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(Politech)   Man kicked off of airplane for wearing a one-inch button that read "Suspected Terrorist"   (politechbot.com) divider line 399
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2003-07-19 08:05:02 AM  
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Man kicked off plane for being an imbecilic jackass.
 
2003-07-19 08:55:41 AM  
gear jammer
yeah, when i read the headline, i was all ready to jump all over the airline security folks for being air-nazis and having stupid procedures that do nothing to deter terrorizzzum, but as i read the article, i saw that this button guy is one of them JOs that go 'round making trouble cuz they live in a world that protects thier right to be a jerk.
 
2003-07-19 09:32:09 AM  
What an a$$hole.
 
2003-07-19 09:32:14 AM  
Gear Jammer: I would have said "infantile" instead of imbecilic. Also I would have suggested a change of tag, from "asinine" to "hero."

otherwise, an all-around good job
 
2003-07-19 09:33:14 AM  
I want one of those buttons
 
2003-07-19 09:33:40 AM  
Interestingly I'd have loved it if he had got on the flight... somehow I think our Immigration folks would have LOVED to have met him

(hears *snap* of latex gloves as he arrives at Heathrow)
 
2003-07-19 09:34:23 AM  
I still think that the airlines were being a slight bit reactionary. Not saying the guy didn't deserve it, but really, it was only a button with a sarcastic slogan on it. If that were truly grounds for action, I would probably be in jail right now. That said, I hate people who will deliberately run around like this in hopes of getting all litigious to prove a point. Attention whores, the lot of 'em.
 
2003-07-19 09:34:44 AM  
"I'm suing John Ashcroft, two airlines, and various
other agencies over making people show IDs to fly"

Interesting, I'm pretty sure Ashcroft didn't invent the passport...
 
2003-07-19 09:35:07 AM  
The dude is out protecting your right for free speech and you're giving him sh*t over it? I don't understand you people.
 
2003-07-19 09:36:48 AM  
What an asswipe!!
Obviously, the asshat has a problem with authority, or never heard of 9/11.
 
2003-07-19 09:37:08 AM  
Just another attention whore. If he had put the same amount of effort into understanding speech rights he would have understood that the First Amendment doesn't apply here. British Airways can censor speech on its flights as it sees fit (as long as it doesn't discriminate on the basis of race, gender, etc., while within the reach of American jurisdiction).

What a loser.
 
2003-07-19 09:38:17 AM  
I wasn't aware that rights to free speech also entitled you to be an stupid twat.
 
2003-07-19 09:38:38 AM  
My god, you people are farking terrifying. Reading this comments makes my blood run cold.

Going around making trouble? I'm not even sure where to start. Not even sure where to farking start.

What are you guys going to say when you post a joke on the fark forums and the police show up to talk to you? Or you're on a list of no-flies? Same thing. Same goddamned thing. I hope you're ready to reap what you sow, but I sure as hell know I'm not.
 
2003-07-19 09:41:17 AM  
If this kind of actions are free speech thanks I'll rather not have it while I fly. What a lunatic. It's great to have to show ID so that guys like this do not get on board.
 
2003-07-19 09:43:31 AM  
For those of you preaching the "its free speech so its good, even if its moronic" line let me ask you a question...

If you were at a truck stop/service station on a rainy, stormy night and a hitchhiker came up to you and asked for a lift. You saw that they were wearing a badge saying "loner, wanted in 15 states for assault" would you a. give them a lift or b. decline and then leave, rapidly?
 
2003-07-19 09:43:41 AM  
What a butthole this guy was. That button was the same as walking around with a chip on his shoulder, daring someone to knock it off. I wouldn't want him on my flight. The story would have been better if it ended with him being pummeled with a billy club.
 
2003-07-19 09:44:25 AM  
The overreaction of these airline idiots is just lame, lame, lame. This is just another example of the farked up state of airline security. They take your nail clippers, but let an felons and illegal immigrants inspect and load the luggage onto the plane. The airlines are a bunch of idiots that only care about the appearance of security, not actually being secure. For some reason this appearance of security now requires that they insult and violate you. This is becoming a farked up world when you can't even make a political statement on a farking button without getting the 3rd degree. I fail to see how this guy was going around making trouble, he represented absolutly no threat to the air crew and they knew it, they just didn't like the message. This guy was speaking his mind, which is his right, and refused to be censored arbitrarily, I would say that makes him pretty cool.
 
2003-07-19 09:45:35 AM  
Other badges available: Very classy

What abhout his "sweetheart"?. Her holiday to the UK is spoiled because her twat of a boyfriend wants to express a "political comment".

... and just what that political comment is escapes me right now.
 
2003-07-19 09:46:10 AM  
2003-07-19 08:55:41 AM alan holcome


gear jammer
yeah, when i read the headline, i was all ready to jump all over the airline security folks for being air-nazis and having stupid procedures that do nothing to deter terrorizzzum, but as i read the article, i saw that this button guy is one of them JOs that go 'round making trouble cuz they live in a world that protects thier right to be a jerk.


The sad thing is that you bastards that are annoyed by him dont get that you've taken away his right to be a jerk, or else he would of been able to stay on the flight and disturb the flight crew, the biast airline took him off for expressing himself, and the more that you idiots that enjoy butchering the constitution because your security is so much more of value keep destroying our rights, the more media coverage it gets. This guy was defending his freedom of speech, you dont like it because you dont feel safe? go fark yourself and buy a gun, you have the right to do that too.

/meh
 
2003-07-19 09:47:31 AM  
If this kind of actions are free speech thanks I'll rather not have it while I fly

scariest thing on the thread so far
 
2003-07-19 09:48:11 AM  
Even pre-9/11 you were not allowed to joke about having a bomb at the airport. This is the same thing.
 
2003-07-19 09:50:14 AM  
God bless this man. He is in no way an asshat, he's just an individual who wants to protect his rights. He has a right to say what he wants when he wants (in fact, I think the reasoning he gave behind the fact that when you enter an airport you ARE a suspected terrorist was rather clever), and saying that the state can decide when your rights apply is making you sound like Nazis.

Perhaps you can form your own country where the government can freely pursue these "asshats" who value something known as civil rights, but until that happens, quit advocating the governmental control over what I can say and do. This man was just testing his rights and he proved his theory correct several times over. I can't believe you people would label this man as an asshat or troublemaker since he did nothing of the like. All he did was wear a button that he should legally be allowed to wear, but some people (BA, and you other farkers) seem to forget that fact because it offends them.

/rude
 
2003-07-19 09:50:50 AM  
2003-07-19 09:38:38 AM perisoft
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What are you guys going to say when you post a joke on the fark forums and the police show up to talk to you? Or you're on a list of no-flies? Same thing. Same goddamned thing. I hope you're ready to reap what you sow, but I sure as hell know I'm not.

Chicken little is in the house, everybody say w00t.
What the hell does this guys actions have to do with Fark forums? Time, place, and manner restrictions on speech have been consistently upheld by the courts. This is damn close to the classic example of not being able to shout fire in a crowded theater. I think the farkwad should have had a cavity search to see if they could find his common sense.
 
2003-07-19 09:52:50 AM  
2003-07-19 09:38:38 AM perisoft

My god, you people are farking terrifying. Reading this comments makes my blood run cold.

Going around making trouble? I'm not even sure where to start. Not even sure where to farking start.

What are you guys going to say when you post a joke on the fark forums and the police show up to talk to you? Or you're on a list of no-flies? Same thing. Same goddamned thing. I hope you're ready to reap what you sow, but I sure as hell know I'm not.


It's really not the same thing. People didn't fly forums into buildings on 9/11. Free speech is good and everything, but there are times when we need to understand that joking like this probably isn't appropriate. I don't think what the airlines did was right, but the button guy isn't right here, either. I mean, obviously, a button like he was wearing is bait, especially given the situation. Couldn't he just have stuffed it in his pocket or overhead until he was at his destination? Don't his actions strike you as sort of callous and intentionally inflamatory? I'm just sayin'...
 
2003-07-19 09:55:36 AM  
Sure this guy was obnoxious.

But the fact remains that British Airlines apparently finds it more constructive to turn around a plane with 300 people on board just to get 1 of those passengers to remove a silly button, than to spend their time and money on coming up with security measures that actually DO have something to do with preventing terrorism.

As George Carlin already stated: there are many, many ways to kill somebody using just the plastic knife and fork you get on the plane, but for some reason you can no longer take a nailclipper with you anymore these days - in the meantime they let large people with large enough hands to kill with a single squeeze on the planes without letting them hand in their hands. The measures are inconsistent, and easily circumvented by those who wish to do real harm.

Airport security should be taken seriously. Only very, very few of the ridiculous measures taken in various countries since 9/11 truly make airplanes less vulnerable to acts of terrorism. This button-story is just another example of how time and money is wasted on merely making people FEEL safer.
 
2003-07-19 09:55:44 AM  
How soon people forget that the right of free speech doesn't excuse you from the repercussions of your speech. Hell, I'm free to call my boss an asshat, but that doesn't mean he cannot fire me for exercising my freedom of speech.
 
2003-07-19 09:55:45 AM  
He's a [image from img.fark.com too old to be available] for wearing it, period.
 
2003-07-19 09:56:13 AM  
Freedom of speach does not equal freedom from others reactions.

If I walked up to any person of color, and started going off with racist remarks, should I be surprised when I wake up in the ICU? Sure I have the freedom to say things like that, but the impending lawsuit and plastic surgery are a nice side effect.

There is a time and a place for everything, un-nerving an airline crew is not one of the best.
 
2003-07-19 09:58:44 AM  
So within European countries do you not have to show ID to fly within them?
 
2003-07-19 09:59:13 AM  
For the past, I dunno, TWENTY FIVE YEARS OR SO, there have been signs posted in front of the security check-ins around the world (waaaay before 9/11). The signs said:

"Jokes about guns or bombs are taken seriously."


Guess he never understood what the sign meant.

Next time, don't be an asshat, asshat.
 
2003-07-19 09:59:25 AM  
perisoft
Are you a fuOh no, not another one of my rights being taken away from me again. All of my rights to do and say as I please are protected by the Constitution, blabity blah blah. If this were a perfect world, then you would be right. Pull your head out of your ass and use a little common sense, read the newspaper once and awhile Phucking moron!
 
2003-07-19 09:59:35 AM  
Well I guess we can close the thread now with this insightful comment:

2003-07-19 09:55:45 AM Sinatra
He's a for wearing it, period.
 
2003-07-19 09:59:45 AM  
This can come under the "Freedom of Speech" does not cover "shouting fire in a crowded theatre" issue. This guy is an attention whore, plain and simple. I would have felt like throttling the guy if he delayed my flight.


But, there is real truth in this statement..

...The
terrorists have won if we turn our country into an authoritarian theocracy "to defeat terrorism..


Something that just doesn't penetrate the thick head of Dumbya, Reich-Fuhrer Ashcroft and his shameless band of butt-kissing puppets.
 
2003-07-19 10:00:30 AM  
Bah - your rights end at the tip of my nose. Was he hurting anyone by wearing his little button? No...
Did he do anything to jeopardize the safety of the plane, its passengers or crew? No...
So fark off, he's a hero.

G0ddammed fsking stupid-assed pu$$ies giving away all your rights cuz you're farking scared - go watch survivor and hide in your house.
 
2003-07-19 10:01:43 AM  
Bah, damn filters!
 
2003-07-19 10:02:15 AM  
I fail to see how this guy was going around making trouble, he represented absolutly no threat to the air crew and they knew it, they just didn't like the message.

Actually, the problem is that they knew nothing of the sort - and as sure as they might have been, it's nothing to make assumtions about. Same with pulling out the clip and emptying the chamber of your gun; you still don't take the chance of pulling the trigger at your head.

Now I'm no hard-core security freak, but in the context of today's international social tensions, it seems to me that this button is the equivalent of saying "bomb" on an airplane. It is not - nor should it be - allowed.

P.S. - if he was sitting next to me on the plane, I'd pull a "Commando" just to be safe.

/my friend is dead tired.
 
2003-07-19 10:03:43 AM  
Well he is going to court over it. It will be interesting to see what the judges say.
 
2003-07-19 10:04:21 AM  
Living in Orlando - you get searched a lot. When you go to an attraction, your stuff gets searched, and sometimes you get metal detected. When you go to a concert, you get searched, metal detected and questioned. All these detection booths are permanent now. Getting into Kennedy Space center is ridiculous. I went to Weird Al two weeks ago, got searched, metal detected, and extreme bad attituded by security people. I was wearing a spiked collar - not big spikes - ones about the size of your fingernail. I was told to take it off or else I couldn't go to the concert I just paid $38 to see. I took it off, went inside - where apparently everyone had just put their spikes back on fine. The t-shirt lady inside the door was all nervous and nice - apparently she had been eating crap all night from people pissed at security. I just keep telling myself I have a world of better shiat to do than pay to get hassled somewhere - so I understand this guys point. It was the execution that was tasteless. Still, someone has to speak up about this in some form - it really is bad in some places.
 
2003-07-19 10:04:59 AM  
I admire his courage.

/walks away laughing hysterically
 
2003-07-19 10:05:04 AM  
I don't see his button as any different (perhaps slightly more passive) than walking into the middle of a busy terminal and screaming "HI, JACK!" at the top of his lungs. That's something that would've earned you the beat-down even before 9/11, so this button-guy's complaints are really mostly baseless.
 
2003-07-19 10:06:17 AM  
brisvegas_boy:
The political comment he was making is that the terrorists achieved their objective. Fear has eroded liberties, and everyone is a suspect.
 
2003-07-19 10:06:57 AM  
2003-07-19 10:02:15 AM Pooter
... it seems to me that this button is the equivalent of saying "bomb" ...


So you can't say the word "bomb" on an airplane?
 
2003-07-19 10:07:00 AM  
"being forced ... to drink our own breast milk"

I can't tell you how many times that happened to me. Damn airport screeners, forcing me to drink my own breast milk!
 
2003-07-19 10:07:43 AM  
In this story, everyone is at least a little bit wrong. The airlines (and the government) are over-reacting with many of the 'security' measures they've put in place. I think the airline over-reacted in this guy's case as well. But, this guy was intentionally being an asshole to cause trouble, so I'm not really sure that puts him in the category of being 'in the right'.

Fact is, showing an ID at the gate does very little. It's a good idea to show ID at check-in to be sure you are the same person as listed on the ticket...that I have no problem with. But at the gate, they'll see 'Bob Smith' from Dallas and it's a meaningless security measure. And a guy wearing a 'Suspected Terrorist' button is probably the last guy who is going to blow up the plane. Besides, if it's a real problem, stop him before he gets on the plane, don't make the plane come back and hold up everyone else.

As for the guy, the airport security screeners have enough to watch for and deal with without people going in and deliberately being a problem. A lot of times people think it's clever or funny to make some sarcastic 'statement' because of the security measures. Well, I think we all want to have good bag screening and metal detection checks these days. If you're a smart-ass drawing attention to how clever you are, it makes it all the more possible for that baggage screener to miss the handgun hidden in the teddy bear.

I'm not one to quickly give up liberty for security, but some things just make sense. I don't feel persecuted when I go through a metal detector or submit my bag for an x-ray screening. Those activities are not perfect security measures, but they absolutely do make the 'bad guys' work harder to pull off bad shiat. That's the goal of security.
 
2003-07-19 10:08:09 AM  
Despite all the federal aid and regulations, the airline industry is still a private business. Think of it this way, if you are being a jackass (or even if look like you are going to be a potential problem) in a store, the manager can force you to leave legally, and in this case the manager was the pilot. They do have a right to refuse service to anyone as long as it's not racially modivated or stepping on any other basic civil liberties. They do, afterall, want all those other passengers to be repeat customers.
 
2003-07-19 10:08:28 AM  
I guess you'd need a bigger button for that hmmmmmmm.
 
2003-07-19 10:08:31 AM  
Sure the guy is a moron, but I gotta admire his balls for doing it. He had every right to wear that button. For the record I am a Republican who supports our President, but this guy is just using satire to make a political point.
 
2003-07-19 10:09:25 AM  
So you can't say the word "bomb" on an airplane?

No - not in any context, not even as a joke. Straight up. Do not try it to find out - take my word for it. The hassle you will recieve will far outweigh the grin. Plus if you do it while you're in the air - they'll turn the plane around. I kid you not.
 
2003-07-19 10:09:51 AM  
Let me just say that I was in NYC during 9/11, and that I have lived here since. And I, for one, totally support this guy. There are many nutjobs going around saying that their rights are being trampled, and while I support the rights of such people, they don't invoke much sympathy. But this person is clearly intelligent and rational, as opposed to the people he was dealing with at the airport. It's a shame.
 
2003-07-19 10:10:14 AM  
Reminds me of the time I was traveling to Ireland, and they swab your stuff now with these hemerroid pad looking things and stick them in a "chemical sniffer", anywho, long story short, lackey says to me, "your laptop tested positive for nitro gylcerin. To which I respond "so, nitro is in everything, hand lotion, heart medicine, yadda yadda." So he asks for my ID, I say "Why?" "Procedure" I think to myself how much of an injustice this is, then realize, it sure would be neat to get myself into some "terrorist" database somewhere in the TSA, I say each bit wasted on a law-abiding citizen brings the system that much closer to the brink of failure, ie data overload, well I know that would never happen, but I can dream, can't I? So the guy tests it again, nothing, I am free to go, but I still have all my info on an index card, and most likely a TSA database. WARNING, THIS MAN USES, OR HAS COME IN CONTACT WITH HAND LOTION, PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION AS HIS HANDS ARE VERY SOFT!!
 
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