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(Grand Forks Herald)   Regional jail to charge prisoners $20/day to stay there   (grandforks.com) divider line 75
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2003-07-19 11:07:42 PM
Double Jeopardy?
 
2003-07-19 11:12:55 PM
You know this is one of the few cases where if you handed over the reins to the Mafia to run the joint, then it would probably turn a profit....
 
2003-07-19 11:26:27 PM
If you don't pay, do you get kicked out?
 
2003-07-19 11:27:07 PM
Um... warden? Yeah I couldn't make rent again this month. So does this mean you're gonna evict me?
 
2003-07-19 11:28:01 PM
So what happens if the inmate doesn't pay the rent? Do they call the police? I would be like, "I'm not paying. What are you gonna do, throw me in jail?"
 
2003-07-19 11:28:03 PM
What is the police going to do about non-payment? Throw you in jail for not being able to pay for going to jail?

oh wow, I can't find work because I'm a convict! I guess its BACK TO JAIL for me!
 
2003-07-19 11:28:24 PM
isn't this the same as the fines they almost always assign when you go to jail for under 60 days......
 
2003-07-19 11:28:54 PM
What;s new about this? I think it's 35 a day here in Ohio.
 
2003-07-19 11:29:53 PM
Don't I pay taxes for shiat like this?
 
2003-07-19 11:30:53 PM
I demand to paid for not going to jail
 
2003-07-19 11:31:55 PM
The little Midwestern town I live in charges inmates $98 a week to stay in the county jail. They do make an effort to keep the ones employed working. My employer always has several convicted child support or bad check work release employees on the job.
 
2003-07-19 11:32:01 PM
Excellent.

It isn't enough that the government possesses the ability to arrest and detain you in a prison (which which most rational people will agree is necessary for an orderly society)... now you have to pay for the privilege of staying there if convicted. I guess this fits into the idea in a similar manner of paying fines when the crime is victimless.

However, what happens when this person is released back into society, gets a minimum wage job (if they are lucky) and can't afford to pay for his/her "housing" costs back? Do they throw him/her back into prison? Do they garnish wages?

This has to be one of the most screwed up things I've ever read about.
 
2003-07-19 11:41:30 PM
Seems like they'd be imposing penalties not administered at sentencing.
 
2003-07-19 11:42:03 PM
I guess this fits into the idea in a similar manner of paying fines when the crime is victimless.

Would you rather see jail-time for the crime and have the money come out of the taxpayer's pockets?

I think this is a great idea, garnish their wages once they get a job. If they don't get a job, garnish their welfare. You only get charged if you are CONVICTED, so if you are detained and found not guilty, you don't have to pay.
 
2003-07-19 11:42:35 PM
Woo! American Band!

Wait, what? "Grand Forks Herald"? Oh. Nevermind.
 
2003-07-19 11:43:27 PM
You have got to be kidding me? Is this some sort of joke? This has got to be a fake story just like the Metallica one.

Talk about tyranny.
 
2003-07-19 11:46:46 PM
I think it should go a little something like this:

Meals: $2 each
Pillow: 25 cents
Bed: $1
Blanket: 50 cents
Toilet paper: 50 cents a role
Soap: 75 cents
Not getting gang raped in the shower: $50

I'm pretty sure the jail would get its money
 
2003-07-19 11:54:17 PM

$20*30 days= $600/month.

All I want to know is, does it include utilities and cable ? That would be a bargain here in Boston. Of course, the mandatory cornholing might be a problem...


**gets ready to assault an old lady and kick a dog for cheap rent in a federal "Pound Me In The Arse" prison**

 
2003-07-19 11:58:33 PM
if we got rid of the draconian drug and gun laws here we would have far fewer inmates and no need to try to keep someone in the system for life for petty offences. this is tantamount to permanent engagement with the prison system. jail you for something petty and keep you till you are able to pay for your release.
no job = resort to criminal activity for money
busted and convicted of petty offence = $20 day
sentance for 180 days = $3600.00
180 days later you are free to go right after you pay for your incarceration(fees mount the longer it takes you to pay)
at what point will you have to remain for life because you couldnt pay?
if you are turned loose and wages garnished wont you be starting at the begining of the cycle illustrated?

/more asshatery from the governmental pocket pickers
 
2003-07-20 12:00:43 AM
I think this is a great idea, garnish their wages once they get a job.

Yeah, nothing will prevent recidivism like making it harder than it already is for a convicted criminal to make an honest living.
 
2003-07-20 12:01:20 AM
Sure, who do I make the forged check out to?
 
2003-07-20 12:02:22 AM
If murder and rape were legal it would save us all a lot of money also.
 
2003-07-20 12:04:37 AM
Young_Fart--
"Seems like they'd be imposing penalties not administered at sentencing."


That's what it sounds like to me. I can't wait to see this challenged and go to the supreme court.

I also see a few potential problems with this.

1: Maybe Minnesota should take a hint that their laws are a little too harsh if they're putting people away they can't afford to maintain or need.

2: Will the prisoner get his joice of jails if the cost/day and services provided vary from jail to jail?

3: More than a few convicts go back to back crime once they get out because they get a job or can't get one with a decent wage to barely on. You're just going to give him more incentive to go back and stay in there.

4: What about the ones sentenced for decades? A guy who is sentenced to 30 years will end up owing $219,000 (not counting leap years) when he gets out. Fark that, put my ass back in the slammer.
 
2003-07-20 12:06:44 AM
good.
 
2003-07-20 12:08:25 AM
Falcion
"You only get charged if you are CONVICTED, so if you are detained and found not guilty, you don't have to pay."

If I'm detained, and found not guilty, someone's
gonna pay. BIG.
 
2003-07-20 12:10:21 AM
I think this is a good idea. Inmates are housed, fed, etc and it's being paid by taxpayers. I know this will never happen, but what about putting some of this "rent" into rehab programs, so once people do get out of jail they can get their shiat together?
 
CB
2003-07-20 12:12:45 AM
This is pure BS. It's time to burn it down baby, BURN IT ALL DOWN!
 
2003-07-20 12:15:24 AM
I can understand making criminals do some sort of work to help support themselves, but flat out charging them seems unconstitutional.
 
2003-07-20 12:17:48 AM
And while we are at it bring back debtors prisons. Talk about squeezing water from a stone.
 
2003-07-20 12:23:14 AM
yotta: I'm with you - scary stuff. Especially considering the lengthy sentences you can be given for petty crimes/misdemeanor's in most states.
 
2003-07-20 12:23:38 AM
Oh, this is going to be a great success.
 
2003-07-20 12:32:05 AM
My editor gets fired monday. Sorry for the unintelligible mess.
 
2003-07-20 12:32:43 AM
This is why it's cheaper to kill criminals.
 
2003-07-20 12:33:22 AM
Isn't there something in the constitution about jailing people for failure to pay bills or something because in England they would stick people in jail and keep them there until they paid their debt which they could not because they were in jail, so they stayed there forever? Debtor's prison I think it was called.

If they put the innmated back in jail if they refuse to pay, then wouldn't this be the same thing?

Personally if I were said convict, and I was released from prison after three to five years with $30,000-$50,000 in debt, I'd just hightail it to Canada or something and screw them. They can't garnish my wages in another country.

Of course that assumes that as a former criminal, I just don't become a car thief or robber and live under an assumed name to avoid living a lifestyle worse than that of prison because of the wage garnishing.
 
2003-07-20 12:33:27 AM
It's "blood". The phrase is "squeezing blood from a stone".
 
2003-07-20 12:35:25 AM
Some people asked what will happen if a person can't pay. I say, leave them in jail, but take away some of the privelges they get, such as cable. In the real world, out of jail, if a person wants something more such as cable, tv, internet, or whatever, they must pay for these services. We have to pay for food also, but if you are really having trouble with that, the government will help in the form of welfare. I do not think that it is fair for the cost of a prisoner to be so high (and comming out of my tax money) because they get benifits like I mentioned above. I say, if a person gets put in jail, give them the basics: place to sleep, basic food, and a place and items necessary for personal hygine. If they want more, such as cable, make them pay for it.
 
2003-07-20 12:48:24 AM
There are jobs available for inmates in most prisons. That way they can earn money while in the slammer, and help pay off their debt.
 
2003-07-20 12:58:01 AM
Yotta-
Isnt that the gist of the new law in Minnisota? And apparently the law in Ohio too if the post somewhere above is true?
 
2003-07-20 01:27:00 AM
Falcion
There are jobs available for inmates in most prisons. That way they can earn money while in the slammer, and help pay off their debt.


AHAHAHA That's a good one. Please find out how much people can make in the slammer a day and then come back to this thread.
 
2003-07-20 01:39:11 AM
$50 a day in Medina, OH for Jail.


And as far as the prison comments go ...

Jobs in prison pay jack shiat. The make any where from 35 to 50 cents an hour. They do this to keep people from getting out of prison with a shiatload of money to finance additional criminal operations. They also make everything cheaper in prison, so that their 50 cents an hour job is enough to get you everything you may need. Such as cigarettes being 40 cents.

Although I doubt any prisoner would agree, people are still learning the value of a days work, it is just done at a lower scale.
 
2003-07-20 01:39:53 AM
Oh yeah, those types of jobs. Menial labor in the prison itself--sweeping floors, cleaning, washing dishes, etc. Usually slave wages at best. They might get $0.25/hour.
 
2003-07-20 01:43:00 AM
Cant pay?
DEATH!
 
2003-07-20 01:43:49 AM
Dammit.
Forgot the '
 
2003-07-20 01:47:40 AM
There's a really easy way to avoid paying the costs.

Don't go to farking prison.
 
2003-07-20 01:47:59 AM
This is news? Where I live u pay for your time in the cell, lawyer fees even if court appointed and court costs plus fines.
 
2003-07-20 01:48:45 AM
One more thing, if you get a dui/dwi you have to pay for a blood test that's used against you.
 
2003-07-20 02:05:50 AM
if these charges fall under the same category of court-apointed lawyer fees then it's just funny cause it's a tax on stupid people. the public attory might send you a bill, but u don't have to pay a damn thing.
 
2003-07-20 02:34:58 AM
what im curious about is where all the money is going to...think about it- the government already has money but pulls a low budget, thus making 2 times as much money as before
 
2003-07-20 02:37:31 AM
King County court here in Seattle put my friend in jail because he couldn't afford to pay fees to the department of corrections... did it the thursday before he was about to start a job the following monday, and had proof thereof.

oh, and the probation officer flat out lied in court, under oath, to the judge, and there is evidence that he did, but the prosecutor won't prosecute...

unfortunetly, my friend would rather try and keep his legal troubles private rather than biatch publicly about them...

I was planning on moving to Canada at some point anyways, he'll be coming with.
 
2003-07-20 02:53:41 AM
ALL RIGHT!!! Make 'em pay in more ways then one. Jail SHOULDN'T be 3 squares a day and cable TV.

And sorry to hear Kaenneth but if your friend kept his nose clean, he wouldn't have been there in the first place, right?
 
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