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(Some Piggy Backer)   Using someone else's wi-fi connection is not illegal, unless it is; with the exception of when it isn't. Hope that clears things up   (yle.fi) divider line 117
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2011-02-05 09:26:13 AM
If there's no password on the connection then you are in the clear.
 
2011-02-05 09:46:29 AM
Pedobear rubbing his hands in glee....
 
2011-02-05 09:52:43 AM

Thudfark: Pedobear rubbing his hands in glee....


Oh yes, because everyone on the Internet is a pedophile....
 
2011-02-05 10:41:36 AM

Weaver95: Thudfark: Pedobear rubbing his hands in glee....

Oh yes, because everyone on the Internet is a pedophile....


That and cops pretending to be 12 year old girls. So I've heard.
 
2011-02-05 12:20:24 PM
Man if I don't get my Finnish tech law fix every weekend I am miserable. Thanks Fark!
 
2011-02-05 12:23:08 PM
My idiot Vista laptop (no, I'm not upgrading to windows 7 for 40% of the original cost of the machine) insists on switching over to my neighbor's unpassworded router even when left running on the desk my own wireless router sits on. Why it wants wireless from a router fifty feet away instead of two and half feet away is a mystery. I finally went over and passworded their router just for my own convenience.
 
2011-02-05 12:24:01 PM
If you run a hose out to the sidewalk and put a sign on it that says "free water!" it shouldnt be a crime for me to wash my car with it. That's pretty much what you're doing when your wireless says "linksys" and there's no password.
 
2011-02-05 12:24:22 PM

wozzeck: My idiot Vista laptop (no, I'm not upgrading to windows 7 for 40% of the original cost of the machine) insists on switching over to my neighbor's unpassworded router even when left running on the desk my own wireless router sits on. Why it wants wireless from a router fifty feet away instead of two and half feet away is a mystery. I finally went over and passworded their router just for my own convenience.


or you could have changed your setting to ONLY use your router.
which would have saved you on the walking
 
2011-02-05 12:25:18 PM
i actually made a couple of friends by having someone steal my wifi.
i noticed that somebody else was using my connection and they used their full name as their computer name (it showed up on my itunes for some reason). so i did a facebook search and found their profile and they had an aim screen name on their fb page. i instant messaged her and asked her how it was going and if she was enjoying stealing my internet connection. then my roommates and i invited her and her roommates over and we all became the best of friends

/cool story bro
 
2011-02-05 12:27:48 PM
Yo, Dynamite Monkey, I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finnish, but Switzerland has the best tech laws of all time. OF ALL TIME!
 
2011-02-05 12:37:37 PM
I got a call from my ISP last week about someone sending vast quantities of spam emails from my account. My router is password protected, but I did have a virus on my machine (seemingly a common one--google searches were being re-routed to other websites). So I changed the password, ran five different anti-virus thingys and got rid of the google problem. I'd better not be hearing from them again, because the next phone call will not be so friendly, when they tell me if I can't track down the problem, it's because I'm sending the spam. and then they shut down my internet.

farking spammers, anyway. The guy who called was careful to explain to me that SOME people would use unprotected routers to get kiddie porn and other undesirable things. I could tell he didn't believe me when I told him I had a password on it, either. Or that I knew anything whatsoever about computers, like what a "router" was. Because he'd never heard of a virus capable of sending spam through my account. Well, neither have I, but I don't know what else it could have been. Let's hope that's the end of it.
 
2011-02-05 12:42:07 PM

wozzeck: My idiot Vista laptop (no, I'm not upgrading to windows 7 for 40% of the original cost of the machine) insists on switching over to my neighbor's unpassworded router even when left running on the desk my own wireless router sits on. Why it wants wireless from a router fifty feet away instead of two and half feet away is a mystery. I finally went over and passworded their router just for my own convenience.


Yeah, my Windows 7 laptop automatically connects to my neighbor's unprotected internet as well. Free internet for me, I guess.
 
2011-02-05 12:43:04 PM

Weaver95: If there's no password on the connection then you are in the clear.


Yes, but it's still illegal, if that's clear.
 
2011-02-05 12:47:38 PM

Weaver95: If there's no password on the connection then you are in the clear.


If there is no lock on your door are burglars in the clear as well?
 
2011-02-05 12:49:09 PM
Doesn't matter if there is a password or not, it's still a felony.

Chance of getting charged with a crime is 1 in 1,000,000, but that's at the government's discretion
 
2011-02-05 12:49:41 PM

cryinoutloud: I got a call from my ISP last week about someone sending vast quantities of spam emails from my account. My router is password protected, but I did have a virus on my machine (seemingly a common one--google searches were being re-routed to other websites). So I changed the password, ran five different anti-virus thingys and got rid of the google problem. I'd better not be hearing from them again, because the next phone call will not be so friendly, when they tell me if I can't track down the problem, it's because I'm sending the spam. and then they shut down my internet.

farking spammers, anyway. The guy who called was careful to explain to me that SOME people would use unprotected routers to get kiddie porn and other undesirable things. I could tell he didn't believe me when I told him I had a password on it, either. Or that I knew anything whatsoever about computers, like what a "router" was. Because he'd never heard of a virus capable of sending spam through my account. Well, neither have I, but I don't know what else it could have been. Let's hope that's the end of it.


That used to be a pretty common attack. ISPs then starting using their own remailers so you needed an account. Next time ask him what the pop settings for the isp are and why 3rd party mail goes through their server.
 
2011-02-05 12:50:47 PM
HEy, YOUR wireless access point took remote control of my laptop using DHCP, all i did was turn on my computer. fark you, put a farking password on it, or turn off DHCP.
 
2011-02-05 12:54:19 PM
I don't protect my wireless router (except for a password). Of course, having no neighbors closer than 1/4 mile or so makes it pretty irrelevant anyway.....
 
2011-02-05 12:54:22 PM
 
2011-02-05 12:54:41 PM

Fallout Boy: Weaver95: If there's no password on the connection then you are in the clear.

If there is no lock on your door are burglars in the clear as well?


The router is more of the yard. If there's no fence around the yard, you can walk across it. Entering the house (the person's computer) is still illegal (as mentioned in the article).
 
2011-02-05 12:55:59 PM

Fallout Boy: Weaver95: If there's no password on the connection then you are in the clear.

If there is no lock on your door are burglars in the clear as well?


you really don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?
 
2011-02-05 12:56:17 PM
i don't think any of my neighbors are stealing my wifi, although i do suspect that one of them is leaving his porno and food network recipes on my computer somehow.
 
2011-02-05 12:57:25 PM

Chimperror2: Weaver95: If there's no password on the connection then you are in the clear.

Yes, but it's still illegal, if that's clear.


actually - it's NOT illegal at all. open wi-fi hotspots are free and available access to anyone within range. don't want someone using it? put a password on it.
 
2011-02-05 12:58:16 PM
my router is called "flying monkeys outta my butt" I can't remember the password, it might be "passthelube" If anything it gives the people in the apartment next door a laugh as they log on to the unprotected d-link from the neighbor across the street.
 
2011-02-05 12:59:10 PM
Unknown_Poltroon
HEy, YOUR wireless access point took remote control of my laptop using DHCP, all i did was turn on my computer. fark you, put a farking password on it, or turn off DHCP.

Hey, YOUR laptop was asking for it.
Better tell it to behave less slutty around unknown APs, put a farking sane network configuration on it or turn off its DHCP client.
 
2011-02-05 01:01:18 PM
I think the router is more of a vagina.
 
2011-02-05 01:01:28 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: HEy, YOUR wireless access point took remote control of my laptop using DHCP, all i did was turn on my computer. fark you, put a farking password on it, or turn off DHCP.


Yeah, why should YOU have to go to the trouble unselecting the checkbox that says "Automatically connect to unsecured wireless networks"
 
2011-02-05 01:02:58 PM

Fallout Boy: If there is no lock on your door are burglars in the clear as well?


If the door is actively broadcasting that there is an open house, and you've left it programmed with specific instructions to grant me entry when I ask then yes, I'd feel comfortable entering.

Every time this subject comes up somebody makes this ridiculous argument and ignores the fact an open router actively announces it presence and chooses who to allow access to. It's impossible in most cases for an end user to know whether the router owner specifically intended to do this or is just too stupid to program their equipment.

It's really no different than browsing a web site. Do you specifically ask the owner before you visit a web site to make sure it's OK with them, or do you just assume if they haven't protected their web site it's public information?

Putting the onus on the end user to determine the intentions of the owner of an access point needlessly complicates everything and makes the lives of those of us who intentionally provide an open connection more difficult.
 
2011-02-05 01:04:15 PM
The internet law will change to the same thing it was in the past. Got it.
 
2011-02-05 01:04:52 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: i don't think any of my neighbors are stealing my wifi, although i do suspect that one of them is leaving his porno and food network recipes on my computer somehow.


That happens to me too. So if I see a browser titled "Buttered Cornish Hen" it's a fun little game to guess which it is before opening it : )

/we need a thread: "Recipe or Porn Site?"
 
2011-02-05 01:09:26 PM

wozzeck: My idiot Vista laptop (no, I'm not upgrading to windows 7 for 40% of the original cost of the machine) insists on switching over to my neighbor's unpassworded router even when left running on the desk my own wireless router sits on. Why it wants wireless from a router fifty feet away instead of two and half feet away is a mystery. I finally went over and passworded their router just for my own convenience.


Search Network and Sharing (center) from the start menu, open that, look on the left, you can rearrange the networks so that it connects to the top one first, or remove ones you don't want to connect to. It just automatically adds them in arbitrary order if you don't.
/This is from Win 7 but I assume the same feature is there
 
2011-02-05 01:13:50 PM

EtherGnat: Every time this subject comes up somebody makes this ridiculous argument and ignores the fact an open router actively announces it presence and chooses who to allow access to. It's impossible in most cases for an end user to know whether the router owner specifically intended to do this or is just too stupid to program their equipment..


it's mostly the same small cult of fark authoritarians who bring up that dumb argument. ignorance of technology + small minded authoritarian mindset = OMGHACKERSTHECHILDRUNPEDOBEARGAYNAZIABORTIONS!

don't try to understand it dude. it'll give you a headache.
 
2011-02-05 01:18:37 PM
I work for a WISP, have done tech support, installs, tower builds, and customer troubleshooting.

It should be illegal to broadcast and unsecured wireless network. WEP, WPA, mac ACL, or even a radius server with authenticated dhcp is security, There is more out there tan just a wifi pass phrase.

Ignorance of technology that I hear about is no excuse "well I don't understand all that, so i'll just plug it in and it works"

\most people are to stupid to own a computer
\\they should be charged
\\\ignorance of technology is no excuse
 
2011-02-05 01:22:00 PM
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2011-02-05 01:24:04 PM

crazypete: It should be illegal to broadcast and unsecured wireless network.


Lucky for the rest of us, sanity has so far prevented that viewpoint from gaining any sort of traction in the legislature.
 
2011-02-05 01:27:23 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: i don't think any of my neighbors are stealing my wifi, although i do suspect that one of them is leaving his porno and food network recipes on my computer somehow.


Must be the guy that came up with this (new window)
 
2011-02-05 01:30:24 PM

Weaver95: crazypete: It should be illegal to broadcast and unsecured wireless network.

Lucky for the rest of us, sanity has so far prevented that viewpoint from gaining any sort of traction in the legislature.


If some one is stealing you internet through your own wifi network, the "I didn't know it would be wireless outside too" defense, should not be applicable.
 
2011-02-05 01:32:02 PM
I know I hate when I put furniture outside on the sidewalk with a sign that says "FREE FURNITURE" and then watch helplessly as people walk off with my furniture.
 
2011-02-05 01:32:17 PM

crazypete: Weaver95: crazypete: It should be illegal to broadcast and unsecured wireless network.

Lucky for the rest of us, sanity has so far prevented that viewpoint from gaining any sort of traction in the legislature.

If some one is stealing you internet through your own wifi network, the "I didn't know it would be wireless outside too" defense, should not be applicable.


so how does one 'steal you internet'?
 
2011-02-05 01:32:44 PM

Weaver95: Chimperror2: Weaver95: If there's no password on the connection then you are in the clear.

Yes, but it's still illegal, if that's clear.

actually - it's NOT illegal at all. open wi-fi hotspots are free and available access to anyone within range. don't want someone using it? put a password on it.


Actually it IS illegal, in Finland anyway. Did you RTFA?
 
2011-02-05 01:34:09 PM

BunkoSquad: I know I hate when I put furniture outside on the sidewalk with a sign that says "FREE FURNITURE" and then watch helplessly as people walk off with my furniture.


Sorry, after reading that, I realize I just contributed another craptastic analogy to a topic that draws them out of the woodwork. I mean "watch helplessly as people sit on my furniture from time to time"
 
2011-02-05 01:37:05 PM
cache.gawkerassets.com
 
2011-02-05 01:37:07 PM
Sorry for the spelling, I do make typos. but my point is, if you give something away and don't even try to keep it to your self, how is it stealing when some one takes it.

If I have a long range micro phone, and a telescope to watch a tv show through your window, Am I stealing you show that you are giving me low quality access to?
 
2011-02-05 01:43:08 PM

cryinoutloud: Because he'd never heard of a virus capable of sending spam through my account. Well, neither have I, but I don't know what else it could have been. Let's hope that's the end of it.


Never heard of the melissa virus/worm? It's been around a decade now. Yes, it'd send emails using your account.

Other than that, there's various ones that'll sniff and transmit your password, perhaps even install a rootkit and allow the owners of the infection to do whatever they want with your box, and yes, spam is a popular choice.
 
2011-02-05 01:45:00 PM

Weaver95: Thudfark: Pedobear rubbing his hands in glee....

Oh yes, because everyone on the Internet is a pedophile....



Your comment made about as much sense as that article.
 
2011-02-05 01:45:09 PM
No password wifi is not like an unlocked door. It's like putting stuff on the curb in front of your house, next to the garbage cans on trash day. If you wanted exclusive use of it, you wouldn't have left it out there.
 
2011-02-05 01:51:07 PM
Obligatory... (new window)
 
2011-02-05 01:56:54 PM

albert71292: Obligatory... (new window)


brings up another question:
If you find someone with an unsecured wireless router, is it wrong to secure it for them?
 
2011-02-05 01:58:06 PM
The analogies to other types of crime and carelessness are annoying. Dennis Miller should come in here and punk all you biatches.

The condition is caused by someone intentionally or ignorantly leaving their wifi unsecured as its broadcast range extends into areas not owned or controlled by the subscriber. Any open AP could be a violation of the ISP's policy, but that is not criminal.

Reality has little to do with the application of laws, especially if the law was written before this technology was invented.

As an owner of an AP, I lock it down so that wardrivers go for low hanging fruit elsewhere and don't make trouble that traces back to me. As the owner of a wifi client, I risk eavesdropping (look up firesheep) or arbitrary enforcement of old or poorly-written laws.

You can't legislate to fix stupid and those who want to leech will do so. Only the stupid or unfotunate will get caught.
 
2011-02-05 02:01:04 PM

wagnerism: The analogies to other types of crime and carelessness are annoying. Dennis Miller should come in here and punk all you biatches.

The condition is caused by someone intentionally or ignorantly leaving their wifi unsecured as its broadcast range extends into areas not owned or controlled by the subscriber. Any open AP could be a violation of the ISP's policy, but that is not criminal.

Reality has little to do with the application of laws, especially if the law was written before this technology was invented.

As an owner of an AP, I lock it down so that wardrivers go for low hanging fruit elsewhere and don't make trouble that traces back to me. As the owner of a wifi client, I risk eavesdropping (look up firesheep) or arbitrary enforcement of old or poorly-written laws.

You can't legislate to fix stupid and those who want to leech will do so. Only the stupid or unfotunate will get caught.


well put, Im done here
 
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