstated it, and then drew the conclusion that all Christians objected to it? Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.

I am not the subby but I think he/she may be referring to the comments also.

I skimmed them. I thought they were mostly positive. I can't think of any Christians I know personally who are opposed to meditation. Of course, most of them are Catholic, not Southern Baptist. I am sure that there are folks in Alabama who think this is just going to put us all on the road straight to hell, but I mean, come on - it's Alabama.

Yeah, I grew up Southern Baptist and they are against anything but Southern Baptist. My wife and I visited South Carolina and one of my long time friends would not invite my wife over because she is a Buddhist which he found out on Facebook. I politely told him to "suck the frothiness from my cock". Needless to say we are no longer friends.

I grew up in SC. Knew people who would fit that description. New Orleans is like a polar opposite of that when it comes to religious tolerance.

I grew up in the Anderson/Greenville area. You?

I lived in the Greenville area for about two years before going to college in Charleston. Before that, spend seven years in Florence, SC. The less I say about Florence, the better. My parents still live in the upstate.

Been to Florence. They are intellectuals compared to some of the small towns I lived in.


Dillon SC FTW!!!

/If being ghetto means I win.
 
2011-02-08 02:25:20 PM  

jasimo: According to CIA factbook, 24% of US population is Catholic, yet they account for 39% of the prison population.
Does all that repression catch up with you? Socio-economic reasons?

Discuss


You might want to look at the religion of illegal immigrants...
 
2011-02-08 02:25:26 PM  

PostApocalypticTribe: Dillon SC FTW!!!


Oh you have got to be kidding.
 
2011-02-08 02:26:54 PM  

Marine1:
Yeah, basically. I mean, Christians are to blame for all of the world's problems on Fark.


As soon as you stop trying to legislate your religious beliefs so the rest of us have to suffer with them, you'll probably get some slack.

Until then, fark off.
 
2011-02-08 02:28:22 PM  

Epicedion: PostApocalypticTribe: Dillon SC FTW!!!

Oh you have got to be kidding.


Sadly, no.
 
2011-02-08 02:34:56 PM  
it must be tuff to clear you mind with all the noise going on in there, just think of the constant strip searches, the rape, the forced sodomy, grown men screaming in agony, the shower rape, the constant strip searches, the men raised on milk, with the screaming all night and the rape, some of them guys probably end up wearing panties by the time the night is over.
 
2011-02-08 02:38:20 PM  

Nabb1: So, let me get this straight, submitter, you read that entire article, and zoned in on the one paragraph that mentioned (practically in passing) the prison chaplains objected, resulting in a temporary stopping of the program until the warden reinstated it, and then drew the conclusion that all Christians objected to it? Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.


This is Fark so I'm guessing both.

Is a box of hair dumber than a box of rocks?
 
2011-02-08 02:39:35 PM  
God damn it Alabama Bible Humpin Fundie Southern Baptist Sect of Christianity!
 
2011-02-08 02:41:55 PM  

Happy Hours: Nabb1: So, let me get this straight, submitter, you read that entire article, and zoned in on the one paragraph that mentioned (practically in passing) the prison chaplains objected, resulting in a temporary stopping of the program until the warden reinstated it, and then drew the conclusion that all Christians objected to it? Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.

This is Fark so I'm guessing both.

Is a box of hair dumber than a box of rocks?


I like to hear, "As sharp as a balloon filled with cotton."
 
2011-02-08 02:42:01 PM  

Leeds: Statistics always seem to prove that Atheists are far more moral than those who believe in the gods. One has to wonder why though.


Atheist is, by and large, a term used by the well-educated and well-off. Lower socio-economic people are more likely to identify with the religion of their parents, even if they do not believe in it, for cultural reasons or simply because they spend less time studying religion and sociology and all the things that lead one to the term "atheist". So, the prisoner that doesn't really believe in God and hasn't been to Mass since they were 10 might still identify as Catholic. Those that actively reject their religion are likely to just say "I'm not religious" or "I don't believe in God" rather than use the word "atheist." Just like I'm sure that hedonists would be underrepresented in a survey of prisoners because it's not a word that is commonly used.

Since self-identification as "atheist" correlates well with money and education, it's not surprising that it's under represented in prison populations.
 
2011-02-08 02:45:13 PM  
Nabb1: So, let me get this straight, submitter, you read that entire article, and zoned in on the one paragraph that mentioned (practically in passing) the prison chaplains objected, resulting in a temporary stopping of the program until the warden reinstated it, and then drew the conclusion that all Christians objected to it? Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.

Try again - subby didn't say all christians objected to it. However, it could be argued that since the objector was a prison chaplain, that he's representative of many christians.

Kudos to the warden for reinstating a program that works. A swift kick in the nuts to the chaplain who objected to it, and several more to whichever mindless bureaucrat(s) in the state government listened to that farktard, and cancelled the program
 
2011-02-08 02:46:20 PM  
Leeds: [Evilness Quotient Table]

Nice table.

But I think that the catholics should get a 2x modifier to their evil quotient for the pedophilia incidents. Neither the pedophiles nor the clergy who covered-up/enabled them went to prison so they are missed in your statistics.
 
2011-02-08 02:50:37 PM  

hubiestubert: Which is odd, considering that the same technques are used in reflection or in extended prayer...


yup
 
2011-02-08 02:51:18 PM  

JimmyTheHutt: Marine1:
Yeah, basically. I mean, Christians are to blame for all of the world's problems on Fark.

As soon as you stop trying to legislate your religious beliefs so the rest of us have to suffer with them, you'll probably get some slack.

Until then, fark off.


You? Who's "you"? I don't put my beliefs down anyone's throat. I believe abortion is morally wrong, but I'm against the government making it illegal. I couldn't care less if someone smokes weed. I believe evolution should be taught in science class and that intelligent design discussions belong in the philosophy classroom.

Believe it or not, not all Christians are blowhards.

Tack your prejudice on someone else, pal.
 
2011-02-08 02:51:58 PM  

Nabb1: GWLush: Nabb1: So, let me get this straight, submitter, you read that entire article, and zoned in on the one paragraph that mentioned (practically in passing) the prison chaplains objected, resulting in a temporary stopping of the program until the warden reinstated it, and then drew the conclusion that all Christians objected to it? Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.

I am not the subby but I think he/she may be referring to the comments also.

I skimmed them. I thought they were mostly positive. I can't think of any Christians I know personally who are opposed to meditation. Of course, most of them are Catholic, not Southern Baptist. I am sure that there are folks in Alabama who think this is just going to put us all on the road straight to hell, but I mean, come on - it's Alabama.


You're either lying or getting Baptists confused with Southern Baptist.

/raised Southern Baptist
//probably why I'm an atheist now.
///our church library had all the Chick tracts.
 
2011-02-08 02:52:14 PM  

Nabb1: So, let me get this straight, submitter, you read that entire article, and zoned in on the one paragraph that mentioned (practically in passing) the prison chaplains objected, resulting in a temporary stopping of the program until the warden reinstated it, and then drew the conclusion that all Christians objected to it? Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.


Watch the video of the trailer for the film. A lot of its about the religious reaction to this helpful program.

I'd bet money if this program gains in popularity, it will be ended in this and other prisons precisely because the religious right will feel threatened.
 
2011-02-08 02:53:06 PM  
Is there a running joke that if you put "for some reason christians have a problem with this" at the end of your submission you automatically get a green light? I no longer get the humor or irony in it, the joke, if it ever was one, was killed a long long time ago
 
2011-02-08 02:54:33 PM  

Marine1: I mean, Christians are to blame for all of the world's problems on Fark.


They are certainly more to blame for the US problems than Muslims are. Not that you'd know that watching our media.
 
2011-02-08 02:56:44 PM  

bartink: Marine1: I mean, Christians are to blame for all of the world's problems on Fark.

They are certainly more to blame for the US problems than Muslims are. Not that you'd know that watching our media.


Personally, I think it lies with the atheists... I mean, who else can call a person schizophrenic because of their beliefs (in this case, in a higher power) and not get sued for slander?


/trolling
 
2011-02-08 02:57:01 PM  
Simple cure,

put them in cells, don't let them out, ever. It is prison, not Romper Room.
 
2011-02-08 03:01:36 PM  

Marine1: intelligent design discussions belong in the philosophy classroom.


ID itself, I think it's bad religion masquerading as poor science.

If you want to do religion in school, create a class, and make it comprehensive, but don't dumb down science and religion for idiots who can't comprehend both.
 
2011-02-08 03:04:42 PM  

Marine1: Personally, I think it lies with the atheists... I mean, who else can call a person schizophrenic because of their beliefs (in this case, in a higher power) and not get sued for slander?


Don't be silly. The religious are not, as a rule, schizophrenic. They are victims of childhood indoctrination.

/I blame the parents
 
2011-02-08 03:04:51 PM  

Marine1: Personally, I think it lies with the atheists... I mean, who else can call a person schizophrenic because of their beliefs (in this case, in a higher power) and not get sued for slander?


/trolling


Its interesting though. Here you have basically a secular program feared by religious folks. Why?

I think its a combination of fear of anything different culturally and the close-mindedness practiced by Southern fundamentalist. While this isn't the fault of Christianity, I do think blame lays squarely at the feet of fundamentalist Christianity.

And I do know something about Vipassana, as I have sat a couple ten day courses and served another couple.
 
2011-02-08 03:05:31 PM  

Nabb1: So, let me get this straight, submitter, you read that entire article, and zoned in on the one paragraph that mentioned (practically in passing) the prison chaplains objected, resulting in a temporary stopping of the program until the warden reinstated it, and then drew the conclusion that all Christians objected to it? Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.


Where are you getting all from? Pluralization does not work that way. Obviously the chaplains are Christians... and thus the statement is completely valid.

/but this is FARK, so go ahead and get the sand in there good.
 
2011-02-08 03:10:04 PM  

Farking Canuck: Don't be silly. The religious are not, as a rule, schizophrenic. They are victims of childhood indoctrination.

/I blame the parents


Only the ones who believe God speaks to them are the schizophrenics, like Moses, or Saul of Tarsus.

Religious people do suffer from at least a mild form of Delusional Disorder though.

Not surprisingly, researchers also suggest that these disorders are the result of early childhood experiences with an authoritarian family structure.
 
2011-02-08 03:11:38 PM  

Kali-Yuga: Religious people do suffer from at least a mild form of Delusional Disorder though.


[Citation Needed]
 
2011-02-08 03:15:13 PM  

Kali-Yuga: Only the ones who believe God speaks to them are the schizophrenics, like Moses, or Saul of Tarsus.


And Glenn Beck.

// Not even kidding- Look at his quotes from the MLK rally debacle
 
2011-02-08 03:29:25 PM  

Nabb1: So, let me get this straight, submitter, you read that entire article, and zoned in on the one paragraph that mentioned (practically in passing) the prison chaplains objected, resulting in a temporary stopping of the program until the warden reinstated it, and then drew the conclusion that all Christians objected to it? Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair.


Where did you see the word "all"?
 
2011-02-08 03:36:08 PM  

Leeds: Statistics always seem to prove that Atheists are far more moral than those who believe in the gods. One has to wonder why though.


interesting statement, coming from a known liar

it's a shame we don't put all liars in jail, perhaps that would help with your statistical research?

oh and btw what is this "moral" word you speak of? what does it mean?
 
2011-02-08 03:38:29 PM  
A "known liar?"

Is this the title you give to people who prove your idiocy in religion threads?

Do go on, one of limited intelligence, do go on.
 
2011-02-08 03:38:40 PM  

bartink: Kali-Yuga: Religious people do suffer from at least a mild form of Delusional Disorder though.

[Citation Needed]


The DSM-IV omits any psychological illness based on religion out of some form of political correctness, but the diagnostic criteria match.


Delusion - A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary.
 
2011-02-08 03:43:02 PM  

Nabb1: Either you're trolling for a green light or you are as dumb as a box of hair


welcome to fark

ya know those aren't mutually exclusive, i call it the IB for short
 
2011-02-08 03:43:46 PM  
"Incontrovertible" is where your theory breaks down, Kali.

I would suggest that there is quite a bit of dispute still going on regarding the gods. For this reason, the suggestion that religious folks suffer from a "delusional disorder" cannot logically be claimed as fact.
 
2011-02-08 03:49:27 PM  

Leeds: "Incontrovertible" is where your theory breaks down, Kali.


Just because the delusion is widespread doesn't make it any more true.
 
2011-02-08 03:50:12 PM  

Leeds: Is this the title you give to people who prove your idiocy in religion threads?


nope it's the title i give known liars, because it is well known (and documented) that certain people engage in bearing false witness

let's test your theory:

please present the evidence in which you proved my idiocy in religion threads

just try not to cite the threads where you claimed to have reviewed and understood simple card logic games, because,... er... um... well you know *wink wink, nudge nudge*

what were we talking about again? ah yes, my idiocy

do you have some proof?

and while we're waiting, lets see if you can even define morality, since you seem to be an expert on the subject

then we can hear your case about whether or not atheists are more moral than xtians :)
 
2011-02-08 03:53:56 PM  
So, if you have them preoccupied with something, the incidence of violence goes down. I see...
 
2011-02-08 03:55:00 PM  

Kali-Yuga: Delusion - A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary.


What incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence do you have that God doesn't exist?

/Devil's advocate
//stolen from another thread
 
2011-02-08 03:56:00 PM  
IDW- Get it through your pathetically thick skull that no one likes you on Fark. You are the joke that at first makes us snicker with superiority and in the end makes us saddened for the human race.

YOU came here and suggested that I have lied. I have not.

YOU came here pretending that there is a problem correlating crime with a lack of morals.

All of your wild and/or useless assertions are yours to prove, not ours.

This is why you have no friends, loser.
 
2011-02-08 03:57:36 PM  
PS- Your attempts at misdirection don't change the fact that you came here, stated two lies and then say back and waited for the outrage- F*ck you, troll.
 
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