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2011-01-29 03:48:26 AM  
Given the Author's far right wing anti-gay agenda. It would be difficult to enjoy the work without that color he had brought to his work for his political activism, actively removing rights from citizens that don't follow his religious belief. CITATION (new window).

There is far more if you google Card's agenda. While I do like the book...he's a major jerk. Actively trying to remove rights from humans that do not fit his Mormon religious ideals.


In the same way it's difficult to enjoy "Battle Field Earth" without the overtones of Scientology.
 
2011-01-29 04:04:08 AM  

optikeye: Given the Author's far right wing anti-gay agenda. It would be difficult to enjoy the work without that color he had brought to his work for his political activism, actively removing rights from citizens that don't follow his religious belief. CITATION (new window).

There is far more if you google Card's agenda. While I do like the book...he's a major jerk. Actively trying to remove rights from humans that do not fit his Mormon religious ideals.


In the same way it's difficult to enjoy "Battle Field Earth" without the overtones of Scientology.


Meh. Open your mind.

A story is a story. You don't have to know anything about the author to enjoy it. I'm not a christian and I got 0 pings on my radar the first time I read the Chronicles of Narnia.

Re-reading it knowing more about Christianity, it's still a good series, even though I get the references now they don't take from the story.

So what if the author hates gays? Maybe Shakpeare was did too. Hamlet is still glorious. Put your dislike of the man on the back burner and see the story.

Speaking of Hamlet, you can't judge a swordsman by how well you like him. Some of the biggest dicks out there can also kick your ass. And some of the nicest people around can't put a hole a man wider than a barn door and wielding a tiny foil improperly. Art and personality can be separate.
 
2011-01-29 04:07:57 AM  
I've met the author. I have advance release copies of some of his books with his own hand-written annotation in them. He knew my dad in college.

And i think this movie will suck. Hard.
 
2011-01-29 04:30:23 AM  

optikeye: While I do like the book...he's a major jerk.


yet you still managed to like the book despite his beliefs or his agenda. why should the movie be any different?
 
2011-01-29 04:34:40 AM  

log_jammin: yet you still managed to like the book despite his beliefs or his agenda. why should the movie be any different?


You're missing the point - the man has bad hair, for crying out loud.
 
2011-01-29 04:58:09 AM  

Asa Phelps: You're missing the point - the man has bad hair, for crying out loud.


true. It does make me judge the bald characters differently.
 
2011-01-29 11:08:23 AM  
Well, bite my shiny metal ass.
 
2011-01-29 11:13:05 AM  
I think you mean down, Subby.

It's time to start thinking Zero-G.
 
2011-01-29 11:21:31 AM  
I wish they'd make the Alvin Maker series.. I've heard Card has a strong agenda, but I still enjoy his stories.
 
2011-01-29 11:21:44 AM  

optikeye: In the same way it's difficult to enjoy "Battle Field Earth" without the overtones of Scientology.


FTFY.
 
2011-01-29 11:22:06 AM  
I tried to read the book and while different, it wasn't bad. I trudged through the stuff about the game with the giant until I started to skip through them altogether because they were just painful to read. Once it got to multiple pages devoted to that stuff I just gave up.
 
2011-01-29 11:31:18 AM  

optikeye: Given the Author's far right wing anti-gay agenda. It would be difficult to enjoy the work without that color he had brought to his work for his political activism, actively removing rights from citizens that don't follow his religious belief. CITATION (new window).

There is far more if you google Card's agenda. While I do like the book...he's a major jerk. Actively trying to remove rights from humans that do not fit his Mormon religious ideals.


In the same way it's difficult to enjoy "Battle Field Earth" without the overtones of Scientology.


If I didn't read books, listen to albums or watch movies because the artist who created it was an asshole with crazy beliefs I wouldn't read any books, listen to any albums or watch any movies.

If you like the book then ignore the other stuff.

As far as Bender's Game goes, I read through a sample of it and the writing just seemed kind of childish. I don't mind reading an easy book but it seemed like a Elementary School level book.

Is that how it is supposed to be or does it get better as the book goes along? Should I have read it when I was younger?
 
2011-01-29 11:32:11 AM  
I'm drinking coffee bean. Get it? Bean!?! AHAHAHAHA
 
2011-01-29 11:33:13 AM  

Obscure Login: As far as Bender's Game goes, I read through a sample of it and the writing just seemed kind of childish. I don't mind reading an easy book but it seemed like a Elementary School level book.


That is what I thought too, that the writing had a level of simplicity to it. It had a certain charm there but I just sort of accepted it.
 
2011-01-29 11:33:25 AM  
THIRD!!!! THIRD!!!!!
 
2011-01-29 11:33:42 AM  

doglover: optikeye: Given the Author's far right wing anti-gay agenda. It would be difficult to enjoy the work without that color he had brought to his work for his political activism, actively removing rights from citizens that don't follow his religious belief. CITATION (new window).

There is far more if you google Card's agenda. While I do like the book...he's a major jerk. Actively trying to remove rights from humans that do not fit his Mormon religious ideals.


In the same way it's difficult to enjoy "Battle Field Earth" without the overtones of Scientology.

Meh. Open your mind.

A story is a story. You don't have to know anything about the author to enjoy it. I'm not a christian and I got 0 pings on my radar the first time I read the Chronicles of Narnia.

Re-reading it knowing more about Christianity, it's still a good series, even though I get the references now they don't take from the story.

So what if the author hates gays? Maybe Shakpeare was did too. Hamlet is still glorious. Put your dislike of the man on the back burner and see the story.

Speaking of Hamlet, you can't judge a swordsman by how well you like him. Some of the biggest dicks out there can also kick your ass. And some of the nicest people around can't put a hole a man wider than a barn door and wielding a tiny foil improperly. Art and personality can be separate.


Shakespeare is dead and incapable of using the money from his book sales to fund his vile agenda (if he had one). Card is. Every cent you give him is money that could be used to forward the motives of a hate filled man.
 
2011-01-29 11:40:31 AM  

Obscure Login: As far as Bender's Game goes,


www.idaconcpts.com
 
2011-01-29 11:42:48 AM  
I did read that as Bender's Game
 
2011-01-29 11:46:21 AM  
Re: The people hating on this book because the author is a political far right nightmare.

I am the first person to say you should only judge a story by the content of the writing and plotting, but I admit I have my own bias when it comes to Ender's Game. I refuse to support an author who is so openly hateful towards gays/lesbians. Yes, that means I could just borrow it from the library, but I don't want to do that either.

At my local community college a literature professor had a real hard on for Ender's Game. I didn't take the class but hearing my friend talk about it for weeks and weeks made me want to kill myself. We've lived with the message in the book for so long it's become a cliché.
 
2011-01-29 11:46:24 AM  

Obscure Login: Is that how it is supposed to be or does it get better as the book goes along? Should I have read it when I was younger?


I've always assumed it was aimed towards the same age group as Harry Potter.
 
2011-01-29 11:47:57 AM  

Little_Dictator: doglover: optikeye: Given the Author's far right wing anti-gay agenda. It would be difficult to enjoy the work without that color he had brought to his work for his political activism, actively removing rights from citizens that don't follow his religious belief. CITATION (new window).

There is far more if you google Card's agenda. While I do like the book...he's a major jerk. Actively trying to remove rights from humans that do not fit his Mormon religious ideals.


In the same way it's difficult to enjoy "Battle Field Earth" without the overtones of Scientology.

Meh. Open your mind.

A story is a story. You don't have to know anything about the author to enjoy it. I'm not a christian and I got 0 pings on my radar the first time I read the Chronicles of Narnia.

Re-reading it knowing more about Christianity, it's still a good series, even though I get the references now they don't take from the story.

So what if the author hates gays? Maybe Shakpeare was did too. Hamlet is still glorious. Put your dislike of the man on the back burner and see the story.

Speaking of Hamlet, you can't judge a swordsman by how well you like him. Some of the biggest dicks out there can also kick your ass. And some of the nicest people around can't put a hole a man wider than a barn door and wielding a tiny foil improperly. Art and personality can be separate.

Shakespeare is dead and incapable of using the money from his book sales to fund his vile agenda (if he had one). Card is. Every cent you give him is money that could be used to forward the motives of a hate filled man.


You LGB and Tranny people really think that everything has to relate back to your weird fetishes. Boink whoever you want to boink, but stop derailing my Ender's Game movie thread.
 
2011-01-29 11:48:12 AM  
I read the book when it first came out, and enjoyed, though the rest of the series got boring.

But he is really in Fred Phelps territory.


This applies also to the polity, the citizens at large. Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.
The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.

Now, there is a myth that homosexuals are "born that way," and we are pounded with this idea so thoroughly that many people think that somebody, somewhere, must have proved it.
In fact what evidence there is suggests that if there is a genetic component to homosexuality, an entire range of environmental influences are also involved. While there is no scientific research whatsoever that indicates that there is no such thing as a borderline child who could go either way.
Those who claim that there is "no danger" and that homosexuals are born, not made, are simply stating their faith.
The dark secret of homosexual society -- the one that dares not speak its name -- is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse, and how many of them yearn to get out of the homosexual community and live normally.
 
2011-01-29 11:51:11 AM  
I love the first book, but the series went downhill after that and I've given up hope on the 7th Alvin Maker book. But anyway, I don't see how they can bring the book to the screen without blowing it all to hell. I can see it turning out like Starship Troopers.
 
2011-01-29 11:51:20 AM  
I have no truck for anyone who has opinions I find objectionable.
 
2011-01-29 12:05:04 PM  

WoodyHayes: That is what I thought too, that the writing had a level of simplicity to it. It had a certain charm there but I just sort of accepted it.


St_Francis_P: I've always assumed it was aimed towards the same age group as Harry Potter.


Oh, ok. I didn't know that reading it the first time, maybe I'll give it another shot with this in mind.
 
2011-01-29 12:05:07 PM  
I always wondered where he came up with the idea of the alien "Buggers." It would seem Card has been obsessing about gay sex for an awful long time now. Like so many religious, right-wing males.
 
2011-01-29 12:07:26 PM  
It's funny, I always avoided his work until I saw how the ostensibly pro-gay activists here and elsewhere tried to smear him because he wouldn't bend over for their agenda. I'm always impressed by people with a spine so I gave Ender's Game a chance. So thanks to the lying weasels for introducing me to Card's work, which with a few exceptions I've enjoyed tremendously. Thank goodness you weren't nice, rational pro-gay people like Dick Cheney or I never would have given him a shot at my money.
 
2011-01-29 12:07:29 PM  
Are they going to have both of Ender's murder scenes, including the naked 8 year old shower fight?

I somehow see them upping the ages into non-pedo territory, and softening the brutality.

/I'm OK with the age thing, which I always thought was set ridiculously low, but the brutality was part of the point
 
2011-01-29 12:17:13 PM  
Little_Dictator:
Shakespeare is dead and incapable of using the money from his book sales to fund his vile agenda (if he had one). Card is. Every cent you give him is money that could be used to forward the motives of a hate filled man.

Card has a right to his beliefs, but those beliefs are bafflingly regressive from a man with enough imagination to write something like "Speaker for the Dead". Of course, religion like his enables someone to have an "open" mind, but make laser-focused exceptions targeting specific groups like gays for discrimination. Ergo aliens okay, gays EVIL.

This is why you borrow his books from the library, and torrent the film (or just read the book which will be 800x better anyway) :D
 
2011-01-29 12:19:48 PM  
Any proper adaptation of this book would have an R rating, Avatar-quality visuals, and star a bunch of little kids. I don't see how you get more than 2 out of 3.
 
2011-01-29 12:24:24 PM  
Given the Author's far right wing anti-gay agenda. It would be difficult to enjoy the work without that color he had brought to his work for his political activism, actively removing rights from citizens that don't follow his religious belief.

He's a classic homophobe, it's pretty obvious he's the type of guy who has homosexual tendencies. He basically comes out in his books. Let's see, shower fight involving two naked boys, the kid has very strong relationships with other boys, weak female characters.

My favorite though, is that some think Ender's game is an apology for Hitler.
 
2011-01-29 12:28:23 PM  
I hope Charlie Sheen gets a part in it.
 
2011-01-29 12:28:27 PM  
I loved that book the first time I read it, and I'm a pretty serious re-reader. Upon re-readings it turns out that it's full of plot holes and repetition. Still, you know, a pretty good book for young people.

So why does it need to be a movie?
 
2011-01-29 12:30:02 PM  
FTA:
The two have worked on many big-budget films like TRANSFORMERS, STAR TREK, EAGLE EYE and the most recent being COWBOYS AND ALIENS.

So, basically it has a 1 in 4 chance of being good, and a 3/4 chance of being terrible.
 
2011-01-29 12:30:39 PM  

rodeofrog: I have no truck for anyone who has opinions I find objectionable.


You mean you won't help them move?
 
2011-01-29 12:33:39 PM  
bdub77:
My favorite though, is that some think Ender's game is an apology for Hitler.

Howzat? It's not like Hitler thought he was playing a video game when he killed all those Jews.
 
2011-01-29 12:49:36 PM  

optikeye: Given the Author's far right wing anti-gay agenda. It would be difficult to enjoy the work without that color he had brought to his work for his political activism, actively removing rights from citizens that don't follow his religious belief. CITATION (new window).



Well it wasn't difficult for me to enjoy them for a simple reason. I've read five of the books in the "Enderverse" and not once read a single reference to his (admittedly abhorrent) views on homosexuality. If you had not mentioned it I never would have known. The books don't touch on that subject whatsoever. I loved them, and still do.

For the movie if they don't do the two big things that have been holding up the movie for years, I'll be happy. Hollywood producers have been insisting on making Ender older and cramming in a love interest. Farking stupid, and I am glad that Card has refused to sign off on any adaptations which have tried to include those two elements.
 
2011-01-29 12:51:03 PM  

ck1938: It's funny, I always avoided his work until I saw how the ostensibly pro-gay activists here and elsewhere tried to smear him because he wouldn't bend over for their agenda. I'm always impressed by people with a spine so I gave Ender's Game a chance. So thanks to the lying weasels for introducing me to Card's work, which with a few exceptions I've enjoyed tremendously. Thank goodness you weren't nice, rational pro-gay people like Dick Cheney or I never would have given him a shot at my money.


He thinks that gays shouldn't be treated as human beings, and he thinks it's acceptable to destroy the government of the USA if it supports homosexuals being treated as equal citizens. You don't need to smear the man, he does it himself with his own words. You consider it courageous to want to force yourself into other people's bedroom's and tell them who they can and cannot love? You think it's a heroic show of spine to want your government to actively deny rights to others simply because they go against your religious beliefs?
 
2011-01-29 12:54:27 PM  

No Such Agency: Card has a right to his beliefs, but those beliefs are bafflingly regressive from a man with enough imagination to write something like "Speaker for the Dead".


Yeah, right?

I had no idea what OSC's beliefs were when I read the 'Ender' books. When I finally did learn of them (through some message board flare-up over 'Ultimate Iron Man'), I couldn't believe that someone with the imagination to write those stories could be so, well, small-minded.

The fact that the antagonists of the Ender stories are often driven by a misplaced, irrational fear/hatred of their perceived enemy makes it all the more head scratching.

Makes you wonder if it's OSC's own fear/hatred of others that fuels him through the laborious process of writing those novels.
 
2011-01-29 12:54:44 PM  

doglover: So what if the author hates gays? Maybe Shakpeare was did too.


Given that some of Shakespeare's sonnets are written addressing men, I'm gonna say no.

Intolerance is a major sin for any creative person. For a sci-fi writer, it's unforgivable.
 
2011-01-29 12:57:28 PM  

Deadwing: rodeofrog: I have no truck for anyone who has opinions I find objectionable.

You mean you won't help them move?


Right. Because when I was a mormon, I had to help straight people move every stinkin Saturday. And I was rarely offered beer for my efforts. Well, no more!
 
2011-01-29 12:59:52 PM  

Ikimasen: So why does it need to be a movie?


Because Hollywood producers have learned that more people attend opening weekends of movies based on comic books and sci-fi adaptations than attend movies based on original ideas.
 
2011-01-29 01:02:16 PM  
I really liked Ender's Game until I found out you were supposed to take it at face value, and that most readers did.. I thought the whole point was that the reader was meant to understand that everything Ender and the other kids in the military are told is a lie. I mean

(A) The plot is totally preposterous otherwise. I can't go into it without massive spoilers, but seriously? You really believe the government would do that? Whereas it's easy to imagine they would just do it as a sham to have a convenient hero/scapegoat. And Ender doesn't actually do anything surprising -- they tell him he did what they thought he would do.

(B) The book is all about reality vs perception, narrative vs real life, conspiracies vs apparent truths, and government manipulation.

But apparently, no, you're meant to take the story at face value, not interpret it as Ender's own naive perception of what's going on. Well, I still think it's an OK book if I just keep my original interpretation and rarely talk to anyone else about it.
 
2011-01-29 01:04:17 PM  
cchurch: You LGB and Tranny people really think that everything has to relate back to your weird fetishes.

Liar.

Boink whoever you want to boink, but stop derailing my Ender's Game movie thread.

I'll make you a deal. When assholes like Card stop funding and promoting the hate that's a factor in gays and lesbians getting our heads smashed in on a depressingly regular basis by homophobic cretins, then we'll leave your precious Ender's Game threads alone. Deal?

theflatline: The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.

What an idiot Card is. When breeders don't have issues like 50% divorce rates, rampant infidelity, spousal abuse that sends thousands of women (and some men) to the hospital every year, child molestation via incest and so forth, *then* he can lecture us on how we GLBT conduct ourselves. Until then, he's just another hypocritical asshole using a book of ancient myths and pseudo-science to justify his bigotry. Interesting how people like him never call for the reinstatement of stoning to death in public for hetero's cheating their marriage vows......

The dark secret of homosexual society -- the one that dares not speak its name -- is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse, and how many of them yearn to get out of the homosexual community and live normally.

I've known I was queer since I was 5. It was having a crush on the blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid next door that made me realize that, not being diddled by someone. Not one of my gay friends I've ever known realized they were gay after being molested, it was "Oh yeah, that guy's cute. Oh, wait".

And gee, what a surprise! some people don't want to be a persecuted minority that is the target for violence and hate from people like Orson Scott Card, so they become one of those ludicrous "ex-gays" or worse, stay buried in the closet and and make an unsuspecting woman's life miserable by pretending to be straight. Since we can hide because it's not something obvious like skin color, what a shock that people take advantage of that.

ck1938: It's funny, I always avoided his work until I saw how the ostensibly pro-gay activists here and elsewhere tried to smear him because he wouldn't bend over for their agenda.

207.199.174.56

/End thread hijack
 
2011-01-29 01:10:06 PM  

bdub77: He's a classic homophobe, it's pretty obvious he's the type of guy who has homosexual tendencies. He basically comes out in his books. Let's see, shower fight involving two naked boys, the kid has very strong relationships with other boys, weak female characters.

My favorite though, is that some think Ender's game is an apology for Hitler.



No, sorry, that's just too simplistic. The Mormons have this... special hate for gays that I just don't understand. It seems as if to them somehow homosexuality is seen as a challenge to the legitimacy of their belief structure.

I used to work with a Mormon woman. The sweetest girl you'll ever meet. She was strictly Mormon and wouldn't even say a curse word. She never had *anything* even remotely bad to say about anyone, even when they deserved it she'd be gracious to the end. She volunteered, liked helping people and was just generally sweet in every way. I called her the "world's biggest 8 year old".

Then one day someone mentioned homosexuality in front of her and it was like a flip switched in her brain. All of a sudden, the sweetest girl I might ever have met was a frothing cauldron of hatred. This paragon of tolerance and good will towards her fellow man was perfectly happy with the ideas of gays being killed because they were gay. It farking floored me.

Once I realized this about her, I noticed other Mormon folks I knew who were not angry people had a similar intolerance of homosexuality.

It's NOT just as simple as the old "he hates gays so he must BE gay". Something in Mormonism inspires them towards this special irrational hatred towards gays. I think the whole farking religion makes so little farking sense that they spend extra effort making rationalizations so that they can feel like Mormonism ISN'T some dumb money-making scheme a grifter named Joseph Smith just pulled out of his ass (or hat, as it were)... and that they don't find it possible to square their rationalizations with the concept of homosexuality.

And no, that doesn't make it any less disturbing to me, and can we PLEASE move past the invisible sky wizards already, farking humanity.
 
2011-01-29 01:11:34 PM  

cchurch: You LGB and Tranny people really think that everything has to relate back to your weird fetishes. Boink whoever you want to boink, but stop derailing my Ender's Game movie thread.


Card has every right to be an intolerant shiat-weasel. I have every right to call him on it; America's awesome like that. :)
 
2011-01-29 01:11:40 PM  
The original short story was better. More focused, and less of that stupid subplot about his siblings taking over the world through internet posts or whatever.
 
2011-01-29 01:12:02 PM  
While many writers are actually scumbags, it's the story that always turned me off. Just reading the book jacket copy (and later summaries) it comes across as the most masturbatory, pathetic wish-fulfillment fantasy and I have zero interest in it except possibly as unintended parody. That it isn't and intended seriously makes it slightly more interesting, but not quite enough to bother to read. Why does all young adult fiction apparently have to be drowned in the "chosen one who can do what the adults can't" bullshiat?
 
2011-01-29 01:16:04 PM  

mongbiohazard: Once I realized this about her, I noticed other Mormon folks I knew who were not angry people had a similar intolerance of homosexuality.


It makes a certain amount of sense when you know that the Mormon Church used to feel the same way about black people; when that became unfashionable, they transfered their hate to other groups.

It's the reason for pushing bad PR against the Church when they support homophobic shiat like Prop 8: when it gets to the point that public opinion is against them, they'll change their stance.

/wish the Vatican was that flexible.
 
2011-01-29 01:19:13 PM  
Jaws_Victim:

Re: The people hating on this book because the author is a political far right nightmare.
 
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