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(The New York Times)   Rep. Issa (R-ight Wing) wants to know the name of every person who makes a Freedom of Information Act request to the government. It's just a personal foible of his   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-01-30 04:05:43 PM  
I made an FOIA request for some records and included was a copy of my previous FOIA request. Correspondence with the government is a public record. I also saw somebody else's file where half the contents was the response to a previous request for the contents, a cover letter plus a set of copies. You can cause the file to grow exponentially this way because every response includes all previous responses.
 
2011-01-30 04:09:03 PM  
Issa go burn down another factory for insurance money and leave us alone you sack of crap
 
2011-01-30 04:10:16 PM  
If a private citizen made that kind of FOIA request it would

1) be refused as overly broad and not related to a central function of the agency -- tracking who asks for what is not what an agency does on a day-to-day basis

2) incredibly expensive because the law allows reasonable charges for gathering and reproducing information

so my question is this: Will these agencies that rely on Congress for funding refuse his request or charge his office for the cost?
 
2011-01-30 04:12:18 PM  
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2011-01-30 04:24:18 PM  

ZAZ: I made an FOIA request for some records and included was a copy of my previous FOIA request. Correspondence with the government is a public record. I also saw somebody else's file where half the contents was the response to a previous request for the contents, a cover letter plus a set of copies. You can cause the file to grow exponentially this way because every response includes all previous responses.


So if everyone were to constantly file requests for a particular topic, the file would get swamped with request forms...I sense someone's opportunity to troll the government.
 
2011-01-30 04:27:18 PM  

UNC_Samurai: So if everyone were to constantly file requests for a particular topic, the file would get swamped with request forms...I sense someone's opportunity to troll the government.


you mean like birthers and Hawaii?
 
2011-01-30 04:33:25 PM  
Translated: My sponsors would really like to know who is gathering info on their actions.
 
2011-01-30 04:35:14 PM  
Mr. Issa, a California Republican and the new chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, says he wants to make sure agencies respond in a timely fashion to Freedom of Information Act requests and do not delay them out of political considerations.

Right.
 
2011-01-30 04:55:17 PM  
I'm sure that will result in a net decrease in the size of "big government"

/somehow
 
2011-01-30 05:00:57 PM  
It's time to revive the 3rd Amendment. Some people think that it's there because it was a way to tax colonials by forcing them to feed & lodge British soldiers. While this was true, it's more sinister purpose was to intimidate the colonials into behaving the way the Brits wanted them to.

This is just another way to intimidate people into behaving the way Issa wants them to.
 
2011-01-30 06:00:25 PM  
Next week from Daniel Issa:

"I have in my hand the names of 300 terrorists..."
 
2011-01-30 06:03:45 PM  
It's the same Asshat who was responsible for making Ahnold governor of CA.
 
2011-01-30 08:42:24 PM  
Lorelle: It's the same Asshat who was responsible for making Ahnold governor of CA.

True Pretty Eyes, but remember Ahnold could have been a lot lot lot worse...

Hell, look at who I have.
 
2011-01-30 09:16:13 PM  

baka-san: Hell, look at who I have.


Ah, Governor Goodhair. Even with Perdue, I pity you.

/She's a damn sight better than Greasy.
//Still, Pat McCrory is one of the few Repubs I'll gladly pull the lever for.
 
2011-01-30 09:23:03 PM  

Occam's Chainsaw: baka-san: Hell, look at who I have.

Ah, Governor Goodhair. Even with Perdue, I pity you.


We've got Governor Pilot, whose first act in office was to throw out the disclosure rules for himself and his staff.
 
2011-01-30 09:50:13 PM  
Rep. Issa (R-ight Wingaging douche-bag)

FTFY subby
 
2011-01-30 09:51:38 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Mr. Issa, a California Republican and the new chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, says he wants to make sure agencies respond in a timely fashion to Freedom of Information Act requests and do not delay them out of political considerations.

Right.


It would probably be a very good thing to track by agency, the numbers of FOIAs, the numbers rejected, and the distribution of the times to service and release the information.

That would seem to accomplish what he claims he is looking for.
 
2011-01-30 09:52:10 PM  

UNC_Samurai: ZAZ: I made an FOIA request for some records and included was a copy of my previous FOIA request. Correspondence with the government is a public record. I also saw somebody else's file where half the contents was the response to a previous request for the contents, a cover letter plus a set of copies. You can cause the file to grow exponentially this way because every response includes all previous responses.

So if everyone were to constantly file requests for a particular topic, the file would get swamped with request forms...I sense someone's opportunity to troll the government.


How about we FOIA where this guy's brain wound up? Moran.
 
2011-01-30 09:54:44 PM  

GAT_00: We've got Governor Pilot, whose first act in office was to throw out the disclosure rules for himself and his staff.


Yeah, there's another winner. I've always thought of NC as a bona fide southern state, and full to the brim with the kinds of rampant cronyism, nepotism, and good ol' boy shenanigans associated with such. The past few years, we've been seeming downright sane in comparison.

Well, other than that re-electing Burr bit. Mark my words, that asshat will see the chopping block next go-around, if I have to run myself.
 
2011-01-30 09:54:59 PM  
So, some seem to like FOIA, unless it involves them...
 
2011-01-30 09:55:08 PM  
See this would make sense if the information were treated as if it were a book at the public library but isn't this information supposedly free?

What's the point of asking for free information if you have to be cataloged for asking for it?
 
2011-01-30 09:55:23 PM  
I smell job opportunities! Thank you, GOPers!
 
2011-01-30 09:56:02 PM  

ZAZ: I made an FOIA request for some records and included was a copy of my previous FOIA request. Correspondence with the government is a public record. I also saw somebody else's file where half the contents was the response to a previous request for the contents, a cover letter plus a set of copies. You can cause the file to grow exponentially this way because every response includes all previous responses.


Pretty much this. If you ask for a public record, your request becomes public record. Does this loser not grasp the concept?
 
2011-01-30 09:56:44 PM  
I've made a half-dozen requests over the last decade for various reasons. Nothing too interesting or scandalous, just information for various projects.

Something like this could have a chilling effect on requests. Frankly though Issa's call for FOIA responses to be more timely and less politically motivated is a good thing. It can take months sometimes to get a response, and require a few additional appeals and tweaks as well.
 
2011-01-30 09:59:18 PM  

Occam's Chainsaw 2011-01-30 09:16:13 PM
baka-san: Hell, look at who I have.

Ah, Governor Goodhair. Even with Perdue, I pity you.


Let's make a Deal!
 
2011-01-30 10:00:39 PM  

dj_bigbird: It's time to revive the 3rd Amendment. Some people think that it's there because it was a way to tax colonials by forcing them to feed & lodge British soldiers. While this was true, it's more sinister purpose was to intimidate the colonials into behaving the way the Brits wanted them to.

This is just another way to intimidate people into behaving the way Issa wants them to.


So Issa had the gov set up some soldiers in your house? For all that Issa is an asshole and deserves to die painfully, I suspect I would have seen it on the internets if he'd stationed some soldiers in your house. Perhaps you can post some pictures?

If not, then how do you propose we should "revive" the 3rd amendment?
 
2011-01-30 10:02:50 PM  
It used to take three or four months to get a FOIA request back from the INS. Once the PATRIOT Act turned it into the CIS, it can take well over a year.
 
2011-01-30 10:03:27 PM  

Lorelle: It's the same Asshat who was responsible for making Ahnold governor of CA.


Wait what? I guess no one voted for him, and he just magically became the governor? It was a conspiracy of the statehouse in the Republican controlled state of California?
 
2011-01-30 10:05:31 PM  

Occam's Chainsaw: GAT_00: We've got Governor Pilot, whose first act in office was to throw out the disclosure rules for himself and his staff.

Yeah, there's another winner. I've always thought of NC as a bona fide southern state, and full to the brim with the kinds of rampant cronyism, nepotism, and good ol' boy shenanigans associated with such. The past few years, we've been seeming downright sane in comparison.

Well, other than that re-electing Burr bit. Mark my words, that asshat will see the chopping block next go-around, if I have to run myself.


Cuz those things never happen in a northern state, like Illinois or New York. They don't happen and never have.
 
2011-01-30 10:05:47 PM  
This behavior poses no immediate threat to the American people. He's just making sure they have all their ducks in a row for when Chancellor Palin decides the information is relevant to rooting out the dissidents.
 
2011-01-30 10:07:02 PM  
Never an overly-armed nutcase around when you need one.
 
2011-01-30 10:07:07 PM  

Lithanus: Occam's Chainsaw: GAT_00: We've got Governor Pilot, whose first act in office was to throw out the disclosure rules for himself and his staff.

Yeah, there's another winner. I've always thought of NC as a bona fide southern state, and full to the brim with the kinds of rampant cronyism, nepotism, and good ol' boy shenanigans associated with such. The past few years, we've been seeming downright sane in comparison.

Well, other than that re-electing Burr bit. Mark my words, that asshat will see the chopping block next go-around, if I have to run myself.

Cuz those things never happen in a northern state, like Illinois or New York. They don't happen and never have.


Actually, supposedly TN is the worst state for corruption in the US. I don't quite agree with that, but I think Haslam is going to make us really earn that label in the next couple years.
 
2011-01-30 10:07:23 PM  

HelloMyNameIs: ZAZ: I made an FOIA request for some records and included was a copy of my previous FOIA request. Correspondence with the government is a public record. I also saw somebody else's file where half the contents was the response to a previous request for the contents, a cover letter plus a set of copies. You can cause the file to grow exponentially this way because every response includes all previous responses.

Pretty much this. If you ask for a public record, your request becomes public record. Does this loser not grasp the concept?


Its a republican wanting the information, therefore it is evil, wrong, and evil. Oh, did I mention evil. Because its a republican. See, its self-explanatory.
 
2011-01-30 10:12:14 PM  
I remember when Fark used to not greenlight links to websites where you had to have an account to read the article.

/DNRTFA.
 
2011-01-30 10:13:52 PM  

Lithanus: Cuz those things never happen in a northern state, like Illinois or New York. They don't happen and never have.


I've lived here for all of my life I was old enough to remember. So while yes, I academically understood that other places were corrupt, I thought that we as a southern state were near the head of the pack. It's only in my adult life I've come to understand that we're base f*cking amateurs compared to some.
 
2011-01-30 10:15:48 PM  

Valentine Greatraks: If a private citizen made that kind of FOIA request it would

1) be refused as overly broad and not related to a central function of the agency -- tracking who asks for what is not what an agency does on a day-to-day basis

2) incredibly expensive because the law allows reasonable charges for gathering and reproducing information

so my question is this: Will these agencies that rely on Congress for funding refuse his request or charge his office for the cost?


He isn't making a FOIA request, he's acting in his capacity as Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

The agencies will neither refuse his request nor charge his office anything. They'll pony up what he asks, because that is their job.
 
2011-01-30 10:17:59 PM  

Lorelle: It's the same Asshat who was responsible for making Ahnold governor of CA.


You have to admit, though, Ahhnold being governor was hilarious to those of us outside of California... like you couldn't write that shiat.
 
2011-01-30 10:21:40 PM  
It's in the 'Who Wants to Know?' clause, right after the 'Yeah?, You and what army?' article.
 
2011-01-30 10:21:58 PM  

JuggleGeek: I remember when Fark used to not greenlight links to websites where you had to have an account to read the article.

/DNRTFA.


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Republican Congressman Proposes Tracking Freedom of Information Act RequestsBy ERIC LIPTON
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.Mr. Issa, a California Republican and the new chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, says he wants to make sure agencies respond in a timely fashion to Freedom of Information Act requests and do not delay them out of political considerations.

But his extraordinary request worries some civil libertarians. It "just seems sort of creepy that one person in the government could track who is looking into what and what kinds of questions they are asking," said David Cuillier, a University of Arizona journalism professor and chairman of the Freedom of Information Committee at the Society of Professional Journalists. "It is an easy way to target people who he might think are up to no good."

Mr. Issa sent a letter on Tuesday asking 180 federal agencies, from the Department of Defense to the Social Security Administration, for electronic files containing the names of people who requested the documents, the date of their requests and a description of information they sought. For those still pending after more than 45 days, he also asked for any communication between the requestor and the federal agency. The request covers the final three years of Bush administration and the first two years of President Obama's.

"Our interest is not in the private citizens who make the requests," said Kurt Bardella, a spokesman for Mr. Issa. "We are looking at government responses to these Freedom of Information requests and the only way to measure that is to tally all that information."

Yearly, the federal government receives about 600,000 FOIA requests, as they are called, a vast majority from corporate executives seeking information on competitors that might do business with the government. A much smaller number comes from civil libertarians, private citizens, whistle-blowers or journalists seeking information on otherwise secret government operations.

Federal agencies typically keep logsof these requests, and some even post them on their Internet sites. But officials often remove the names of private citizens when releasing the logs to protect their privacy.

Professor Cuillier said that while Mr. Issa's objectives might be admirable, his request was not practical. The congressman asked the agencies to respond by mid-February, but a comprehensive response could take months, delaying other pending requests.

The Obama administration has tried to improve the FOIA process, with agencies told within days of his inauguration that they should "adopt a presumption in favor of disclosure."

But civil liberties groups complain that not all agencies are honoring this order. The Department of Homeland Security, for example, delayed some responses last year after it required career staff members to notify political appointees about inquiries submitted by certain news organizations and by a privacy group that has opposed the use of full-body scanners at airports.

A staff member on Mr. Issa's committee said the congressman's interest in the documents issue was spurred by such complaints. John Verdi, a senior counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center, whose FOIA requests last year to the Homeland Security Department were subjected to political review, said he welcomed Mr. Issa's inquiry. Federal law allows information to be withheld only for specific legal reasons.

But Mr. Verdi was uncomfortable with the idea of any single government entity having a list of every person who has made a FOIA request. "This is data that could be used to track who the biggest gadfly is," he said.

Mr. Bardella said the oversight committee frequently received important information, like mortgage documents or corporate records, and was able to review them without compromising anyone's privacy. It could be hard to check, though. Congress excluded itself from the Freedom of Information Act.
 
2011-01-30 10:22:44 PM  

Marine1: Lorelle: It's the same Asshat who was responsible for making Ahnold governor of CA.

You have to admit, though, Ahhnold being governor was hilarious to those of us outside of California... like you couldn't write that shiat.


He wasn't all that bad, really. I'm a lefty, too. Like someone stated above, he could have been soooo much worse. Took some serious stands on pollution in the state...not to be expected from a right winger.
 
2011-01-30 10:24:20 PM  

kilgorn: So, some seem to like FOIA, unless it involves them...


Come on....nobody is going to explain why the names of those who make Freedom of Information Act requests should be kept secret? That should be easy!
 
2011-01-30 10:24:20 PM  
For a nominal fee I will act as a straw man to make FOIA requests on behalf of those members of the public that value their privacy.
 
2011-01-30 10:25:58 PM  

dholway: kilgorn: So, some seem to like FOIA, unless it involves them...

Come on....nobody is going to explain why the names of those who make Freedom of Information Act requests should be kept secret? That should be easy!


Republicans also make FOIA requests?
 
2011-01-30 10:26:03 PM  

Lithanus: HelloMyNameIs: ZAZ: I made an FOIA request for some records and included was a copy of my previous FOIA request. Correspondence with the government is a public record. I also saw somebody else's file where half the contents was the response to a previous request for the contents, a cover letter plus a set of copies. You can cause the file to grow exponentially this way because every response includes all previous responses.

Pretty much this. If you ask for a public record, your request becomes public record. Does this loser not grasp the concept?

Its a republican wanting the information, therefore it is evil, wrong, and evil. Oh, did I mention evil. Because its a republican. See, its self-explanatory.


It seems like it is a republican wanting to intimidate other people requesting information. At least that's the common sense intepretation.
 
2011-01-30 10:26:29 PM  
FTA: It could be hard to check, though. Congress excluded itself from the Freedom of Information Act.

Of course Darrel, you knew that right? Nice of you to vote yourselves privace and exclude yourselves from a conscience. Not just you, to be fair.
 
2011-01-30 10:27:48 PM  
Lithanus:

Cuz those things never happen in a northern state, like Illinois or New York. They don't happen and never have.


Yeah, but remember that we had Jesse Helms in NC for years. We had a double helping of cronyism and shady deals. I never met a single person that admitted to voting for him, but he won every election.
 
2011-01-30 10:31:38 PM  
Don't ask too many questions, citizen.
 
2011-01-30 10:33:09 PM  
So out of his concern for the timeliness of FOIA response, he's making a request which, if honored, would severely burden the resources of that same agency? Yeah that sounds right.
 
2011-01-30 10:35:52 PM  
"It's not authoritarianism when WE do it!"
 
2011-01-30 10:37:11 PM  
I don't like this guy. Seems like a real creep. Reminds me of the second coming of Roy Cohn.
 
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