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2011-02-07 04:50:54 PM

kingoomieiii: Copper Spork: Quite right too. I don't want my taxpayer dollars being used to give free housing to criminals. If they can't afford their upkeep, let them starve. They chose to end up in jail.

Jail: Temporary housing for people arrested and awaiting trial/bail hearings.

Prison: Housing for people actually convicted of a crime.

Innocent until proven guilty. Except when the criminal justice system needs a few bucks.


Now, I don't know about Michigan, but in Colorado if you're convicted of a misdemeanor, you go to the county jail, and if you're convicted of a felony you go to prison (or if you're placed on probation for a felony you can still get up to 90 days in jail).

The jail also holds those folks awaiting trial who couldn't make bail.

The county I worked in charged $40 a night for those folks in the jail who had been sentenced, but there was no charge for any pre-sentence confinement. Also, if the person was a client of the public defender, they normally got their cost of care bumped down to $10 a night. There were various other fees like $42 (total) for work release, or $30 every time you were booked in if you were serving a staggered sentence.
 
2011-02-07 04:59:30 PM

mechgreg: Except the main reason that mobsters and other organized criminals turn on their bosses is the threat of rough jail time.


In the movies, this is true.
 
2011-02-07 05:05:59 PM
Can't afford to pay? Don't do anything to get thrown in jail.

If you get out of jail and owe money for your stay, get a farkin job.


Why is this so difficult?



An overwhelming amount of repeat offenders are looking for a place to stay for the night, free food, warmth, free detox or attention. These are not "innocent" people who are accidentally in the system.
 
2011-02-07 05:10:37 PM

Copper Spork: Quite right too. I don't want my taxpayer dollars being used to give free housing to criminals. If they can't afford their upkeep, let them starve. They chose to end up in jail.


Read many books? No? Not really? Ok then.

/Didn't think so.
//Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa says the sheep who believes in ALL the laws. Baaaaaaaa says he.
 
2011-02-07 05:15:39 PM

tukatz: Can't afford to pay? Don't do anything to get thrown in jail.

If you get out of jail and owe money for your stay, get a farkin job.


Why is this so difficult?



An overwhelming amount of repeat offenders are looking for a place to stay for the night, free food, warmth, free detox or attention. These are not "innocent" people who are accidentally in the system.


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I'll agree that it happens, but 'overwhelming'? Do you have a source for the actual incidence of this?
 
2011-02-07 05:16:09 PM

tukatz: Can't afford to pay? Don't do anything to get thrown in jail.

If you get out of jail and owe money for your stay, get a farkin job.

An overwhelming amount of repeat offenders are looking for a place to stay for the night, free food, warmth, free detox or attention. These are not "innocent" people who are accidentally in the system.

Why is this so difficult?



See my response to Copper Spork

People who have that mindset typically think things that are illegal 'Should be illegal' and there is no such thing as a miscarriage of justice. Ever. Anywhere.

It's a pretty farking insane and unrealistic viewpoint in my opinion. It is a difficult issue.

And you will likely keep spouting the same 'If they don't want to pay, don't go to jail' bullshiat until their precious flower, cousin or dog gets arrested unfairly. Then you'll change your tune.

Don't believe me? Get arrested.
 
2011-02-07 05:17:03 PM
See, the problem is this has nothing--repeat, NOTHING--to do with punishment, retribution, restitution, or even paying fines or probation. All the people up there saying "If you can't do the time don't do the crime" or whatever are missing the point.

This is just a bill, totally unrelated to the crime the guy was picked up for, whether or not he was charged, convicted or sentenced, found guilty or innocent, or anything. It's a use fee. "You used our jail, so you have to pay for it." It can't deter crime, because it's like being charged for walking into a police station!

Imagine if everything you used involuntarily had a use fee. (Everything kind of does, but...) Any time you walk into a public toilet you get charged, and at the end of the month here comes a bill. Walk into any public building: Ding! monthly billing. Ride a bus? A dollar fare, plus fifty cents for using the seats and floor.

I mean, really. A bill for using the jail? That's what taxes are for.
 
2011-02-07 05:21:27 PM
They don't get paid because most Michigan people who know someone who's been in jail understand that if you don't pay ANY part of the fee, you don't have to pay it. They won't come after you.

The deal is that if you agree and even pay 1 cent (they'll try to do this when you're leaving), you agree to the whole fee and they can come after you for it. In other words, they'll give you back whatever they feel like giving.

(YMMV by county) They'll also do fun stuff like charging for the privilege of being booked in as well as out. Also, if you get booked in at 11pm, and you aren't bailed out right away, even if you get a PR bond, they'll try to hold you until 12:01am on the day after (25 hours later) so they can bill for 3 full days.

And, the best one...if someone comes with cash to get you out, they'll have you sign a document that says YOU paid the bail and that you agree to allow them to deduct any fees they want from the bail money.

So, you can be arrested for disorderly conduct and before you get a chance to defend yourself you're already down a couple of hundred bucks.

The saddest part is how they play games by shuffling people between jails so that they can bill even higher amounts. (example: amounts may vary) Let's say Jail#1 sends a person to Jail#2. Jail #2 bills at triple the rate for housing people from Jail#1. Jail#2 then sends someone to Jail#3. Jail#3 sends someone to Jail#1...and on and on. This costs taxpayers MASSIVE amounts of money because they pay part of the jailing at multiples of what it should cost, the people who do all of this transporting around cost quite a bit, the "shufflers" get paid, and the people who get caught up in this system end up broke and really farkin pissed off at the whole "justice" system.
 
2011-02-07 05:28:38 PM

Gyrfalcon: See, the problem is this has nothing--repeat, NOTHING--to do with punishment, retribution, restitution, or even paying fines or probation. All the people up there saying "If you can't do the time don't do the crime" or whatever are missing the point.

This is just a bill, totally unrelated to the crime the guy was picked up for, whether or not he was charged, convicted or sentenced, found guilty or innocent, or anything. It's a use fee. "You used our jail, so you have to pay for it." It can't deter crime, because it's like being charged for walking into a police station!

Imagine if everything you used involuntarily had a use fee. (Everything kind of does, but...) Any time you walk into a public toilet you get charged, and at the end of the month here comes a bill. Walk into any public building: Ding! monthly billing. Ride a bus? A dollar fare, plus fifty cents for using the seats and floor.

I mean, really. A bill for using the jail? That's what taxes are for.


Teacher:
"Sorry little Jimmy.... I can't give you your exam results because your cheapskate parents haven't paid me my 'Test marking fee' yet. You might have to repeat this class!"

Student:
"But.... but they pay property taxes and income taxes"

Teacher:
"Yes, but the tenth rule of acquisition states 'Once you have their money, you never give it back.' and the twenty second rule states 'A wise man can hear profit in the wind.' "

The moral of the lesson is that Michigan is run by the Ferengis.
 
2011-02-07 05:30:47 PM

Copper Spork: Quite right too. I don't want my taxpayer dollars being used to give free housing to criminals. If they can't afford their upkeep, let them starve. They chose to end up in jail.


Bullshiat, the white man puts the brothers in jail. That is why there are more brothers in jail then whites. It's all about racism. If the white man is gonna put me in jail the white man can pay for it!!
 
2011-02-07 06:00:53 PM
Dirtybird97: well that and there's no way that you'd get a 70% success rate. but I think you'd be a success if you could just keep 10-20% from returning. Rehabs too have a high recidivism rate. Some people aren't going to try because they can not make it on the outside.

I was flipping through the most recent edition of Defending a Federal Criminal Case (had time to kill and stopped by dad's law office)

One thing that jumped out at me is, according to the Bureau of Prison's own numbers, violent felons have somewhere around a 63-66% recidivism rate. The sex crime felons had a rate somewhere between 13-16. (Ba dum tish, but also true)

And that's with virtually nonexistent treatment programs that cost a fraction of incarceration.

I'm just musing here, but what if we upped the good time rate so that cons could be paroled early into treatment programs appropriate for them (anger management for violent, drug treatment, etc)? The catch would be any violation of parole more than a parking ticket results the con taking the express shuttle back to prison and invalidation of any earned/future good time during that sentence?
 
2011-02-07 06:19:42 PM

Mija: Sounds like a huge conflict of interest. It should be illegal. If the state can profit from jailing people they have incentive to jail innocent people just like they give out more tickets to increase revenue. It's good to see the ACLU is taking action.


Or the gov't can decide to just privatize the prison system (thereby relieving the govt of all responsibility in managing the system and allowing for a system where the jails will try to pressure them back to send more "customers").

But nah, that will never happen.
 
2011-02-07 06:28:04 PM
the problem with this is the fact that some are jailed for WEEKS before having a bail hearing and later even found innocent (or at least charges dropped). have a buddy who was jailed for 10 days for "supposed" unpaid child support. not only was it paid at that point and a screw-up on FoC's end, but due to being jailed he lost his job for being a "no show" for a work week, ended up back for actually being behind because of all that.
/as a michigan resident who has seen how this can go badly for the innocent, I'm NOT getting a kick out of this thread
/not so CSB
 
2011-02-07 06:30:58 PM
Do they get airline miles if they put it on their credit card?
 
2011-02-07 06:57:31 PM

SnakeLee: If there was a way to put 80% of people in prison into a a halfway house type situation and gave them all counseling; and let's say 70% of those people became productive members of society, it lowered crime rates, and it cost less money than the prison system costs now, do you think it could get implemented? I don't think it would get instituted solely because people would think we weren't punishing them hard enough.


You would have to pair that with prohibiting employment and housing applications from asking about past convictions -- and that sure as shiat ain't happening.
 
2011-02-07 07:07:58 PM

Pancoaifo: Dirtybird97: well that and there's no way that you'd get a 70% success rate. but I think you'd be a success if you could just keep 10-20% from returning. Rehabs too have a high recidivism rate. Some people aren't going to try because they can not make it on the outside.

I was flipping through the most recent edition of Defending a Federal Criminal Case (had time to kill and stopped by dad's law office)

One thing that jumped out at me is, according to the Bureau of Prison's own numbers, violent felons have somewhere around a 63-66% recidivism rate. The sex crime felons had a rate somewhere between 13-16. (Ba dum tish, but also true)

And that's with virtually nonexistent treatment programs that cost a fraction of incarceration.

I'm just musing here, but what if we upped the good time rate so that cons could be paroled early into treatment programs appropriate for them (anger management for violent, drug treatment, etc)? The catch would be any violation of parole more than a parking ticket results the con taking the express shuttle back to prison and invalidation of any earned/future good time during that sentence?


Not until people start to understand what statistics mean. Not you - I just mean that even if your plan reduced the actual quantity of crimes committed AND saved money (both very possible outcomes) the whole thing would be deemed evil when the first of the 13-16% crowd reoffended (which would happen, well, 13-16%) of the time.

You know, because one is too many. None is an impossible goal, but it's still used to throw out imperfect but workable solutions.
 
2011-02-07 07:18:25 PM

HowlingPook: Speaking of debtors prisons, maybe states and counties should look at how they operated and develop similar models. In the old European prisons fee for service was common. Better food, your own bed/cell, more privileges cost X. No rape, add Y. Conjugal visits, add Z. If you can afford XYZ, prison isn't such a bad place. According to friends of mine, this how Mexican and South American prisons have operated for years. Municipalities could actually cover a lot of their costs because people would come up with the money given a choice.


And many people had a life sentence for the unforgivable crime of being poor. Many charged you cost plus a healthy profit for the privilege of being incarcerated just as a baseline. The extra fees were designed specifically to squeeze every single possible penny from you, unless you were gentried enough to outspend their greed. So, even accepting the equivalent of the Turkish Prison Experience (tm), you were going to come out of the deal with debt - which means they kept you locked up longer because now you had "stolen" from them with your lying in filth eating moldy food and drinking contaminated rain-water. Either your family pretty much became indentured servants of the warden or you rotted in jail for pickpocketing a guinea - or they went out and started stealing like bastards to maybe pay your bills. And on the upper end of the scale, toffs didn't give a flying fig about crime because they got a nice safe place to chill where the worst part was having to have the whores brought to them instead of going to the doxy-alleys. We got rid of these types of jails because they did no good: the poor got shafted far in excess of the crimes they were committing and lost any real chance of ever becoming a productive member of society, while the rich considered crime a fun way to get a little vacation among the natives.

Payee prisons make about as much sense as payee fire protection - perfect on paper right up until some bastard gets in charge of the operation, and then it's Devil take the hindmost
 
2011-02-07 07:25:13 PM
Why do I (representing one of many taxpayers) have to pay the expense of Billy Bob or Jaquarius lounging around in jail... getting fed, not having to work, getting a free lawyer, etc.?

They caused their situation. If the jail/prison has a work program, let them spend their otherwise idle time earning some money to pay the expense. After they get out, it's a reason for them to get a job.... to learn how to pay their bills and be a responsible member of society.

The same people that don't want jailbirds to pay for their stay are also complaining about higher taxes. Make up your minds.


***Skipping the replies to the ignorant "But what about all the innocent people wrongly jailed?" comments....because:

a) Constant whining about injustice does not make it true
b) All criminals are innocent... just ask them.
 
2011-02-07 07:26:43 PM

SnakeLee: What small dicked, vindictive fark thought up this plan? This is only going to make things worse. I can't believe anybody thought this would work.


I agree with you in principle. But this isn't anything new.
 
2011-02-07 07:40:35 PM

RatOmeter: no butt sex, no drugs, no wine, no women, no fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark.


Everyone around me is a total stranger, everyone attacks me like a bunghole ranger...
 
2011-02-07 07:41:39 PM
Are jail fees tax deductible?
 
2011-02-07 07:43:01 PM
And what about a guy who gets life in prison? He never gets out, so he never has to pay! That's bullshiat!!!!!
 
2011-02-07 07:46:33 PM
This is why I always make sure to pay my jail insurance. I mean, sure, I don't have a pre-existing condition, but why should my tax dollars have to go towards making you a more just person?

Damn liberals, trying to make ME pay for YOUR incarcaration. Do you know how much the death sentence costs? If you are oh-so-guilty of murder, why don't you just kill yourself? Why does that have to be MY burden?
 
2011-02-07 07:47:26 PM

tukatz: The same people that don't want jailbirds to pay for their stay are also complaining about higher taxes. Make up your minds.


Actually, I prefer the good, solid American patriotic idea of payed prisons instead of European-created debt prisons; and think we need to raise taxes*

And payee prisons are bad because they either (1) charge so much even a misdemeanor is going to make you a permanent debt-slave, or (2) so piddling to stop (1) that it costs more to track all the payments owed than they are worth. I have no problem with paying for prisons as a taxpayer because I prefer that there is some scintilla of hope the guy might be able to turn it around without having to worry about crippling debt for most, if not all, of his life, and it saves me wasted money from administering what are token payments at best, just so I can polish my e-peen. It is also the reason I happily pay for education even though most of my neighbors' kids are imbecilic morons - I am paying for the convenience of living in a society that is better than the craptacular mess that was 1700s England (and 1600s England, and 1500s England, and 1400s England, and ...). I mean, if your idea of societal nirvana is a plague-infested hellhole of being worked to death for tuppence, with no chance of improvement at all because it's illegal to get ahead, and your rights float somewhere between (a) murdering you is barely a social gaffe, much less a crime, and (b)you are required to thank the gallant lord for raping you, and no, you don't mind the lack of lube and the near-death beating afterward, because sir needs his little joys; then may I interest you in some delightful little pestilent hellholes in the Third World that are right up your alley - I hear Somalia is quite delightful this time of year

*virtually everyone complains about we spend too much, but virtually all of those balk at actually cutting anything. In other words Americans generally like the general level of government service they get, but want it for free. As such, we need to buckle down and pay for what we have, i.e raise taxes - the current system is akin to going to your boss and demanding he lower your salary because you hate to pay the bills, and less money means lower bills.
 
2011-02-07 07:49:55 PM

tukatz: The same people that don't want jailbirds to pay for their stay are also complaining about higher taxes. Make up your minds.


***Skipping the replies to the ignorant "But what about all the innocent people wrongly jailed?" comments....because:

a) Constant whining about injustice does not make it true
b) All criminals are innocent... just ask them.


So all convicted criminals are actually guilty? Is that what you're really implying? I'm gonna place a bet that you think everyone killed by the US army is a terrorist and everyone shot to death by the police must have done *something* wrong.
 
2011-02-07 07:50:55 PM

tukatz: Why do I (representing one of many taxpayers) have to pay the expense of Billy Bob or Jaquarius lounging around in jail... getting fed, not having to work, getting a free lawyer, etc.?

They caused their situation. If the jail/prison has a work program, let them spend their otherwise idle time earning some money to pay the expense. After they get out, it's a reason for them to get a job.... to learn how to pay their bills and be a responsible member of society.

The same people that don't want jailbirds to pay for their stay are also complaining about higher taxes. Make up your minds.


***Skipping the replies to the ignorant "But what about all the innocent people wrongly jailed?" comments....because:

a) Constant whining about injustice does not make it true
b) All criminals are innocent... just ask them.


So just gloss over our points and go right back on the 'I don't understand this, so I'm against it' train?

Feel free to ignore us 'Ignorant posters' who feel there is a bigger debate to be had, you keep seeing shiat in black and white. I'll stand by my stance, go and get arrested, develop some experience and some empathy, come back and defend your position. I guarantee your tune will change.
 
2011-02-07 07:51:31 PM
Jster422: Pancoaifo: Dirtybird97: well that and there's no way that you'd get a 70% success rate. but I think you'd be a success if you could just keep 10-20% from returning. Rehabs too have a high recidivism rate. Some people aren't going to try because they can not make it on the outside.I was flipping through the most recent edition of Defending a Federal Criminal Case (had time to kill and stopped by dad's law office)One thing that jumped out at me is, according to the Bureau of Prison's own numbers, violent felons have somewhere around a 63-66% recidivism rate. The sex crime felons had a rate somewhere between 13-16. (Ba dum tish, but also true)And that's with virtually nonexistent treatment programs that cost a fraction of incarceration.I'm just musing here, but what if we upped the good time rate so that cons could be paroled early into treatment programs appropriate for them (anger management for violent, drug treatment, etc)? The catch would be any violation of parole more than a parking ticket results the con taking the express shuttle back to prison and invalidation of any earned/future good time during that sentence?

Not until people start to understand what statistics mean. Not you - I just mean that even if your plan reduced the actual quantity of crimes committed AND saved money (both very possible outcomes) the whole thing would be deemed evil when the first of the 13-16% crowd reoffended (which would happen, well, 13-16%) of the time.

You know, because one is too many. None is an impossible goal, but it's still used to throw out imperfect but workable solutions.


So can I sign you up for the Movement to Replace HS Algebra with Stats and Other More Useful Math Courses? So far it's just me but we'll have decoder rings as soon as I finish this ovaltine ...

But, you're right, people have gotten so safe in American society they feel they should be safe from even potential crime. Even when they have an "uncle" in jail somewhere for something that was totally not their fault ...
 
2011-02-07 07:52:09 PM

epoc_tnac: Damn liberals, trying to make ME pay for YOUR incarcaration.


Huh? Have you ever listened to many prisoners? Most hold societal views somewhere to the right of Goebbels. Well, excepting the pot-heads, but the nasty-ass criminals make the militia types look positively Abby Hoffman-esque
 
2011-02-07 07:59:37 PM

phalamir: Huh? Have you ever listened to many prisoners?


Have you? Sounds like you are talking out of your ass right now, but I'm sure you have an extensive anecdote to contradict my assertion that you are absolutely full of shiat.
 
2011-02-07 08:05:52 PM

stonicus: Are jail fees tax deductible?


was it a "donation"?
 
2011-02-07 08:06:17 PM

phalamir: virtually everyone complains about we spend too much, but virtually all of those balk at actually cutting anything. In other words Americans generally like the general level of government service they get, but want it for free. As such, we need to buckle down and pay for what we have, i.e raise taxes - the current system is akin to going to your boss and demanding he lower your salary because you hate to pay the bills, and less money means lower bills.


Maybe if the government would stop wasting so much money, they'd be able to maintain services without raising taxes. Raising taxes is just going to mean more money wasted or stolen with the same (or a lower) level of services. If you give someone $100 to manage for you, and they blow it on strippers, you don't give them $1000 and tell them to try harder.
 
2011-02-07 08:08:41 PM

phalamir: epoc_tnac: Damn liberals, trying to make ME pay for YOUR incarcaration.

Huh? Have you ever listened to many prisoners? Most hold societal views somewhere to the right of Goebbels. Well, excepting the pot-heads, but the nasty-ass criminals make the militia types look positively Abby Hoffman-esque


It's really not very hard to be to the right of Goebbels. He was an extreme left-winger. It's true that at the extreme ends of the spectrum, it's difficult to tell the ends apart, but still. That's like calling someone "to the left of David Duke". Real descriptive.
 
2011-02-07 08:29:03 PM

untaken_name: phalamir: epoc_tnac: Damn liberals, trying to make ME pay for YOUR incarcaration.

Huh? Have you ever listened to many prisoners? Most hold societal views somewhere to the right of Goebbels. Well, excepting the pot-heads, but the nasty-ass criminals make the militia types look positively Abby Hoffman-esque

It's really not very hard to be to the right of Goebbels. He was an extreme left-winger. It's true that at the extreme ends of the spectrum, it's difficult to tell the ends apart, but still. That's like calling someone "to the left of David Duke". Real descriptive.


Are you farking serious? You are aren't you? Goebbels was wildly anti communist, anti socialist, anti freedom and pro-fascist. He burnt books! He was the propaganda minister! How the hell can you say he was very left? You are amazing me right now. Amazement.

epoc_tnac give up man. Between untaken_name and tukatz we aren't going to find many compassionate realists who've also actually read books.
 
2011-02-07 08:37:10 PM

JimBob1015: Ordinary farking people...


If there were just some way of finding out what they owe and making them PAY.
 
2011-02-07 08:38:13 PM

tukatz: Can't afford to pay? Don't do anything to get thrown in jail.

If you get out of jail and owe money for your stay, get a farkin job.


Why is this so difficult?

An overwhelming amount of repeat offenders are looking for a place to stay for the night, free food, warmth, free detox or attention. These are not "innocent" people who are accidentally in the system.


You are the worst kind of rationalizing, lazy thinker that prevents actual rehabilitation programs that will save society money and burden of crimes from ever coming to pass.

1. What if speeding was life in prison? Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, right? You have to be a pretty immature person to actually look at the criminal justice system as that black and white.

2. It's a conflict of interest for the government to charge for imprisonment. Imprisonment is the burden that society accepts for removing dangerous people from the street and providing a deterrent to crimes. The more logical response is: don't like paying for criminals to stay in jail? Let them out.

3. If you believe that an "overwhelming amount" of prisoners are doing it for attention/food/heating, then you are simply a child. I hope you get some exposure to reality at some point.
 
2011-02-07 09:26:03 PM

Acharne: Goebbels was wildly anti communist, anti socialist, anti freedom and pro-fascist.


Do you know what the full name of the Nazi party is? Also, you don't think left-wingers burn books? Who do you think is behind the burnings (and editing) of Huckleberry Finn? Right-wingers? Nope. So maybe you should do a little research before you show your ignorance. Nah, who am I kidding? This is Fark.
 
2011-02-07 09:30:06 PM

Acharne: epoc_tnac give up man. Between untaken_name and tukatz we aren't going to find many compassionate realists who've also actually read books.


Oh, and I never claimed to be compassionate. I'm not. I hate everyone and wish the entire planet would die. I don't have any stake in who is labeled "right" or "left", so I can be honest about it. You likely see yourself as left-wing, and so don't want to be associated in any way with Nazis. That's perfectly understandable, although it's revisionist history. Also, again, there is VERY little difference between the two "wings" at the extreme ends of them. If you think there is, you haven't been paying attention.
 
2011-02-07 09:56:45 PM

Crazymuthafarker: RatOmeter: no butt sex, no drugs, no wine, no women, no fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark.

Everyone around me is a total stranger, everyone attacks me like a bunghole ranger...


I'm pleased to see that you are ignoring the linked article theme as well.

Good show.
 
2011-02-07 11:21:07 PM

untaken_name:

Do you know what the full name of the Nazi party is?


The United States is a Democratic Republic.
The People's Republic of China is the official name of China.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea is the official name of Best Korea.

FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRk. We're commies!
 
2011-02-08 12:37:16 AM
tukatz:
Constant whining about injustice does not make it true
All criminals are innocent... just ask them.


epoc_tnac:
So all convicted criminals are actually guilty?

Almost all of them.

Of course most of the guys in county jails are there due
to drug possession and/or un-paid child support.
 
2011-02-08 01:00:31 AM

untaken_name: I hate everyone and wish the entire planet would die.


Well, that does rather explain a lot - and I have some very good news for you.
 
2011-02-08 01:09:14 AM
I know a university professor who I suspect is a hardcore conservative. I ain't 100%, though, because I deliberately avoid talking politics with him. He's of the opinion that criminals ought to pay for their own incarceration, in spite of being a pretty bright guy.

I just do not see how that could ever work. What if they can't pay? Turn 'em loose?

/I know another bright guy who's a 9/11 truther. You think you know someone...
 
2011-02-08 01:16:06 AM

untaken_name: Acharne: Goebbels was wildly anti communist, anti socialist, anti freedom and pro-fascist.

Do you know what the full name of the Nazi party is? Also, you don't think left-wingers burn books? Who do you think is behind the burnings (and editing) of Huckleberry Finn? Right-wingers? Nope. So maybe you should do a little research before you show your ignorance. Nah, who am I kidding? This is Fark.


Wow. You're correct, this IS Fark. Clearly though, you need to check your facts. The Nazi party, though having socialist in the name, hated communism. Period. They are not the same thing. As was further pointed out to you by wingnut, calling yourself socialist doesn't make you one.

Now why are you assuming I'm a lefty? Hmm? I do believe in 'innocent until proven guilty' in both practise and theory. Charging a person who has not been convicted of a crime money to 'put him up at the Ritz' flies in the face of that.

Those who edited Huck Finn are morons without a 'long view' of anything. I certainly wouldn't call them 'Left'. In fact, I agree with almost all of your post. I will never agree that Goebbels was 'leftist' though, that is utter foolishness.

Calm your tongue, don't presume ignorance until it's demonstrated and frankly, stay on topic.

I think we'd likely agree on more things than not. But WW2 history is something we should all be on board with.

Do you think the Japanese were socialists and on the extreme left too?
 
2011-02-08 01:18:50 AM

whereisian: mechgreg: Except the main reason that mobsters and other organized criminals turn on their bosses is the threat of rough jail time.

In the movies, this is true.


I bet it happens more often in real life than in the movies. In real life, I think it's highly unlikely that Mr. Blonde would sit patiently in prison for four years without saying Joe's name. The longer that sentence gets, the less likely it is.

Four years is a long farking time behind bars, and no shiat - there's no honor among thieves.
 
2011-02-08 05:44:10 AM

Copper Spork: Quite right too. I don't want my taxpayer dollars being used to give free housing to criminals. If they can't afford their upkeep, let them starve. They chose to end up in jail.


Actually they did not choose to be in jail, the cops were the deciding factor....

/make the cop that books them in pay for the time the criminals have to stay
 
2011-02-08 08:14:55 AM

whereisian: mechgreg: Except the main reason that mobsters and other organized criminals turn on their bosses is the threat of rough jail time.

In the movies, this is true.


In the real world this is true as well. No one wants to do 20 years in jail when they can rat out their boss and get witness protection, a new ID and a nice house in Arizona. Henry Hill from Goodfellas was a real guy, so was Sammy the Bull, the guy who testified against John Gotti. Now imagine if Gotti told Sammy that while he was in jail the family would make sure he had the most comfortable conditions that money could buy. That would be a lot less reason for him to talk.
 
2011-02-08 09:08:07 AM
By putting an individual in jail and then charging them for their incarceration, isn't the government forcing people to "buy" jail time? Isn't one of the major screaming points against health care reform the fact that the government is forcing people to buy something? What are the odds that someone who opposes HCR supports forcing prisoners to pay for their incarceration?
 
2011-02-08 10:48:34 AM

soupgoblin: /make the cop that books them in pay for the time the criminals have to stay


Just when I didn't think this discussion could get any retardeder, here you come to restore my faith in FARK. Downward and backward!!
 
2011-02-08 01:35:48 PM
Back the colonial days they paid cops a wage based on the number of people they arrested & dragged off to jail. The obvious result of this was cops simply going out & rounding up innocent people and tossing them into jail just so that they could make more money.

Luckily the government eventually realize how incredibly stupid this system was and changed the way police earned their wages. The bounties & quotas were removed because they were proven to only add to the crime problem.

A couple hundred years later and we're back to square one, again.

Now that we have regressed back into "For Profit" law enforcement the integrity of the whole system has collapsed. Privately own prisons that charge rent are just another face of the same profit driven monster that gave us red-light cameras and confiscation laws that let's the police seize (and more importantly resell) any property at any time & without even requiring so much as an ounce of proof of any criminal activity was involved.

Even without the private prisons, so long as States continue to get money from the Federal government for incarcerating prisoners then again we will see people locked up for any reason or even no reason at all. What matters is that all the cells are kept filled with the meter running at all times.

The problem is simple: We no longer pay law enforcement to prevent crime. We pay them to arrest people & lock them up, and we pay by the head. Is it any wonder that the lists of what is considered to be criminal activity grows daily? It's all about making the quota. The lives destroyed in jails cells are no what matters. Padding paychecks - now that's what matters.
 
2011-02-08 02:06:24 PM

wingnut396: untaken_name:

Do you know what the full name of the Nazi party is?

The United States is a Democratic Republic.
The People's Republic of China is the official name of China.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea is the official name of Best Korea.

FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRk. We're commies!


Find me one plank of the Communist Manifesto that we don't practice. One. Go ahead, I'll wait.
 
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