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2011-02-06 03:13:55 PM
bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp


Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)
 
2011-02-06 03:18:38 PM
A quick search of some academic databases suggests that this has not been debunked at all! Academic Serach premiere says Dailycaller is more full of shiat than a brontosaurus bowel.
 
2011-02-06 03:19:40 PM
I hear their menstruations attract bears
 
2011-02-06 03:24:39 PM

ms_lara_croft: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)


Yet Sommers was quoted in Esquire earlier this year (2/94): "There are a lot of homely women in women's studies. Preaching these anti-male, anti-sex sermons is a way for them to compensate for various heartaches--they're just mad at the beautiful girls."


I loled.
 
2011-02-06 03:25:59 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: I hear their menstruations attract bears


spatula-city.org
 
2011-02-06 03:28:21 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: I hear their menstruations attract bears


Well, that's just great.
 
2011-02-06 03:28:41 PM

jst3p:

Yet Sommers was quoted in Esquire earlier this year (2/94): "There are a lot of homely women in women's studies. Preaching these anti-male, anti-sex sermons is a way for them to compensate for various heartaches--they're just mad at the beautiful girls."

I loled.


Hey, the ugly women's studies broads have succeeded in ruining everything for everyone.

They've convinced the world that all men are wife beating child molesters who will date rape you.
 
2011-02-06 03:30:49 PM

jst3p: ms_lara_croft: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)

Yet Sommers was quoted in Esquire earlier this year (2/94): "There are a lot of homely women in women's studies. Preaching these anti-male, anti-sex sermons is a way for them to compensate for various heartaches--they're just mad at the beautiful girls."

I loled.


I did, too. That old meme again. :) Shows how credible Sommers isn't.
 
2011-02-06 03:32:32 PM

ms_lara_croft 2011-02-06 03:13:55 PM
bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)


FAIR. lol

So where are the facts in that article?
 
2011-02-06 03:33:44 PM
I started "Big Game" Sunday off in fine style.

The old sperm bank informed me that the Black-Eyed Peas were the halftime entertainment and that "they will probably be entertaining."

I told her that if I wanted to see a white chick sing with the brothers, I would haul her ass to the projects.

Then I promptly ordered the Lingerie Bowl on P-P-V. God bless you, Lingerie Bowl!
 
2011-02-06 03:34:59 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: I hear their menstruations attract bears


Not this year
 
2011-02-06 03:35:42 PM

bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp


Asshattery aside, bookman is actually right for once.

http://www.endabuse.org/content/features/detail/1004/
 
2011-02-06 03:36:26 PM

ms_lara_croft: I did, too. That old meme again. :) Shows how credible Sommers isn't.


Kinda hard to take her seriously, that is for sure.

www.cartoonstock.com
 
2011-02-06 03:40:02 PM

ciberido: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Asshattery aside, bookman is actually right for once.

http://www.endabuse.org/content/features/detail/1004/


FTFA Linked above...

Sunday, but the increase was much smaller than on holidays such as Christmas or Memorial Day.

So, by the feminist logic, Jesus leads to domestic violence.
 
2011-02-06 03:45:00 PM

FirstNationalBastard: http://www.endabuse.org/content/features/detail/1004/

FTFA Linked above...

"Sunday, but the increase was much smaller than on holidays such as Christmas or Memorial Day."

So, by the feminist logic, Jesus leads to domestic violence.


So, by your logic, Memorial Day is a Christian holiday?
 
2011-02-06 03:48:29 PM

ciberido: FirstNationalBastard: http://www.endabuse.org/content/features/detail/1004/

FTFA Linked above...

"Sunday, but the increase was much smaller than on holidays such as Christmas or Memorial Day."

So, by the feminist logic, Jesus leads to domestic violence.

So, by your logic, Memorial Day is a Christian holiday?


Are you for real? I mean I don't agree with what he said but you followed up a "durrr" post with a full retard one.
 
2011-02-06 03:48:37 PM

jst3p: DavidVincent: cherryl taggart: I'm confused. Does the beating happen at the Super Bowl party? Do I have to stay with my husband, or can somebody else's husband take a few swings? Need to know how much ammo to pack. We're already carrying wings, nachos, and homebrew. Running out of space here.

It doesn't matter which male you are around, we all get drunk and punish women if the game is not going well. Is there a storm cellar you can lock yourself in? We should all be snoring in our Barcaloungers 2 or 3 hours after the game. It will be safe to come out then.


Once again you California freaks have to pervert everything. Around here we only punch our own woman. You touch my woman and I will kick your ass as soon as I am done kicking hers for being a whore. She must have given you some indication that she wanted your attention.



We're into wife swapping out here. We all get together and then have the wives pick out car keys from a hat. They come home with the owner of the keys and watch the came with us. We get drunk and angry and beat the shiat out of them during the 4th quarter. I guess it might sound kind of kinky to outsiders.
 
2011-02-06 03:48:57 PM

ciberido: FirstNationalBastard: http://www.endabuse.org/content/features/detail/1004/

FTFA Linked above...

"Sunday, but the increase was much smaller than on holidays such as Christmas or Memorial Day."

So, by the feminist logic, Jesus leads to domestic violence.

So, by your logic, Memorial Day is a Christian holiday?


Should I have put bold tags around Christmas so someone wouldn't ask an intelligent question like "Duh, you considur memoirul day a christian holiday?!11?!llo"
 
2011-02-06 03:49:12 PM
So who was the super genius to air Super Bowl on Valentines day a while back?
 
2011-02-06 03:49:28 PM
And she better KNOW I wanted nachos instead of a sandwich on Super Bowl Sunday without me telling her anything at all.


unless I change my mind about the nachos and she better know that without me having to tell her too!
 
2011-02-06 03:50:17 PM
The Campus Rape Myth
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html

"Campus rape ideology holds that inebriation strips women of responsibility for their actions but preserves male responsibility not only for their own actions but for their partners' as well. Thus do men again become the guardians of female well-being."

Yep just like men are wholly responsible for womens sensitivities, pregnancy, reading minds, etc.

Having tits goes a long way
 
2011-02-06 03:51:15 PM

Freschel: So who was the super genius to air Super Bowl on Valentines day a while back?


Someone who wanted to combine his wifebeating and giving her the "I'm sorry" gift into one single day instead of spreading it out across two weeks.
 
2011-02-06 03:52:26 PM
We are to the point where every damn thing is dangerous for every damn body.

The Fraidy-Cat Society....justification for the government to do whatever it wants.
 
2011-02-06 03:52:52 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: Perhaps the next bit of nonsensical hysteria they shamelessly propagate will be the "1 in 4 women will be raped in college" myth, wholly deconstructed and revealed to be just as much the silly bit of hysteria as the Super Bowl myth in this excellent article, "The Campus Rape Myth."


I went to a school of about 20,000 students. There were officially one or two rapes reported to the police and to the school per year. It was pretty easy to track as it always made front page news and even the local media.

Yet every year there were hundreds of women out lined up for whatever campus rape day is encouraged to share their rape "story". They had signs, and tshirts, and posters, banging gongs and bullhorns and whatnot. Some of them got really detailed and the nitty gritty of their rape experience. It's almost like they seem to one up one another.

Yet, how come none of them reported it to the police? We're told that so many rapes (what would have to be like 99%) go unreported by these feminist groups because women are shamed and would rather just move on. But then we have to believe these same women are adamant enough to protest in front of the whole school and all their friends, writing articles in the school newspaper, etc. But if they walked down to the police department they would collapse in shame and despair? Something seriously does not compute there.
 
2011-02-06 03:57:33 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: The Campus Rape Myth
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html

"Campus rape ideology holds that inebriation strips women of responsibility for their actions but preserves male responsibility not only for their own actions but for their partners' as well. Thus do men again become the guardians of female well-being."

Yep just like men are wholly responsible for womens sensitivities, pregnancy, reading minds, etc.

Having tits goes a long way


The reigning idiocy behind the "drunk women can't consent" dogma is that it holds ONLY women in this regard, a piss-drunk make who woke up naked next to a dead-cold sober hosebeast who took him home from a bar at last call would be laughed out of the police station and/or a rape counselling center if he tried to reported it as a "rape."

Also, a drunk woman who caused a fatal car accident or committed a murder would absolutely be held accountable for those actions, why, then, is she given a free pas when it comes to drunken sex?

Seriously, if women are so naive and delicate they need a slew of special laws to protect them (like we have to protect children, the elderly, the mentally retarded, etc,) then fine, so be it, codify these laws.

If that's the case though - and they need extra special protection - then we have to seriously talk about what citizenship rights they'll have to forfeit if, in fact, they are not equal to men in the eyes of the law.
 
2011-02-06 04:00:26 PM
If I'm single, should I just beat the nearest female? Should I go to a bar instead of a party and just hit any chick I can see that's not getting hers and forgo the party? Should I attend the party and just hit some of the women there if there are any single ones there? Should I bring an fb to watch the game with us and beat her?

I'm sorry, I don't know the rules. I'm new to this whole beating women thing, but I'm high as a kite with anticipation!
 
2011-02-06 04:00:59 PM

FirstNationalBastard: jst3p:

Yet Sommers was quoted in Esquire earlier this year (2/94): "There are a lot of homely women in women's studies. Preaching these anti-male, anti-sex sermons is a way for them to compensate for various heartaches--they're just mad at the beautiful girls."

I loled.

Hey, the ugly women's studies broads have succeeded in ruining everything for everyone.

They've convinced the world that all men are wife beating child molesters who will date rape you.


You have to get dates to be date raped.
 
2011-02-06 04:02:31 PM

boozerman: If I'm single, should I just beat the nearest female? Should I go to a bar instead of a party and just hit any chick I can see that's not getting hers and forgo the party? Should I attend the party and just hit some of the women there if there are any single ones there? Should I bring an fb to watch the game with us and beat her?

I'm sorry, I don't know the rules. I'm new to this whole beating women thing, but I'm high as a kite with anticipation!


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2011-02-06 04:02:40 PM

boozerman: If I'm single, should I just beat the nearest female? Should I go to a bar instead of a party and just hit any chick I can see that's not getting hers and forgo the party? Should I attend the party and just hit some of the women there if there are any single ones there? Should I bring an fb to watch the game with us and beat her?

I'm sorry, I don't know the rules. I'm new to this whole beating women thing, but I'm high as a kite with anticipation!


Do you live in the south, if so do you have a sister or a cousin?
 
2011-02-06 04:03:39 PM
Oh, and yes, most "rape" is buyer's remorse. Just let things happen in a way she won't regret sleeping with you. Like, don't post that you got some from so and so as your facebook status. Don't blab. Don't make her feel like a slut or have to worry about feeling like a slut.
 
2011-02-06 04:03:57 PM

jst3p: boozerman: If I'm single, should I just beat the nearest female? Should I go to a bar instead of a party and just hit any chick I can see that's not getting hers and forgo the party? Should I attend the party and just hit some of the women there if there are any single ones there? Should I bring an fb to watch the game with us and beat her?

I'm sorry, I don't know the rules. I'm new to this whole beating women thing, but I'm high as a kite with anticipation!

Do you live in the south, if so do you have a sister or a cousin?


He already said he's single.
 
2011-02-06 04:04:24 PM

FirstNationalBastard: jst3p: boozerman: If I'm single, should I just beat the nearest female? Should I go to a bar instead of a party and just hit any chick I can see that's not getting hers and forgo the party? Should I attend the party and just hit some of the women there if there are any single ones there? Should I bring an fb to watch the game with us and beat her?

I'm sorry, I don't know the rules. I'm new to this whole beating women thing, but I'm high as a kite with anticipation!

Do you live in the south, if so do you have a sister or a cousin?

He already said he's single.


Touche`
 
2011-02-06 04:06:32 PM
Not the south, but close. I'm in the great plains. I'd really hate to lose my fb over this though, we have such a good thing going. How about a random pickup?
 
2011-02-06 04:06:39 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: Ian McKellen


I don't think Ian is a catcher.

"I shall not take it in the ass!"
 
2011-02-06 04:08:38 PM

chu2dogg: Oh_Enough_Already: Perhaps the next bit of nonsensical hysteria they shamelessly propagate will be the "1 in 4 women will be raped in college" myth, wholly deconstructed and revealed to be just as much the silly bit of hysteria as the Super Bowl myth in this excellent article, "The Campus Rape Myth."

I went to a school of about 20,000 students. There were officially one or two rapes reported to the police and to the school per year. It was pretty easy to track as it always made front page news and even the local media.

Yet every year there were hundreds of women out lined up for whatever campus rape day is encouraged to share their rape "story". They had signs, and tshirts, and posters, banging gongs and bullhorns and whatnot. Some of them got really detailed and the nitty gritty of their rape experience. It's almost like they seem to one up one another.

Yet, how come none of them reported it to the police? We're told that so many rapes (what would have to be like 99%) go unreported by these feminist groups because women are shamed and would rather just move on. But then we have to believe these same women are adamant enough to protest in front of the whole school and all their friends, writing articles in the school newspaper, etc. But if they walked down to the police department they would collapse in shame and despair? Something seriously does not compute there.


That's the unique thing about "rape."

No actual investigation - let alone trial or conviction - is necessary to declare a "rape" occurred.

Try that with murder, arson, robbery, etc . . . it just won't fly.

Where I live the police report about 25 rapes a year.

Yet the local rape victims group, however, reports 250-350 a year.

Really?

How do they know they occurred absent an investigation, etc?

Nonetheless, they use their wildly inflated numbers to get more funding and further support their ideological agenda which holds that any sexual encounter - if viewed through the correct idealogical lens - can be called a "rape."

shiat, the term has been sooooooooooooooooooo watered down and made applicable to soooooooooooooooooo many things that I'm quite sure that even this post could be called a form of "rape" by daring to even question the authenticity of so many obviously non-rape "rapes."

Add to this that even daring to suggest that there are steps women could take to avoid becoming victims of assault ("hey, toots, maybe getting piss-drunk at a frat party and doing a panty-less table dance might not be the best idea") is routinely called "blaming the victim" whereas, for instance, advising a man carrying an overflowing burlap sack full of cash through a dark alley in a ghetto is "good, reasonable advice" and we're at an insurmountable idealogical impasse.

A generation of women have been indoctrinated with the insane notion that they can go anywhere, dress any way, drink as much as they wish, etc, and nothing bad could ever possible happen as a result.

This has lead them to entirely abandon the idea that they are in any way shape or form stewards of their own safety, etc, and society (and the law) has more or less agreed with them.
 
2011-02-06 04:13:13 PM

Oh_Enough_Already:

shiat, the term has been sooooooooooooooooooo watered down and made applicable to soooooooooooooooooo many things that I'm quite sure that even this post could be called a form of "rape" by daring to even question the authenticity of so many obviously non-rape "rapes."



Your wall of black text on white background has raped the rods and cones in my eyeballs. I'm not filing charges, because I don't want to be publicly embarrassed, but I am joining a support group, and we will call you a rapist every time we see you post.
 
2011-02-06 04:15:26 PM

chu2dogg: Some of them got really detailed and the nitty gritty of their rape experience. It's almost like they seem to one up one another.


Fapping to that right now!
 
2011-02-06 04:16:51 PM

DataShade: What a non-article. The author makes unsupported claims, throws out official-sounding words and appeals to authority, then stops.

"Christina Hoff Sommers, American Enterprise Institute resident scholar and equity feminist, tracked the rumor from its inception..."
So what is equity feminism? According to Wikipedia, it's a term coined in 1992 by ... Christina Hoff Sommers. From what I can tell, it's a word she made up to describe feminists whose ideals make her uncomfortable. Is it safe for me to assume, then, that Sommers is the Uncle Tom/Joe Lieberman of feminism?

"...demonstrated that despite the hysteria, women have never been in any greater danger on Super Bowl Sunday than on any other day."
It's not that I don't believe you (can't beat the shiat out of your wife in front of the boys, that makes you look weak, so you bottle up that shame and the next time she does something wrong - "why isn't that beer on a coaster, you want to ruin my grandmother's table?" "I have an important meeting tomorrow, why didn't you iron my shirt like I told you?" etc etc), but if Sommers and multiple other journalists did significant research to disprove this ten years ago, why can't anyone provide a citation?


In the time it took you to post this, you could have googled about it and read the debunkings on snopes as well as straightdope, and that would have led you, as others have pointed out to discover that:

A) there is a small effect on holidays
B) superbowl day, considered as a holiday, is smaller than other holidays
C) Laura Flanders is part of the FAIR crew that disseminated this nonsense
D) Laura Flanders in her post doesn't actually argue that FAIR didn't lie about domestic violence, just points out that FAIR never claimed their lie was based on a national study
E) Up above, an used ta be famous internet feminist points to a Laura Flanders that claims that FAIR was abused by Ken Ringle of the Washington Post. Flanders doesn't mention that she was part specifically part of the FAIR crew that Ken Ringle singled out by name as a bullshiat artist, she just writes her piece never telling others that Ringle personally named her.
F) No other journalists have ever thought Ken Ringle was the bullshiat offensive dude that Laura Flanders claims him to be. Quite the contrary in fact.

But nice troll all in all.
9/10
 
2011-02-06 04:20:35 PM

RoyBatty: DataShade: What a non-article. The author makes unsupported claims, throws out official-sounding words and appeals to authority, then stops.


Oh yes, the original study, which was local, and not national, did not test for domestic violence admissions to ERs, just for admissions to ERs, which conflates women caught in a drunk driving accident on the way home from the superbowl party with women in the ER for domestic violence with women in the ER for perhaps even burning themselves in the kitchen making superbowl snacks or any other reason that women might have increased visits to the ER on a "holiday".
 
2011-02-06 04:25:55 PM

ms_lara_croft: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)


Wait, you're using the organization that provided the false statistics as the source to show that the false numbers were correct?

Derp?
 
2011-02-06 04:26:49 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: A generation of women have been indoctrinated with the insane notion that they can go anywhere, dress any way, drink as much as they wish, etc, and nothing bad could ever possible happen as a result.


Well, I wasn't a frat boy but I had semi-weekly college parties and drunk, scandily clad women were highly encouraged to dance on tables (i used to put redline in the jungle juice and blast techno while watching the madness unfold)

I would have made sure nothing bad could ever happen. But no situation ever came up. I'm sure that's not the case everywhere, but I think it's a rarity. Just my personal experience. College is probably the safest of places for a young women to be on Earth and the statistics show that.
 
2011-02-06 04:31:21 PM

chu2dogg: Oh_Enough_Already: A generation of women have been indoctrinated with the insane notion that they can go anywhere, dress any way, drink as much as they wish, etc, and nothing bad could ever possible happen as a result.

Well, I wasn't a frat boy but I had semi-weekly college parties and drunk, scandily clad women were highly encouraged to dance on tables (i used to put redline in the jungle juice and blast techno while watching the madness unfold)

I would have made sure nothing bad could ever happen. But no situation ever came up. I'm sure that's not the case everywhere, but I think it's a rarity. Just my personal experience. College is probably the safest of places for a young women to be on Earth and the statistics show that.


Agreed entirely.

Nonetheless, the victimization industry parrots the notion it's one of the MOST dangerous places (read the article I linked to earlier) and a woman doing as I described who then, say, went upstairs and had sex with three guys - all equally drunk, mind you - would then be told that she was "raped" if/when she regretted or otherwise thought better of her DECISION.
 
2011-02-06 04:33:33 PM

dartben: ms_lara_croft: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)

Wait, you're using the organization that provided the false statistics as the source to show that the false numbers were correct?

Derp?


dartben: ms_lara_croft: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)

Wait, you're using the organization that provided the false statistics as the source to show that the false numbers were correct?

Derp?


The original public service announcement was this: "The Super Bowl is one of the most widely viewed television events every year. Unfortunately, women's shelters report that Super Bowl Sunday is also one of the worst days of the year for violence against women in the home." Flanders also wrote "Sommers claims to be a skeptic who believes in going to the original source, but neither she nor Ringle ever called the national FAIR office in New York to check their stories or get copies of the materials that FAIR distributed." Snopes even got the headline wrong when it wrote that the myth was "More women are victims of domestic violence on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day of the year." Not what the PSA or FAIR said. Sommers and Ringle didn't do their research. Snopes wasn't much better, which disappointed me because I like Snopes.
 
2011-02-06 04:39:24 PM
Tofu: Ann Coulter, Al Franken, David Brooks, and hundreds of other journalists and pundits have written books, and that doesn't automatically make any of them correct. The ones who invented their own field of expertise or founded their own political party make me very suspicious - or are you the world's second registered members of Connecticut for Lieberman?

Let me just see if I've got this straight - you're willing to believe someone who says, "more women are abused on Super Bowl Sunday" but if someone says, "uh, that isn't true" - you expect that person to provide a citation - a citation of a negative. That's your standard. Wow.

No, I'm saying that if a coalition of scholars and journalists put a lot of work into disproving something over a decade ago, why isn't there a link right in the article?

This is an amazing statement. She says what kind of prejudice, and against whom in the very first sentence you quoted. But since "against whom" isn't "women" you're completely blind to it. Myths about domestic violence perpetuate the myth that women [who are victims of domestic violence] are victims and men [who commit acts of domestic violence] are brutes.
 
2011-02-06 04:40:00 PM

dartben: ms_lara_croft: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)

Wait, you're using the organization that provided the false statistics as the source to show that the false numbers were correct?

Derp?


The message is good though, anecdotes are not valid data. Anecdotes like hers.
 
2011-02-06 04:40:55 PM

ms_lara_croft: Snopes even got the headline wrong when it wrote that the myth was "More women are victims of domestic violence on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day of the year." Not what the PSA or FAIR said. Sommers and Ringle didn't do their research. Snopes wasn't much better, which disappointed me because I like Snopes.


To be fair, that could be a "user submitted" headline because that is a pretty common misinterpretation of what the PSA said. They weren't debunking the PSA, they were debunking an urban legend.

I know I have heard "More women are victims of domestic violence on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day of the year." before.
 
2011-02-06 04:41:33 PM

bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Be that as it may, you can if you like just ignore these inconvenient facts so as not to harsh your righteous proggie glow and irrational hatred of anything "Murikan."


So that's all very vehement, but none of it rebutts the contention that it's a crap article; none of it answers the question: why can't a paid journalist include a link that proves her own point?
 
2011-02-06 04:42:43 PM

ms_lara_croft: dartben: ms_lara_croft: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)

Wait, you're using the organization that provided the false statistics as the source to show that the false numbers were correct?

Derp?

dartben: ms_lara_croft: bookman: However, in this case there is, in fact, quite a bit of research done by Snopes.com. And, personally, I'll take Snopes over mindlessly repeated proggie/libtard meme any day of the week.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

Snopes didn't get it right, either. I take your Snopes and raise you Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting

"The 'Stolen Feminism' Myth: Anti-Feminist Attack Based on Error-Filled Anecdotes" by Laura Flanders (Scroll down to "Sea of Credulity)

Wait, you're using the organization that provided the false statistics as the source to show that the false numbers were correct?

Derp?

The original public service announcement was this: "The Super Bowl is one of the most widely viewed television events every year. Unfortunately, women's shelters report that Super Bowl Sunday is also one of the worst days of the year for violence against women in the home." Flanders also wrote "Sommers claims to be a skeptic who believes in going to the original source, but neither she nor Ringle ever called the national FAIR office in New York to check their stories or get copies of the materials that FAIR distributed." Snopes even got the headline wrong when it wrote that the myth was "More women are victims of domestic violence on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day of the year." Not what the PSA or FAIR said. Sommers and Ringle didn't do their research. Snopes wasn't much better, which disappointed me because I like Snopes.


Be that as it may, it's a bit rediculous to use FAIR as an unbiased source when Snopes is specificially critical of FAIR itself. Gee, no wonder they refute anyone dismissing the numbers - they've got a vested interest in not being shown to be liars (or, at least, great stretchers of truth).

It's a bit like using Jenny McCarthy as a source in the autism-vaccine shiatshow.
 
2011-02-06 04:48:45 PM

ms_lara_croft: The original public service announcement was this: "The Super Bowl is one of the most widely viewed television events every year. Unfortunately, women's shelters report that Super Bowl Sunday is also one of the worst days of the year for violence against women in the home." Flanders also wrote "Sommers claims to be a skeptic who believes in going to the original source, but neither she nor Ringle ever called the national FAIR office in New York to check their stories or get copies of the materials that FAIR distributed." Snopes even got the headline wrong when it wrote that the myth was "More women are victims of domestic violence on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day of the year." Not what the PSA or FAIR said. Sommers and Ringle didn't do their research. Snopes wasn't much better, which disappointed me because I like Snopes.


As I said, Flanders rebuttal is not that their study was bullshiat through and through, but FAIR is all butthurt that the WAPO claimed FAIR said their study was national when it was local and mostly anecdotes.

And contrary to Flanders statement, FAIR itself backed away from their claim very quickly.

Here's some more:

http://www.skepdic.com/essays/superbowl.html

This post explains that Sheila Kuhl, using FAIR's materials, and with a FAIR spokesperson right next to her made the claim that:

Sheila Kuhl, head of the California Women's Law Center that Super Bowl Sunday (SBS) is "the biggest day of the year for violence against women."

So while ms_lara_croft complains that Laura Flanders says that FAIR never made that connection, the truth is that in FAIR's presence, and next to a FAIR individual who knew the statement was bullshiat, the statement WAS made (by Sheila Kuhl, soon to be a state representative.)

Here's the straight dope link, which points out the study was a study over two years of dv after winning football games, not a superbowl study at all.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2546/does-violence-against-women-rise- 4 0-during-the-super-bowl

The folks at FAIR were kind enough to send me the Old Dominion study ("The Impact of Professional Football Games Upon Violent Assaults on Women," G. F. White, J. Katz, and K. E. Scarborough, Violence and Victims, vol. 7, no. 2, pp. 157-171, 1992). Over a two-year period 680 women were treated in emergency rooms for assaults, lacerations, etc.--an average of less than one per day. The statistical analysis is dense and difficult to follow, but a footnote contained the following:

On the day of a win the actual mean number of women admitted is 1.05, the average expected number is 0.75, one day after a win, actual 0.80; expected = 0.58; two days after a win, actual 0.70, expected 0.63.

On "win" days, therefore, violence increased 40%. But there were only 20 such days during the two-year study period. Doing the arithmetic, we find that 15 cases were expected, while the actual number was 21--a difference of six cases. You can trick this out with all the statistical jargon you like, but it seems foolish to base any grand conclusions on such trifling numbers.

- Cecil Adams
 
2011-02-06 04:49:19 PM

jst3p: ms_lara_croft: Snopes even got the headline wrong when it wrote that the myth was "More women are victims of domestic violence on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day of the year." Not what the PSA or FAIR said. Sommers and Ringle didn't do their research. Snopes wasn't much better, which disappointed me because I like Snopes.

To be fair, that could be a "user submitted" headline because that is a pretty common misinterpretation of what the PSA said. They weren't debunking the PSA, they were debunking an urban legend.


Fair enough, but it's Snopes' job to keep on top of those things because it's supposed to be a myth-debunking site. Starting off with a wrong headline doesn't make you look good. Snopes is usually pretty good about that, but not this time.

I know I have heard "More women are victims of domestic violence on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day of the year." before.

I've heard it too, but I knew the moment I heard it the first time it wasn't what the public service announcement said. It's one of the bad days for abused women, not the top one. I don't know if it's that way any more. Maybe not. All the public service announcement wanted to do as far as I can tell was bring attention to domestic violence on a day when lots of people would be watching television - which also was a day which at that time had shown problems with domestic violence. And contrary to what some have written here already, the PSA wasn't saying "ZOMG! All men beat up their women on Super Bowl Sunday!" It was really about men who are already abusive.
 
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