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2011-02-07 03:41:32 PM  
Shady business practices from an organization linked to Scientology?

I'm shocked!
 
2011-02-07 03:41:41 PM  
pretztail.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-02-07 03:45:03 PM  
I don't understand. What does Scientology have to do with screwing people out of money?

Oh, wait. Nevermind.
 
2011-02-07 03:46:06 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2011-02-07 03:46:28 PM  
i264.photobucket.com
 
2011-02-07 03:48:09 PM  
Scientology is a religion for people that want to believe they are socially liberal, but are actually egomaniacal conservative pricks. They can vote for Democrats, but can still get their "I'm one of the chosen people" kicks from the CoS.

Screw 'em all. The CoS needs to lose it's tax-exempt status. ALL churches that bring in revenue above a certain level need to lose it, as far as I'm concerned, but that's a different story.
 
2011-02-07 03:48:23 PM  
FBI launches probe into Church of Scientology over claims of 'human trafficking' and 'enslavement (new window)

i.dailymail.co.uk

I have a feeling Tom likes being enslaved.

Where's all the wikileaks stuff on the 'tologists?
 
2011-02-07 03:50:46 PM  
FTA:

What few people knew was that the Palm Harbor company had extensive ties to the Church of Scientology.

"I have in my hand a list..."
www.mtholyoke.edu
/do they weigh the same as a duck?
 
2011-02-07 03:50:55 PM  
It's always nice to see con artists making inroads into other revenue sources like that.
 
2011-02-07 03:54:54 PM  
Is this Scientology thread going to conspicuously disappear like the one from The Daily Mail earlier today?
 
2011-02-07 04:01:42 PM  

GungFu: FBI launches probe into Church of Scientology over claims of 'human trafficking' and 'enslavement (new window)



I have a feeling Tom likes being enslaved.

Where's all the wikileaks stuff on the 'tologists?


Much of it has already been released (their 'church' documents), they just keep suing people because their 'holy books' are copywriter. They have to be the only so-called church who's major holy book is copy written and distribution is prevented. Christians, Muslims ect would be farking delighted if you read their holy book.
 
2011-02-07 04:01:51 PM  
Scientology is proof-positive that actors/entertainers are complete morons.....yet they are worshiped by many in the USA and our glorious leaders on The Hill turn to them for advice.
 
2011-02-07 04:03:16 PM  
I thought that said "robo-singing" and was sorely disappointed with the article.
 
2011-02-07 04:08:59 PM  

therealpope: Scientology is proof-positive that actors/entertainers are complete morons.....yet they are worshiped by many in the USA and our glorious leaders on The Hill turn to them for advice.


Yeah. Like Charlie Daniels, Chuck Norris, Ronald Reagan,....
 
2011-02-07 04:10:56 PM  

The Audacity Works: Is this Scientology thread going to conspicuously disappear like the one from The Daily Mail earlier today?


Yeah, kinda wondering if this thread will go Down the Memory Hole too.

/Conspicuously disappearing thread trifecta?
 
2011-02-07 04:14:21 PM  

MrEricSir: Shady business practices from an organization linked to Scientology?

I'm shocked!


Quick, to Project Chanology! (new window)

Wait, they got bored.
 
2011-02-07 04:17:49 PM  

therealpope: Scientology is proof-positive that actors/entertainers are complete morons.....yet they are worshiped by many in the USA and our glorious leaders on The Hill turn to them for advice.


Not every entertainer has falled in with the Hubbardites and the Church of Xenu.

Elvis Presley rather famously shot down repeated attempts to recruit him back in the 70's when they were making their initial big push to recruit celebrities (the one where they got Issac Hayes and John Travolta). He was quoted as saying something to the effect of "Those SOB's only want my money!"

(Doing a little googling you can quickly find there are long lists of public figures that refused attempts by the CoS to recruit them or use their fame for their ends.)

Sadly, with his only daughter joining them, they later got a whole lot of it.
 
2011-02-07 04:18:31 PM  

AqueousBoy: I thought that said "robo-singing" and was sorely disappointed with the article.


Nah, then the article would have been about the Black-Eyed Peas.
 
2011-02-07 04:18:38 PM  

Raoul Eaton: therealpope: Scientology is proof-positive that actors/entertainers are complete morons.....yet they are worshiped by many in the USA and our glorious leaders on The Hill turn to them for advice.

Yeah. Like Charlie Daniels, Chuck Norris, Ronald Reagan,....


Don't forget Ron Silver. He used his political connections to get a job at NASA.
 
2011-02-07 04:19:12 PM  

Barakku: GungFu: FBI launches probe into Church of Scientology over claims of 'human trafficking' and 'enslavement (new window)



I have a feeling Tom likes being enslaved.

Where's all the wikileaks stuff on the 'tologists?

Much of it has already been released (their 'church' documents), they just keep suing people because their 'holy books' are copywriter. They have to be the only so-called church who's major holy book is copy written and distribution is prevented. Christians, Muslims ect would be farking delighted if you read their holy book.


The Mormons have a copy right on the Book of Mormon, but they rarely take action on anyone who quotes from it. Hell, back when I was Mormon, and a missionary, they use to tell us they welcomed controversy, because it brought attention, which in turn brought discussion, which often led to converts. The Scientologist on the other hand, don't want any controversy, they just want lawsuits.
 
2011-02-07 04:22:44 PM  

AqueousBoy: I thought that said "robo-singing" and was sorely disappointed with the article.


I am also disappoint.
 
2011-02-07 04:23:52 PM  

AqueousBoy: I thought that said "robo-singing" and was sorely disappointed with the article.


You were thinking more along this line?
img573.imageshack.us
Go ahead. Sign his contract.
 
2011-02-07 04:24:19 PM  
"If there is a newsworthy story relating to NTC,'' the company said in its statements to the Times, "it should focus on the quality services and ethical practices of NTC ... not the religious beliefs of any of its leadership or employees.''

Heh.
 
2011-02-07 04:26:26 PM  

The Audacity Works: Is this Scientology thread going to conspicuously disappear like the one from The Daily Mail earlier today?

Silverstaff:
Yeah, kinda wondering if this thread will go Down the Memory Hole too.
/Conspicuously disappearing thread trifecta?


About these ... Hey Drew, grow some farking balls.
 
2011-02-07 04:26:41 PM  
As always, for more information on the "church" of $cientology, please visit Clambake.org (new window). It is relevant to Xenu's interests.
 
2011-02-07 04:28:25 PM  

The Audacity Works: Is this Scientology thread going to conspicuously disappear like the one from The Daily Mail earlier today?


If by "disappear' you mean "still on the front page about 35 stories down from this one," then yes.
 
2011-02-07 04:32:50 PM  

AqueousBoy: I thought that said "robo-singing" and was sorely disappointed with the article.


www.futurama-madhouse.net

Not allowed to sing... court order...
 
2011-02-07 04:34:14 PM  
"Make money. Make more money. Cause others to produce so as to make more money." - L. Ron Hubbard
 
2011-02-07 04:35:36 PM  

ThighsofGlory: The Audacity Works: Is this Scientology thread going to conspicuously disappear like the one from The Daily Mail earlier today?

If by "disappear' you mean "still on the front page about 35 stories down from this one," then yes.


It absolutely, positively wasn't there when I typed that (page search and everything). Now it's back. Hmm...
 
2011-02-07 04:35:49 PM  

ThighsofGlory: The Audacity Works: Is this Scientology thread going to conspicuously disappear like the one from The Daily Mail earlier today?

If by "disappear' you mean "still on the front page about 35 stories down from this one," then yes.


It's back. It had been removed at one point and was gone for a few hours.

Looks like spontaneous testicular generation on behalf of the mods

/Thank you
 
2011-02-07 04:43:39 PM  
I never thought I could draw a link between Hatsune Miku and the Scientologists. The world is stranger than I imagined.
 
2011-02-07 04:49:04 PM  
Just take comfort in the fact that Mr. Hubbard is an answering machine in the afterlife.

/At least that's what Parke Godwin told me
//alternate Godwin?
 
2011-02-07 04:51:54 PM  
So far we've had only one CoS shill in the thread, MBooda

I'll be back later to read more equivalencies. My favorite is "Just give CoS five hundred years and it'll be the same as any other religion."

Followed by: "Christians burned people, we don't burn people (as far as you know).
 
2011-02-07 04:53:39 PM  
no no no. robo-signing is when you innocuously take your boss's signature, scan it into a computer, and set up a print document that prints blank, pre-signed cheques
 
N7
2011-02-07 04:55:02 PM  
People who are, or have been involved with Scientology are almost always identifiable by the way they communicate. It's really creepy in a "Big Brother is watching" kind of way, where you know by the way they use certain words and turns of phrase that they have a magical secret meaning that only they're aware of. I've seen people who got out of it that still talk that way, years later, because it was pounded so relentlessly into their heads. If nothing else convinces you that they're a cult, this one thing should probably ring alarm bells.

FTA: "We use this system because we have found it to be workable,'' the statement said, adding emphasis. "Twenty years ago, NTC started with limited capital, today NTC provides nearly 200 jobs in Pinellas County. This is what we mean by workable.''

The only way for an organization to survive is to grow, said Hubbard, who also devised a system of "ethics" in which unproductive employees could work their way out of conditions called "danger'' and "nonexistence.''
 
2011-02-07 04:56:19 PM  

GungFu: FBI launches probe into Church of Scientology over claims of 'human trafficking' and 'enslavement (new window)



I have a feeling Tom likes being enslaved.

Where's all the wikileaks stuff on the 'tologists?



Yeah, it helps both him and Travolta keep their true "gayness" in the closet.
 
2011-02-07 05:09:42 PM  
MrEricSir Quote 2011-02-07 03:41:32 PM
Shady business practices from an organization linked to Scientology any sort of religion?

I'm shocked!


/FTFY
 
2011-02-07 05:12:29 PM  
They're in legal trouble? I'm told Scientology can help with that.

/But only if you disclose your crimes.
 
2011-02-07 05:15:50 PM  
I see que.guero has joined Mbooda in the CoS shill camp.

Keep those equivalencies comin girlz, Musgrave aint pay'n you to sit on yer hands!
 
2011-02-07 05:24:26 PM  

AqueousBoy: I thought that said "robo-singing" and was sorely disappointed with the article.


me, too!
 
2011-02-07 05:28:49 PM  
Sigh.

The old convent by where I grew up evidently turned into some Scientology front:

Villa Gesu: Link (new window, link goes to a Scientology-related site)

Seems extra distasteful.

Poor old Sister at the end of the article wasn't fully informed. I'm pretty sure Hubbard's group would fall in with the moneymovers Jesus would throw out of a temple.
 
2011-02-07 05:29:09 PM  

radiumsoup: AqueousBoy: I thought that said "robo-singing" and was sorely disappointed with the article.

me, too!


You don't, need a comma when saying, "Me too!"
 
2011-02-07 05:36:40 PM  

Silverstaff: The Audacity Works: Is this Scientology thread going to conspicuously disappear like the one from The Daily Mail earlier today?

Yeah, kinda wondering if this thread will go Down the Memory Hole too.

/Conspicuously disappearing thread trifecta?


Huh? I still see it.

Thread 5936343?
 
2011-02-07 05:41:35 PM  
Anyone but me ever notice you never see the agnostics in Scientology threads. In other threads, they say since we can't prove or disprove religious claims, the only sensible position is agnosticism. In Scientology threads I never see anyone say, I don't know and neither do you.
 
2011-02-07 05:48:15 PM  

we_hates: In Scientology threads I never see anyone say, I don't know and neither do you.


There's a difference between a religious organization and the beliefs they represent.

If you want to believe in some sci-fi author's books, that's fine with me.

But if the organization is beating people up, screwing them out of money, etc. etc. then that's a different issue.
 
2011-02-07 06:02:15 PM  
One of the robo-signers was a carny?
 
2011-02-07 06:07:20 PM  

MrEricSir: But if the organization is beating people up, screwing them out of money, etc. etc. then that's a different issue.


Good point. I didn't mean to sound like I was equating Scientology as an organization with other religious institutions.
 
2011-02-07 06:08:09 PM  

GungFu: FBI launches probe into Church of Scientology over claims of 'human trafficking' and 'enslavement (new window)



I have a feeling Tom likes being enslaved.

Where's all the wikileaks stuff on the 'tologists?


I see your "manly" "hand shake" and raise you a "manly" pose ...
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

/Who said anything about gay?
//I didn't say gay.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2011-02-07 06:13:31 PM  

MBooda: FTA:

What few people knew was that the Palm Harbor company had extensive ties to the Church of Scientology.

"I have in my hand a list..."

/do they weigh the same as a duck?


Senator McCarthy, is that a list of people to be "Fair Gamed"?
 
2011-02-07 06:19:21 PM  
Hell, I don't like the CoS any more than the next guy.

But spotting the resemblance between associating Nationwide with the CoS and McCarthyism doesn't make me a "shill".

/hey tinyarena: were Fred Fisher or Joseph N. Welch "Communist shills"? Yes? No? Not Enough Balls to Answer? Pick one of the three, please
 
2011-02-07 06:22:03 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: GungFu: FBI launches probe into Church of Scientology over claims of 'human trafficking' and 'enslavement (new window)



I have a feeling Tom likes being enslaved.

Where's all the wikileaks stuff on the 'tologists?

I see your "manly" "hand shake" and raise you a "manly" pose ...


/Who said anything about gay?
//I didn't say gay.


it looks like a pose zoolander would use
 
2011-02-07 06:22:50 PM  

we_hates: Anyone but me ever notice you never see the agnostics in Scientology threads. In other threads, they say since we can't prove or disprove religious claims, the only sensible position is agnosticism. In Scientology threads I never see anyone say, I don't know and neither do you.


I don't think people object to Scientology's theology (which is no more or less ridiculous than any other religion), than to the widely documented history of the "church" being a brainwashing cult/tax dodge/quack psychiatric scam/Ponzi scheme.

Also, I think people are more familiar with Judeo-Christian mythology and with the Xenu stuff than they are with the tenets of Dianetics (which are stupid and harmful), so you don't get much discussion of what Scientologists believe beyond the Thetans-in-the-Volcano level.

It's easy to be critical of Scientology, because it became a "church" only so that L. Ron Hubbard could evade taxes on the money he skimmed from the non-profit. You don't have to express an opinion about their unprovable/disprovable beliefs to realize that they're fulla crap on things like business management, psychology, economics, etc. Ron Hubbard was a crank and a con artist, and not because he may or may not have believed that ancient aliens dumped exiles into an Earth volcano, releasing our souls in the process.
 
2011-02-07 06:34:47 PM  
FTFA: What few people knew was that the Palm Harbor company had extensive ties to the Church of Scientology. And that NTC's owners, who have donated heavily to church projects, ran the company on management principles of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.

But that doesn't mean there is any connection to CoS...
right MBooda? Right?
 
2011-02-07 06:50:46 PM  

loonatic112358: GreatGlavinsGhost: GungFu: FBI launches probe into Church of Scientology over claims of 'human trafficking' and 'enslavement (new window)



I have a feeling Tom likes being enslaved.

Where's all the wikileaks stuff on the 'tologists?

I see your "manly" "hand shake" and raise you a "manly" pose ...


/Who said anything about gay?
//I didn't say gay.

it looks like a pose zoolander would use


farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2011-02-07 06:58:04 PM  
didn't know what an Auto-Pen was did they?
 
2011-02-07 07:12:07 PM  
tinyarena Quote 2011-02-07 05:15:50 PM
I see que.guero has joined Mbooda in the CoS shill camp.

Keep those equivalencies comin girlz, Musgrave aint pay'n you to sit on yer hands!


Yes, because being anti-religion makes one a CoS shill.

Nice work there detective.
 
2011-02-07 07:20:10 PM  

que.guero: tinyarena Quote 2011-02-07 05:15:50 PM
I see que.guero has joined Mbooda in the CoS shill camp.

Keep those equivalencies comin girlz, Musgrave aint pay'n you to sit on yer hands!

Yes, because being anti-religion makes one a CoS shill.

Nice work there detective.


sorry, can't be too careful, that "all religions are the same" line is a typical response from CoS posers

I can see your hatred is pure, good, carry on
 
2011-02-07 07:29:21 PM  

we_hates: Anyone but me ever notice you never see the agnostics in Scientology threads. In other threads, they say since we can't prove or disprove religious claims, the only sensible position is agnosticism. In Scientology threads I never see anyone say, I don't know and neither do you.


Hi there. Agnostic/athiest here. I do, in fact, KNOW that aliens did not travel through space billions of years ago in B52s and place the souls of other aliens in the volcanos of Hawaii. And then drop atomic bombs on said volcanos. Which weren't formed yet.

How do I know that?

Not an idiot.
 
2011-02-07 07:34:09 PM  
L. Ron Hubbard's administrative technology

AUGH. I thought I'd escaped the crazy Scifag-babble after Chanology failed so spectacularly.
 
2011-02-07 07:51:17 PM  

MBooda: Hell, I don't like the CoS any more than the next guy.

But spotting the resemblance between associating Nationwide with the CoS and McCarthyism doesn't make me a "shill".

/hey tinyarena: were Fred Fisher or Joseph N. Welch "Communist shills"? Yes? No? Not Enough Balls to Answer? Pick one of the three, please


It's true the article is a slam job. I have some familiarity with the company and it's not nearly as bad as the article indicates.

Also notice you don't see any rational rebuttals to the articles claims til the very bottom. That's pretty scummy, they damn well know that most people won't read that far.

And dont get me started on this robo-signer BS...

That said, fark Scientology. It's a cult dedicated to farking people out of as much money as possible no matter who gets hurt.
 
2011-02-07 08:09:26 PM  

MBooda: Hell, I don't like the CoS any more than the next guy.

But spotting the resemblance between associating Nationwide with the CoS and McCarthyism doesn't make me a "shill".

/hey tinyarena: were Fred Fisher or Joseph N. Welch "Communist shills"? Yes? No? Not Enough Balls to Answer? Pick one of the three, please


It's not that much of a stretch when the owners themselves proudly espouse their connection to CoS.
 
2011-02-07 08:17:38 PM  

AqueousBoy: I thought that said "robo-singing" and was sorely disappointed with the article.


Ditto
 
2011-02-07 09:26:23 PM  

tinyarena: I can see your hatred is pure, good, carry on


And I can see you answered my question with C)
 
2011-02-07 10:18:21 PM  

N7: People who are, or have been involved with Scientology are almost always identifiable by the way they communicate. It's really creepy in a "Big Brother is watching" kind of way, where you know by the way they use certain words and turns of phrase that they have a magical secret meaning that only they're aware of. I've seen people who got out of it that still talk that way, years later, because it was pounded so relentlessly into their heads. If nothing else convinces you that they're a cult, this one thing should probably ring alarm bells.


This. And here's a frightening example: Steven Fishman Deposition (new window).
 
2011-02-07 11:24:42 PM  
oddly enough, my comments in this thread are not listed under myfark's profile as one making a comment in. Xenu at play?
 
Ral
2011-02-08 12:59:02 AM  
In 2003, Slatkin was sentenced to 14 years in prison on fraud and money-laundering charges. In 2006, the trustee settled the lawsuit with the church and related entities, which agreed to pay $3.5 million.

Kezsbom didn't live to see it. On Nov. 28, 2003, not long after his letter to the court, he died suddenly at age 56.


Why am I not surprised by this?
 
2011-02-08 03:10:34 AM  

MBooda: tinyarena: I can see your hatred is pure, good, carry on

And I can see you answered my question with C)


Or, since the response wasn't directed at you, tinyarena has thus far, continued to ignore you.
 
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