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(The Nation)   7:30 pm in Egypt. Which way will the military go?   (thenation.com) divider line 380
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2011-01-29 02:23:54 PM
muck4doo: You are cute though, and he was just trying to flirt. I'm an old fart now at 41, but if I was 15 years younger i would be trying to flirt with you as well. Now, I like my women in their mid 30's. He didn't mean any harm.

Really?

Here's how you sound: Even though you've been talking about the article and the situation in Egypt you have a vagina and since my dick wants to get wet at every possible blah blah blah blah blah.

1. you have no idea how old I am. Even though it's painfully easy to figure out. Look at the handle and do the math.

2. I'm not here to pick up cock. Further no one who doesn't already know me even knows if I'm into cock. Or if cock is into me, rather.

3. Your mom.

4. FOr all you know, I am a dude. Just like the one operating as the alt Littleblondegarglecocks.
 
2011-01-29 02:24:36 PM
Sarcastica75:
If you want to keep it light in a heavy thread then post something funny.


Ok then.

2.bp.blogspot.com

/They're our puppets! You can't play with them!
 
2011-01-29 02:24:58 PM
Happy Hours: onestr8: I like that everyone on here is saying how great Al Jazeera is when they didn't even cover the first day of protest instead airing sports, a documentary about an Egyptian novelist and coverage of the Palestinian situation. Great job AJ!

Yeah, CNN is so much better. Like I said when I turned them on this morning I got Justin Beiber. Why is he news? Shouldn't he be relegated to the cover of Tiger Beat or something?


It's not news... it's...

COME ON, EVERYBODY.

SAY IT WITH ME.
 
2011-01-29 02:25:49 PM
muck4doo: Farker T: epoc_tnac: what_now: epoc_tnac: Huh, I guess the US thinks that they decide Egyptian military policy. I don't think they're really in a position to decide what's out of the question in another sovereign nation thousands of miles away.

No, but they do get to decide to cut off Egypt's allowance. 80% of which goes to the military.

That's a moot point in the middle of a revolution. Besides, the US has to buy off the Egyptian military because of Israel, so any threats against the military are basically powerless.


BLASPHEMER!!!

Sic-em, muck4doo!

He's stating an opinion, and that's fine. He's not trying to Jew jack the thread like you do wherever you post. Your obsession with trying to turn every thread you post in into a discussion about the Jews is what is farking annoying.



As I told you previously, muck4doo, I have scarcely mentioned the "J word" in any of these threads. When I have, it has been in the context of the "Jewish State".

I have repeatedly mentioned Israel and the influence her interests exert on the US' position on the events - a factor that I feel is being overlooked and MUST be considered in order to bring things into perspective.

If you dislike the idea of the word "Jew" being bandied about for the sake of political and argumentative posturing, I suggest that you place those that HAVE been using the word on your ignore list.

And as YOU, muck4doo, are among the worst offenders, I think that ignoring yourself would be a fine place to start.

Cheers!
 
2011-01-29 02:27:10 PM
Jamespoon: Al Jazeera briefly mentioned that one of the mummies targeted by looters was that of Tutankhamen.

Have these looters never even watched a single horror movie?
 
2011-01-29 02:27:19 PM
Sarcastica75: Happy Hours: onestr8: I like that everyone on here is saying how great Al Jazeera is when they didn't even cover the first day of protest instead airing sports, a documentary about an Egyptian novelist and coverage of the Palestinian situation. Great job AJ!

Yeah, CNN is so much better. Like I said when I turned them on this morning I got Justin Beiber. Why is he news? Shouldn't he be relegated to the cover of Tiger Beat or something?

It's not news... it's...

COME ON, EVERYBODY.

SAY IT WITH ME.


Cable News Network?
 
2011-01-29 02:27:51 PM
*whar* tatsuma.
whar.
 
2011-01-29 02:28:43 PM
Sarcastica75: muck4doo: You are cute though, and he was just trying to flirt. I'm an old fart now at 41, but if I was 15 years younger i would be trying to flirt with you as well. Now, I like my women in their mid 30's. He didn't mean any harm.

Really?

Here's how you sound: Even though you've been talking about the article and the situation in Egypt you have a vagina and since my dick wants to get wet at every possible blah blah blah blah blah.

1. you have no idea how old I am. Even though it's painfully easy to figure out. Look at the handle and do the math.

2. I'm not here to pick up cock. Further no one who doesn't already know me even knows if I'm into cock. Or if cock is into me, rather.

3. Your mom.

4. FOr all you know, I am a dude. Just like the one operating as the alt Littleblondegarglecocks.


Point taken.
 
2011-01-29 02:29:03 PM
SweetSilverBlues: Happy Hours: SweetSilverBlues: It's a shame that the museum has been looted, but do you really think the folks that built the pyramids would be pleased that their shiat is on display in a museum in the first place?

Considering they were all about immortality and leaving behind lasting legacies...yeah.

I suspect that if they knew their legacies would include being put in glass cases for the unwashed masses to gawk at they'd be just a little perturbed.

They'd probably consider The Luxor in Vegas as a more fitting tribute.

Just a guess.

I disagree. Most of them spent their entire lives planning sometimes massive structures that would commemorate their rule, massive structures that mainly the unwashed masses would see. Add to that the care most of these relics receive in their preservation and the education that surrounds them (just not, for the most part, in Egypt) also lends to the legacy they were so desperate to create.

Of course they would prefer grandiose to minimal, but who wouldn't? They wanted everyone and their brother to know about them, and putting them behind glass does that. Now, thousands of years later, we still know about them, their names and their accomplishments. Practical immortality.


Maybe, but I thought they believed in some sort of after-life. Isn't that why they needed all the crap they were entombed with?

I thought they were supposed to be partying it up and living the high life instead of remaining stationary and still quite dead in a museum.

I don't believe in an afterlife so I don't need a fancy gravestone or an urn with which to clutter some loved one's mantle. It would be nice if nobody flushes my ashes down a toilet though but other than that I don't have very many concerns about what happens to my body after I'm dead.
 
2011-01-29 02:29:33 PM
nekom: Sarcastica75:
Looters gonna loot.

Unfortunately, this. In ANY situation there will be those who will seize the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of others. This situation is no different. Human nature and all that.


Well, there is the small fact that the looters didn't take anything from the museum and destroyed what they could. They also "looted" a childrens hospital which resulted in the deaths of a 4 year old and a 7 year old. Strange behavior for "looters".
 
2011-01-29 02:29:38 PM
Sarcastica75: COME ON, EVERYBODY.

SAY IT WITH ME.


"Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina"
 
2011-01-29 02:29:44 PM
Happy Hours: pootsie: F
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Well if you're just going to post links to stupid songs at least try to have a little class.

Mr. Cairo - his friends (new window)


and you know what?
the cure is not stupid.
your FACE is stupid.

/since we seem to have derailed and gone full retard.
 
2011-01-29 02:29:47 PM
Sarcastica75: If you want to keep it light in a heavy thread then post something funny.

OK

images.cheezburger.com
 
2011-01-29 02:30:39 PM
Sarcastica75: *whar* tatsuma.
whar.


Probably putting diesel in his armored bulldozer for the retaking of the Sinai.

/It is like 10:30 on a Saturday night where he's at. . .
 
2011-01-29 02:30:54 PM
Bad_Seed: onestr8: I like that everyone on here is saying how great Al Jazeera is when they didn't even cover the first day of protest instead airing sports, a documentary about an Egyptian novelist and coverage of the Palestinian situation. Great job AJ!

Yeah, they were really on top of it. If you were watching Al Jazeera you missed crucial happenings. There coverage since has been good but they really lost some credibility by their failure to report.

Maybe you should understand what there was to be covered (and wasn't covered by AJ) before handing out any more journalism awards.

Maybe you could inform us of these crucial happenings which have not been covered. It's really annoying when people say "I know something you don't know", but then refuse to tell you what that is. I guess it's better to fell smug and superior than to actually inform people.


The happenings were covered by other organizations and have been reported after the fact. It's just that if you were relying on the great reporting of Al Jazeera, you didn't get the reports as they happened only a day or so later.

Happy Hours:
Don't care for CNNs coverage either. Sorry if I implied that. Must have multiple sources. Relying on one outlet is never the best idea - unless it's me or fark in general (yes, snark).
 
2011-01-29 02:30:59 PM
nekom: NemoD:
Apparently the 21st century "White Man's Burden" is "Brown people can't have democracy because they're too brown to make the right choices, so we need to install iron fist despots to keep them in line." The GOP, always on the wrong side of history.

To be fair, I'm not aware of any dictators actually installed by western governments. We do tend to back some of them because they are willing to play ball, but that's technically different.


He should have said "we install governments to allow us to suck up their lands resources so we dont have to use our own"
 
2011-01-29 02:31:02 PM
Sarcastica75: *whar* tatsuma.
whar.


Don't count on it
 
2011-01-29 02:31:25 PM
Farker T: muck4doo: Farker T: epoc_tnac: what_now: epoc_tnac: Huh, I guess the US thinks that they decide Egyptian military policy. I don't think they're really in a position to decide what's out of the question in another sovereign nation thousands of miles away.

No, but they do get to decide to cut off Egypt's allowance. 80% of which goes to the military.

That's a moot point in the middle of a revolution. Besides, the US has to buy off the Egyptian military because of Israel, so any threats against the military are basically powerless.


BLASPHEMER!!!

Sic-em, muck4doo!

He's stating an opinion, and that's fine. He's not trying to Jew jack the thread like you do wherever you post. Your obsession with trying to turn every thread you post in into a discussion about the Jews is what is farking annoying.


As I told you previously, muck4doo, I have scarcely mentioned the "J word" in any of these threads. When I have, it has been in the context of the "Jewish State".

I have repeatedly mentioned Israel and the influence her interests exert on the US' position on the events - a factor that I feel is being overlooked and MUST be considered in order to bring things into perspective.

If you dislike the idea of the word "Jew" being bandied about for the sake of political and argumentative posturing, I suggest that you place those that HAVE been using the word on your ignore list.

And as YOU, muck4doo, are among the worst offenders, I think that ignoring yourself would be a fine place to start.

Cheers!


Yeah, go have fun fighting kosher foods and talking about how the Jews poisoned the wells on another website, you douchebag.
 
2011-01-29 02:32:02 PM
shastacola: nekom: Sarcastica75:
Looters gonna loot.

Unfortunately, this. In ANY situation there will be those who will seize the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of others. This situation is no different. Human nature and all that.

Well, there is the small fact that the looters didn't take anything from the museum and destroyed what they could. They also "looted" a childrens hospital which resulted in the deaths of a 4 year old and a 7 year old. Strange behavior for "looters".


So what do you believe it is?
And are you going on gut feeling and speculation from what you are seeing or is someone reporting a differing viewpoint?

Is it the protesters?
Is it the government?
What?
 
2011-01-29 02:32:26 PM
Happy Hours: pootsie: F
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Well if you're just going to post links to stupid songs at least try to have a little class.

Mr. Cairo - his friends (new window)


If by "class" you mean CRAP, then yes, yes you do have it.
 
2011-01-29 02:33:11 PM
As former Reagan administration member KT McFarland said this morning, you don't support the Egyptian regime. One thing you don't see in this protest are people burning the US flag. Stand behind the regime and you make yet another Iran full of anti-American trash. Carter screwed up Iran by helping the people topple the Shaw and then did nothing to help them afterward and we ended up with what's there now.

We should stay out of it and when things change, be friendly to whatever takes hold there.
 
2011-01-29 02:33:12 PM
What dissapoints me is that so much of the posting on this thread reflects fark's need (especially on the politics tab) to treat events like this as a spectator sport. Let's spin this to show Obama/GOP/CNN/AJ or whoever sucks.

This is a painfully complex event and nobody really understands how it started, who (if anybody) is leading it or how far it will really go.

Better to observe, learn and share accurate information than spout your intellectually infantile political opinions.
 
2011-01-29 02:33:15 PM
what_now: Sarcastica75: If you want to keep it light in a heavy thread then post something funny.

OK


See? That's how I define "cute".

/and funny in this case.
 
2011-01-29 02:35:25 PM
IamKaiserSoze!!!: What dissapoints me is that so much of the posting on this thread reflects fark's need (especially on the politics tab) to treat events like this as a spectator sport. Let's spin this to show Obama/GOP/CNN/AJ or whoever sucks.

This is a painfully complex event and nobody really understands how it started, who (if anybody) is leading it or how far it will really go.

Better to observe, learn and share accurate information than spout your intellectually infantile political opinions.


You must be reading a different thread. I haven't really seen many here talking about Obama, Boehner, Palin, Hillary, Democrats, Republicans, Ron Paul, and crew.
 
2011-01-29 02:36:51 PM
muck4doo: talking about how the Jews poisoned the wells

we did? why did I not get the memo?

//puts down water jugs
 
2011-01-29 02:36:58 PM
 
2011-01-29 02:39:08 PM
what_now: Sarcastica75: *whar* tatsuma.
whar.


He doesn't roll on Shabbos.


If anyone prefers there revolution inspiringly edited and set to American pop music (new window)


Lame though it may be, I really dig that guy's short speech.
No one should ever be silenced.
And I fully acknowledge my bias as a bleeding heart.
 
2011-01-29 02:39:36 PM
I'm going by reports from Al Jazeera . There may be some real looting going on, but I ask you why looters wouldn't steal the relics in the museum to sell on the black market. The police have disappeared in Cairo, some looters have been found to be police officers. They are now reporting that police staff in Alexandria are supervising the looters. The police department disappears, the looting starts.
 
2011-01-29 02:39:55 PM
Excen: Sarcastica75: *whar* tatsuma.
whar.

Probably putting diesel in his armored bulldozer for the retaking of the Sinai.

/It is like 10:30 on a Saturday night where he's at. . .


NYC?

IamKaiserSoze!!!: What dissapoints me is that so much of the posting on this thread reflects fark's need (especially on the politics tab) to treat events like this as a spectator sport. Let's spin this to show Obama/GOP/CNN/AJ or whoever sucks.

This is a painfully complex event and nobody really understands how it started, who (if anybody) is leading it or how far it will really go.

Better to observe, learn and share accurate information than spout your intellectually infantile political opinions.


Are you reading the same thread I am?
 
2011-01-29 02:40:23 PM
Al Jazeera reporting that members of the Muslim Brotherhood have been arrested during the protests.
 
2011-01-29 02:41:04 PM
IamKaiserSoze!!!: What dissapoints me is that so much of the posting on this thread reflects fark's need (especially on the politics tab) to treat events like this as a spectator sport. Let's spin this to show Obama/GOP/CNN/AJ or whoever sucks.

This is a painfully complex event and nobody really understands how it started, who (if anybody) is leading it or how far it will really go.

Better to observe, learn and share accurate information than spout your intellectually infantile political opinions.


We are seeing the boiling-over of years (if not decades) of civil unrest caused by the lack of stability and growth of the economy due to the rampant societal corruption and nepotism encouraged by the Mubarak regime. It is a completely grassroots campaign, and appears to be largely non-violent on the part of the protesters.

Due to the social makeup of the protesters, the likely victor will be the Muslim Brotherhood political party, a far more religiously conservative position than the somewhat moderate Mubarak regime. What this means in a political sense, is that we could see elements of Sharia law enter into the Egyptian judicial landscape, replacing the corruption of patronage and bribery with another, albeit different, form of societal repression.
 
2011-01-29 02:41:28 PM
onestr8: The happenings were covered by other organizations and have been reported after the fact. It's just that if you were relying on the great reporting of Al Jazeera, you didn't get the reports as they happened only a day or so later.

Well, to be fair the real reason I didn't get the reports as they happened is because I've been drunk the past couple of days.

Happy Hours:
Don't care for CNNs coverage either. Sorry if I implied that. Must have multiple sources. Relying on one outlet is never the best idea - unless it's me or fark in general (yes, snark).


I don't think you implied CNN was good - that was just my own dislike of them. I haven't relied on a single source of news since sometimes in the '80s when I actually got to choose which newspaper to subscribe to.
 
2011-01-29 02:43:31 PM
Is there a prohibition against Fark linking to Al Jazeera?
 
2011-01-29 02:43:44 PM
What, no pictures of looty??? Really???
 
2011-01-29 02:44:07 PM
Excen: Due to the social makeup of the protesters, the likely victor will be the Muslim Brotherhood political party

What makes you think that? Everything I've seen points to them being a smaller factor in this protest.
 
2011-01-29 02:44:21 PM
Sarcastica75: Happy Hours: pootsie: F
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Well if you're just going to post links to stupid songs at least try to have a little class.

Mr. Cairo - his friends (new window)

and you know what?
the cure is not stupid.
your FACE is stupid.

/since we seem to have derailed and gone full retard.


Oh look! I've upset a Cure fan and he (or she) hates the song I linked to as well.

Do you see a pattern here?

I never liked the Cure but I never hated them. I do hate their fans though.

I won't feel bad if you tell me you hate me too. In fact, it's what I expect of you.
 
2011-01-29 02:45:32 PM
Obama supports terrorist regime..
 
2011-01-29 02:45:33 PM
shastacola: I'm going by reports from Al Jazeera . There may be some real looting going on, but I ask you why looters wouldn't steal the relics in the museum to sell on the black market. The police have disappeared in Cairo, some looters have been found to be police officers. They are now reporting that police staff in Alexandria are supervising the looters. The police department disappears, the looting starts.

Okay. So what you seem to be saying is that police officers are pretending to be looters with the objective of destroying things? Are they operating solo? Are they under the directions of the government? Do you have a link?

Further, I'm not sure how this is supposed to be contrary to the point I made and that nekom supported. Am I missing something here?
 
2011-01-29 02:45:50 PM
what_now: Excen: Sarcastica75: *whar* tatsuma.
whar.

Probably putting diesel in his armored bulldozer for the retaking of the Sinai.

/It is like 10:30 on a Saturday night where he's at. . .

NYC?


He's in the big apple? I thought he lived in Haifa or Meggido or something.

/Isn't he, like, a Jewey-Jew Jew-Jew?
//I hope that comment isn't bad juju for me
 
2011-01-29 02:46:31 PM
illegal.tender: Is there a prohibition against Fark linking to Al Jazeera?

Don't know that it counts for your question, but up the thread, someone linked to the AJ-english stream.
 
2011-01-29 02:46:50 PM
Happy Hours: Sarcastica75: Happy Hours: pootsie: F
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Well if you're just going to post links to stupid songs at least try to have a little class.

Mr. Cairo - his friends (new window)

and you know what?
the cure is not stupid.
your FACE is stupid.

/since we seem to have derailed and gone full retard.

Oh look! I've upset a Cure fan and he (or she) hates the song I linked to as well.

Do you see a pattern here?

I never liked the Cure but I never hated them. I do hate their fans though.

I won't feel bad if you tell me you hate me too. In fact, it's what I expect of you.


Okay, relax, Francine. I was being silly to respond to the moran who went full retard on me.
 
2011-01-29 02:47:27 PM
Has there been a mention in this thread of how the US should be ashamed for doing business with Egypt even though they were the only country with a somewhat reasonable government in the Middle East besides Israel?
 
2011-01-29 02:47:50 PM
what_now: Excen: Due to the social makeup of the protesters, the likely victor will be the Muslim Brotherhood political party

What makes you think that? Everything I've seen points to them being a smaller factor in this protest.


They are a small factor. Mubarak uses them the same way the right wing in this country use "islamists" to scare the bejeebus out of everybody.
 
2011-01-29 02:48:57 PM
toetag: illegal.tender: Is there a prohibition against Fark linking to Al Jazeera?

Don't know that it counts for your question, but up the thread, someone linked to the AJ-english stream.


Yeah, they did. Thanks for that.

Here it is again:

Link (new window)

Al-Jazeera. Better than CNN, but that's not saying much. Hell, even MSNBC is better than CNN.
 
2011-01-29 02:50:04 PM
Happy Hours: They're not re-burning the library of Alexandria. From what I've been able to gather they looted a few trinkets which we have already studied and cataloged and if Fark is to be believed they did so to make the protesters look bad.

I understand that, but dismissing consequences to items in the Museum as unimportant irks me.
 
2011-01-29 02:51:11 PM
what_now: Excen: Due to the social makeup of the protesters, the likely victor will be the Muslim Brotherhood political party

What makes you think that? Everything I've seen points to them being a smaller factor in this protest.


From an organizational standpoint, they will be readily able to fill the political-structure vacuum created by the departure of the Mubarak administration. However, that is assuming (and it's a very, very big assumption) that the people also want the National Democratic Party out, instead of just a change in figurehead. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that the protesters were also tired of the monopoly the NDP has on Egyptian politics.
 
2011-01-29 02:54:45 PM
Excen: From an organizational standpoint, they will be readily able to fill the political-structure vacuum created by the departure of the Mubarak administration. However, that is assuming (and it's a very, very big assumption) that the people also want the National Democratic Party out, instead of just a change in figurehead. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that the protesters were also tired of the monopoly the NDP has on Egyptian politics.

I think they do, but these are young and largely secular people. They aren't interested in an Islamic Theocracy.
 
2011-01-29 02:56:18 PM
Is it too early to start an Egyptian crisis cable news drinking game?

I'm still making it up, but here's what I've got so far.

* If they say "Mubarak", that's a drink.
* If they say "regime". that's a drink. "Regime Change" is a double.
* If they air old footage of Jimmy Carter (as one channel just did) you have to down your entire drink.
* If any politician (from any country) mentions "social networking" that's a drink. If they mention Facebook or Twitter or any other site by name, you down the rest of your drink.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm about 12 drinks behind just during the time it took to post this.
 
2011-01-29 02:57:34 PM
Happy Hours: Is it too early to start an Egyptian crisis cable news drinking game?

I'm still making it up, but here's what I've got so far.

* If they say "Mubarak", that's a drink.
* If they say "regime". that's a drink. "Regime Change" is a double.
* If they air old footage of Jimmy Carter (as one channel just did) you have to down your entire drink.
* If any politician (from any country) mentions "social networking" that's a drink. If they mention Facebook or Twitter or any other site by name, you down the rest of your drink.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm about 12 drinks behind just during the time it took to post this.


You live up to your name
 
2011-01-29 02:59:13 PM
Excen: what_now: Excen: Due to the social makeup of the protesters, the likely victor will be the Muslim Brotherhood political party

What makes you think that? Everything I've seen points to them being a smaller factor in this protest.

From an organizational standpoint, they will be readily able to fill the political-structure vacuum created by the departure of the Mubarak administration. However, that is assuming (and it's a very, very big assumption) that the people also want the National Democratic Party out, instead of just a change in figurehead. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that the protesters were also tired of the monopoly the NDP has on Egyptian politics.


I'm just going to repost what I said in the AJ thread over in politics:

Much of the US media is saying the Muslim Brotherhood is behind this, the MB did not join in until 3 days after the protest had started. The protest have to do with high unemployment, a large educated youth population and the higher cost of living (wheat prices for one), and nothing to do with the US, Israel or Islamic movements. What we are seeing is a demographic time bomb go off across the Arab world, the large under 30 under-employed internet raised group that no longer is willing to put up with leaders that won't let them buy what they want to buy and consume what they want to consume. If anything this moment will be anti-Islamic fundamentalism not for it

The MB is playing this cynically, they waited to join in until it was clear they had more to win the lose doing so, if Mubark is victorious and they got involved their will be a major crackdown, if the protesters win and they did not get involved they will have little future in Egypt. They waited 3 days to step in to see what would happen, the protesters see them as tag alongs and just as out of touch as the government.

If the government is over thrown, I suspect we will see a care taker government ran by the military and Elbardi. They will put in a road map and hold open elections with in a year. If the MB can win that election and if there are elections after that is a wide open question
 
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