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2011-02-08 05:21:04 PM  

Hydra: Obama doesn't know how a capitalist economy works. Neither do the people railing against the "profit motive." It's like they're a second-year pre-med bio major trying to perform open heart surgery while blindfolded.



I think Obama is doing it Wrong when it comes to dealing with business. On the other hand, there is a lot of simplified thought going into making decisions about business. Yes capitalism functions efficiently and it might be the right decision for a business to lay off workers, or stop hiring Americans and hire third world labor at near slave wages.

But there's only so far we as a nation can push that ideal. Sure, Bob down the street got laid off, but I'm a small business owner happily paying my bills! Go capitalism!

Then Jane gets laid off next door, then Tom across the street, then Steve a block over, then Joe on the corner. Suddenly my company manufacturing emergency raincoats is running nice and efficiently, but I have no business in America because no one can afford it, and I can't live in my own neighborhood anymore because everyone is poor and I don't feel safe.

Capitalism's fark The Neighbors attitude works fine as long as the nation is growing as a whole, but free markets mean we're going to end up with a serious underclass here at home.

The "Service Industry" accounts for a large portion of our economy already (One third I believe?). People serving captains of industry lattes at Starbucks can't afford the nice things those companies depend on for revenue.

ANd suddenly we're blaming poor people again for ruining the economy.
 
2011-02-08 05:21:27 PM  
Obama to Bill O'Riley -- I do not believe in wealth redistribution>

Obama to Corp CEOs -- Company profits need to be shared with the employees.
 
2011-02-08 05:22:30 PM  

edlmco: stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street


Just curious--how many of those did Ronald Reagan ever have to do?
 
2011-02-08 05:22:48 PM  
So let us begin anew - remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.

Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belabouring those problems which divide us.

Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms - and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations.

Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce.

Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah - to "undo the heavy burdens -. and to let the oppressed go free."

And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavour, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.

All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.

In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.

Now the trumpet summons us again - not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are - but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation" - a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.

Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?

In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shank from this responsibility - I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavour will light our country and all who serve it -- and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.

Be the ball. Win the future. There is no spoon. JFK is out! Peace!
 
2011-02-08 05:23:26 PM  

RexTalionis: Speaking as an attorney (and I assume you're probably not one),

You are a person who:
Never construed a law
Never written a legal opinion
Never attended law school
Never taken the bar
Never interviewed a client to review the merits of a claim
Never spent hundreds of hours sitting in a law library somewhere doing research
Never written a law review article
Never studied constitutional history and constitutional law
Never filed any substantive legal document (except pro se stuff like small claims)
Never had to file a case
Never had to work 15 hours a day on a legal case

By the same coin, you have no idea in the universe what it means to analyze and speak substantively on the law, yet I'm sure you've at least said at least one law is unconstitutional (without really knowing what unconstitutionality really entails).

Also, seriously, express your own opinions. Don't steal someone else's.


And that, my friend, is why you get to keep that handle without any crap from me whatsoever. Well served.
 
2011-02-08 05:24:02 PM  

RexTalionis: (without really knowing what unconstitutionality really entails).


Ah. A law degree and commensurate work experience is required to understand what falls under "enumerated powers", and what doesn't? Forgive me, oh exalted one, for rejecting your assertion, but I feel uppity today.
 
2011-02-08 05:25:48 PM  

almex: RexTalionis, while it means nothing to you, that just earned you a place on my favorites list. Well played.


Agreed. Well done.

/It merits noting that BHO is a former Constitutional law professor
 
2011-02-08 05:26:53 PM  
Weaver95

look...dude...I'm about as big a capitalist as you can get and still be sane.

Wrong. You may want to think you are a capitalist, but when I read the rest of your drivel, you are spouting nothing more that the standard leftist/borderline conspiracy theorist explanations for 'corporations'


so lemme see if I can explain something to ya: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'. .......
welcome to the machine.


So, you think that all corporations are evil and just want to grind the good worker into the dirt.

Well, since you hate them so much, I assume you made your own house, car, food, clothes, furniture, televisions, TV stations, movies, electric, water, AC, heating, personal airplane, ski resort, bank, and on and on, right?

Also, I assume you run your own, small business and give away your product for cost or less, using only the supplies that you can get on your own, and have your own delivery service, processing service, use your own method of exchanging goods and services for money, right sport?

See, it is this kind of simplistic thinking that just shows how out of touch people are. Corporations exist to make money to be sure, but they make money for all of their share-holders (please tell me you don't own any stocks, right, or your retirement is just all the money in your mattress, not a bank, 401K, etc). They make money by providing a service that people are willing to pay for. Cars - GM, Ford, Toyota, etc, Food/Supermarkets - Giant, Shoppers, Albertsons, Movies/Tv shows, electronics, I can go on and on. Yes, they want to make money, but they also employ literally Billions of people and provide goods and services that we all want. They aren't evil or the boogeyman, they want to maximize profits and get as large of a share of the market as they can.

Stop being such a whiny, leftist shill and think for yourself just once in a while. What Obama said is that corporations should view government regulations as being good, but anytime the government makes the companies spend more money trying to meet or enforce more and more regulations, the less money they have to employ people or pay to their stockholders. That is bad.
 
2011-02-08 05:27:11 PM  

Robo Beat: It merits noting that BHO is a former Constitutional law professor


You left out "editor of the Harvard Law Review"
 
2011-02-08 05:27:20 PM  

EatHam: Not only that, but if they do skew towards the "greater good", their shareholders will sue them, and win.


The shareholders may not sue them, and winning would be very difficult. See the standard is shareholder returns, not profits. It was only in the 80s when idjits like Carl Icahn got involved it was turned to profits. And also it was then such lawsuits even started being filed.
 
2011-02-08 05:27:21 PM  

Iwouldhitit: edlmco: stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street

Just curious--how many of those did Ronald Reagan ever have to do?


Very few, if any, I would wager. Reagan was, after all, an actor, a union leader, and a politician.
 
2011-02-08 05:29:02 PM  

notShryke: RexTalionis: (without really knowing what unconstitutionality really entails).

Ah. A law degree and commensurate work experience is required to understand what falls under "enumerated powers", and what doesn't? Forgive me, oh exalted one, for rejecting your assertion, but I feel uppity today.


Fun fact, my uppity friend, the words "enumerated powers" doesn't appear a single time in the US Constitution.
 
2011-02-08 05:29:28 PM  

Weaver95: look...dude...I'm about as big a capitalist as you can get and still be sane. so lemme see if I can explain something to ya: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'. they care about one thing: maximum profits. that's it.


Testify! I'm not anti-capitalist. I've seen the good things corporations can be used for. But that's used for. Nothing good they do is even slightly motivated by inherent interest. It all comes back to money.

The company I work for prides itself on quality and service. They deal with customers and business partners honestly. Why, because they're ethical? Of course not. It's merely to provide an alternative to competitors which provide no service at all, lie like crazy and wouldn't know quality if it punched them in the face. You definitely want companies to compete and innovate, but they need to be kept on a short leash.
 
2011-02-08 05:30:17 PM  

btfoom: they want to maximize profits


In doing this they can actually hurt their own future stability and growth. You can increase your profits by cutting R&D or IT spending, but it might be a bad idea to do that.
 
2011-02-08 05:30:53 PM  

Robo Beat: Very few, if any, I would wager. Reagan was, after all, an actor, a union leader, and a politician.


Sounds like a formula for a goddamn lieberal if you ask me.
 
2011-02-08 05:31:06 PM  

btfoom: Wrong. You may want to think you are a capitalist, but when I read the rest of your drivel, you are spouting nothing more that the standard leftist/borderline conspiracy theorist explanations for 'corporations'


This, my friends, is a good example of a capitalist who is NOT sane.
 
2011-02-08 05:31:58 PM  
I got a better deal for the CEOs. We'll give your company a tax cut and not close loop-holes for your tax haven packing if you start hiring American workers and pay them better. Deal? No? Then stick it where the sun don't shine and enjoy the increased taxes. 85 out of 100 companies have been shown to be hiding profits in off shore tax havens. It's time for them to pay the piper.

And while we are at it... let's start taxing religious centers. They are currently at 0% with some of the employees at 3%. Excuse me if I say that the needs of the people outweigh the needs of the religious. And besides, didn't Jesus say something about being a pauper to get into heaven? Surely the churches would support this.
 
2011-02-08 05:32:04 PM  
Any business that has to have a bunch of tax breaks to survive should instead be allowed to fail. That's the free market.

I have to pay taxes on my income, you should pay taxes on yours.
 
2011-02-08 05:32:26 PM  

RexTalionis: notShryke: RexTalionis: (without really knowing what unconstitutionality really entails).

Ah. A law degree and commensurate work experience is required to understand what falls under "enumerated powers", and what doesn't? Forgive me, oh exalted one, for rejecting your assertion, but I feel uppity today.

Fun fact, my uppity friend, the words "enumerated powers" doesn't appear a single time in the US Constitution.


So what? Are you disputing my claim?
 
2011-02-08 05:33:02 PM  

Weaver95: grind it into your skull - corporations do. not. care. they are a necessary evil,


FTFY.
 
2011-02-08 05:34:39 PM  
Someone tell these CEO's that hiring people is its own tax break. Since corporations pay taxes on what's left after expenses have been paid, if you spend more on employees, you end up with a lower tax bill.
 
2011-02-08 05:35:16 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: LasersHurt: Weaver95:

That's exactly why I can't wait for the death of the for-profit motive. I'll be dead long before it, mind you, but it will be nice for whoever is alive.

The people that try to bring about the death of the for-profit motive will be killed and their meat will be sold at auction for profit.


/FTFY
 
2011-02-08 05:36:18 PM  

Hydra: Shakin_Haitian: So when people do research on diseases, they must first have the disease? I don't understand the point of your post? Obama wasn't elected to be a god damn CEO.

No, but the doctor working on you better know how a body works and what makes diseases go away.

Obama doesn't know how a capitalist economy works. Neither do the people railing against the "profit motive." It's like they're a second-year pre-med bio major trying to perform open heart surgery while blindfolded.


I have a hard time finding folks credible on capitalist economies while they completely ignore-if-not-dismiss the demand side of the market.
 
2011-02-08 05:36:20 PM  
and JFK said businessmen were S.O.B.'s, and he was right
 
2011-02-08 05:38:46 PM  

Snarky Acronym: and JFK said businessmen were S.O.B.'s, and he was right


Hell, he just had to look at his own dad to figure that out.
 
2011-02-08 05:41:59 PM  

edlmco: stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business,


And thank god for all this. Running the government like a business and for the betterment of business as per the model established with Reagan and reinforced by Clinton has been an absolute disaster for America. We need less business people in government whose minds are only programmed to look one fiscal quarter into the future.

yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.

Again, the only reason they're not doing this in the first place is because business never looks past next quarter's profits; they lack the collective foresight and coordination necessary to make broad social and economic decisions even if it's something that would make more money for them in the future.
 
2011-02-08 05:42:31 PM  

theMightyRegeya: Beeblebrox: LasersHurt: Weaver95:

That's exactly why I can't wait for the death of the for-profit motive. I'll be dead long before it, mind you, but it will be nice for whoever is alive.

Perhaps when the entire nation (or planet) can agree on the one thing that can replace it.

Probably won't happen soon. We have too many people around who seem to think, despite every other social system around having positives and negatives, capitalism is perfect, and that the thing we need to fix our current capitalism is more capitalism.


I don't know if many think capitalism is perfect. The U.S. is pretty far from a purely capitalist system anyway.
 
2011-02-08 05:44:27 PM  
Welcom to the new Gilded age.

Oh, and capitalism is what corporatist greedheads hide behind.
 
2011-02-08 05:45:02 PM  
Here's the story behind the JFK quote.
The Steel Crisis of 1962

The "steel crisis" emerged when, just 4 days after ten of eleven major steel producers had signed a new contract with their workers, U.S. Steel, the largest of them with about 25% of the market, announced an across-the-board 3.5% increase in prices. The Kennedy administration had just hailed the pact as "non-inflationary," and indeed Labor Secretary Arthur Goldberg had been personally involved in the months-long negotiations and had used his prestige with labor to secure their agreement to no wage increases and only modest increases in fringe benefits.

Though the Kennedy administration had never directly asked the steel industry to hold prices, regarding that as improper, Kennedy and his advisors clearly felt there was a tacit agreement, and that they had been double-crossed. Coming right on the heels of the signed labor contract, the announcement seemed to be a deliberate attempt to tell the Democratic President that he didn't tell American business what to do. The stakes were higher than a simple personal affront; the importance of steel in the economy meant the high likelihood that the price increase would trigger further price jumps across many sectors, and kick off a new round of inflation. Kennedy was furious, telling advisors:

"My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of biatches, but I never believed it until now."


Source: http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/JFK_and_Steel,_Bush_and_Oil
 
2011-02-08 05:46:08 PM  

Philip J. Fry: Capitalism's fark The Neighbors attitude works fine as long as the nation is growing as a whole, but free markets mean we're going to end up with a serious underclass here at home.


Exactly.

What happens when two economies meet? And let's say that one has a very high standard of living and the other has a very low standard of living. Do you think that the lower one rises to the level of the higher one? Well, it probably does rise, but the higher one will drop as well. Why? Because the higher one can't compete on a level playing field with the lower cost of labor that the lower one brings to the table. It's simple supply and demand. Business is going to go where production costs are lowest. And that's exactly what is happening here in this country right now. Our well-paying jobs are leaving because we can't compete with the cheaper labor costs in other countries. Well, I guess we could compete if we were all willing to work for a lot less and lose all the environmental and worker safety regulations and health care benefits and all those other annoying things that companies don't have to deal with in other parts of the world.

So ya, the underclass is going to grow bigger. And since we don't want to become Socialist Communist Marxist Fascist Un-American Obamunists we will effectively do nothing about it.
 
2011-02-08 05:46:43 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Someone tell these CEO's that hiring people is its own tax break. Since corporations pay taxes on what's left after expenses have been paid, if you spend more on employees, you end up with a lower tax bill.


Corporations do not pay taxes. It is a cost of doing business and is passed on to the consumer.
 
2011-02-08 05:47:25 PM  
lol obama....

reading words from a teleprompter will get you played.

words and speeches got obama votes, but now that he's president.... that's all he still has... except now he's playing high stakes poker and getting rolled.
 
2011-02-08 05:50:13 PM  

140toesandfingers: WhyteRaven74: Someone tell these CEO's that hiring people is its own tax break. Since corporations pay taxes on what's left after expenses have been paid, if you spend more on employees, you end up with a lower tax bill.

Corporations do not pay taxes. It is a cost of doing business and is passed on to the consumer.


Maybe. If we really have competition in this country then the business that can do a better job of absorbing taxes will increase their overall business by being able to offer a lower price. So tax increases don't automatically mean higher prices, at least if there truly is competition in a market.
 
2011-02-08 05:55:58 PM  

140toesandfingers: is passed on to the consumer.


So you raise your prices, which raises your revenues, which raises profit before tax, which raises your tax bill.
 
2011-02-08 05:56:54 PM  

Weaver95: Speaking to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the president urged the business community to help accelerate the slow economic recovery by increasing hiring and unleashing some of the $2 trillion piling up on their balance sheets.

look...dude...I'm about as big a capitalist as you can get and still be sane. so lemme see if I can explain something to ya: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'. they care about one thing: maximum profits. that's it. they don't care about jobs, they don't care about approval ratings, they don't care about morality or ethics. they care about money. they care about how much money they've got, how much they have to spend and how to make more money.

grind it into your skull - corporations do. not. care. they are a necessary evil, and they can do some really great things for you and your economy...but the moment the economic situation changes, they will abandon you to your fate. Use corporations to accomplish your goals. NEVER trust them. Always assume that a corporation will f*ck you over first chance they get. If they behave, hey - that's great! But you'll want a big stick handy just in case they turn against you.

so don't try appealing to the better side of a corporation - they don't have one. instead - focus your efforts on finding ways to get corporations to accomplish your goals. if you have to lie, manipulate and/or resort to outright thuggery in order to bring a corporation to heel then do so...because if situations were reversed, a corporation can and will do so to you and your country.

welcome to the machine.


I don't know Weaver. I'm quickly getting to the point that outlawing corporations may be the only responsible thing to do. Corporations are, by their very nature, immoral. Even those that claim to honor "religious principles" are scum.

What is the point of allowing blatantly anti-American crap like this? Heck it's not even WASP work ethic at the top (c-level) anymore for large multi-national corps.
 
2011-02-08 05:57:05 PM  

Pincy: 140toesandfingers: WhyteRaven74: Someone tell these CEO's that hiring people is its own tax break. Since corporations pay taxes on what's left after expenses have been paid, if you spend more on employees, you end up with a lower tax bill.

Corporations do not pay taxes. It is a cost of doing business and is passed on to the consumer.

Maybe. If we really have competition in this country then the business that can do a better job of absorbing taxes will increase their overall business by being able to offer a lower price. So tax increases don't automatically mean higher prices, at least if there truly is competition in a market.


Once money is taxed it is destroyed. It has to be borrowed back into existence. The more time a dollar can be turned over before it is destroyed the more money the government and corporations will create.
 
2011-02-08 05:57:53 PM  

Pincy: So tax increases don't automatically mean higher prices, at least if there truly is competition in a market.


Plus you can always buy new equipment, which gives you not only a tax break in the current year, but in subsequent years as you can deduct depreciation from your taxes.
 
2011-02-08 05:58:44 PM  

140toesandfingers: Once money is taxed it is destroyed


LOL wut?
 
2011-02-08 06:00:11 PM  

WhyteRaven74: In doing this they can actually hurt their own future stability and growth. You can increase your profits by cutting R&D or IT spending, but it might be a bad idea to do that.


I think these days long range planning means next quarter.
 
2011-02-08 06:01:27 PM  
Corporations are evil by design, the more evil the more successful, if they weren't evil they would fail, that's just a fact.
Most of the largest corporations have already come to the conclusion that Obama isn't on their side enough (100% or greater) and so they will do everything they can to make sure he fails to be re-elected and someone else (republican) gets elected, in fact i'm surprised that Obama hasn't been assassinated by corporate hitmen already.

/not even trollin'
 
2011-02-08 06:01:38 PM  
I don't know Weaver. I'm quickly getting to the point that outlawing corporations may be the only responsible thing to do. Corporations are, by their very nature, immoral. Even those that claim to honor "religious principles" are scum.

What is the point of allowing blatantly anti-American crap like this? Heck it's not even WASP work ethic at the top (c-level) anymore for large multi-national corps.


Name a country that has done this and was successful.
 
2011-02-08 06:02:40 PM  
What an ass Bruce Josten, the Chamber's chief lobbyist pimp is.

Not just an ass but a Consummate Ass.

In the words of Clark Griswald-

I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shiat he is!
 
2011-02-08 06:04:15 PM  

WhyteRaven74: 140toesandfingers: Once money is taxed it is destroyed

LOL wut?


Where do you think a dollar bill comes from? Money has to be borrowed into existance.
 
2011-02-08 06:05:23 PM  
Over the last couple years, the majority of Americans have come to the realization that large companies do not stand for the greater good.

Our President is not a socialist or a communist.
Our President is a capitalist.
 
2011-02-08 06:09:00 PM  

edlmco: stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


Kinda like Teddy Roosevelt? Jeez...enough already.
 
2011-02-08 06:09:56 PM  

Brick-House: Obama to Corp CEOs -- Company profits need to be shared with the employees


Corp CEOs to Obama:

i3.photobucket.com
 
2011-02-08 06:12:29 PM  

unlikely: I hereby swear:

I will vote for the candidate that says "Yes, it is time to raise taxes and pay the bills."


I'll vote for the one that will actually DO IT.

/It's going to be a long wait...
 
2011-02-08 06:16:52 PM  
If you don't give them tax breaks, the economy will tank.

/Oh, wait.
 
2011-02-08 06:19:40 PM  

Brick-House: Obama to Bill O'Riley -- I do not believe in wealth redistribution

Obama to Corp CEOs -- Company profits need to be shared with the employees.


the employees are creating those profits and are not being fairly compensated for their work. there are even graphs to support that point:
i55.tinypic.com

but you know hasn't suffered? the boards and CEOs:
www.epi.org
 
2011-02-08 06:20:24 PM  
btfoom
Wrong. You may want to think you are a capitalist, but when I read the rest of your drivel, you are spouting nothing more that the standard leftist/borderline conspiracy theorist explanations for 'corporations'

This is amusing.


TheJoeY
I have a hard time finding folks credible on capitalist economies while they completely ignore-if-not-dismiss the demand side of the market.

but but but everyone is infinitely greedy

(this is what capitalists actually believe!)
 
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