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2011-02-01 02:36:42 PM
In other news, I once worked with a guy whose last name is Murbarak. He somehow converted another coworker of ours who is a beautiful girl who had lived as a lesbian for years.

Her name was Viva too. I mean c'mon already
 
2011-02-01 02:36:53 PM

theorellior: I have come to an understanding that the US intelligence apparatus was taken completely by surprise by the uprisings in Egypt, has no inroads with any of the groups agitating for change, and relied on Israel for most of its information, which was also clueless, complacent and hidebound. Why do these people get billions of dollars to play with, again?


To steal your freedoms.
 
2011-02-01 02:37:01 PM
I can't fit this current events stuff in my head right now.

I just found out Walter Bishop from FRINGE was Denethor in LOTR.

www.seahorselabs.com

I mean, OMG.
 
2011-02-01 02:37:09 PM

KAVORKA: Anyone else get this newsflash email like 8 times?


14 times! WTF?
 
2011-02-01 02:37:44 PM

bberg: Aar1012: meat0918: Oooo, I have a text from the Kardashians. Something about not paying attention to Bajoran resistance lies...

Do they still fight for the right to five lights?

I only see 4.


Wrong, sir. There are five lights
 
2011-02-01 02:37:58 PM

Wow, incredible.

ONE TUNISIAN MAN SETTING HIMSELF ON FIRE


Political scientists think they know so much about political life, but no one knows when something will occur that will set off a ripple effect.

Really amazing.
 
2011-02-01 02:38:00 PM

KAVORKA: Anyone else get this newsflash email like 8 times?


Me I was just going to ask the same thing, Ive gotten 15 so far.
 
2011-02-01 02:38:04 PM

theorellior: I have come to an understanding that the US intelligence apparatus was taken completely by surprise by the uprisings in Egypt, has no inroads with any of the groups agitating for change, and relied on Israel for most of its information, which was also clueless, complacent and hidebound. Why do these people get billions of dollars to play with, again?


//tinfoil time
Because certain elements of the US government are trying to hasten the return of Christ and the establishment of paradise on Earth.
//remove tinfoil
 
2011-02-01 02:38:20 PM

demanton: swahnhennessy: That ain't gonna cut it.

Yeah, I don't think so either. Apparently, Mubabarak isn't picking up what 1 million people on his doorstep are putting down.



He better quickly or he's going to end up like Mussollini.
 
2011-02-01 02:38:42 PM

bberg: netweavr: An attack on democracy anywhere is an attack on democracy everywhere.

What are you? Some kind of commie?

I'm just saying that we had 5 years of strife in Iraq after Saddam got what was coming to him - and that was with the US helping them along and guiding their hands. Egypt is going to have the same kinds of trouble but with consequences on a much larger scale simply because of their importance in the world.


We did not invade Egypt. Endemic movements are cleaner than invasions, as a rule.


I just wanted to take this moment to thank everyone who has threadjacked all of the Egypt threads with comments about Chairman Obama "looking out the window and wondering when his time will come." You have displayed true intelligence, insight and wit, and I am sure your smiling photos will grace the cover of every major newspaper the night that all the bronze Obama statues topple and the American people finally rid themselves of this autocratic dictator who has run their lives every day since 1963. Having worked on Obama's campaign for a year an a half, I acutely feel your message about his Communist leanings, his radical Muslim sympathies, and the way he farked over Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Tunisia, and Egypt, first by giving aid and comfort to our enemies, then by failing to support our friends, and finally by opening his mouth at all.

I hope you send him a strong message next November, that the American people have had enough of his totalitarian populist devil-worship, not to mention his all-around negro-ness. And the people of Egypt thank you as well, though for the moment I've forgotten why.
 
2011-02-01 02:39:04 PM

meat0918: Oooo, I have a text from the Kardashians. Something about not paying attention to Bajoran resistance lies...


Still have that cold?
 
2011-02-01 02:39:06 PM
thank you for the 30 emails about this.
 
2011-02-01 02:39:19 PM

netweavr: Then we deal with it when it comes. We don't get to play god, if people want freedom then they have the duty to fight for it.


That's the thing - I don't know what these protesters want. From the Wiki, there's about 80 million people in Egypt. Let's say the highest protest turned out 2 million. First, that's still a very small percentage (though I'll readily admit that 2 million is a huge number and very significant when it comes to protests). But even then these 2 million people just seem to want Mubarak out of power.

Great, ok, now what? Do they have a plan to rebuild the nation? Will they scrap their constitution and start a new one, or just pass new laws to handle situations like this?

Step 1 - overthrow tyrant. Ok, good. But it's steps 2-87 that I'm worried about, especially when it's a country that's so critical to peace in the Middle East as well as gas shipping throughout the world. If Tunisia goes into chaos for 3 years nobody's going to notice. But shut down the Suez Canal for a month and things are going to get very interesting.
 
2011-02-01 02:39:26 PM
"Khaled Bassyouny, a 30-year-old Internet entrepreneur, said it was time to escalate the marches. "It has to burn," he said. "It has to become ugly. We have to take it to the presidential palace." "

Hmmm I can see why he's so angry...
 
2011-02-01 02:39:28 PM

what_now: meat0918: Now Obama needs to speak up in support of the Egyptian people to freely choose their next leader.

IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT US!

Goddamnitsomuch, THIS is why people hate Americans. The Egyptians don't give a good goddamn about us. This is THEIR fight, not ours.


Someone needs to tell Al-Jazeera... (pops)

/... to stop printing articles by that guy.
 
2011-02-01 02:39:49 PM

coco ebert: Wow, incredible.


ONE TUNISIAN MAN SETTING HIMSELF ON FIRE


Political scientists think they know so much about political life, but no one knows when something will occur that will set off a ripple effect.

Really amazing.


World War I started with Gavrilo Princip shooting an Archduke and his wife. It's ridiculous sometimes how the butterfly effect works.
 
2011-02-01 02:39:54 PM

what_now: meat0918: Now Obama needs to speak up in support of the Egyptian people to freely choose their next leader.

IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT US!

Goddamnitsomuch, THIS is why people hate Americans. The Egyptians don't give a good goddamn about us. This is THEIR fight, not ours.


Except that we've been helping him maintain power through giving tons of money primarily for military purposes. Helping ensure a peaceful rather than violent transition is the best thing we can do, we can't be seen as continuing to support him (which is the implication of total silence).
 
2011-02-01 02:40:30 PM

Freakman: muck4doo: Breaking news: Obama has just asked Mubarak not to run again for president of Egypt. Seriously.

/He needs to just keep his mouth shut right now.

Is this true? Can he not make a farking decision? He goes for the middle road every freaking time.

Obama wants to avoid throwing Mubarak under the bus. Problem is, he's already under the bus. Our best option is to join the crowd and cheer as it drags him away.

/stop treating regimes as allies, start treating countries as allies


They are not considered regimes when WE set them up.

CIA always goes for the low fruit, like drug lords, dictatorial sociopaths and the like.
 
2011-02-01 02:41:07 PM
"President Obama has told the embattled president of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, that he should not run for another term in elections in the fall, effectively withdrawing American support for its closest Arab ally, according to American diplomats in Cairo and Washington."


Turn out the lights...
 
2011-02-01 02:41:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: World War I started with Gavrilo Princip shooting an Archduke and his wife. It's ridiculous sometimes how the butterfly effect works.


Yup. All these quantitative models about revolution and political change. The truth is, no one knows sh*t.
 
2011-02-01 02:42:08 PM

mahuika: nekom: He won't seek reelection. I wonder why? Seems to me he'd have an excellent chance at it.

He didn't have a chance last time. But throwing your popular opposition in jail for five years solves that problem.


Chavez does the same thing. Egypt is a democracy in name only. IMO, Mubarck should just leave. No one respects him.
 
2011-02-01 02:42:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: World War I started with Gavrilo Princip shooting an Archduke and his wife. It's ridiculous sometimes how the butterfly effect works.


And Princip only got him through pure blind luck, as his car turned down the wrong damn street. And the Archduke may have lived, were he not so vain that he insisted he be sewn into his f*cking outfits. And/or had he not been dumb enough to make the visit in the first place.
 
2011-02-01 02:42:24 PM
Mubarak could just stay in his compound and wait for the crowds to get tired....no food shipments, no fuel....just let it all turn into a wasteland of starving people and burning buildings and chaos.....I mean, he could. I wonder if he will
 
2011-02-01 02:42:35 PM

DarthBrooks: I can't fit this current events stuff in my head right now.

I just found out Walter Bishop from FRINGE was Denethor in LOTR.



I mean, OMG.


You just made my head asplode.
 
2011-02-01 02:42:58 PM
Hey FARK, thanks for the dozen Newsflash alerts in my email all leading to the same story. Nice alert work there, Lou.
 
2011-02-01 02:43:13 PM

DarthBrooks: I can't fit this current events stuff in my head right now.

I just found out Walter Bishop from FRINGE was Denethor in LOTR.



I mean, OMG.


And he has a hot daughter. Your gonna have a busy week.
www.joblo.com
 
2011-02-01 02:44:05 PM
img190.imageshack.us

(yeah, I know, this is *so* last week ...)
 
2011-02-01 02:44:16 PM

shower_in_my_socks: "President Obama has told the embattled president of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, that he should not run for another term in elections in the fall, effectively withdrawing American support for its closest Arab ally, according to American diplomats in Cairo and Washington."


Turn out the lights...


I don't know what they're doing covertly, but the way the Obama administration has handled the uprisings in Iran, Tunisia, and Egypt has actually been good. Keep their noses out of it for the most part, and let people there do their own thing. AFTER the people have poured out onto the streets and shown their own self-determination, then the support by the Americans means more and can't be used as much to inflame anti-American passions in the region.
 
2011-02-01 02:44:30 PM

WilderKWight: Hey FARK, thanks for the dozen Newsflash alerts in my email all leading to the same story. Nice alert work there, Lou.


This. I have 14, now.
 
2011-02-01 02:44:37 PM
bberg
We're witnessing the end of a major era here, folks. The world is in for some major shiat in the next few years (perhaps decades) especially if Egypt is allowed to descend into chaos during a "transition period" here because God knows these college kids and anarchists don't know how to set up a legitimate government.

Get ready for $6 gas. Get ready for food shortages. Get ready for martial law in the US because of growing unrest. And all because "Democracy won" in Egypt.

We're farked.


Hardly. And here is why:

farm1.static.flickr.com

The last time that that oil prices skyrocketed, the U.S. and the rest of the world cut back on oil consumption, and that in turn drove down the price of oil. There is of course a breaking point where the American people, and/or their wallets simply won't or cannot tolerate the high cost of fuel. As such this sent Dubai World and the UAE into $60B dollars worth of debt teetering on bankruptcy, and Iran into a borderline depression, as well as countless other countries stepping up their civil unrest.

Short Term: The Middle East needs us as much as we need them.
Long Term: The Middle East needs us far more than we need them. We are their number one, and their only significant source of income. Asia's thirst for oil may be on the rise, but their tolerance for high prices is no where near ours. We need cupholders for our soy lattes in our monster SUVs. They'll just go back to bicycles and donkeys.

If there is a threat to the flow of oil exiting the Middle East, that means that there is also a threat to the flow of wealth returning back in. And the Arabs cannot risk losing that. The U.S. will survive, China will survive, Europe and Russia will survive. The Middle East will collapse and rely upon us for food and water from here until eternity. So you can bet that the UAE, the Saudis, and everyone else will initiate wholesale slaughter against any radial forces that threaten their very lifeblood.

We'll see a spike, but it won't be for very long, and we'll never see anything high enough shut us as a country down. America is truly holding all of the cards.
 
2011-02-01 02:45:04 PM

chu2dogg: what_now: Goddamnitsomuch, THIS is why people hate Americans. The Egyptians don't give a good goddamn about us. This is THEIR fight, not ours.

I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go to theocracy due to the irresponsibility of its own people.


Um.....

100 LORD GIVE ME THE STRENGTH TO CHANGE THAT WHICH I CAN
200 TO ACCEPT THAT WHICH I CANNOT
300 AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
400 GOTO 100
 
2011-02-01 02:45:04 PM
Then again, it ain't over 'til it's over. Don't underestimate Egypt's military and intelligence agencies.
 
2011-02-01 02:45:07 PM

KAVORKA: Anyone else get this newsflash email like 8 times?


14, so far...
 
2011-02-01 02:45:15 PM

Occam's Chainsaw: cameroncrazy1984: World War I started with Gavrilo Princip shooting an Archduke and his wife. It's ridiculous sometimes how the butterfly effect works.

And Princip only got him through pure blind luck, as his car turned down the wrong damn street. And the Archduke may have lived, were he not so vain that he insisted he be sewn into his f*cking outfits. And/or had he not been dumb enough to make the visit in the first place.


One of my favorite books is The Guns of August, detailing the events from 1912 on that lead up to the war. Some truly stupid things happened in 1914 to lead to that point, but the actual event was just absurd
 
2011-02-01 02:45:18 PM

mahuika: nekom: He won't seek reelection. I wonder why? Seems to me he'd have an excellent chance at it.

He didn't have a chance last time. But throwing your popular opposition in jail for five years solves that problem.


storefront.steampowered.com
not always.
I was running really behind in the polls. Something about not paying my workers, and charging them a year's salary for one month's rent in crappy goverment tenement.

Well, I jailed the guy that was running against me, but someone else immediatly ran against me. I had him jailed too. Then someone else also ran against me. I had him shot. But people kept running against me. Went like this:
1. Jailed
2. Jailed
3. Shot
4. Jailed
5. Shot
6. Shot
7. Shot in the town square by my police in full view of everyone
8. Jailed
9. Jailed, then released and then shot

This continued right up to the minute before elections. Right after shooting the last guy, some other guy ran for El Presidente 10 seconds before the elections and won.

Stupid islanders. You think they would have gotten the message...Now all I got is a small suitcase, and even smaller leaky boat, and a whole lot of ocean.
 
2011-02-01 02:45:28 PM

TheEternal: WilderKWight: Hey FARK, thanks for the dozen Newsflash alerts in my email all leading to the same story. Nice alert work there, Lou.

This. I have 14, now.


Turn off News flash email alerts. They're sent automatically whenever someone submits one, aren't they? Hence the policy on not abusing the newflash tag.
 
2011-02-01 02:46:04 PM

Occam's Chainsaw: cameroncrazy1984: World War I started with Gavrilo Princip shooting an Archduke and his wife. It's ridiculous sometimes how the butterfly effect works.

And Princip only got him through pure blind luck, as his car turned down the wrong damn street. And the Archduke may have lived, were he not so vain that he insisted he be sewn into his f*cking outfits. And/or had he not been dumb enough to make the visit in the first place.


True, but I also suspect WWI might have happened even if that not for that. Another event would have likely set off the powder keg.

/The powder keg of "Well, it's just too goddamn much trouble to NOT have a war."
 
2011-02-01 02:46:18 PM
"... let his people go"

I, for one, got it.
 
2011-02-01 02:46:30 PM

meat0918: Because certain elements of the US government are trying to hasten the return of Christ and the establishment of paradise on Earth.


That's not tinfoil hattery, that's Bush's legacy to us courtesy of Regent University.
 
2011-02-01 02:46:55 PM
bberg
the next few years (perhaps decades) especially if Egypt is allowed to descend into chaos during a "transition period" here because God knows these college kids and anarchists don't know how to set up a legitimate government

Nah.
Egypt has the pyramids which means there will only be one turn of anarchy when they switch to another form of government.
 
2011-02-01 02:47:25 PM

theorellior: I have come to an understanding that the US intelligence apparatus was taken completely by surprise by the uprisings in Egypt, has no inroads with any of the groups agitating for change, and relied on Israel for most of its information, which was also clueless, complacent and hidebound. Why do these people get billions of dollars to play with, again?


Yeah, this is the first time that the US (and the rest of the world) has been caught by surprise regarding regime changes...

/I'm referring to the collapse of communism in the Warsaw Pact nations and the USSR for those who are stupid and/or under 20.
 
2011-02-01 02:47:51 PM

WilderKWight: Hey FARK, thanks for the dozen Newsflash alerts in my email all leading to the same story. Nice alert work there, Lou.


And everyone tells me to stop taking my lead & mercury suppliments when I say the the mods aint what they use to be.
 
2011-02-01 02:47:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: World War I started with Gavrilo Princip shooting an Archduke and his wife. It's ridiculous sometimes how the butterfly effect works.


WWI is an example of a trigger setting off an elaborate but fairly predictable mechanism, not - what I think of as - the butterfly effect. Dunno about this.

/predictable in hindsight, that is. traceable.
 
2011-02-01 02:48:00 PM

Occam's Chainsaw: To continue the metaphor, he doesn't have the grip strength. When he lost the military, he lost the country. His options now are "lovely villa on the French Med" or "swinging at the end of a rope".


Probably true. I'd take the money and run, but maybe he decides to pick one last fight with Israel...
 
2011-02-01 02:48:10 PM

what_now: IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT US!

Goddamnitsomuch, THIS is why people hate Americans.


But we're the World Police! It's our sworn duty to help these disadvantaged brown people choose the right leader! You know, one who will do everything we ask him to and promise us cheap oil.
 
2011-02-01 02:48:31 PM

bberg: netweavr: Then we deal with it when it comes. We don't get to play god, if people want freedom then they have the duty to fight for it.

That's the thing - I don't know what these protesters want. From the Wiki, there's about 80 million people in Egypt. Let's say the highest protest turned out 2 million. First, that's still a very small percentage (though I'll readily admit that 2 million is a huge number and very significant when it comes to protests). But even then these 2 million people just seem to want Mubarak out of power.

Great, ok, now what? Do they have a plan to rebuild the nation? Will they scrap their constitution and start a new one, or just pass new laws to handle situations like this?

Step 1 - overthrow tyrant. Ok, good. But it's steps 2-87 that I'm worried about, especially when it's a country that's so critical to peace in the Middle East as well as gas shipping throughout the world. If Tunisia goes into chaos for 3 years nobody's going to notice. But shut down the Suez Canal for a month and things are going to get very interesting.


That's their issue. If the whole world has a single point of failure, then we deserve the chaos anyways.

It's their land and their freedom.
 
2011-02-01 02:48:33 PM

chu2dogg: what_now: Goddamnitsomuch, THIS is why people hate Americans. The Egyptians don't give a good goddamn about us. This is THEIR fight, not ours.

I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go to theocracy due to the irresponsibility of its own people.


God, you're like my crazy religious uncle who tries to sneak some Jesus into me and claims he's just worried about my soul.

Stop concern trolling.
 
2011-02-01 02:48:58 PM

coco ebert: Wow, incredible.


ONE TUNISIAN MAN SETTING HIMSELF ON FIRE


Political scientists think they know so much about political life, but no one knows when something will occur that will set off a ripple effect.

Really amazing.


It really is. Fascinating stuff going on here. What's more fascinating is how little that governments control nowadays. First, we have Google, an American company, setting up a system to allow the protestors to bypass the internet blackout despite the government of the US being a strategic partner of the regime. Then, an Egyptian telecommunications company turned on all phone systems regardless of payment status to allow the same thing in defiance of the regime. Corporations are taking the sides of consumers vice the government.

You have the political fringe groups in the Middle East completely behind the power curve in an event that will undermine all of their efforts for the past few decades. Also fascinating. The only players farther behind the curve are the US and Israeli governments. Completely hamfisted and shortsighted responses.

The entire recent history of the Middle East is being upended by peaceful means vice violent means, and it's sending shockwaves throughout the world.

Fascinating, all of it. And I can't watch it because the media in this country wants to talk about Charlie Sheen and there's no demand for Al Jazeera because it has a scary name.
 
2011-02-01 02:49:23 PM
BBC a reporting that Al Jazeera are claiming they've been blocked in the middle east

"Clearly there are powers that do not want our important images pushing for democracy and reform to be seen by the public," a spokesman adds.
 
2011-02-01 02:49:55 PM

muck4doo: Breaking news: Obama has just asked Mubarak not to run again for president of Egypt. Seriously.

/He needs to just keep his mouth shut right now.


May as well include the reference while you're at it.
 
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