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(Baltimore Sun)   Cops don't like red light cameras either . . . because they aren't capable of extending "professional courtesy"   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 80
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2011-02-08 01:35:41 PM
Good. Accountability is a biatch isn't it/
 
2011-02-08 01:43:43 PM
HA HA!
 
2011-02-08 01:47:49 PM
Radley?
 
2011-02-08 02:27:57 PM
Take that Farva!
 
2011-02-08 02:29:00 PM
...the effect of the decision holds police throughout the state accountable for following what the judges called "the rules of the road" like any other licensed driver.

What?! They didn't sign up to be cops to follow the rules. They signed up to enforce them! (and hopefully tazer sick or disabled people)
 
2011-02-08 02:30:44 PM
Even on-duty officers in marked patrol cars aren't getting out of paying the fines. Many Maryland jurisdictions are holding officers and other emergency workers personally liable for the tickets, unless they can prove they were responding to legitimate emergencies at the time.

God I love this so much. I swear I've seen police in their cars flash their lights and siren, go through a red light and then turn them right back off or pull U-turns like that places where it is otherwise illegal. Maybe it's legit, maybe not but yay for accountability.
 
2011-02-08 02:30:51 PM
Most officers I've seen go through red lights aren't even going to a crime. I'm pretty sure you have to put on the siren when trying to get somewhere important.
 
2011-02-08 02:31:00 PM

TechnoMule: ...the effect of the decision holds police throughout the state accountable for following what the judges called "the rules of the road" like any other licensed driver.

What?! They didn't sign up to be cops to follow the rules. They signed up to enforce them! (and hopefully tazer sick or disabled people)


Don't forget that they enjoy shooting family pets as well.
 
2011-02-08 02:31:04 PM
Some years back I saw the most amazing, stereotype confirming thing. There was a bunch of traffic, I think it was rush hour, and a cop all the sudden turns on his lights and siren. Since people were at a stand still, they slowly got out of the way only to watch the cop drive about 50 feet and go to a Dunkin Donuts. He had to be doing it just for shiats and giggles.
 
2011-02-08 02:31:10 PM
So far this is the only good argument that I have heard for having them in the first place.
 
2011-02-08 02:31:50 PM
Ha-ha
 
2011-02-08 02:32:00 PM
I've seen so many cops in DC deliberately run red lights, speed, stop in the middle of the goddamn street to get coffee, and otherwise break traffic rules at will so I don't give a fark if they have to spend all of their time in court proving they were actually responding to a call.

Payback's a biatch. You work for us. Start acting like it.
 
2011-02-08 02:32:20 PM

benlonghair: Radley?


Doubt it. He would have sent it back to himself. And he definitely wouldn't want to out is Fark handle...
 
2011-02-08 02:32:58 PM
I don't mind the "professional courtesy" to other cops, or even firefighters. They're putting their lives on the line and as long as they aren't being dicks, I'm cool. But a big HELL NAW to their kids and spouses. Cops kids are the most dickish, entitled drivers there ever were.
 
2011-02-08 02:34:13 PM
If I were a cop, on duty, just cruising around, I would drive at least 10 mph under the speed limit just to watch traffic pile up behind me because some jackass refuses/is too scared to legally pass me.
 
2011-02-08 02:36:14 PM
This is perfect. It completes the cycle. A logical system. They 'watch' 'us', but in turn, we get to be Big Brother. Forget just redlight cameras. Expand it. Whatever they do can be observed by a group of people and judged. Sounds fair to me. Turn on their dash cameras, log their computers and let the data flow/do the talking.
 
2011-02-08 02:36:21 PM
Keep this up, and the cameras will start to disappear. I'm all for it. If a cop is responding to a legitimate emergency, it won't be hard to prove. The bullshiat about "stealth emergencies" is just that; bullshiat. If they are breaking traffic laws without using sirens and lights, they are putting the rest of us at risk.
 
2011-02-08 02:36:28 PM

CaptainCliche: I don't mind the "professional courtesy" to other cops


I do. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
 
2011-02-08 02:37:07 PM

lennavan: I swear I've seen police in their cars flash their lights and siren, go through a red light and then turn them right back off or pull U-turns like that places where it is otherwise illegal.


Saw that when I was still in college. Cop got bored waiting at a red light, flashed his lights and drove on through. Turned them right back off after clearing the intersection.

/Must be nice to be partially above the law.
 
2011-02-08 02:38:07 PM
Hmm, maybe these cameras aren't such a bad idea after all...
 
2011-02-08 02:38:13 PM
www.smiteahippie.com
 
2011-02-08 02:38:17 PM
I have never understood why cops get away with this stuff (I'm glad to see that they're enforcing it here, but I wonder how long that will last). In my mind, I would think that cops would want to be model drivers, as they are responsible for enforcing the traffic laws, thus they should set a good example. However in my experience, nothing could be further from the truth.
 
2011-02-08 02:40:05 PM

Good!

Also, I'm gonna have to call BULLSHIAT on this little gem:

Just how many police officers get caught by the many red light and speed cameras popping up at intersections in Baltimore and elsewhere could not be ascertained. Police officials said statistics were not available.

In other words, "Yeah, we're big offenders."
 
2011-02-08 02:40:09 PM
I can't wait for one of them to get caught by one of those traffic lights set to take the picture on yellow...
 
2011-02-08 02:42:08 PM
Best argument for traffic cameras I've ever seen.
 
2011-02-08 02:44:04 PM
I was driving through Frederick, Maryland early one morning (a few months ago) and watched a cop car turn his lights on just to go through the lights at every intersection on 355 south. We were the only two cars on the road at the time... Wish I could have taken video.
 
2011-02-08 02:44:11 PM
Good for cops. I've received only warnings the last 6 times I was pulled over for speeding over the last 10 years. I assume its because they know I was in the marines but if pulled over at night I roll down all windows and turn on the inside dome light as soon as I stop. Oh and probably because I don't drive a BMW.
 
2011-02-08 02:44:39 PM

URAPNIS: If I were a cop, on duty, just cruising around, I would drive at least 10 mph under the speed limit just to watch traffic pile up behind me because some jackass refuses/is too scared to legally pass me.


I was driving home a few hours ago and I had to stop for a red light and a cop was also stopped at the light going in he opposite direction. The light changed and the cop was just sitting there (it looked like he was looking at his dashboard computer or something). Traffic was piling up behind him and no one tapped the horn. The cop finally went through the intersection as the light turned yellow, so all those people behind him got to sit through another light cycle. Those same people would not hesitate to lay on the horn in any other circumstance. It gave me a good chuckle.
 
2011-02-08 02:45:44 PM
There's a way to add the personal touch.
sparkfun.com
 
2011-02-08 02:48:32 PM

Lsherm: I've seen so many cops in DC deliberately run red lights, speed, stop in the middle of the goddamn street to get coffee, and otherwise break traffic rules at will so I don't give a fark if they have to spend all of their time in court proving they were actually responding to a call.

Payback's a biatch. You work for us. Start acting like it.


I knew that this was Maryland even before seeing the link to the Baltimore paper.

Since Maryland drivers are the worst, and cops are arrogant asshats, when you combine the two you get nuclear-level asshats. They run red lights around here like Megan Fox was waiting for them on the other sidewalk.
 
2011-02-08 02:51:05 PM

CaptainCliche: I don't mind the "professional courtesy" to other cops, or even firefighters. They're putting their lives on the line and as long as they aren't being dicks, I'm cool. But a big HELL NAW to their kids and spouses. Cops kids are the most dickish, entitled drivers there ever were.


Construction workers and truck drivers have more dangerous jobs than police officers. Should they receive this courtesy too?
 
2011-02-08 02:53:08 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: CaptainCliche: I don't mind the "professional courtesy" to other cops

I do. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.


I fully agree. If the law is the law, then it must be followed by everyone, and it goes double for those who are supposed to enforce it.

I would support automatic maximum penalties for those in positions of authority (police, politicians) who violate the law. If you are going to stand in judgment over the citizenry and exercise authority over them, the price to be paid for that authority is the utmost devotion to the rules you put in place and enforce.
 
2011-02-08 02:53:58 PM
Guess these cops weren't high up enough on the food chain to get those remotes to change the traffic lights.
 
2011-02-08 02:55:10 PM
"Four Montgomery County police officers sued their department over speeding tickets and lost before the state's highest court, in a decision issued late last month."

Wow! Their arrogance knows no bounds.
 
2011-02-08 02:57:29 PM

lennavan: Even on-duty officers in marked patrol cars aren't getting out of paying the fines. Many Maryland jurisdictions are holding officers and other emergency workers personally liable for the tickets, unless they can prove they were responding to legitimate emergencies at the time.

God I love this so much. I swear I've seen police in their cars flash their lights and siren, go through a red light and then turn them right back off or pull U-turns like that places where it is otherwise illegal. Maybe it's legit, maybe not but yay for accountability.


No kidding. In my town, the bike cops RIDE AGAINST TRAFFIC. They disgust me.
 
2011-02-08 02:59:06 PM

garthgarth: CaptainCliche: I don't mind the "professional courtesy" to other cops, or even firefighters. They're putting their lives on the line and as long as they aren't being dicks, I'm cool. But a big HELL NAW to their kids and spouses. Cops kids are the most dickish, entitled drivers there ever were.

Construction workers and truck drivers have more dangerous jobs than police officers. Should they receive this courtesy too?


let me know when "getting shot at by crack heads and small time thieves" is on the list of "shiat that happens routinely to construction workers and truck drivers".
 
2011-02-08 03:01:33 PM

frepnog: let me know when "getting shot at by crack heads and small time thieves" is on the list of "shiat that happens routinely to construction workers and truck drivers".


So you'd extend this courtesy to inner city residents and late night workers at convenience stores?
 
2011-02-08 03:01:50 PM
It's nice to see the MD justice system trying to crack down on BCPD. Living in Baltimore my wife and I have called the department on their dangerous driving numerous times. Luckily we no longer live less than a mile from the Police Station.
 
2011-02-08 03:05:02 PM

frepnog: garthgarth: CaptainCliche: I don't mind the "professional courtesy" to other cops, or even firefighters. They're putting their lives on the line and as long as they aren't being dicks, I'm cool. But a big HELL NAW to their kids and spouses. Cops kids are the most dickish, entitled drivers there ever were.

Construction workers and truck drivers have more dangerous jobs than police officers. Should they receive this courtesy too?

let me know when "getting shot at by crack heads and small time thieves" is on the list of "shiat that happens routinely to construction workers and truck drivers".


Construction workers don't get shot at. But they do fall down and get impaled by rebar and get their limbs crushed. I read an article a while ago about a guy who was buried alive in burning hot asphalt.

Also, getting shot at at is certainly not routine for police officers.
 
2011-02-08 03:12:43 PM

akula: frepnog: let me know when "getting shot at by crack heads and small time thieves" is on the list of "shiat that happens routinely to construction workers and truck drivers".

So you'd extend this courtesy to inner city residents and late night workers at convenience stores?


The Big Three of likely to get killed on the job:
3. Late night convenience store workers
2. Miners
1. Taxi drivers

Last I checked, they're all over ten times as likely to die on the job as a cop.

I don't get the special treatment for cops. If you get run over during a traffic stop, they have a parade in your honor. On the other hand, if you get electrocuted working a high tension line trying to get power to an entire city, they just dump some dirt on you and leave you for the coyotes. How does this make any sense?
 
2011-02-08 03:16:11 PM
Oh man...I had not thought of this angle on things and kind of regret that they got turned off here in Houston.

URAPNIS: If I were a cop, on duty, just cruising around, I would drive at least 10 mph under the speed limit just to watch traffic pile up behind me because some jackass refuses/is too scared to legally pass me.


I've seen that before. It's really fun on a two lane when they ride in the left at 5 - 10 under and the guy in the right is pacing him....Makes for a very aggravating commute. Texas drivers fail. Hard.
 
2011-02-08 03:17:41 PM

frepnog: let me know when "getting shot at by crack heads and small time thieves" is on the list of "shiat that happens routinely to construction workers and truck drivers".


Non-argument. The cause of your death on the job is in no way relevant to the fact that it can happen suddenly and for reasons beyond your control.

That said, I'm starting to be of the mind that there should be a crushing mandatory sentencing enhancement for any officer who commits an offense while on the job, while informing people of his occupation, or against people who he knows are aware of his occupation.

Many states do it with people who use firearms to commit crimes, and being a police officer is, for all intents and purposes, the same thing: you're leveraging the fact that you're ultimately backed up by people with guns to get away with it.

An Illinois court recently gave a sheriff two life sentences for running a drug ring out of the evidence locker. That, to me, seems like the way this stuff should go down. Discourage the corrupt from ever attaching themselves to law enforcement by showing them how much more horrible it will be if they get caught.
 
2011-02-08 03:17:43 PM

garthgarth: frepnog: garthgarth: CaptainCliche: I don't mind the "professional courtesy" to other cops, or even firefighters. They're putting their lives on the line and as long as they aren't being dicks, I'm cool. But a big HELL NAW to their kids and spouses. Cops kids are the most dickish, entitled drivers there ever were.

Construction workers and truck drivers have more dangerous jobs than police officers. Should they receive this courtesy too?

let me know when "getting shot at by crack heads and small time thieves" is on the list of "shiat that happens routinely to construction workers and truck drivers".

Construction workers don't get shot at. But they do fall down and get impaled by rebar and get their limbs crushed. I read an article a while ago about a guy who was buried alive in burning hot asphalt.

Also, getting shot at at is certainly not routine for police officers.


Convenience store clerks and taxi drivers get shot at more than police officers and soldiers do.
 
2011-02-08 03:21:02 PM
 
2011-02-08 03:21:29 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: akula: frepnog: let me know when "getting shot at by crack heads and small time thieves" is on the list of "shiat that happens routinely to construction workers and truck drivers".

So you'd extend this courtesy to inner city residents and late night workers at convenience stores?

The Big Three of likely to get killed on the job:
3. Late night convenience store workers
2. Miners
1. Taxi drivers

Last I checked, they're all over ten times as likely to die on the job as a cop.

I don't get the special treatment for cops. If you get run over during a traffic stop, they have a parade in your honor. On the other hand, if you get electrocuted working a high tension line trying to get power to an entire city, they just dump some dirt on you and leave you for the coyotes. How does this make any sense?


policemen serve the public, and most cops are good cops. I honestly don't have a HUGE problem with cops blowing thru red lights, I have seen it tons of times, and I have yet to see one do it in rush hour traffic. I have seen it at 2 am (and other odd times when there is no traffic), and honestly, if a cop had the lights a noise on and blows thru a light, YOU don't have any idea where he is going.

there must be a lot of goddamned criminals on fark since you guys seem to hate cops so damn much.
 
2011-02-08 03:22:34 PM

CaptainCliche: I don't mind the "professional courtesy" to other cops, or even firefighters. They're putting their lives on the line and as long as they aren't being dicks, I'm cool. But a big HELL NAW to their kids and spouses. Cops kids are the most dickish, entitled drivers there ever were.


Cop blows through a red light, so he can get home to watch the game, and kills a kid. How is that any different than guy who had a few beers blows through a red light, so he can get home to watch the game, and kills a kid?

In both situations a traffic law was violated resulting in someone losing their right to life. I don't understand why a cop should be allowed to endanger people's lives just cause he's a cop. At what point does the cop have to stop doing things that endanger everyone else's lives? Would you feel okay about a cop killing your loved one so he can get to the donut shop faster? Have you told your loved ones about this?

Endangering other people's lives should not be a employment benefit.
 
2011-02-08 03:24:44 PM
Boo my fu*king hoo.

Obey the law.

You *do* obey the law, dontcha?

Officer?
 
2011-02-08 03:25:06 PM
 
2011-02-08 03:25:35 PM

frepnog: The Jami Turman Fan Club: akula: frepnog: let me know when "getting shot at by crack heads and small time thieves" is on the list of "shiat that happens routinely to construction workers and truck drivers".

So you'd extend this courtesy to inner city residents and late night workers at convenience stores?

The Big Three of likely to get killed on the job:
3. Late night convenience store workers
2. Miners
1. Taxi drivers

Last I checked, they're all over ten times as likely to die on the job as a cop.

I don't get the special treatment for cops. If you get run over during a traffic stop, they have a parade in your honor. On the other hand, if you get electrocuted working a high tension line trying to get power to an entire city, they just dump some dirt on you and leave you for the coyotes. How does this make any sense?

policemen serve the public, and most cops are good cops. I honestly don't have a HUGE problem with cops blowing thru red lights, I have seen it tons of times, and I have yet to see one do it in rush hour traffic. I have seen it at 2 am (and other odd times when there is no traffic), and honestly, if a cop had the lights a noise on and blows thru a light, YOU don't have any idea where he is going.

there must be a lot of goddamned criminals on fark since you guys seem to hate cops so damn much.


If police are supposed to serve the public, why put them (the public) at risk by ignoring traffic control devices? It runs counter to their mission.
 
2011-02-08 03:28:43 PM

neversubmit: Professional Courtesy


I forgot to add:

August 4, 2004

As a Military Law Enforcement Officer, we have many civilian Police officers (state, local) and Corrections Officers who use our government road as a short cut when coming to and from work. Not once have I nor my department for that fact ever issued one summons to any one of these officers (nor will I ever). A cop is a cop is a cop.

-R. Moore
-NWS Earle Base Police
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