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2011-02-02 04:22:46 AM
Snow isn't the problem. Its the snow, sleet, rain and 15 degree temperature that is the problem.
 
2011-02-02 04:47:38 AM
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2011-02-02 05:04:21 AM
You have a point. Other places have it much worse, and generally on a regular basis.
 
2011-02-02 06:09:19 AM
TWO FRICKIN INCHES

That's what she said.

/but seriously, they probably have one snow plow for the whole city, so you can see how this could be a problem
 
2011-02-02 06:31:18 AM
Ice is covering all the roads, and it's not supposed to get above freezing until the weekend. That's the issue. We have had plenty more snow than this before, and it wasn't nearly as big of a problem.
 
2011-02-02 08:47:43 AM
If only it hadn't rained the other day... /sigh
 
2011-02-02 09:19:46 AM

theacidrainman: Snow isn't the problem. Its the snow, sleet, rain and 15 degree temperature that is the problem.


A friend of mine in Irving says they are having rolling blackouts. Her power has been off twice this morning, 15 minutes the first time, and she hasn't been back online yet after the second time (I hope it's not still out).
 
2011-02-02 09:32:27 AM

Snarfangel: theacidrainman: Snow isn't the problem. Its the snow, sleet, rain and 15 degree temperature that is the problem.

A friend of mine in Irving says they are having rolling blackouts. Her power has been off twice this morning, 15 minutes the first time, and she hasn't been back online yet after the second time (I hope it's not still out).



Hell, we're having that here in Houston right now.

But yeah, conditions up there in Dallas are shiat when it snows or sleets. I've driven in the North East, Idaho, the Colorado Rockies and sometimes in whiteout conditions. All that can be driven on. This crap we get from Dallas to Dumas from time to time is crazy. I've been stranded in freaking Vernon or Amarillo more than once because of weather that, up North, would have been fine for driving (albeit slowly).
 
2011-02-02 09:44:11 AM
Maybe they can postpone the bread and circus that is happening this weekend to keep the masses from uprising?
 
2011-02-02 09:44:15 AM
Sunday.

Steelers.

Suck it.
 
2011-02-02 09:44:30 AM
Two inches of *sleet*, dumbmitter.
 
2011-02-02 09:44:33 AM
Rolling blackouts in Austin too...
 
2011-02-02 09:46:49 AM
Ice storms will shut down any city.
 
2011-02-02 09:47:07 AM

theacidrainman: Snow isn't the problem. Its the snow, sleet, rain and 15 degree temperature that is the problem.


This.

Hoban Washburne: Ice is covering all the roads, and it's not supposed to get above freezing until the weekend. That's the issue.


And this.

The city infrastructure is not designed to deal with ice roads because businesses would rather lose 2-4 days of productivity (or, better yet, force people to work from home) than playing the taxes required to NOT let something like iced roads stop the city this way.
 
2011-02-02 09:50:37 AM
If it had only stayed in the 60 degree range like the day before the ice storm it would be OK I guess.
 
2011-02-02 09:52:20 AM
I hailed from a part of the country that got 300 inches a year for several years (yes 300 inches, eat my shorts Upstate New York you only get 90 avg inches a year!) and never hesitated to drive, driving was never a problem.

But in Dallas, it comes down as rain first, or sleet, while the temperature drops to below freezing, or the warm rain hits already below-freezing concrete roads.

The result is ICE! No one can drive on slick ice coating roads. Worse, its been below freezing for a few days now, salt that they usually use can't do jack, and the salt+dirt trucks keep getting their own butts stuck because the highways are never level, they undulate up and down as they cross terrain.
 
2011-02-02 09:53:43 AM
13 inches here, quit yer biatchin'
 
2011-02-02 09:54:23 AM

RickTheVote: Two inches of *sleet*, dumbmitter.


This. Even DART's light rail was shut down yesterday because of the weather.

Snarfangel:

A friend of mine in Irving says they are having rolling blackouts. Her power has been off twice this morning, 15 minutes the first time, and she hasn't been back online yet after the second time (I hope it's not still out).


Just had our first rolling blackout, only lasted about 20 mins. If she's still in the dark, she can call her electric provider to complain (Oncor is 888-313-4747).

"The Electric Reliability Council of Texas system has moved to its highest level. Oncor electric delivery is currently reducing load and rotating outages every 15 minutes," an automated message says when a call was made to Oncor. "These are planned outages designed to protect the state's grid during periods of instability."

Ironic.

/Emphasis mine
 
2011-02-02 09:54:41 AM

RickTheVote: Two inches of *sleet*, dumbmitter.


My friend (who is in the Army) complained that Texas shut down because of a little bit of ice. An hour later, I got a text that he had fallen off an icy tank and broken his arm. For the record, I warned him that ice was much more dangerous than snow, and not nearly as fun.
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2011-02-02 09:55:48 AM
And now they're saying it's supposed to be like this next week.
 
2011-02-02 09:57:02 AM
WFAA has a blog that provides periodic updates.
 
2011-02-02 09:59:53 AM
As someone who lived for a long time in the midwest but now lives in ATL, I completely understand. All ya'll up north are used to snow and ice every year, have snow and ice equipment, etc. Folks down here get snow maybe once every couple of years, so there's no point in lots of equipment, snow driving training, etc.

I hate to say it (cue 'That's racist' boy GIF), but here in ATL, our biggest issues are with: 1) semi-trucks, and 2) immigrant drivers. I live on the South end, and we have a large immigrant population (from Latin America, the Caribbean, Southeast Asia, etc.) who drive fast and erratically on the best of days. When it rains hard or God Forbid, gets icy or snows, these folks fill the newscasts.
 
2011-02-02 10:00:14 AM
Dallas doesn't get snow, it gets ice. So even if the temperature wouldn't faze a Northerner, everything being covered in ice will shut down virtually anyplace.

Rolling blackouts suck. Turn your heat down when you do have electricity so they can stop.

/Houston
 
2011-02-02 10:00:31 AM
Also, up here in CT we've been getting nothing but snow up until last night when the ice rolled in. In fact, there's so much snow on the ground that I made a snow maze for my kid. Observe:

i508.photobucket.com

I wish every winter would be as fun as this one.
 
2011-02-02 10:01:43 AM

YixilTesiphon: Rolling blackouts suck. Turn your heat down when you do have electricity so they can stop.


There's no way enough people have toaster heat for the electric demand in winter to outpace the electric demand in the height of summer from A/C use. There is no reason to have to roll blackouts in winter.
 
2011-02-02 10:04:07 AM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: RickTheVote: Two inches of *sleet*, dumbmitter.

This. Even DART's light rail was shut down yesterday because of the weather.

Snarfangel:

A friend of mine in Irving says they are having rolling blackouts. Her power has been off twice this morning, 15 minutes the first time, and she hasn't been back online yet after the second time (I hope it's not still out).

Just had our first rolling blackout, only lasted about 20 mins. If she's still in the dark, she can call her electric provider to complain (Oncor is 888-313-4747).

"The Electric Reliability Council of Texas system has moved to its highest level. Oncor electric delivery is currently reducing load and rotating outages every 15 minutes," an automated message says when a call was made to Oncor. "These are planned outages designed to protect the state's grid during periods of instability."

Ironic.

/Emphasis mine


Since the natural gas power plants can't get gas it is better to inconvenience everyone periodically than to shut down a whole city or two for hours. You'd be complaining louder if you power was off for hours instead of minutes.
 
2011-02-02 10:05:14 AM

This text is now purple: There's no way enough people have toaster heat for the electric demand in winter to outpace the electric demand in the height of summer from A/C use. There is no reason to have to roll blackouts in winter.


That's exactly what I was thinking. Especially since a lot of places have gas furnaces, how does this use more electricity than everyone running their A/C during a 95 degree day?
 
2011-02-02 10:10:22 AM

This text is now purple: YixilTesiphon: Rolling blackouts suck. Turn your heat down when you do have electricity so they can stop.

There's no way enough people have toaster heat for the electric demand in winter to outpace the electric demand in the height of summer from A/C use. There is no reason to have to roll blackouts in winter.


Well... if you have a heat pump (increasingly common), you get really inefficient when the temp drops below 35. Your bill in a cold December/January will be higher than a hot July/August.

That's not the real issue, though. In summer, when it's 100 outside, people still leave their homes and (if they have any brains at all) turn down the AC. When it's winter and 10 outside AND icy, people stay home and leave the heat on 24x7. Though closed, businesses ALSO leave the heat on (at least a minimal amount) to prevent damage. In total, the demand spikes.
 
2011-02-02 10:12:42 AM
Yes 2 inches of snow paralyzes towns that don't usually get snow. It's far easier to shut down for a day or 2 every few years than maintain equipment that is only useful once every few years. And yes Yankees 2 inches of snow would shut your "rugged" town too if it didn't have plows and salt trucks, etc.
 
2011-02-02 10:13:34 AM

theacidrainman: Snow isn't the problem. Its the snow, sleet, rain and 15 degree temperature that is the problem.


Cry me a freakin river! We get that every week in Fargo, and it's currently 19 BELOW, not including wind chill. I'll take your sleet and 15 anyday. Boohoo, it's snowing/sleeting/weather outside!! We deal with this crap every year and you don't see us making headline news for 2 inches...

/csb
//snow still sucks
///-50 with wind chill last night
 
2011-02-02 10:14:57 AM
We got thunderstorms and three inches of rain before it cooled off, so the streets here are under a couple inches of ice and two more of snow. Half the roads haven't been re-paved since this was Mexican land, so somehow, I don't think salting them is really concerning the government.

It doesn't take long for one to realize just how third-world Texas is when compared to some other shiathole in this country.
 
2011-02-02 10:16:40 AM

Tobin_Lam:

Since the natural gas power plants can't get gas it is better to inconvenience everyone periodically than to shut down a whole city or two for hours. You'd be complaining louder if you power was off for hours instead of minutes.


They're the Electric RELIABILITY Council.

Definition of RELIABLE

: suitable or fit to be relied on :

It's ironic. I stand by my comment.

/Lived up North
//Had outages of more than an hour on numerous occasions due to weather-related damage
///Only had 2 non-damage blackouts in 20 years, compared to the fairly common "rolling blackouts" here
 
2011-02-02 10:17:48 AM
I think it's funny that the "big deal, we get a billion inches a year" crowd will be the same crowd that panics when they get a few consecutive days of 90+ degree heat in August.
 
2011-02-02 10:18:45 AM
Man up, nancies.

/In northern Illinois
 
2011-02-02 10:19:27 AM
I'll just point out that down South a lot of us run summer tires year round as there's typically 0-2 days a year that they aren't fine. If you haven't driven on ice with summer tires you really should. It'll get your heart pumping :P

Also, as others have said, there's a big difference between ice (especially ice that's frozen into nice glass-smooth sheets or starting to melt) and snow. Snow doesn't worry me, I drive on that. Ice... well, you'll hit an overpass and start drifting sideways without any changes to throttle, braking, or steering. If it's more than the overpasses iced, I stay the hell home.

Those of y'all up north, don't think of this as your snow-covered roads. Think of it as everyone in the city left the sprinklers on. We have enough equipment to deice overpasses. We don't have enough to deice the entire city.
 
2011-02-02 10:19:27 AM
Maybe it is rolling blackouts in my city too then. We are in Mineral Wells but the power has gone out twice this morning so far.
 
2011-02-02 10:19:42 AM
Rolling blackouts are socialism.

Hurr durp derp
 
2011-02-02 10:21:46 AM

Jarrell86: theacidrainman: Snow isn't the problem. Its the snow, sleet, rain and 15 degree temperature that is the problem.

Cry me a freakin river! We get that every week in Fargo, and it's currently 19 BELOW, not including wind chill. I'll take your sleet and 15 anyday. Boohoo, it's snowing/sleeting/weather outside!! We deal with this crap every year and you don't see us making headline news for 2 inches...

/csb
//snow still sucks
///-50 with wind chill last night


Bah, McMurdo Station laughs at North Dakota weather.

/well, chuckles a bit, anyway.
//Apparently, it's 10 degrees right now. Not too bad for summer.
 
2011-02-02 10:22:52 AM
I think it's funny that the "big deal, we get a billion inches a year" crowd will be the same crowd that panics when they get a few consecutive days of 90+ degree heat in August.

this.
 
2011-02-02 10:26:04 AM
Drove to work this morning (north Dallas). Didn't see snow anywhere. Saw lots of ice. Roughly two inches solid on all city streets. Covered in sand and salt, which did precisely dick-all when the temperature was a balmy 8 degrees at 6:30am.

If you were lucky, some areas of the road had rut depressions from traffic that help you stay in a lane. Didn't do much for stopping, but at least you cut it to one directional degree of freedom.

/grew up in Baltimore
//College in Oklahoma
///Ice storms trump snowstorms every time
 
2011-02-02 10:29:45 AM
I wonder what you people would do when the power goes out for more than a week or a month.
 
2011-02-02 10:32:55 AM

BillSmith70: I wonder what you people would do when the power goes out for more than a week or a month.


cache.gawker.com
 
2011-02-02 10:37:19 AM
Apparently about 1000 people showed up to the Dallas Stars game last night. Clearly hockey has failed in the south and the team needs to be moved to Winnipeg, where the people can handle a little snow.
 
2011-02-02 10:38:51 AM
My brother's in Arlington, and he says there's about 1.5" of ice on everything. Rolling blackouts in his area too, and authorities are telling everyone to stay off the streets.

BTW, an inch or more of ice on the roads isn't anything like a similar depth of snow. Ice can't be reasoned with!
 
2011-02-02 10:39:13 AM
San Antonio once shut down because it was TOO COLD. Seriously. It was like 10 degrees outside, and they canceled schools, employers told people to stay home. There wasn't even any precipitation, it was just cold as hell.

If I remember correctly, a week later it was 100F outside.

/crazy Texas weather
 
2011-02-02 10:39:19 AM

Herb_the_betta: I think it's funny that the "big deal, we get a billion inches a year" crowd will be the same crowd that panics when they get a few consecutive days of 90+ degree heat in August.


Actually, we get both where I live. It's not uncommon to see -30 windchills in winter or 100+ in the summer. The hot weather doesn't require special equipment though.
 
2011-02-02 10:40:11 AM

Resolute: Apparently about 1000 people showed up to the Dallas Stars game last night. Clearly hockey has failed in the south and the team needs to be moved to Winnipeg, where the people can handle a little snow.


Everyone who loves hockey was busy playing on the new skating rink in front of their house.
 
2011-02-02 10:41:24 AM

dcigary:

If I remember correctly, a week later it was 100F outside.

/crazy Texas weather


Yeah, it was 80+ just 6 days ago and now it's in the teens. That's Texas for you.
 
2011-02-02 10:43:39 AM
Glad to see common sense prevailing on this thread. Get real tired of the 'My region is used to weather conditions that your region isn't, therefore you are all idiots' attitude exhibited by the submitter.

Once had a northerner tell me my car was slid because I just didn't know how to handle ice. My car was stationary when it started sliding (at a standstill on an overpass). Not sure what magic way Northerners have of keeping the brake pedal down that we Texans don't have.

Bottom line-snow is OK, ice is bad, and ice with limited de-icing trucks and no one with all weather tires is very tricky, no matter where you are from.
 
2011-02-02 10:47:43 AM
It must be pointed out what the ground temperature is where the 2" of snow/ice falls. Across the south, from Texas to Georgia, for example, the temperature of the ground below the 1 inch surface layer is well above freezing all winter. This is an enormous heat source which changes snow/ice into a semi-liquid zero friction surface which NO type of tires except studded can deal with. Add to this driver inexperience and so-called 'all-season' tires and you get a paralyzed city.

Here in Southern Ontario and across 'the north' the ground temperature in winter is well below freezing to a depth of nearly four feet so when we get 2" of snow it is dry and FAR less slippery than a Dallas 2-incher.

In summary 2" of snow in Dallas-Atlanta is a serious situation while the same amount here in Toronto is 'meh'.

Dave
 
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