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(Fox News)   Don't speak English? That'll be a 15% foreign-language surcharge on your bill   (foxnews.com) divider line 240
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2011-02-03 04:24:17 PM  
It has nothing to do with not speaking English and everything to do with not tipping.

Me guesses subby didn't bother reading past the headline.

"customer base includes many international travelers who, by custom, do not tip. The restaurant says it's merely trying to help its customers and wait staff."
 
2011-02-03 04:29:00 PM  
I was under the impression that most Canadians speak English... or some form of it.
 
2011-02-03 04:38:58 PM  
should add "... and women ordering water with lemons" to the surcharge.
 
2011-02-03 04:43:18 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: I was under the impression that most Canadians speak English... or some form of it.


They use the same words, but have completely different meaning in Canadian speak.
 
2011-02-03 04:50:06 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: It has nothing to do with not speaking English and everything to do with not tipping.

Me guesses subby didn't bother reading past the headline.

"customer base includes many international travelers who, by custom, do not tip. The restaurant says it's merely trying to help its customers and wait staff."


I understand and agree with their reasoning. They're in a tight spot. Legally, this will come down to lawyers fighting over whether discriminating against "language-speakers" can be considered a violation of the rights of a protected class (probably race). Given the locus of the problem is cultural, not actually related to language per se, this could go either way. It'll probably depend on the judge.
 
2011-02-03 04:51:37 PM  
Though I will say the better solution would be to add a 15% gratuity to ALL patrons, leave a note as to why in the menu (cultures, IRS rules, whatever) and note that additional tipping is purely optional.
 
2011-02-03 04:51:39 PM  

Bunnyhat: Cubansaltyballs: I was under the impression that most Canadians speak English... or some form of it.

They use the same words, but have completely different meaning in Canadian speak.


Oh. That explains why most Canadians are so successful and attractive.
 
2011-02-03 04:52:43 PM  
Hey, how about changing your business model so that your employees receiving better than starvation wages isn't dependent on the arbitrary generosity of your customers?
 
2011-02-03 04:57:16 PM  
67.18.219.83

"Jules will be your waiter this evening ..."
 
2011-02-03 04:57:47 PM  

kronicfeld: Hey, how about changing your business model so that your employees receiving better than starvation wages isn't dependent on the arbitrary generosity of your customers?


I missed the part where it was mandatory to eat at this restaurant.
 
2011-02-03 04:59:31 PM  

DarthBrooks: I missed the part where it was mandatory to eat at this restaurant.


You sure didn't miss the non sequitur store on your way here.
 
2011-02-03 05:01:30 PM  

kronicfeld: DarthBrooks: I missed the part where it was mandatory to eat at this restaurant.

You sure didn't miss the non sequitur store on your way here.


What, the part where it's a choice of the business to solve their perceived problem and see if their revenues are impacted?
 
2011-02-03 06:19:34 PM  
From what I understand: The U.S. actually has some of the best wait staff in the world-in general.

On the other hand, I'm sure who came up with the "tipping" rates.
When I was younger: tips were from 7%-10%

Then it became 15% standard. Now it's 20% (in New York)

My thinking if people are willing to pay at least a 10% tip. Raise your prices 10% give the wait staff a raise, then say "No tipping necessary-we pay for quality workers" sign.
 
2011-02-03 06:25:14 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: My thinking if people are willing to pay at least a 10% tip. Raise your prices 10% give the wait staff a raise, then say "No tipping necessary-we pay for quality workers" sign.


Yeah, that makes too much sense. No one will ever go for it.
 
2011-02-03 06:40:59 PM  
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2011-02-03 06:48:59 PM  
What if you're just mute?
 
2011-02-03 06:50:22 PM  
Ai yi yi, no me gusta!
 
2011-02-03 06:52:37 PM  

kronicfeld: Hey, how about changing your business model so that your employees receiving better than starvation wages isn't dependent on the arbitrary generosity of your customers?


THIS.

Engineered desperation does not make for good help.
 
2011-02-03 06:53:10 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: "Jules will be your waiter this evening ..."


Jules: You mind if I have some of your tasty beverage to wash this down?
Brett: Go right ahead.
Jules: Ah, hit the spot.
 
2011-02-03 06:53:35 PM  
can we do this for everything, everywhere?
can't speak English? 15% tax on every single god damn thing.
 
2011-02-03 06:53:50 PM  
Whenever I tipped in rural england, I'd get a "Oy! Ye left a pound 'ere guv'na" or something as I walked out the door.

Whenever I tipped in rural Italy, I would watch the waiter grab it as sneakily as he/she could, and look around with shifty eyes to make sure no one saw him/her, while stroking his/her evil moustache.
 
2011-02-03 06:55:07 PM  
I will NOT press 1 for Anglish! This is Amurikastanfreedomville!
 
2011-02-03 06:55:07 PM  
What language is this written in? Doesn't that ability to understand it, written in English, negate adding the tip?
 
2011-02-03 06:56:26 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: From what I understand: The U.S. actually has some of the best wait staff in the world-in general.

On the other hand, I'm sure who came up with the "tipping" rates.
When I was younger: tips were from 7%-10%

Then it became 15% standard. Now it's 20% (in New York)

My thinking if people are willing to pay at least a 10% tip. Raise your prices 10% give the wait staff a raise, then say "No tipping necessary-we pay for quality workers" sign.


That's logical but I think many people like to imagine that the freedom to tip grants them uniquely better service than other customers.

"Those dudes over there might only have tipped 17%, but if I tip 18%, I'll get better treatment when I come back".
 
2011-02-03 06:57:00 PM  
I knew a person who worked at best buy who said that it was common practice to charge the non english speaking mexicans the extended warranty without asking them so that the cashiers could make their quota. Apparently, the management knew about this practice and it was not frowned upon.
 
2011-02-03 06:57:15 PM  

mtylerjr: never I tipped in rural Italy, I would watch the waiter grab it as sneakily as he/she could, and look around with shifty eyes to make sure no one saw him/her, while stroking his/her evil moustache.


Awesome.
 
2011-02-03 06:58:05 PM  

kingoomieiii: Though I will say the better solution would be to add a 15% gratuity to ALL patrons, leave a note as to why in the menu (cultures, IRS rules, whatever) and note that additional tipping is purely optional.


Then it's a mandatory service charge, not an optional tip.
 
2011-02-03 06:58:36 PM  

mtylerjr: Whenever I tipped in rural england, I'd get a "Oy! Ye left a pound 'ere guv'na" or something as I walked out the door.

Whenever I tipped in rural Italy, I would watch the waiter grab it as sneakily as he/she could, and look around with shifty eyes to make sure no one saw him/her, while stroking his/her evil moustache.


It IS kind of an odd thing, to:
a) pay, then leave unsolicited money in an obvious place on the table
b) that sometimes it's "mandatory", at which point it's hardly possible to describe as a "gratuity", and inexplicable why you would not just up the overall pricing by 15%.
 
2011-02-03 06:58:57 PM  
I'd rather pretend I don't habla ingles and just pay 15% tip instead of 20%.
 
2011-02-03 06:59:21 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: My thinking if people are willing to pay at least a 10% tip. Raise your prices 10% give the wait staff a raise, then say "No tipping necessary-we pay for quality workers" sign


So wait staff are still going to provide the same service once their income no longer directly depends on it?

I'm sorry... tipping works. If you're a good tipper, and your server/bartender knows it... you're going to get much better service.

Heck, with a few of my favorite bartenders, they've "forgotten" to ring up enough of my drinks to cover a 50% tip. So I give it to them.
 
2011-02-03 07:00:14 PM  
From what I understand, Europe, and especially France, sees tipping as unnecessary, whereas in America, it's assumed that the servers make their wages largely from tips, and if you don't tip them, they don't get paid a fair wage. It's racism on the part of the restaurant to just assume foreigners won't tip well, but it's not wrong to do so.
 
2011-02-03 07:01:30 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: It has nothing to do with not speaking English and everything to do with not tipping.

Me guesses subby didn't bother reading past the headline.


Even worse. Pay your employees a decent wage, or alternatively, find another job.

Remember when Denny's tried to do this with Black people?
 
2011-02-03 07:01:31 PM  

mtylerjr: Whenever I tipped in rural england, I'd get a "Oy! Ye left a pound 'ere guv'na" or something as I walked out the door.

Whenever I tipped in rural Italy, I would watch the waiter grab it as sneakily as he/she could, and look around with shifty eyes to make sure no one saw him/her, while stroking his/her evil moustache.



LOL!

/"his/her evil moustache" FTW
 
2011-02-03 07:01:37 PM  
About 17 percent of the nearly 7 million tourists who visited Hawaii last year were from Japan, where people do not leave tips in restaurants.

The foreigners don't tip. Yhat's why!
 
2011-02-03 07:01:42 PM  
When they rule that such behavior against the Germans is racist, gimme a call.
 
2011-02-03 07:02:07 PM  
Add 15% to the menu items, call it a raise to the staff and post a sign saying "No Tipping" Problem solved.
 
2011-02-03 07:02:34 PM  

downstairs: Darth_Lukecash: My thinking if people are willing to pay at least a 10% tip. Raise your prices 10% give the wait staff a raise, then say "No tipping necessary-we pay for quality workers" sign

So wait staff are still going to provide the same service once their income no longer directly depends on it?

I'm sorry... tipping works. If you're a good tipper, and your server/bartender knows it... you're going to get much better service.

Heck, with a few of my favorite bartenders, they've "forgotten" to ring up enough of my drinks to cover a 50% tip. So I give it to them.



Some, but not all. Those who get too surly can be replaced -- waiters aren't exactly the most indispensable or irreplaceable of workers, and 10% unemployment means no shortage of candidates.

Tipping should only be required if management is lazy & can't be bothered to sort out the wheat from the chaff.
 
2011-02-03 07:02:56 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: "Jules will be your waiter this evening ..."


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2011-02-03 07:03:28 PM  

downstairs: So wait staff are still going to provide the same service once their income no longer directly depends on it?


Service is generally better outside of the U.S. So yes.
 
2011-02-03 07:04:05 PM  
"Discrimination based on language is ancestry discrimination," Hoshijo said.


Oh, great.

Here we go - again.
 
2011-02-03 07:04:58 PM  
KillAllHumans: can't speak English? 15% tax on every single god damn thing.

Some people may object to this new tax.


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2011-02-03 07:04:59 PM  

Sky21Dancer: Add 15% to the menu items, call it a raise to the staff and post a sign saying "No Tipping" Problem solved.



Or just tell the staff to STFU and GBTW.
 
2011-02-03 07:05:32 PM  
Possible solution - charge everyone 15% gratuity fee and disclose in the menu that it may be adjusted at the request of the diner.
 
2011-02-03 07:07:01 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Then it became 15% standard. Now it's 20% (in New York)


You're already obsolete.

20% is "standard" everywhere, according to servers.

30% is now the "standard" in New York City.
 
2011-02-03 07:07:20 PM  
Wasn't this mishandled all to hell.

Adding gratuity is done at the discretion of the server.

Problem solved.
 
2011-02-03 07:07:55 PM  
Now wait a minute. Are they demanding *proper* English? Or will they bill people who speak Pigeon English as well? 'Cause after all, who the hell actually speaks English in Hawaii?

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2011-02-03 07:08:07 PM  

kingoomieiii: Though I will say the better solution would be to add a 15% gratuity to ALL patrons, leave a note as to why in the menu (cultures, IRS rules, whatever) and note that additional tipping is purely optional.


Good idea, but I'll push one better. We need to eliminate tipping as a means of paying employees. No $2.13/hr or whatever sub-wage crap plus tips. The amount of income taxes and payroll, FICA, Medicare taxes we lose because of unreported cash tips and under-the-table cash is staggering. It would go a long way toward keeping Social Security solvent.

The whole "tipping promotes good service" is crap. People tip not based upon service as much as it is their individual proclivity to tip. Some people are cheap, others are generous. The cheap people either don't tip or under tip even when getting gold star service. Anyone who has ever worked for tips knows this.
 
2011-02-03 07:08:33 PM  

DarthBrooks: should add "... and women ordering water with lemons" to the surcharge.


Welfare Lemonade!

/can I have some more Splenda?
 
2011-02-03 07:10:06 PM  

downstairs: Heck, with a few of my favorite bartenders, they've "forgotten" to ring up enough of my drinks to cover a 50% tip. So I give it to them.


As small business owners, we would "forget" to continue to continue to employ this tool who chooses to enrich himself at our expense.
 
2011-02-03 07:10:20 PM  

Sky21Dancer: Add 15% to the menu items, call it a raise to the staff and post a sign saying "No Tipping" Problem solved.


A service fee would go to the employer, who would pay the necessary taxes, include it on income to their employees, would also pay the necessary taxes.

Now a gratuity, aka "Voluntary", would go tax free, at least to the employer and in most cases to the employee as well. I don't know what this business of mandatory gratuities is but it should prosecuted as tax fraud.
 
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