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(NPR)   We know you've been waiting breathlessly for mid-east expert Jimmy Carter to weigh in on the Egypt situation. Well, wait no longer   (npr.org) divider line 190
    More: Interesting, Jimmy Carter, Middle East, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Egypt, Six Day War, Ayatollah Khomeini, diplomatic missions of the United States, Islamic Revolution  
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2011-01-31 05:16:40 PM
Yeah, you're right, Subby. What the hell would Jimmy Carter know about helping out the peace process in Egypt? It's not like HE ever pitched in, and aided in accomplishing anything of lasting significance over there. He should just shut up, and -

Oh, wait...
 
2011-01-31 05:51:16 PM
Jimmy Carter has what you need right here.

/oblig
 
2011-01-31 07:42:04 PM
Something something Sadat something Camp David something Begin something something Dark Side.
 
2011-01-31 08:07:35 PM

MaxxLarge: It's not like HE ever pitched in, and aided in accomplishing anything of lasting significance over there. He should just shut up, and -


what was that, like 50 years ago?
 
2011-01-31 08:08:03 PM
One of my high school teachers worked with the defense and state department for a number of years after leaving the navy. He spent a lot of time in Egypt in the late 70's and 80's.

He said what was remarkable was that every cafe had three pictures somewhere on the walls; the President of Egypt, the local imam, and Jimmy Carter.

He's pretty respected out there.
 
2011-01-31 08:08:32 PM

MaxxLarge: Yeah, you're right, Subby. What the hell would Jimmy Carter know about helping out the peace process in Egypt? It's not like HE ever pitched in, and aided in accomplishing anything of lasting significance over there. He should just shut up, and -

Oh, wait...


The Camp David Accords are the very reason there's still a Palestinian "question." Egypt was and is the only middle eastern country that can threaten Israel militarily. By taking that threat off the table, Israel has had no compelling reason to settle the question for over 30 years now*.

Combine that with the complete mishandling of the Iranian revolution (before, during and after), and there is absolutely no reason to give any credit to what Carter says about region.

*Of course, Palestine only really ever mattered to the Palestinians anyway. For all the countries out there, it's just a useful geopolitical pawn.
 
2011-01-31 08:08:48 PM
This is actually one of the only opinions I care about in this whole situation. You can never tell what the real story is from American "news".
 
2011-01-31 08:08:49 PM
Subby, are you being ironic or are you really this stupid?

This is important.

/actually, it isn't.
 
2011-01-31 08:09:02 PM
Carter messed up with his 'hit list' and Iran. He inherited the inflation from Vietnam and Mid East crisis.
 
2011-01-31 08:09:28 PM
Peanut farmer is nuts
 
2011-01-31 08:10:02 PM
NPR and Jimmy Carter........
Nowhere to go but up....
 
2011-01-31 08:10:42 PM
Actually, subby, I *was* waiting for Carter's opinion, thanks.
 
2011-01-31 08:10:54 PM
special envoy carter?
 
2011-01-31 08:10:58 PM
Yep, the ol' Carter Mideast Doctrine. Do nothing for six months, then FAIL.
leatherneckm31.typepad.com
 
2011-01-31 08:11:20 PM
Jimmy Carter is right, you know.
 
2011-01-31 08:11:32 PM
I sense the sarcasm in this headline, but I don't understand it.
 
2011-01-31 08:11:47 PM
He's still alive?
 
2011-01-31 08:11:55 PM
Nobody gives a shiat what Jimmy Carter thinks.

/About anything.
 
2011-01-31 08:12:11 PM
Won't that fart ever shut up or finally dry up and kick the bucket?
 
2011-01-31 08:12:57 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Jimmy Carter is right, you know.

"This is the most profound situation in the Middle East since I left office," Carter said Sunday


Yes he is.
 
2011-01-31 08:13:16 PM
Maybe he should go on tour with Muhammad Ali.
 
2011-01-31 08:13:37 PM

MaxxLarge: Yeah, you're right, Subby. What the hell would Jimmy Carter know about helping out the peace process in Egypt? It's not like HE ever pitched in, and aided in accomplishing anything of lasting significance over there. He should just shut up, and -

Oh, wait...


But I thought Jimmy liked dictators:

latimesblogs.latimes.com

i42.tinypic.com
 
2011-01-31 08:15:18 PM
I use to think Jimmy was the worst President ever....but then came Obama.
 
2011-01-31 08:15:32 PM

I am not a Limivore: Nobody gives a shiat what Jimmy Carter thinks.

/About anything.


I do.

He's usually right.
 
2011-01-31 08:16:05 PM
and what is Bush's (w) opinion on this I am sure it would be something intelligent, and he did so much more for US world relations then Carter


/was hard to type that doubled over in laughter
 
2011-01-31 08:16:42 PM

therealpope: I use to think Jimmy was the worst President ever....but then came Obama.


If you are in the upper 1/3 of income earners, you might have a point.
 
2011-01-31 08:17:01 PM
Anyone! Anywhere, even Ronnie Regan's teddy bear collection,
someone gotta steer the ship of state...
its going onto the rocks!
i866.photobucket.com
 
2011-01-31 08:17:23 PM

You mean his advice wasn't "Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit!"


Carter is an underrated ex-President.

 
2011-01-31 08:18:20 PM

Babwa Wawa: MaxxLarge: Yeah, you're right, Subby. What the hell would Jimmy Carter know about helping out the peace process in Egypt? It's not like HE ever pitched in, and aided in accomplishing anything of lasting significance over there. He should just shut up, and -

Oh, wait...

The Camp David Accords are the very reason there's still a Palestinian "question." Egypt was and is the only middle eastern country that can threaten Israel militarily. By taking that threat off the table, Israel has had no compelling reason to settle the question for over 30 years now*.

Combine that with the complete mishandling of the Iranian revolution (before, during and after), and there is absolutely no reason to give any credit to what Carter says about region.

*Of course, Palestine only really ever mattered to the Palestinians anyway. For all the countries out there, it's just a useful geopolitical pawn.


Israel would have never settled the question either way. Their Zealots wouldn't allow it.

Carter IS the only outside political leader to ever successfully get the parties in one room and talking. Before or since.

Ultimately in vain, however.
 
2011-01-31 08:18:30 PM

MBooda: Yep, the ol' Carter Mideast Doctrine. Do nothing for six months, then FAIL.


Yeah. It would've been better to kill all the hostages, huh. For political reasons.

I notice Reagan didn't teach them any lessons after the hostages were released, either. Our people were home safely, Reagan could have declared war then, but noooo.... It's all Carter's fault for being unwilling to sacrifice civilians.

And 8 soldiers giving their lives trying isn't good enough for you, is it. Most people called them heroes; you call them failures.
 
2011-01-31 08:19:41 PM

skinink: You mean his advice wasn't "Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit!"
Carter is an underrated ex-President.


He took on the most powerful arm of the Federal Government (at the time) early in his term and lost. Too bad. Had he not done that, he might have survived another term.
 
2011-01-31 08:20:02 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: MBooda: Yep, the ol' Carter Mideast Doctrine. Do nothing for six months, then FAIL.

Yeah. It would've been better to kill all the hostages, huh. For political reasons.

I notice Reagan didn't teach them any lessons after the hostages were released, either. Our people were home safely, Reagan could have declared war then, but noooo.... It's all Carter's fault for being unwilling to sacrifice civilians.

And 8 soldiers giving their lives trying isn't good enough for you, is it. Most people called them heroes; you call them failures.


If you don't succeed...
 
2011-01-31 08:20:17 PM
Disappointing that Carter likes Suleiman, America's favorite out-source for torture. But I shouldn't be surprised.

Despite Carter's painting by the GOP as weak, he was as much a practitioner of realpolitik as any other player on the stage at that time. He might not have been as cynical as some other presidents we know and love, but he was anything but a shrinking violet. And he never peered into Brezhnev's soul and gave him a nickname.
 
2011-01-31 08:22:27 PM

Babwa Wawa: The Camp David Accords are the very reason there's still a Palestinian "question." Egypt was and is the only middle eastern country that can threaten Israel militarily. By taking that threat off the table, Israel has had no compelling reason to settle the question for over 30 years now*.


You know very well that to the Muslim world, the only acceptable resolution of the "Palestinian Question" is the destruction of the Zionist state.

The Zionists did not go down without a fight in 1948 or 1956 or 1967 or 1973.

Taking the Egyptian threat off the table has resulted in relative peace for almost 40 years.

If the Egyptian threat is back in play, be assured the Zionists will, again, not go down without a fight. The pathetic Palestinians have nothing to do with it.
 
2011-01-31 08:23:32 PM

therealpope: I use to think Jimmy was the worst President ever....but then came Obama.


There's always a...tie
 
2011-01-31 08:25:57 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Reagan could have declared war then, but noooo....


Probably because that would have violated the agreement that freed the hostages, but whatever.
 
2011-01-31 08:26:53 PM

hasty ambush: But I thought Jimmy liked dictators:


LOVES 'em.

www.corbisimages.com

www.cartercenter.org

cache.boston.com

photos.upi.com

That's Jimmy's good buddy Lester Maddox on the right.
 
2011-01-31 08:30:05 PM
Bow down to your dark Mistress and Lady, Amy Carter
 
2011-01-31 08:32:16 PM

MaxxLarge: Yeah, you're right, Subby. What the hell would Jimmy Carter know about helping out the peace process in Egypt...


Well, to paraphrase Reagan, it's not that he doesn't know anything, it's that so much of what he knows is wrong.
 
2011-01-31 08:33:49 PM
Jimmy Carter, history's greatest monster.

marriott67.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-01-31 08:34:21 PM

Gulper Eel: hasty ambush: But I thought Jimmy liked dictators:

LOVES 'em.


That's Jimmy's good buddy Lester Maddox on the right.


I'm trying to understand your point. Do you have one?
 
2011-01-31 08:34:29 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: Lenny_da_Hog: Reagan could have declared war then, but noooo....

Probably because that would have violated the agreement that freed the hostages, but whatever.


Do you think any of the tough-talking right-wingers here would care about a lousy treaty?
 
2011-01-31 08:35:05 PM

Another Government Employee: Israel would have never settled the question either way. Their Zealots wouldn't allow it.


There was a time (new window) when Israel was scared shiatless for their existence. The zealots, even if they had the political influence they have today (they didn't) would not have had much to argue about.

Carter should have realized that the Camp David accords would back-burner the palestinians for the foreseeable future.

Obama has lessons to learn from Carter's handling of the Iranian revolution, and from Eisenhower's handling of the Cuban revolution. In both cases, there was opportunity to reach out to the revolutionaries and ensure a neutral, if not friendly, regime.

Let's hope Obama's doing it right. We won't know for a good 10-20 years, though.
 
2011-01-31 08:37:37 PM

Obnox: Disappointing that Carter likes Suleiman, America's favorite out-source for torture. But I shouldn't be surprised.

Despite Carter's painting by the GOP as weak, he was as much a practitioner of realpolitik as any other player on the stage at that time.


He was the worst of both: a weak realist.

Not only did he broker the Sadat-Begin deal through sick farks like Ceausescu and King Hassan, what was accomplished was not peace. There was only an absence of official military hostilities, with the underlying hatreds tamped down by our money bankrolling the Sadat/Mubarak police state.

Maybe if we'd simply stayed out of the way and let the two sides fight it out, a guy like Muhammad Atta would've simply joined the Egyptian army and never been heard from.
 
2011-01-31 08:39:11 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: And 8 soldiers giving their lives trying isn't good enough for you, is it. Most people called them heroes; you call them failures.


Actually, I called the Carter Doctrine a failure. The aircrew and marines (NOT soldiers; please, if you must misrepresent, check your facts) were victims of that failure.
 
2011-01-31 08:41:09 PM

Genevieve Marie: I am not a Limivore: Nobody gives a shiat what Jimmy Carter thinks.

/About anything.

I do.

He's usually right.


As do I! He tried to get America pointed in the right direction regarding energy and financial responsibility. Reagan tore the solar panels off the White House that Carter installed. Think where that technology would be now if our "leaders" would have tried to lead us as Carter did.
 
2011-01-31 08:41:33 PM
I could easily see some Carter Center-aided elections in Egypt within a few months.
 
2011-01-31 08:41:36 PM

Nadie_AZ: I'm trying to understand your point. Do you have one?


Carter's been bum-tonguing dictators, bigots and torturers for 45 years now, kissing up to whatever sonofabiatch could advance his political career, but when the cameras roll he puts on his pious international-Mister-Rogers face and there will always be useful idiots around to eat it up.
 
2011-01-31 08:41:45 PM

MaxxLarge: Yeah, you're right, Subby. What the hell would Jimmy Carter know about helping out the peace process in Egypt? It's not like HE ever pitched in, and aided in accomplishing anything of lasting significance over there. He should just shut up, and -

Oh, wait...


About that "peace":

www.documentingreality.com
 
2011-01-31 08:42:45 PM

MBooda: Lenny_da_Hog: And 8 soldiers giving their lives trying isn't good enough for you, is it. Most people called them heroes; you call them failures.

Actually, I called the Carter Doctrine a failure. The aircrew and marines (NOT soldiers; please, if you must misrepresent, check your facts) were victims of that failure.


Typical government lib apologist. The reason people work for the government in any capacity is because they can't get real jobs.
 
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