remus: Guns do a lot more than just kill, they also put holes in paper very nicely. Which, is a really awesome way to spend your afternoon.


StanWangFan want you to try this instead



Go Crazy! Triple the Excitement!

What a horrifying story. I can't imagine what the father of those children must be going through, and will have to go through the rest of his life.

If it were me, I'd stop at nothing to get my hands around her throat. That biatch needs to be put down, as painfully as possible.

No trial, no quarter, no appeal, no mercy. Burn her ass at the stake. With the stake UP her ass.

I think you're all missing the point here. Police went to the home IN A GATED COMMUNITY because someone FROM TEXAS called them because her daughter was in a bad way. It only took the police SIX MINUTES to get there. I think there's some major social inequality if someone in a gated community can get that kind of service from the police off a tip from hundreds of miles away.

/how else can we politicize this?

ScottRiqui: Would you still be shiatting your pants if your friend drove a Volkswagen Rabbit like the one Ted Bundy used to transport his victims?

LOL that was pretty, I liked that.

thefatbasturd: Yes the Roman Empire did it without guns, but they did it with the most sophisticated weapons that WERE available to them at the time. To throw out a civilization that existed before guns did as an example of a society that didn't need guns to exist is really beyond stupid.

This. Hey StanWayneFan, is this your first gangtroll?

ScottRiqui: Breygon: SnakeMittens: A tragedy. But nothing new. Long forced separation has been stressing military families for decades.

decades?
hasn't that been a problem for military families since the kings of the ancient world first began sending fathers & husbands on campaigns to fight in foreign lands?

No shiat - and they weren't six-month deployments or 18-month tours, either. It was more like "I'm off to fight the war - see you in ten years Heaven."

FTFY

Iggie: LadySusan: I vote for crazy on this one. And I don't mean to expose my gender or my age here but perhaps she was made a bit crazier than normal by menopause. A friend told me once about going completely nutso when the city hadn't replaced the broken garbage can on the agreed upon day. Fortunately, only some groceries were injured in the ensuing tantrum. My friend increased her meds as a result and is now (this week) fine.

This is most likely the case, or that she was on anti-depressants and tried to go cold-turkey off of them, or even some horrible drug interaction. It's not only sad that these children are dead, but it's also sad that this woman is automatically demonized for something that could be attributed to extreme hormonal imbalance, medication issues, or what have you. Imagine what it would be like for her if one of these was the case and they got straightened out and "sane" again.

I don't think its good to do a whole lot of handwringing about justification. She killed her children, and that will always deserve automatic demonization from me.

thefatbasturd: Don't act like that isn't clearly seen as claiming the Roman Empire lasted ten thousand years, because it IS. Because whether you claim the statement you made is in response to "which particular greater civilization than ours went for tens of thousands of years?" or "What is the longest any one civilization has gone before collapse?", as YOU were the first one to bring up the idea ANY civilization lasted "ten thousand years", calling the Romans the civilization that lasted the longest says you believe they at least lasted that long. QED. So you have NO right to question someone's ability to debate, when you are apparently incapable of following a rational thought process.

YAY!

WeenerGord: thefatbasturd: Don't act like that isn't clearly seen as claiming the Roman Empire lasted ten thousand years, because it IS. Because whether you claim the statement you made is in response to "which particular greater civilization than ours went for tens of thousands of years?" or "What is the longest any one civilization has gone before collapse?", as YOU were the first one to bring up the idea ANY civilization lasted "ten thousand years", calling the Romans the civilization that lasted the longest says you believe they at least lasted that long. QED. So you have NO right to question someone's ability to debate, when you are apparently incapable of following a rational thought process.

YAY!

Thanks. Unfortunately I think we wuz trolled. He gave up WAY to easy to be as stupid as he was pretending

2wolves: "Schenecker's husband Parker is a colonel in U.S. Army intelligence and is in Qatar.

In the military for 28 years, he is assigned to U.S. Central Command, where he works in the intelligence directorate, said Centcom Lt. Col. Michael T. Lawhorn."

Too long on her own.

More bodies on the war pile.

Yep, that's my thought. This is the saddest story I've read in a while.

theknuckler_33: Like I said, I'm not arguing for a ban at all. I'm pro gun. My only point is that a car (and all of those things you mentioned) are designed to be used for purposes other than killing people. Handguns have one purpose.

I think a better point is that cars require yearly registering, yearly insurance, above the license. Why aren't guns held to an even higher standard than that?

Ficoce: I just can't get the poor Dad out of my mind. All my crotch gobblins grew up and I lost the tax write off a little at a time, but this guy has it happen all at once. At least it's a new year. Can't you still file married if the old lady is in the slammer? That would be a double whammy if he couldn't.

FrankTheYank:
You know what people are usually doing when they're "acting a fool?" Straightening someone else out. When you straighten somebody out for straightening somebody out, don't be surprised when someone else decides you need straightening out.

It isn't fear of guns that stops Americans from "correcting" other citizens' "anti-social behavior." It's just civilized culture -- we've reached an understanding that citizens intervening to "correct" other citizens' manners just leads to etiquette being defined by the most aggressive and hostile badass on the block. That doesn't exactly improve the tenor of society, capiche? (And if you don't capiche, my friend Vinny will have a conversation with your kneecaps so in the future you don't act a fool.)

Thank you for the humor in this thread.

Seriously? No one has referenced this yet?

"They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. becuse these babby cant frigth back?
it was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had kill her three kids . they are taking the three babby back to new york too lady to rest my pary are with the father who lost his chrilden ; i am truley sorry for your lots"

Link (new window)

The Ballad Of Lucy Jordan

The mornin' sun touched lightly on
the eyes of Lucy Jordan
In her white suburban bedroom,
in her white suburban town
As she lay there 'neath the covers,
dreaming of a thousand lovers
'Til the world turned to orange
and the room went spinnin' round

At the age of 37,
she realised she'd never ride
through Paris in a sports car,
with the warm wind in her hair
And she let the phone keep ringin'
as she sat there softly singin'
Pretty nursery rhymes she'd memorised
in her daddy's easy chair

Her husband, he was off to work,
and the kids were off to school
And there were oh so many ways
for her to spend her day
She could clean the house for hours,
or rearrange the flowers
Or run naked down the shady street
screaming all the way

At the age of 37,
she realised she'd never ride
through Paris in a sports car,
with the warm wind in her hair
And she let the phone keep ringin'
as she sat there softly singin'
Pretty nursery rhymes she'd memorised
in her daddy's easy chair

The evening sun touched gently on
the eyes of Lucy Jordan
On the rooftop where she'd climbed
when all the laughter grew too loud
And she bowed and curtseyed to the man,
who reached and offered her his hand
And led her down to the long white car
that waited past the crowd

At the age of 37,
she knew she'd found forever
as they rode along through Paris
With the warm wind in her hair
with the wind in her hair

Ya slimeys.

Burn 'em. Burn 'em ALL.

People who do these types of things...get the Rope.

Immediately.

No Quarter. I'm sick and tired of this BS.

Woolwine: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: And remember that, if she didn't use a gun, she would have maybe stabbed them with a kitchen knife, or beaten them to death with a baseball bat, or her bare hands, and we'd be discussing why fists, guns, and kitchen knives aren't registered because the tool used to kill is always to blame, not the crazy motherfarker using it.

But it wasn't. It was her gun. Plus the deaths caused by fists, knives and baseball bats don't come close to equaling the deaths caused every year by gun violence. So let's focus on what who actually is doing the killing and not pointless hypotheticals, shall we?

internutthead: What if it was her husband's pistol?

It wasn't, so the point is moot isn't it?

FTFY. Taking away the guns doesn't change the motive in which people kill. It only changes the method.

This sounds like a hypothetical. I'll entertain this idea if you can show me some actual data on this... not just something you think will happen.

itazurakko: Stanfan114: I really doubt she would have had the nerve to cut her daughter's throat after doing her son the same way. Guns are too easy.

You need to read more prurient and depraved crime story media. People absolutely do this.

Not only parents, either. There's a fairly sensational case where a high school kid who hated her mom poisoned her, slowly, as a science experiment and took notes on the whole thing, reveling in her mother's painful symptoms. 16 years old, member of... the chemistry club.

Still though, I understand and sympathize with the point that guns do in fact make a certain class of crime (for a certain class of criminals) easier. I just don't see a good way to say "we can keep guns from the bad people, and no one else." If we want to say "we should ban guns" then that's an argument it's possible to have, but it's quite a long distance.

Because not all guns used in crimes are black market, by any means. Everyone has their first crime, and you don't have to actually own the gun you use for your crimes anyway.

Plus, just wait until someone with mild mental illness (managed! and a productive member of society doing wonderful creative things!) is killed in a home invasion by some deranged stalker ex-boyfriend and it turns out that oh, if ONLY she had been permitted to have a gun...

(and yeah, I don't think you can say in such a situation that having a gun would have prevented the crime either, just as in the opposite situation it's always case by case and no one can really know, but...)

Just chiming in with an additional comment, not to shut out or refute any of the other comments, just another of the many what-ifs... in this whole horrific, terribly sad scenario. I'm thinking, using a gun is probably the only reason she was able to get to the daughter as well, because it killed the son instantly, before he was able to react. If she had used a knife, there most likely would have been a struggle, and quite a bit of noise, enough to alert the girl who was upstairs in the house, who may have been able to either lock herself in, or call 911.

Of course it's all speculation, 20-20 hindsight, we don't know what could have happened. But it does seem to me that guns do on some level make it easier to carry out the decision to kill, they inflict that killshot, as it were, quickly and efficiently, no time to fight back, struggle, alert anyone nearby who may be able to summon help in the meantime. I don't know. I have my head in the sand about this, most of the time, I admit. But on some level I think maybe if she'd have used a different weapon, the daughter may have had a fighting chance. Who knows.

Sad, sad, sad.

SpeelChuck: Just chiming in with an additional comment, not to shut out or refute any of the other comments, just another of the many what-ifs... in this whole horrific, terribly sad scenario. I'm thinking, using a gun is probably the only reason she was able to get to the daughter as well, because it killed the son instantly, before he was able to react. If she had used a knife, there most likely would have been a struggle, and quite a bit of noise, enough to alert the girl who was upstairs in the house, who may have been able to either lock herself in, or call 911.


She killed the son in their car on the way home from soccer practice, so the daughter wasn't nearby to hear it. And do you really think that assaulting someone with a knife would make more noise than shooting them twice in the head with a .38 revolver?

Just out of curiosity, could some of you Florida farkers tell me if Tampa is part of Oxycontin country like Broward County? I guess one of the possible side effects of Oxy abuse/withdrawal is psychosis, and thought that after her head injury she might have had easy access to the pill mills down there.