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2011-01-30 09:28:39 AM  
Two problems with his hystrionics. First this wouldn't be a problem only with iPhones. Next I don't think the idea was to let the phone company do the credit processing. Just to use the network to transport the data to the processing agency.
 
2011-01-30 09:38:45 AM  
let AT&T handle all your money for you, and see how that works out in the end

They do this in Europe and it works out just fine. The only difference is that in Europe the phone companies aren't allowed to bribe the legislators, and the legislators look out for ordinary people, kind of the exact opposite situation as we have here in the USA.
 
2011-01-30 09:43:02 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: let AT&T handle all your money for you, and see how that works out in the end

They do this in Europe and it works out just fine. The only difference is that in Europe the phone companies aren't allowed to bribe the legislators, and the legislators look out for ordinary people, kind of the exact opposite situation as we have here in the USA.


Europe runs on bribery, what planet are you from?
 
2011-01-30 10:13:55 AM  

R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: let AT&T handle all your money for you, and see how that works out in the end

They do this in Europe and it works out just fine. The only difference is that in Europe the phone companies aren't allowed to bribe the legislators, and the legislators look out for ordinary people, kind of the exact opposite situation as we have here in the USA.

Europe runs on bribery, what planet are you from?


They use a romantic French term, so it's not really bribery.
 
2011-01-30 11:20:28 AM  

Snarfangel: R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: let AT&T handle all your money for you, and see how that works out in the end

They do this in Europe and it works out just fine. The only difference is that in Europe the phone companies aren't allowed to bribe the legislators, and the legislators look out for ordinary people, kind of the exact opposite situation as we have here in the USA.

Europe runs on bribery, what planet are you from?

They use a romantic French term, so it's not really bribery.


That woks as long as they don't screw over the Germans.
 
2011-01-30 11:42:19 AM  
If you bought an iPhone, you already got screwed over. This is just a second third fourth fifth helping.
 
2011-01-30 11:51:47 AM  
I suspect they're trying to catch up with phones in other parts of the world that already do this (the fact that iPhone doesn't is mark against it in those markets).

Either way though, you don't HAVE to use the thing, do ya?
 
2011-01-30 12:01:24 PM  
common.ziffdavisinternet.com


laist.com
 
2011-01-30 12:32:35 PM  
The PAN, spurred on by Bluetooth, would allow you to walk down the street and be told about sales, bargains, events and other nonsense from nearby stores and museums. You'd walk into Walmart and your name would be displayed a computerized sign to greet you as an old man pointed at the sign and then pointed at you in some creepy manner.

www.gearfuse.com

"Hello Mr. Yukkamoto and welcome back to the GAP!"
 
2011-01-30 12:59:02 PM  
God, is Dvorak still being an Apple-bashing attention whore after all these years? What a dufus!
 
2011-01-30 01:05:19 PM  

lilbjorn: God, is Dvorak still being an Apple-bashing attention whore after all these years? What a dufus!


Apple-hate aside, I still give him credit for his awesome keyboard.
 
2011-01-30 01:10:42 PM  
Can't stand JCD, I'll skip TWiT episodes when he's on.
 
2011-01-30 01:12:36 PM  
The author of TFA raises a pretty damn good point, why the hell isn't bluetooth PERFECT for this NFC shiat? IT seems exactly the same in many practical regards, I can't imagine why one couldn't use bluetooth for the same purpose. Bluetooth drivers on phones such though, whats with this "no actual keyboard support" bullshiat?

/yeah I know there's like one keyboard it supports
//Not nearly enough
 
2011-01-30 01:14:55 PM  
I used to think Dvorak was pretty good.

Then, a few years ago I read one of his columns and wondered when he became
a cranky old man.
 
2011-01-30 01:27:49 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I used to think Dvorak was pretty good.

Then, a few years ago I read one of his columns and wondered when he became
a cranky old man.


1983?
 
2011-01-30 01:42:31 PM  

Lamune_Baba: lilbjorn: God, is Dvorak still being an Apple-bashing attention whore after all these years? What a dufus!

Apple-hate aside, I still give him credit for his awesome keyboard.


LOL

No matter what your take is on Apple, Dvorak is just a media hungry douche.
 
2011-01-30 01:50:09 PM  
Also doesn't the Samsung Nexus S have NFC capabilities already? Why doesn't he pick on that? Oh that's right, he's still a douche.

Personally I think they should route transactions through a credit/debt account of your choice. Why route it through the phone company? Oh, new revenue source? New revenue source.....
 
2011-01-30 01:51:17 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: They do this in Europe and it works out just fine. The only difference is that in Europe the phone companies aren't allowed to bribe the legislators, and the legislators look out for ordinary people, kind of the exact opposite situation as we have here in the USA.


i224.photobucket.com
 
2011-01-30 02:02:30 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I used to think Dvorak was pretty good.

Then, a few years ago I read one of his columns and wondered when he became
a cranky old man.


He is the Andy Rooney of the tech world.
 
2011-01-30 02:05:43 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I used to think Dvorak was pretty good.

Then, a few years ago I read one of his columns and wondered when he became
a cranky old man.


It's that damned keyboard of his.
 
2011-01-30 02:07:04 PM  
If the first words of an article are "There has been a lot of talk ..." you are safe in skipping the rest of the words.
 
2011-01-30 02:12:56 PM  
Famous tech journalist leaps back into time machine, arrives back in 2007 with breathless news that he still inexplicably has a job as a tech journalist in 2011.
 
2011-01-30 02:19:55 PM  
So he recycles an old column, and gets paid for it again. Brilliant!

But watch out for the phone police, man!

i306.photobucket.com
 
2011-01-30 02:22:01 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I used to think Dvorak was pretty good.

Then, a few years ago I read one of his columns and wondered when he became
a cranky old man.


Being cranky is his thing, and he admits it. He even did a video podcast that he named Cranky Geeks for a few years. It can get annoying sometimes, and he's often way off, but I find it a great antidote to the constant hype about how some new technology or website will be the BEST THING EVER.
 
2011-01-30 03:10:11 PM  
Basically he is biatching about the iPhone getting a feature that is already on many other phones, but isn't very common yet in the US. The level of Apple hate in that article is highly amusing.
 
2011-01-30 03:18:32 PM  
Oh, please. The iPhone (and really most phones) are so locked down that they're pretty damn hard to hack into by a third party. And that's what would have to happen for this to be dangerous.

I'm pretty damn sure if a phone can act as a credit card, there will be a "OK/Cancel" and "Are you sure?" alert coded deep into the core of the OS.
 
2011-01-30 04:00:24 PM  
This guy complains about how "PAN came and faded in the mid 90's but now it's coming back from the grave"

Bullfeathers. If you noted Kurzweil's observations about technological trends you'd remember there's normally about a 15-20 year gap between when the idea is first planted and the public notices it.

[Segment redacted due to possible patent idea]

And security issues are security issues. Criminals out pace think tanks on ways to subvert security because there's a financial reward. At least the ones stealing your personal data are wimps, Lead Pipe Hacking is always an option for getting your personal data.
 
2011-01-30 04:07:28 PM  
I'm immediately reminded of the online scams that took place during the modem era of communications. You'd be given a number to call, and it would actually be some sort of scam. The local number would connect to a BBS of some sort which would send a code back to the modem to turn off the speaker, so you couldn't hear the modem disconnect and then redial a number in Bulgaria or some obscure island. You'd then be connected to a phone service that charged $100/minute for the connection. After racking up thousands and thousand of dollars in phone costs, you'd get the bill from your phone company for $30,000.

Really? He thinks that is how it worked? Really?
 
2011-01-30 04:17:26 PM  

davidphogan: I'm immediately reminded of the online scams that took place during the modem era of communications. You'd be given a number to call, and it would actually be some sort of scam. The local number would connect to a BBS of some sort which would send a code back to the modem to turn off the speaker, so you couldn't hear the modem disconnect and then redial a number in Bulgaria or some obscure island. You'd then be connected to a phone service that charged $100/minute for the connection. After racking up thousands and thousand of dollars in phone costs, you'd get the bill from your phone company for $30,000.

Really? He thinks that is how it worked? Really?


I'm no expert at all- but I was thinking the same thing. Once it disconnects, you can't really control it anymore. And I doubt there are modem codes that tell it to "turn off the speaker, get off the line with me, and dial this number when you're done."
 
2011-01-30 04:21:24 PM  

downstairs: And I doubt there are modem codes that tell it to "turn off the speaker, get off the line with me, and dial this number when you're done."


Be glad you aren't using dialup modems anymore.
 
2011-01-30 04:24:38 PM  
Dvorak is to tech prognostication as Sylvia Brown is to tech prognostication.
 
2011-01-30 04:29:56 PM  

GoodyearPimp: downstairs: And I doubt there are modem codes that tell it to "turn off the speaker, get off the line with me, and dial this number when you're done."

Be glad you aren't using dialup modems anymore.


Every modem I had reset itself after an ATH0.
 
2011-01-30 05:02:37 PM  
Wow. Apparently this guy is a working tech writer, and yet normally you have to spend 20 or 30 years in a substandard retirement home to be that grumpy.

I have no idea if there's anything to his theory about... actually, I can't really tell what it's about. My real question is, is this the same guy who invented the Dvorak keyboard back in the early 20th century? That would explain the crankiness and the "EVERY TECHNOLOGY IS EITHER BROKEN OR EVIL" vibe. Let it go, man.
 
2011-01-30 05:07:28 PM  
...actually, no sooner had I posted that than I thought, "Well, maybe it's not fair to judge him based on one column."

More John C. Dvorak:
• Microsoft Phone 7 Is Dead in the Water
• iPhone Users Are About to Be Screwed Over
• Why American Students Fail in Science
• Tracking Should Be Abolished
• Apple Bowls Over Pre-Announcement Curse


Yyyeah. Somebody get grampa his special calm-down pills.
 
2011-01-30 06:00:16 PM  

semiotix: Wow. Apparently this guy is a working tech writer, and yet normally you have to spend 20 or 30 years in a substandard retirement home to be that grumpy.

I have no idea if there's anything to his theory about... actually, I can't really tell what it's about. My real question is, is this the same guy who invented the Dvorak keyboard back in the early 20th century? That would explain the crankiness and the "EVERY TECHNOLOGY IS EITHER BROKEN OR EVIL" vibe. Let it go, man.


No, it's not the same Dvorak. But it's hilarious when people talk to him like he was the inventor.
 
2011-01-30 06:06:19 PM  
I feel Bluetooth is not exploited enough. Damn shame.
 
2011-01-30 08:01:13 PM  
Apple users are very defensive, I read that and though he was bashing TelCos.
 
2011-01-30 08:23:26 PM  

downstairs: davidphogan: I'm immediately reminded of the online scams that took place during the modem era of communications. You'd be given a number to call, and it would actually be some sort of scam. The local number would connect to a BBS of some sort which would send a code back to the modem to turn off the speaker, so you couldn't hear the modem disconnect and then redial a number in Bulgaria or some obscure island. You'd then be connected to a phone service that charged $100/minute for the connection. After racking up thousands and thousand of dollars in phone costs, you'd get the bill from your phone company for $30,000.

Really? He thinks that is how it worked? Really?

I'm no expert at all- but I was thinking the same thing. Once it disconnects, you can't really control it anymore. And I doubt there are modem codes that tell it to "turn off the speaker, get off the line with me, and dial this number when you're done."


That's not exactly how it works, but it's close enough. I dealt with a number of dialer modification programs when I was doing tech support for BellSouth, and they were usually porn-related.

A common method was for a downloaded program to set up a new dial-up connection and then mark it as the default connection. Any time you tried to connect, the modem would dial through this new connection icon. In the most common cases, it was connecting the user to a porn BBS. They were getting all the porn they wanted, for FREE!*

* They weren't getting charged for the porn, but those 900-number charges really accumulate fast.

It would usually be noticed by the customer when they tried to use the internet for any other purpose, like the wife** logging on to check email and getting nothing but porn, or the husband** calling in a panic when he realized he couldn't get anything but porn. Most of the time, it didn't even make it to the next phone bill, because who doesn't check their email after they've finished jerking off?

** Not meaning to be "sexist", but that's how it was on most "get this porn off my computer" calls.
Either the wife was pissed or the husband was frantic.

I doubt many people saw a $30k phone bill (though I did see a $2k bill one time). Even if they did, it's not the phone company's fault that they billed you for phone calls that you actually made. They can't actually tell if your computer is doing something you don't want it to do.

So the author is guilty of an overindulgence in hyperbole and a "blame the messenger" complex, but the essence of the statement is true.
 
2011-01-30 08:55:22 PM  

Jgok: So the author is guilty of an overindulgence in hyperbole and a "blame the messenger" complex, but the essence of the statement is true.


Other than he made up the method of attack completely. He's a tech writer, not Ric Romero.
 
2011-01-30 09:13:52 PM  

davidphogan: I'm immediately reminded of the online scams that took place during the modem era of communications. You'd be given a number to call, and it would actually be some sort of scam. The local number would connect to a BBS of some sort which would send a code back to the modem to turn off the speaker, so you couldn't hear the modem disconnect and then redial a number in Bulgaria or some obscure island. You'd then be connected to a phone service that charged $100/minute for the connection. After racking up thousands and thousand of dollars in phone costs, you'd get the bill from your phone company for $30,000.

Really? He thinks that is how it worked? Really?


Came here to mention this. This guy sounds like he needs more tinfoil. Modems did not work like that. You are the only one that can send it AT commands, and then only when you're not connected to anything. He seems to be confusing things with those internet "dialers" or some shiat.

And this is the first I heard that this was supposed to go through your wireless carrier for payment. As far as I know it was designed to be processed the same way your debit or credit cards were -- by the same processor.

Senile, paranoid old columnist is senile, paranoid.
 
2011-01-30 10:51:18 PM  
Anything short of sucking Apples cock is apple hate for you people. Get over yourselves douchebags.
 
2011-01-30 11:13:31 PM  

Saborlas: If you bought an iPhone, you already got screwed over. This is just a second third fourth fifth helping.


You sound poor
 
2011-01-31 11:51:34 AM  
let AT&T handle all your money for you, and see how that works out in the end

This gives me nightmare. After 6 months of trying with their customer service I was not able to get a $25 accounting error back that they made.
 
2011-01-31 11:52:47 AM  
Gaaaahhhhh!!!! I just bought one of everything at Best Buy, by accident!!!!!! Damn iPhone!!!!
 
2011-01-31 01:01:15 PM  
Yeah, and if you've nothing to do, you can go back and see the same famous but clueless tech journalist predict what a flop the iPhone would be and, not being able to learn or adapt, repeat the same predictions of doom about the iPad.

As has been noted above, his articles used to be interesting, but that was about a quarter century ago.
 
2011-01-31 02:11:14 PM  
It's that damned keyboard of his.

didn't Dvorak also write 'The New World Symphony'??
 
2011-01-31 07:38:29 PM  
JCD is one of the few adults in tech journalism.

/just sayin'
 
2011-01-31 08:51:06 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: JCD is one of the few adults in tech journalism.


In what manner? Chronological age?

Kinda takes the back seat to mental midgetry and juvenile trolling.
 
2011-02-01 03:35:19 AM  

cthellis: CigaretteSmokingMan: JCD is one of the few adults in tech journalism.

In what manner? Chronological age?


In the "adult community" sense?
 
2011-02-01 07:38:23 AM  
So he's a porn star?

*shudder*
 
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