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2011-01-30 09:28:01 AM
Dec 28 2009

timely advice
 
2011-01-30 09:39:34 AM
A job that allows kilts to be worn is good.

P@nts are icky.
 
2011-01-30 09:42:13 AM
And even that depends.

I worked for an internet start up that was bought out by a large company (we did massive GIS apps, things like that). Once we were bought out, there were dress requirements that even included required make up for women.

American businesses have become more relaxed in some ways (fewer require suits) but more conservative in others (fairly restrictive dress codes). And I live in a fairly liberal city.
 
2011-01-30 09:45:27 AM
Or you could look into healthcare. I wouldn't trade my comfy scrubs for all the classy outfits in the world.
 
2011-01-30 09:47:28 AM
6. Legs wide open, arms stretched out, taking up lots of space.

...really?
 
2011-01-30 09:57:44 AM
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2011-01-30 10:03:56 AM
For the most of the week, my company is business casual. Then, a colleague came up with "dress up Thursday" where dresses for women and ties for men are suggested, but not a requirement. However, many come dressed to kill and senior management has taken notice, often scheduling clients to come on Thursdays.
 
2011-01-30 10:09:16 AM
I think the dress code at work, generally, has relaxed considerably in the past ten years. I work in a profession that, at one time, required really formal business attire at all times; suits for both males and females, jackets on at all times. Now, I go to work in black jeans and sweaters. (Same profession). The only people who dress up are first-time clients.
 
2011-01-30 10:11:59 AM
wide_eyed: Or you could look into healthcare. I wouldn't trade my comfy scrubs for all the classy outfits in the world.

Came here to say this. It's great to have a job where comfy shoes are expected as well.
 
2011-01-30 10:12:41 AM
wide_eyed: Or you could look into healthcare. I wouldn't trade my comfy scrubs for all the classy outfits in the world.

Work in my PJ's? Hell yeah.
 
2011-01-30 10:22:38 AM
On my first day on the job (current job) I asked about the dress code. I was told, "Dress code? Don't come to work naked." And I've done my best to adhere to the policy.
 
2011-01-30 10:24:11 AM
Work went into an uproar when they started introducing us to a 'smart casual' dress requirement. You'd think the couple years of no bonuses, promotion freezes and termination of their friends and in some cases family would upset them. But no, it's a dress code that requires you to look somewhat decent when you aren't in scrubs that caused dissent.
 
2011-01-30 10:26:44 AM
I love my job, as long as I show up the boss couldn't care less what I wear as long as I don't frighten the receptionist on the way in.

/seriously Becky I didn't know that hole was that high or that ole timmy had decided to uncoil out it.
 
2011-01-30 10:32:31 AM
Why is it such a problem for you retards to wear nice cloths?
 
2011-01-30 10:33:29 AM
In my field of audiology, looking professional is a must. My patients would have no confidence in my degrees and experience if I had long hair, 3-day stubble and cargo shorts.

Though I can get away with dockers and a solid-color golf shirt if I wear the white lab coat over it.

It's just the way it is, I accepted it when I was still in college, and I cut my hair.
 
2011-01-30 10:41:20 AM
The consulting firm I work for is known all over D.C. as "the guys in the suits." Everyone is expected to "look client-ready at all times." People think of my particular work team as being "sort of casual" because we sometimes wear sweaters or sport coats instead of suit jackets, and a couple of our guys will sometimes not wear ties.

When I first came here from teaching, I found it really intimidating and a little uncomfortable. Now that I've spent some time with it, though, I've found that there's a level of confidence that comes with a really good suit. These days I like coming to work looking good.
 
2011-01-30 10:43:17 AM
The worst is places that require pantyhose. The waistband on those things is always way too small. Having some nylon torture device try to sever my torso in two all day long sure makes me more productive!
 
2011-01-30 10:43:32 AM
"NO Pants, NO Shoes, NO Problem!"
 
2011-01-30 10:46:07 AM
What good are accomplishments if you can't get laid?
 
2011-01-30 10:47:49 AM
wide_eyed: Or you could look into healthcare. I wouldn't trade my comfy scrubs for all the classy outfits in the world.

tell us more. with these priorities, visions of emptying bedpans, being surrounded by people who are scared and suffering while egomaniacal doctors bark orders at me like i'm a monkey don't come to mind. dental hygienist? x ray tech?
 
2011-01-30 10:52:00 AM
I like being able to come to work in jeans and a Polo or button up. Sure, I'll break out the Dockers for a meeting or something, but dressing up too much makes me look stiff and stand out. Education is a bit more casual like that.

However, for other jobs I've had I wish I could afford a few good suits. When they pay you like crap, though, it makes it hard to afford to look nice.
 
2011-01-30 10:52:35 AM
Bohemian: The worst is places that require pantyhose.

Are they specific about exactly HOW you wear the panty hose?

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2011-01-30 10:55:04 AM
If you want to be a lazy, greasy pig, go work in computers. That was easy.
 
2011-01-30 11:00:35 AM
dave1y: If you want to be a lazy affluent, greasy pig, go work in computers. That was easy.

You wouldn't last a day, meat.
 
2011-01-30 11:00:48 AM
The eye contact thing is weird. Direct eye contact is a threat posture in the animal kingdom, and outside of the Western world it isn't particularly common.

I've been told that people feel threatened if I maintain eye contact with them. And frankly, looking elsewhere when dealing with people is often quite revealing, people's work spaces and their surroundings can often tell me quite a lot about what the aren't telling me.

I have no formal credentials to do the work I do, yet I am well regarded as among the best in my region. I have trained numerous people who hold those very credentials HR seems to want since they really don't know anything.

My knowledge, skill, and expertise are what is important. And my reputation often precedes me.

So those who want to ignore me because my eyes see everything around us while they lie to me, because I cross my arms because I have a tendency to either fidget or work while talking to people, or because I don't grin like a simpleton because I've just never been much on smiling for smiling's sake, are free to do so. They can get someone less qualified and pay twice the cost for the privilege.

And one other thing, AOL is still around?
 
2011-01-30 11:01:12 AM
It's so true about I.T. and technology jobs. You can pretty much wear what you want. My normal attire is a t-shirt, jeans and sneakers on a daily basis. Yet I make more than some shirt and tie folks.
 
2011-01-30 11:02:12 AM
mikdeetx: For the most of the week, my company is business casual. Then, a colleague came up with "dress up Thursday" where dresses for women and ties for men are suggested, but not a requirement. However, many come dressed to kill and senior management has taken notice, often scheduling clients to come on Thursdays.

Your collegue screwed you. It won't be long before the dressing up is mandatory, and soon you'll need to dress up because an important client is coming in on Tuesday and he's only seen you guys on Thursday. You're on track to be business professional every day. Although they will let you go nice business casual on Friday and act like they are being generous.
 
2011-01-30 11:02:25 AM
Heh, I'm going to work in the manufacturing side of things. I NEVER HAVE TO WEAR A TIE AGAIN!

/bwahahahaaa.
//haahaa.
///ha
//you all look like idiots with those nooses wrapped around your neck.
 
2011-01-30 11:04:59 AM
Veteran of the Cola Wars: A job that allows kilts to be worn is good.

P@nts are icky.


Heh.

Previous computer repair job...so many decades years ago...

Young man cut off his long locks to interview with us.

As the supervisor in my area - the area that hired all the new peeps and decided to keep or rid the company of them - I was part of the interview/hire team.

And I noticed the hair had been newly cut. So I took him on a tour and pointed out Bill's waist-length hair.

"I wish I could grow hair like that." I said.

And he sighed.

I teased him about cutting his hair. We were a good company in those early years. Works not looks. Not so pathetically correct.
 
2011-01-30 11:06:02 AM
Je5tEr: I have no formal credentials to do the work I do, yet I am well regarded as among the best in my region. I have trained numerous people who hold those very credentials HR seems to want since they really don't know anything.

My knowledge, skill, and expertise are what is important. And my reputation often precedes me.

So those who want to ignore me because my eyes see everything around us while they lie to me, because I cross my arms because I have a tendency to either fidget or work while talking to people, or because I don't grin like a simpleton because I've just never been much on smiling for smiling's sake, are free to do so. They can get someone less qualified and pay twice the cost for the privilege.


And all the wine is all for you
And all the wine is all for you
And all the wine is all for you
 
2011-01-30 11:08:27 AM
Nursing.

Scrubs are beyond awesome!!
 
2011-01-30 11:18:35 AM
Honest Bender: On my first day on the job (current job) I asked about the dress code. I was told, "Dress code? Don't come to work naked." And I've done my best to adhere to the policy.

That's actually the official dress code of my company. The head of my entire division is usually found wandering the halls barefoot in jeans and a T-shirt.
 
2011-01-30 11:21:01 AM
I like the freedom to go as casual as jeans and converse. Our IT dept. is a casual environment. Management wears the suits, us peons get to be comfortable as we put out the fires.
 
2011-01-30 11:25:49 AM
Je5tEr: I've been told that people feel threatened if I maintain eye contact with them.

This means you've never learned the difference between making confident eye contact and staring creepily.
 
2011-01-30 11:28:44 AM
"If you'd rather that people focus more on your accomplishments than your lack of clothes, look to careers that are notable for their casual nature, like computer and Internet-oriented jobs."

Much better.

/ telecommutes, can't code worth a damn without my bunny slippers.
 
2011-01-30 11:32:52 AM
When I was training to be a teacher they told us that the dress code was "don't show the 4 B's." No boobs, no backs, no bellies, no butts. Other than that, anything goes. I usually wear jeans and a nice top because I teach kindergarten and have to be at their level a lot.
 
2011-01-30 11:33:03 AM
Airfoilsguy: Why is it such a problem for you retards to wear nice cloths?

Why is it such a problem for you to spell clothes?
 
2011-01-30 11:34:03 AM
Je5tEr: The eye contact thing is weird. Direct eye contact is a threat posture in the animal kingdom, and outside of the Western world it isn't particularly common.

I've been told that people feel threatened if I maintain eye contact with them. And frankly, looking elsewhere when dealing with people is often quite revealing, people's work spaces and their surroundings can often tell me quite a lot about what the aren't telling me.

I have no formal credentials to do the work I do, yet I am well regarded as among the best in my region. I have trained numerous people who hold those very credentials HR seems to want since they really don't know anything.

My knowledge, skill, and expertise are what is important. And my reputation often precedes me.

So those who want to ignore me because my eyes see everything around us while they lie to me, because I cross my arms because I have a tendency to either fidget or work while talking to people, or because I don't grin like a simpleton because I've just never been much on smiling for smiling's sake, are free to do so. They can get someone less qualified and pay twice the cost for the privilege.

And one other thing, AOL is still around?


The people that feel threatened around you may be on to something. There's a big serial killer vibe to your writing.
 
2011-01-30 11:43:23 AM
Sum Dum Gai: Honest Bender: On my first day on the job (current job) I asked about the dress code. I was told, "Dress code? Don't come to work naked." And I've done my best to adhere to the policy.

That's actually the official dress code of my company. The head of my entire division is usually found wandering the halls barefoot in jeans and a T-shirt.


That's about how we are too.
 
2011-01-30 11:46:18 AM
Airfoilsguy: Why is it such a problem for you retards to wear nice cloths?

Why is dressing like a retard so important for you masochists?
 
2011-01-30 11:49:58 AM
I would love to dress up for work. I like looking good, and it makes me feel good! However, they don't pay me enough for me to afford nice clothes. They also expect me to wear dress shoes and be on my feet all day. That's a winning combination.
 
2011-01-30 11:50:42 AM
savage henry: Je5tEr: The eye contact thing is weird. Direct eye contact is a threat posture in the animal kingdom, and outside of the Western world it isn't particularly common.

I've been told that people feel threatened if I maintain eye contact with them. And frankly, looking elsewhere when dealing with people is often quite revealing, people's work spaces and their surroundings can often tell me quite a lot about what the aren't telling me.

I have no formal credentials to do the work I do, yet I am well regarded as among the best in my region. I have trained numerous people who hold those very credentials HR seems to want since they really don't know anything.

My knowledge, skill, and expertise are what is important. And my reputation often precedes me.

So those who want to ignore me because my eyes see everything around us while they lie to me, because I cross my arms because I have a tendency to either fidget or work while talking to people, or because I don't grin like a simpleton because I've just never been much on smiling for smiling's sake, are free to do so. They can get someone less qualified and pay twice the cost for the privilege.

And one other thing, AOL is still around?

The people that feel threatened around you may be on to something. There's a big serial killer vibe to your writing.


Whatever you say, but I haven't actually needed to interview for a job in over 15 years (and I've usually finished the job and trained up the replacement staff inside a years time). Someone who knows my reputation just says "let's get this guy". A few phone calls get made, I get shown the operation, then I go in and get to work.

Then again I also have zero qualms with saying "No" or telling people they are flat out wrong, so I guess that could be intimidating.
 
2011-01-30 11:55:06 AM
Honest Bender: ...I was told, "Dress code? Don't come to work naked."

What people going to work not naked might look like.

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www.mariobucolo.com
 
2011-01-30 11:56:43 AM
SchlingFocker: Je5tEr: I've been told that people feel threatened if I maintain eye contact with them.

This means you've never learned the difference between making confident eye contact and staring creepily.


Meh, humans are animals. None of my friends and family are threatened by me, neither are kids for that matter. Maybe other people are just spineless pansies, I dunno.

I don't control other people's reactions.

The other thing to remember is that when I'm in a situation that generally would call for me to maintain eye contact (which is usually only ever in business) I can almost guarantee you that the person I'm speaking with will be lying to me, intentionally or not. And I know it and often call them on it.
 
2011-01-30 12:33:49 PM
Airfoilsguy: Why is it such a problem for you retards to wear nice cloths?

We spend all our energy on spell check.

Seriously though, at least in my case, it's because I don't really give a fark what other people think of me. I realize that causes a problem in the traditional working world, because people generally get angry when they realize you don't give a fark what they think. So I don't participate in the traditional working world.

The wife is about the only person I see more than once a month, and all she cares about is that I keep in shape and bathe regularly. She is un-phased by my plaid and camouflage ensembles.
 
2011-01-30 12:40:46 PM
I work outdoors, nobody gives a fark what I wear. Plus I have really nice outdoor clothes. There is nothing better than going out on a crappy day and knowing that you're dressed for it.

/no, it doesn't all say North Face on it. That's for latte-sippers.
 
2011-01-30 12:49:59 PM
Academia. A cheap suit for interviews/conferences, but otherwise it's wear-what-you-want.
 
2011-01-30 12:50:51 PM
Jeans and T-shirts in the brewery. they give us logo'd T-shirts not so much as a uniform, but more so we don't much up our street clothes. They also provide us with the big rubber boots. These boots are purpose built for the industry, light weight and very comfortable.

We got one guy however that wears brewers overalls. We call him "Onesey"

/what's wrong with tuxedo tuesday?
 
2011-01-30 01:21:57 PM
Why must everyone hate on sweat pants?
 
2011-01-30 01:35:02 PM
Truly slovenly behavior is as common in other professions as in computing, because it's caused by emotional problems or alcoholism. Seeing other people's clothing as apathetic or slovenly because you would feel ashamed to dress that way yourself is just poor people-reading. Most people who see computers folks as slovenly are just folks who see clothing as a way of advertising a lower bound on your income and think everyone's goal should be to advertise a lower bound as close as possible to their real income, or higher if possible. Sadly, many of them think they are "people persons" and seek jobs that demand people skills despite their incompetence at understanding other people's values and priorities.
 
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