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2011-02-08 01:13:13 PM  
CEOs to Obama: "We will let you give us tax breaks"

But we won't look at you while we fark you
 
2011-02-08 01:27:08 PM  
Speaking to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the president urged the business community to help accelerate the slow economic recovery by increasing hiring and unleashing some of the $2 trillion piling up on their balance sheets.

look...dude...I'm about as big a capitalist as you can get and still be sane. so lemme see if I can explain something to ya: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'. they care about one thing: maximum profits. that's it. they don't care about jobs, they don't care about approval ratings, they don't care about morality or ethics. they care about money. they care about how much money they've got, how much they have to spend and how to make more money.

grind it into your skull - corporations do. not. care. they are a necessary evil, and they can do some really great things for you and your economy...but the moment the economic situation changes, they will abandon you to your fate. Use corporations to accomplish your goals. NEVER trust them. Always assume that a corporation will f*ck you over first chance they get. If they behave, hey - that's great! But you'll want a big stick handy just in case they turn against you.

so don't try appealing to the better side of a corporation - they don't have one. instead - focus your efforts on finding ways to get corporations to accomplish your goals. if you have to lie, manipulate and/or resort to outright thuggery in order to bring a corporation to heel then do so...because if situations were reversed, a corporation can and will do so to you and your country.

welcome to the machine.
 
2011-02-08 01:34:01 PM  

Aar1012: But we won't look at you while we fark you


Obama is the Dorothy Vallens for Frank Booth's CEO love ovens.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-02-08 01:51:36 PM  
Weaver95:

That's exactly why I can't wait for the death of the for-profit motive. I'll be dead long before it, mind you, but it will be nice for whoever is alive.
 
2011-02-08 01:56:00 PM  

Weaver95: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'.


Not only that, but if they do skew towards the "greater good", their shareholders will sue them, and win.
 
2011-02-08 04:42:44 PM  
Tax Revenue is now lowest it has ever been as a percent of GDP.

Corporate profits are at a record level.

Yet somehow asking the rich to pay their fair share is socialism. Pfft.
 
2011-02-08 04:45:33 PM  
You would think they would have the courtesy to at least give us a reach-around.
 
2011-02-08 04:47:44 PM  

EatHam: Weaver95: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'.

Not only that, but if they do skew towards the "greater good", their shareholders will sue them, and win.


And yet their status as "persons" is being continually reinforced. It's only a matter of time before the US Supreme Court says that they too have the right to vote, and that one vote per thousand dollars of market capitalization seems fair.

/half-kidding
 
2011-02-08 04:48:02 PM  
I hereby swear:

I will vote for the candidate that says "Yes, it is time to raise taxes and pay the bills."
 
2011-02-08 04:48:46 PM  

LasersHurt: Weaver95:

That's exactly why I can't wait for the death of the for-profit motive. I'll be dead long before it, mind you, but it will be nice for whoever is alive.


Unfortunately the profit motive will only die when all human life dies, so the celebration might be a bit muted.
 
2011-02-08 04:49:47 PM  

LasersHurt: Weaver95:

That's exactly why I can't wait for the death of the for-profit motive. I'll be dead long before it, mind you, but it will be nice for whoever is alive.


Perhaps when the entire nation (or planet) can agree on the one thing that can replace it.
 
2011-02-08 04:51:34 PM  

Nightsweat: Tax Revenue is now lowest it has ever been as a percent of GDP.

Corporate profits are at a record level.

Yet somehow asking the rich to pay their fair share is socialism. Pfft.


not just socialism, but EVIL COMMIE class warfare socialism...

we should total give more the wealthy, they are sooooo struggling:

2.bp.blogspot.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

/if it's war, the rich are winning
 
2011-02-08 04:52:10 PM  
When greedy bloodsucking companies offshore jobs, their tax rate should be raised to 100%.
 
2011-02-08 04:54:15 PM  

Weaver95: Speaking to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the president urged the business community to help accelerate the slow economic recovery by increasing hiring and unleashing some of the $2 trillion piling up on their balance sheets.

look...dude...I'm about as big a capitalist as you can get and still be sane. so lemme see if I can explain something to ya: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'. they care about one thing: maximum profits. that's it. they don't care about jobs, they don't care about approval ratings, they don't care about morality or ethics. they care about money. they care about how much money they've got, how much they have to spend and how to make more money.

grind it into your skull - corporations do. not. care. they are a necessary evil, and they can do some really great things for you and your economy...but the moment the economic situation changes, they will abandon you to your fate. Use corporations to accomplish your goals. NEVER trust them. Always assume that a corporation will f*ck you over first chance they get. If they behave, hey - that's great! But you'll want a big stick handy just in case they turn against you.

so don't try appealing to the better side of a corporation - they don't have one. instead - focus your efforts on finding ways to get corporations to accomplish your goals. if you have to lie, manipulate and/or resort to outright thuggery in order to bring a corporation to heel then do so...because if situations were reversed, a corporation can and will do so to you and your country.

welcome to the machine.


And yet there are millions of Americans who have a strong faith that if we just stop regulating corporations, and we eliminate checks on their power like unions, their lives will improve and the kind, benevolent corporations really will take care of them.
 
2011-02-08 04:55:15 PM  
stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.
 
2011-02-08 04:56:04 PM  

EatHam: Weaver95: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'.

Not only that, but if they do skew towards the "greater good", their shareholders will sue them, and win.


So you guys are for effective government regulation of businesses?
 
2011-02-08 04:56:47 PM  

LasersHurt: Weaver95:

That's exactly why I can't wait for the death of the for-profit motive. I'll be dead long before it, mind you, but it will be nice for whoever is alive.


The people that try to bring about the death of the for-profit motive will be killed and their meat will be sold at auction.
 
2011-02-08 04:57:40 PM  
That CEOs during the post-war era considered themselves beneficent overlords is an historical aberration. That time is not coming back - shareholders no longer look at long-term profitability, only the quarterly balance sheet. The social contract was torn up by trickle-down economics and elevation of greed as good.
 
2011-02-08 04:57:54 PM  

Beeblebrox: LasersHurt: Weaver95:

That's exactly why I can't wait for the death of the for-profit motive. I'll be dead long before it, mind you, but it will be nice for whoever is alive.

Perhaps when the entire nation (or planet) can agree on the one thing that can replace it.


Probably won't happen soon. We have too many people around who seem to think, despite every other social system around having positives and negatives, capitalism is perfect, and that the thing we need to fix our current capitalism is more capitalism.
 
2011-02-08 04:58:29 PM  
Welcome to the new Corporate-owned world, where forests are property of Phizer, the Oceans owned by both Coca-Cola and Pepsi, and you are property of the company you work with.

/Been reading Jeniffer Government lately
 
2011-02-08 05:00:22 PM  

macdaddy357: When greedy bloodsucking companies offshore jobs, their tax rate should be raised to 100%.


You get a tax break for that. No kidding.
 
2011-02-08 05:01:43 PM  

macdaddy357: When greedy bloodsucking companies offshore jobs, their tax rate should be raised to 100%.


This is why we can't have rational discussion about limiting corporate influence.
 
2011-02-08 05:03:18 PM  
Give them a tax amnesty on all new hires. I know, I know. That wouldn't punish them for being rich.
 
2011-02-08 05:03:30 PM  

edlmco: In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business


George W. Bush ran a number of businesses. He really helped our country out.
 
2011-02-08 05:03:45 PM  

edlmco: In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


And Yet a large percent of the Republicans would rather have bigger morons like Sarah Palin in office. People who not only lack the things you just listed, but are even less educated.
 
2011-02-08 05:04:54 PM  

edlmco: stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


So when people do research on diseases, they must first have the disease? I don't understand the point of your post? Obama wasn't elected to be a god damn CEO.
 
2011-02-08 05:06:10 PM  

edlmco:
Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


You really think Obama sits behind a desk and comes up with all this stuff from his own head? That he doesn't have cadres of staffers, handlers, and talking heads shaping everything about his agenda?

Obama is the symbol of the presidency and thus the de facto scapegoat for much of the nation's problems (as it is for every president), but one of the biggest things I took away from a class on the presidency I took as an undergrad was how little control he actually has. He didn't even write the speech you heard.

Kinda like how you hear about how Cheney was Bush's puppetmaster. Just because Obama may not have done those things doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people on his staff who have, and a lot of lobbyists making sure he's aware of those issues. I suspect he has some idea in the universe...
 
2011-02-08 05:06:10 PM  

edlmco: Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.


Maybe you'd like Bush back? You know, the guy who was adept at running companies into the ground.
 
2011-02-08 05:06:54 PM  

edlmco: stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

*snipcopypastawhargarbl*


And? Dubya sure as hell never did that. Clinton, either. Neither did Reagan. I think Bush I and Carter did, though. Huh, both one-termers, too. Odd that.

Basically, to be President, everyone should have experienced and be an expert on every bootstrappy thing possible- or, barring that, you can spin their minimal/non-existent experience as being groundshaking in nature. I'm guessing you generally go with option #2.
 
2011-02-08 05:07:02 PM  

edlmco: [a bunch of never statements clipped for space]

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


yeah, i'm pretty sure he's probably more done a couple of those in his pre-socialist dictator days...also, for the majority of americans the private sector is the enemy. corporation would love longer working hours, less safety regulation, no consumer protections, etc. if you don't want to live in a third world country you have to fight corporations. as Weaver95 said they are farking evil and out to kill you. that's their job.

/hell, i've hired attorneys & accountants and hired people
 
2011-02-08 05:07:31 PM  

LasersHurt: Weaver95:

That's exactly why I can't wait for the death of the for-profit motive. I'll be dead long before it, mind you, but it will be nice for whoever is alive.


Are you a non-profit photographer or something?
 
2011-02-08 05:07:48 PM  
solution:

remove limited liability from corporate owners and stockholders

the problem will fix itself

(also remove immunity from police, judges and prosecutors)
 
2011-02-08 05:08:34 PM  
edlmco


In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


*shrugs*

All oncology doctors have had cancer
All IVF doctors are infertile

Don't be greedy pricks that destroy America seems to be an okay message to me.

Whatever...
 
2011-02-08 05:09:12 PM  
Somebody needs to give the "ask what you can do for your country" speech to the politicians themselves. Too many (all?) get into the government biz solely to benefit themselves and their buddies.
 
2011-02-08 05:09:38 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: remove limited liability from corporate owners and stockholders


So when a company farks up and gets caught doing something illegal, every shareholder gets to go to jail?

Great plan there.
 
2011-02-08 05:09:46 PM  
holy crap, you're gonna need a bigger boat.
 
2011-02-08 05:12:37 PM  
Cut all taxes to zero, and all problems go away.
IT'S SIMPLE F*CKING ECONOMICS, DUMBASSES!!!!
 
2011-02-08 05:13:02 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: So when people do research on diseases, they must first have the disease? I don't understand the point of your post? Obama wasn't elected to be a god damn CEO.


No, but the doctor working on you better know how a body works and what makes diseases go away.

Obama doesn't know how a capitalist economy works. Neither do the people railing against the "profit motive." It's like they're a second-year pre-med bio major trying to perform open heart surgery while blindfolded.
 
2011-02-08 05:15:01 PM  

edlmco:
In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


Yes, so what the US needs is another pair of CEOs (of oil companies again preferably) for President and VP! That'll fix the economy!
 
2011-02-08 05:15:10 PM  

Weaver95: look...dude...I'm about as big a capitalist as you can get and still be sane. so lemme see if I can explain something to ya: corporations do not recognize the concept of 'the greater good'. they care about one thing: maximum profits. that's it.


Yep, this is about as clear and concise a statement you can get about Capitalism.

So it seems to me that we as a nation need to answer this question: Is the economy going to serve us are are we merely here to serve the economy?
 
2011-02-08 05:16:20 PM  

edlmco: stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


Speaking as an attorney (and I assume you're probably not one),

You are a person who:
Never construed a law
Never written a legal opinion
Never attended law school
Never taken the bar
Never interviewed a client to review the merits of a claim
Never spent hundreds of hours sitting in a law library somewhere doing research
Never written a law review article
Never studied constitutional history and constitutional law
Never filed any substantive legal document (except pro se stuff like small claims)
Never had to file a case
Never had to work 15 hours a day on a legal case

By the same coin, you have no idea in the universe what it means to analyze and speak substantively on the law, yet I'm sure you've at least said at least one law is unconstitutional (without really knowing what unconstitutionality really entails).

Also, seriously, express your own opinions. Don't steal someone else's.
 
2011-02-08 05:16:31 PM  
Businesses don't exist to create jobs, Mr. President; they exist to create profit.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a person with absolutely no business acumen to know anything about that.
 
2011-02-08 05:17:10 PM  

edlmco: stolen from
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people.


And yet, somehow I still trust him to keep the American economy fair and profitable for everyone without destroying capitalism from the inside than I do you, bootstrapper.
 
2011-02-08 05:17:13 PM  

GoldSpider: RembrandtQEinstein: remove limited liability from corporate owners and stockholders

So when a company farks up and gets caught doing something illegal, every shareholder gets to go to jail?

Great plan there.


If you are supporting that illegal activity with your investment money, why shouldn't you be held responsible?
 
2011-02-08 05:17:51 PM  
Reacting, Bruce Josten, the Chamber's chief lobbyist, said, "Companies first, unlike a government, have to sustain their operation and that requires being able to pay your employees, vendors, suppliers and bondholders."

"Bottom line, the most patriotic thing a company can do is ensure it is in business and take steps to stay in business; otherwise everyone loses and more people lose their jobs," he said.


Or in other words, Mister President, STFU and GBTW.
 
2011-02-08 05:18:22 PM  
Pincy

So it seems to me that we as a nation need to answer this question: Is the economy going to serve us are are we merely here to serve the economy?


Be a good little consumer, serve the economy.
 
2011-02-08 05:19:03 PM  
RexTalionis, while it means nothing to you, that just earned you a place on my favorites list. Well played.
 
2011-02-08 05:20:33 PM  

almex: RexTalionis, while it means nothing to you, that just earned you a place on my favorites list. Well played.


Cheers, man.
 
2011-02-08 05:20:48 PM  
"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." - Thomas Jefferson
 
2011-02-08 05:20:49 PM  

Pincy:
So it seems to me that we as a nation need to answer this question: Is the economy going to serve us are are we merely here to serve the economy?


What does this nonsense even mean? We are the economy. You are asking: are we here to serve ourselves, or are we here to serve ourselves?
 
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