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2011-01-28 11:06:03 AM  
farkin' pyramid schemes.
 
2011-01-28 11:06:11 AM  
Egypt has cut-off the internet completely and is activating its military

Guardian Link (new window)
 
2011-01-28 11:06:24 AM  
Send in the Bangles.. They'll help them walk it off...
 
2011-01-28 11:06:48 AM  
(RULES FOR THE THREAD)
 
2011-01-28 11:07:12 AM  
first we prayer, then we revolt...i see the promised friday prayers demonstration are underway. let's see if the muslim brotherhood kicks things up a notch now that they have officially joined the fun.
 
2011-01-28 11:07:26 AM  
Who do the protesters have at starting QB?
 
2011-01-28 11:07:45 AM  
Go Egyptian peoples!
 
2011-01-28 11:07:59 AM  
F*ck.

No more updates from my step-sister I guess.

I hope she's okay.

/she's not brown
 
2011-01-28 11:08:07 AM  
They are just in De-Nile
 
2011-01-28 11:08:09 AM  
we need a color stat!!
 
2011-01-28 11:08:17 AM  

cfletch13: (RULES FOR THE THREAD)


This ain't Nam. We already have rules.
 
2011-01-28 11:08:24 AM  
Come on Drew, show the world that Fark supports Egypt by changing the A in the logo to a pyramid.
 
2011-01-28 11:09:55 AM  
Link (new window)
 
2011-01-28 11:10:19 AM  
"Their main exports are petroleum, cotton, farm produce, cotton clothing, and aluminum products."

Whew, I can rest easier now as the only concern would be Egyptian cotton shirts and linens.... I can get by without those for now.
 
2011-01-28 11:10:25 AM  
Is it just me or is there anyone else here that hopes that this 'revolution' fails?
 
2011-01-28 11:10:26 AM  
asphinxtersezwut
 
2011-01-28 11:10:30 AM  
Damnit. That link is for Al jazeera, it has the best coverage right now.
 
2011-01-28 11:10:32 AM  
Link (new window)

Amazing imagery coming from here throughout the day. During the evening prayers, a protester ran up to the police line and asked for time and space for the people to pray. The police backed off and allowed them to do their thing. Something like that would never happen here in North America - it'd be seen as a tactical advantage to storm everyone who is on their knees at that time.
 
2011-01-28 11:10:39 AM  

netweavr: Egypt has cut-off the internet completely and is activating its military

Guardian Link (new window)


military in support or against?

this is going to get bloody - talk about corruptiuon vs people
 
2011-01-28 11:11:31 AM  
Epic police van burning action right now on Al Jazeera.

My guess is they send in the army tonight, 100 dead by morning.
 
2011-01-28 11:12:18 AM  

farkingatwork: netweavr: .... this is going to get bloody - talk about corruptiuon vs people


Oh, are we switching to discussion about America now?
 
2011-01-28 11:12:19 AM  
/shakes tiny fist at Epoc.

The link goes to Al Jazeera live broadcast from Cairo.
 
2011-01-28 11:13:29 AM  

A Fark Handle: first we prayer, then we revolt...i see the promised friday prayers demonstration are underway. let's see if the muslim brotherhood kicks things up a notch now that they have officially joined the fun.



"as participants, not organizers"
 
2011-01-28 11:14:13 AM  

farkingatwork: netweavr: Egypt has cut-off the internet completely and is activating its military

Guardian Link (new window)

military in support or against?

this is going to get bloody - talk about corruptiuon vs people


Both sides were reportedly asking the military to get involved so I have no idea.
 
2011-01-28 11:14:26 AM  

Kirk's_Toupee: Go Egyptian peoples!


As bad as Mubarak is, the mob rule that is Islam in Egypt...may not be an improvement.
 
2011-01-28 11:15:13 AM  
So I know these protesters don't like their current government, but what do they want in its place?

I'd like to offer meaningless moral support, but I have no idea what these protesters really want.
 
2011-01-28 11:15:21 AM  
Tanks rolling into central Suez. Oh fark.
 
2011-01-28 11:15:37 AM  

epoc_tnac: Link (new window)


Looks like they are burning a paddywagon right now..
 
2011-01-28 11:15:44 AM  
Al Jazeera is reporting tanks and APCs are rolling into Suez
 
2011-01-28 11:16:27 AM  
Go democracy

Ra Ra Ra!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-01-28 11:16:36 AM  

Troy McClure: So I know these protesters don't like their current government, but what do they want in its place?


tax cuts for the rich?
 
2011-01-28 11:16:59 AM  
Now those O-Peckerheads will use this as a lame excuse to jack up the price of oil again.
 
2011-01-28 11:17:05 AM  

I_C_Weener: Kirk's_Toupee: Go Egyptian peoples!

As bad as Mubarak is, the mob rule that is Islam in Egypt...may not be an improvement.


The root of the protest movement in Egypt is pro-democratic Christians.
 
2011-01-28 11:17:57 AM  
Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez
 
2011-01-28 11:18:14 AM  

Monkey Fighter: Link (new window)

Amazing imagery coming from here throughout the day. During the evening prayers, a protester ran up to the police line and asked for time and space for the people to pray. The police backed off and allowed them to do their thing. Something like that would never happen here in North America - it'd be seen as a tactical advantage to storm everyone who is on their knees at that time.


Really? Really?
 
2011-01-28 11:18:18 AM  
Wikileaks seems to be unloading their Egyptian files today.
 
2011-01-28 11:18:20 AM  
I'm not sure who's going to take over. I vote for Zahi Hawass.
 
2011-01-28 11:18:39 AM  

Troy McClure: So I know these protesters don't like their current government, but what do they want in its place?

I'd like to offer meaningless moral support, but I have no idea what these protesters really want.


They've had the same corrupt government for 30 years. I think they just want a bit of variety. Silly Egyptians, don't they know 2 parties is enough to sedate the masses?
 
2011-01-28 11:18:55 AM  
Personally, I like watching governments fall. Especially corrupt ones.

Which is kind of an unnecessary addendum to my initial statement.
 
2011-01-28 11:18:56 AM  

PirateKing: Go democracy

Ra Ra Ra!


That is a Horus-ible pun.
 
2011-01-28 11:19:02 AM  
Egyptian streets don't have lanes?
 
2011-01-28 11:19:54 AM  

PirateKing: Ra Ra Ra!


heh
 
2011-01-28 11:20:02 AM  
Pray for Omai-Ra
 
2011-01-28 11:20:20 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Who do the protesters have at starting QB?


mohamed elbaradei, the nobel peace laureate is leading protests against mubarak's regime. of course mubarak is countering by deploying "elite" riot police, whatever that means, to rush his blindside. that said, i believe the muslim brotherhood are solid at left tackle, or at least at bomber maker/assassin. it should be an interesting game.

/everyone play clean, and no helmet to helmet hits.
//that's a automatic torturing and a $50K fine for harrison.
 
2011-01-28 11:20:27 AM  
FTA:

1608: Al Jazeera TV reports that military trucks arrive in a Cairo square to the cheers of protesters.

1603: The BBC's Ranyah Sabry, in Cairo, reports: "There has been some sympathy towards the demonstrators from the security services. Right near to where I am stationed near the police hospital - which is only for officers - they are said to have been throwing masks out of the windows so that the protesters can cover themselves and avoid the effect of the tear gas."

If these two items are true, than things are going to get really interesting. You know the regime is in trouble when the Army and the Cops start helping the protesters.
 
2011-01-28 11:20:57 AM  
Why don't we just nuke the middle east? Surely we can drill through the rubble to get to the oil.
 
2011-01-28 11:21:11 AM  
Gov't buildings in Cairo are burning. (Al Jazeera)
 
2011-01-28 11:21:12 AM  

Foaming: I'm not sure who's going to take over. I vote for Zahi Hawass.


That guy annoys me. He acts like he personally discovered the original recipe for Egyptian beer when in reality, his best day was as the Egyptian Geraldo.

"And when the robot goes through this hole we shall see what was left on the other side of this hidden chamber in the pyramid...What? Just another wall? shiat.
 
2011-01-28 11:21:21 AM  
Smoke coming from the NDP headquarters.
 
2011-01-28 11:21:23 AM  

Foaming: I'm not sure who's going to take over. I vote for Zahi Hawass.


fark no. That guy is fail++
 
2011-01-28 11:21:54 AM  
Why does this riot look more brutal than the one the other month in- um- was it Athens? Am I missing something in the cultural treatment of civilians? Or was it just over by the time I saw live feed last time?
 
2011-01-28 11:22:44 AM  
Meh. Egypt is just a tourist trap.
www.americansouthwest.net
 
2011-01-28 11:23:25 AM  
While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.
 
2011-01-28 11:23:34 AM  
Army tanks in Cairo as well (Guardian)
 
2011-01-28 11:24:15 AM  

ACallForPeace: Smoke coming from the NDP headquarters.


Hey internet, THIS is finally something that the term epic applies to.
 
2011-01-28 11:24:19 AM  

Troy McClure: So I know these protesters don't like their current government, but what do they want in its place?

I'd like to offer meaningless moral support, but I have no idea what these protesters really want.


An anarcho-syndicalist commune. Where they take turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decisions *of* that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs by a two-thirds majority.
 
2011-01-28 11:24:42 AM  

PghThermal: A Fark Handle: first we prayer, then we revolt...i see the promised friday prayers demonstration are underway. let's see if the muslim brotherhood kicks things up a notch now that they have officially joined the fun.


"as participants, not organizers"


no matter how they are involved they bring fun to the party...and if the reports of security forces joining protesters are true mubarak should consider getting on a plane to anywhere but egypt.
 
2011-01-28 11:25:24 AM  
The sad part is that when this is all said and done some colonel or general is going to change his rank to "president" and the whole thing is going to go on just like before, just with a different guy at the head. If the protesters are really lucky, one of the opposition figureheads will get to call himself "president", while still pretty much listening to that colonel/general.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
2011-01-28 11:25:32 AM  

ThisNameSux: Come on Drew, show the world that Fark supports Egypt by changing the A in the logo to a pyramid.


Oh pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease do this, Drew!
 
2011-01-28 11:25:43 AM  

SixPaperJoint: An anarcho-syndicalist commune.


I know you're joking, but that's a good portion of what the Greek rioters actually want.
 
2011-01-28 11:26:11 AM  

Foaming: I'm not sure who's going to take over. I vote for Zahi Hawass.


Why not Ayman al-Zawahiri?

i53.tinypic.com

He used to be a community organizer on the streets of Cairo.
 
2011-01-28 11:28:07 AM  

Foaming: I'm not sure who's going to take over. I vote for Zahi Hawass.



You don't get a vote in a dictatorship; wait 'til the revolution is over. A few hours at most.
 
2011-01-28 11:29:07 AM  

ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.


Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.
 
2011-01-28 11:29:12 AM  

ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.


If I were in the thick of things, and people started shouting "Praise God," I'd be getting pissed.

This isn't about religion, asshole. It's about freedom!
 
2011-01-28 11:29:42 AM  
So, what's the politcal fallout for America seeing as this is basically a revolution in progress? You might not have an ally in the biggest Arab country this time next week.
 
2011-01-28 11:30:09 AM  

A Fark Handle: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Who do the protesters have at starting QB?

mohamed elbaradei, the nobel peace laureate is leading protests against mubarak's regime. of course mubarak is countering by deploying "elite" riot police, whatever that means, to rush his blindside. that said, i believe the muslim brotherhood are solid at left tackle, or at least at bomber maker/assassin. it should be an interesting game.

/everyone play clean, and no helmet to helmet hits.
//that's a automatic torturing and a $50K fine for harrison.


I've always found it interesting to see who takes 'charge' in a riot situation. I don't understand why they'd attach themselves to a seething mob, especially if they are a Nobel Peace Laureate.

The NPL has successfully led a riot that included burning Gov't buildings and torching Gov't vehicles. Way to go, maintain that push for peace, through violence and destruction!

Riots, in general, do more harm than good. If they escalate into a Coup, all of the buildings you just torched, which housed important documents, are now a hindrance to rebuilding. All of those vehicles you destroyed, are resources you no longer have to restore order.

The fringe rule the mob, the figurehead just gets shiat upon.
 
2011-01-28 11:30:10 AM  

PghThermal: Foaming: I'm not sure who's going to take over. I vote for Zahi Hawass.


You don't get a vote in a dictatorship; wait 'til the revolution is over. A few hours at most.


sure you do. you just vote with weapons...too bad for the US this place is going to end up with MB leadership because they have all the guns and bombs.
 
2011-01-28 11:30:16 AM  
Well, the people called for the Army, now they'll have them. I hope they figured it right.
 
2011-01-28 11:30:37 AM  

epoc_tnac: So, what's the politcal fallout for America seeing as this is basically a revolution in progress? You might not have an ally in the biggest Arab country this time next week.


Hillary should say something non-committal about supporting "the Egyptian people" sometime soon.
 
2011-01-28 11:30:43 AM  
Cops opened fire.
Fresh clashes between protesters and police just started.
 
2011-01-28 11:30:45 AM  

epoc_tnac: So, what's the politcal fallout for America seeing as this is basically a revolution in progress? You might not have an ally in the biggest Arab country this time next week.


At least we still have Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2011-01-28 11:31:05 AM  
Strange to think that much of this is more or less directly caused by Tunesian police bullying a street vendor.
 
2011-01-28 11:31:39 AM  
Is this 1848 repeating itself all over, just in the middle east?
 
2011-01-28 11:33:37 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Foaming: I'm not sure who's going to take over. I vote for Zahi Hawass.

Why not Ayman al-Zawahiri?


Why either? Maybe the people have realized that democracy isn't just using a multiple choice test for choosing their next dictator, but a way to organize society from the ground up, enabling each person to live out the destiny of his choosing.
 
2011-01-28 11:34:29 AM  

Limbofark: Strange to think that much of this is more or less directly caused by Tunesian police bullying a street vendor.


So he was bullied by a woman, then set himself on fire?

Usually when I was humiliated by a woman I went home, cried, then jerked off.
 
2011-01-28 11:34:35 AM  
Mubarak dues to speak to the nation. Some Giza told me.
 
2011-01-28 11:34:48 AM  

SixPaperJoint: Troy McClure: So I know these protesters don't like their current government, but what do they want in its place?

I'd like to offer meaningless moral support, but I have no idea what these protesters really want.

An anarcho-syndicalist commune. Where they take turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decisions *of* that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs by a two-thirds majority.


Bloody peasants.
 
2011-01-28 11:35:22 AM  

Teknowaffle: Is this 1848 repeating itself all over, just in the middle east?


Ali has died of dysentery.
 
2011-01-28 11:35:58 AM  

Teknowaffle: Is this 1848 repeating itself all over, just in the middle east?


Tunisia sneezed, and the Middle East caught a cold?
 
2011-01-28 11:35:58 AM  
National Democratic Party headquarters are now on fire.

Don't think this curfew is going to hold
 
2011-01-28 11:36:27 AM  

epoc_tnac: So, what's the politcal fallout for America seeing as this is basically a revolution in progress? You might not have an ally in the biggest Arab country this time next week.

tomorrow.

FTFY
 
2011-01-28 11:38:09 AM  
Watching the live coverage right now, I can't help but wonder... where are all these idiots driving to? There's massive riots, tanks in the streets, and a bunch of people commuting home from work. WTF?
 
2011-01-28 11:38:16 AM  
Live feed (new window)
 
2011-01-28 11:38:57 AM  

schief2: ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.

Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.


1) Egyptian politics is much more complicated than this simple dichotomy that has been replayed constantly in these threads and 2) maybe someday geopolitical "realists" will realize that in propping up a strongman that serves your interests, when the inevitable demand for freedom manifests, the factions best prepared to mobilize politically are the religious extremists because they are usually the only opposition the strongman allows to exist.
 
2011-01-28 11:39:11 AM  
Found a few more live-update sources and listed them here.

Sadly, Al Jazeera requires RealPlayer, and Homey Don't Play That...
 
2011-01-28 11:39:23 AM  

epoc_tnac: Watching the live coverage right now, I can't help but wonder... where are all these idiots driving to? There's massive riots, tanks in the streets, and a bunch of people commuting home from work. WTF?


People finding family, friends and people being transporter to hospitals?
 
2011-01-28 11:39:24 AM  
Hopefully they don't let this crisis go to waste.
 
2011-01-28 11:40:20 AM  

LawrencePerson: Sadly, Al Jazeera requires RealPlayer


No it doesn't.
 
2011-01-28 11:40:46 AM  

epoc_tnac: Watching the live coverage right now, I can't help but wonder... where are all these idiots driving to? There's massive riots, tanks in the streets, and a bunch of people commuting home from work. WTF?


Would your boss excuse you from deadlines just because of some Tea Party riots in downtown Cincy?
 
2011-01-28 11:41:23 AM  
A presidential internet kill switch is an AWESOME IDEA!
 
2011-01-28 11:41:24 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: A Fark Handle: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Who do the protesters have at starting QB?

mohamed elbaradei, the nobel peace laureate is leading protests against mubarak's regime. of course mubarak is countering by deploying "elite" riot police, whatever that means, to rush his blindside. that said, i believe the muslim brotherhood are solid at left tackle, or at least at bomber maker/assassin. it should be an interesting game.

/everyone play clean, and no helmet to helmet hits.
//that's a automatic torturing and a $50K fine for harrison.

I've always found it interesting to see who takes 'charge' in a riot situation. I don't understand why they'd attach themselves to a seething mob, especially if they are a Nobel Peace Laureate.


the mob gives you power. playing the mob rule game right is the way you become the next leader of a nation. that or having more guns. and as "peace laureate" i'm guessing he's gun-poor.

/i wonder which side the CIA is stirring up.
 
2011-01-28 11:41:32 AM  

LawrencePerson: Sadly, Al Jazeera requires RealPlayer, and Homey Don't Play That...


...no it doesn't. It requires flash.
 
2011-01-28 11:42:10 AM  

Foaming: I'm not sure who's going to take over. I vote for Zahi Hawass.


I think you said that just to make my brain explode.

Fark that guy, seriously. He's like some social parasite Belloq to every Egyptologist working in that country.
 
2011-01-28 11:42:12 AM  

I_C_Weener: Tea Party riots


Trick question. The Tea Party would never riot.
Political assassination and terrorism maybe.
 
2011-01-28 11:42:26 AM  

schief2: ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.

Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.


Which is pretty much how Saddam Hussein got to stay in power for so long.
 
2011-01-28 11:42:54 AM  

SixPaperJoint: An anarcho-syndicalist commune. Where they take turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decisions *of* that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs by a two-thirds majority.


So, it'll be like that Kids in the Hall sketch where the CEO and janitor trade jobs every other week.
 
2011-01-28 11:42:55 AM  
When does Fark get a ribbon?
 
2011-01-28 11:43:22 AM  

i.imgur.com

Not particularly helpful against an Egyptian insurgency...or Jewish one.

 
2011-01-28 11:43:29 AM  

I_C_Weener: epoc_tnac: Watching the live coverage right now, I can't help but wonder... where are all these idiots driving to? There's massive riots, tanks in the streets, and a bunch of people commuting home from work. WTF?

Would your boss excuse you from deadlines just because of some Tea Party riots in downtown Cincy?


You know there's some poor bastard driving to Ikea to replace a picture frame or something for his wife.
 
2011-01-28 11:43:34 AM  

epoc_tnac: Watching the live coverage right now, I can't help but wonder... where are all these idiots driving to? There's massive riots, tanks in the streets, and a bunch of people commuting home from work. WTF?


Reminds me of Freaknik when it was in Atlanta..
 
2011-01-28 11:43:44 AM  

Limbofark: Strange to think that much of this is more or less directly caused by Tunesian police bullying a street vendor.


Thank you for that link.
 
2011-01-28 11:43:45 AM  
Well, I'm out of the thread
Good luck protesters.
 
2011-01-28 11:44:02 AM  

ACallForPeace: I_C_Weener: Tea Party riots

Trick question. The Tea Party would never riot.
Political assassination and terrorism maybe.



Maybe they wouldn't, but they sure could. I'd love to riot from the comfort of a hoveround. Do the whole thing sitting down!
 
2011-01-28 11:44:24 AM  

Rev.K: F*ck.

No more updates from my step-sister I guess.

I hope she's okay.

/she's not brown


And why did you feel the need to mention that, how does it faction into anything?
 
2011-01-28 11:45:42 AM  
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Go, get 'em, guys!
 
2011-01-28 11:45:57 AM  
i149.photobucket.com
Walk-with-an-erection....
 
2011-01-28 11:45:58 AM  

Latinwolf: Rev.K: F*ck.

No more updates from my step-sister I guess.

I hope she's okay.

/she's not brown

And why did you feel the need to mention that, how does it faction into anything?


i582.photobucket.com
 
2011-01-28 11:46:03 AM  
Man US news coverage of what's going on over there sucks. Al Jazeera live seems to be covering this exclusively. Anyway, the American guy talking from his balcony on Al Jazeera live English feed is reporting the protesters appear to be getting ready to storm the central radio/television building in Cairo. The loud explosions heard earlier there are apparently gas tanks exploding at a stormed police station.
 
2011-01-28 11:46:13 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Who do the protesters have at starting QB?


Mohammed El-Baradei

/yes. I know. I know.
 
2011-01-28 11:47:03 AM  

Sork: Meh. Egypt is just a tourist trap.


Stayed there in 1998. It was pretty nice tourist trap.
 
2011-01-28 11:47:30 AM  
They're shooting protestors now.

Vid (new window)
 
2011-01-28 11:48:26 AM  

epoc_tnac: I_C_Weener: epoc_tnac: Watching the live coverage right now, I can't help but wonder... where are all these idiots driving to? There's massive riots, tanks in the streets, and a bunch of people commuting home from work. WTF?

Would your boss excuse you from deadlines just because of some Tea Party riots in downtown Cincy?

You know there's some poor bastard driving to Ikea to replace a picture frame or something for his wife.


Probably.

"Hey, Bari. Did you remember to bring home the falafel? NO!! ALLAH DAMMIT! I told you no hanky panky if you can't get me some Allah damned falafel now! Go back out and don't come back without some. And those dipping sauce things at the corner stand. They taste like blood of infidels."

"But there is rioting in the streets."

"And my burka ain't coming off without falafel."

"Yes dear.
 
2011-01-28 11:48:31 AM  

chopit: ACallForPeace: I_C_Weener: Tea Party riots

Trick question. The Tea Party would never riot.
Political assassination and terrorism maybe.


Maybe they wouldn't, but they sure could. I'd love to riot from the comfort of a hoveround. Do the whole thing sitting down!


sure, it's all fun and games until you need to flee up a flight of stairs or there's a curb in the way of your escape route.

/then the socialist nazi shock troops will surely capture you and you'll miss the early bird special at old country buffet
 
2011-01-28 11:49:09 AM  

chopit: They're shooting protestors now.

Vid (new window)


Wow, that's awful.
 
2011-01-28 11:49:24 AM  

chopit: They're shooting protestors now.

Vid (new window)


Your tax dollars at work.
 
2011-01-28 11:49:34 AM  
"German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg expresses concern about the risk of "infectious momentum" of unrest in the Middle East, during a meeting at the World Economic Forum"

I knew The Stonecutters were behind this somehow!
 
2011-01-28 11:49:37 AM  
Attack now Israel!
 
2011-01-28 11:49:43 AM  

epoc_tnac: Watching the live coverage right now, I can't help but wonder... where are all these idiots driving to? There's massive riots, tanks in the streets, and a bunch of people commuting home from work. WTF?


I didn't think they worked on Fridays. The Allah's day so to speak.
 
2011-01-28 11:49:44 AM  

chopit: They're shooting protestors now.

Vid (new window)


They supposedly shut down the internet 10 minutes after that got out.

Al Jazeera showing pictures of a crowd in front of the NDP party HQ in Cairo in flames. "No sign of fire services", heh.
 
2011-01-28 11:49:46 AM  
People rioting against an establishment mean they are friendly to the US, right? Am i supposed to be cheering or concerned?

/desperately needing news channels to tell me what to think
 
2011-01-28 11:50:18 AM  
www.channel4.com

cache.boston.com

i.telegraph.co.uk

www.celebritydietdoctor.com
 
2011-01-28 11:50:50 AM  
The whole: "OKAY! TIME OUT EVERYONE! Let us pray" thing is really surreal.
 
2011-01-28 11:51:00 AM  

A Fark Handle: chopit: ACallForPeace: I_C_Weener: Tea Party riots

Trick question. The Tea Party would never riot.
Political assassination and terrorism maybe.


Maybe they wouldn't, but they sure could. I'd love to riot from the comfort of a hoveround. Do the whole thing sitting down!

sure, it's all fun and games until you need to flee up a flight of stairs or there's a curb in the way of your escape route.

/then the socialist nazi shock troops will surely capture you and you'll miss the early bird special at old country buffet


C'mon. What cop would fire tear gas at a bunch of old fat white people who are sitting down?
 
2011-01-28 11:51:14 AM  
i55.tinypic.com
 
2011-01-28 11:51:51 AM  

Zeno-25: Man US news coverage of what's going on over there sucks. Al Jazeera live seems to be covering this exclusively. Anyway, the American guy talking from his balcony on Al Jazeera live English feed is reporting the protesters appear to be getting ready to storm the central radio/television building in Cairo. The loud explosions heard earlier there are apparently gas tanks exploding at a stormed police station.


Welcome to 'merica haha! I was just talking to my mom and asked her what she thought of the Egypt craziness.. She said "What do you mean? What's happening in Egypt?"

Turn OFF the Fox news .. jeeze.
 
2011-01-28 11:51:52 AM  
Just a quick prayer there, and then back to torching the city.
 
2011-01-28 11:51:55 AM  

netweavr: Egypt has cut-off the internet completely and is activating its military

Guardian Link (new window)


Old, busted:

"The Internet treats censorship as a disease and routes around it."

New hotness:

"The Internet treats routing updates as Gospel and drops all routes to Egypt."
 
2011-01-28 11:53:51 AM  

chopit: A Fark Handle: chopit: ACallForPeace: I_C_Weener: Tea Party riots

Trick question. The Tea Party would never riot.
Political assassination and terrorism maybe.


Maybe they wouldn't, but they sure could. I'd love to riot from the comfort of a hoveround. Do the whole thing sitting down!

sure, it's all fun and games until you need to flee up a flight of stairs or there's a curb in the way of your escape route.

/then the socialist nazi shock troops will surely capture you and you'll miss the early bird special at old country buffet

C'mon. What cop would fire tear gas at a bunch of old fat white people who are sitting down?


a seattle cops? they'll kill you for sport (offer only applies to the darker skinned among us), and will tear gas people in a parked car for the LULZ.
 
2011-01-28 11:55:36 AM  
As happy I would be for a repressed population expressing their liberty, this situation smells of shiat in a bad, bad way.

Sometimes, corruption is the best of the 2 solution.

Considering the fact that the opposition wants to apply Sharia law and is Islamic fundie in origin, I wouldnt be surprised if that revolution ends up turning Egypt away from the rest of the world.

It wont be pretty and people will end up having LESS rights than what they used to have. The corruption wont end, it will just be hidden a bit under the rug. After all, there is no homosexuals in Iran, get it?

So this situation is going badly there. Tunisia's situation is different. People had more rights than in any Muslim country and it makes for a very clear possibility that an Islamic party doesnt get elected.

In Egypt? The Islamic party will probably take control, end up being a dictatorship, have the same levels of corruption, end up being unfriendly to the UN or Americans, attack Israel in some way.

So no, please Drew do not support this revolution by changing the A in Fark. Yes it is interesting whats going on in Tunisia but not in Egypt.

I will walk just there.
 
2011-01-28 11:56:08 AM  

A Fark Handle: DeathByGeekSquad: A Fark Handle: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Who do the protesters have at starting QB?

mohamed elbaradei, the nobel peace laureate is leading protests against mubarak's regime. of course mubarak is countering by deploying "elite" riot police, whatever that means, to rush his blindside. that said, i believe the muslim brotherhood are solid at left tackle, or at least at bomber maker/assassin. it should be an interesting game.

/everyone play clean, and no helmet to helmet hits.
//that's a automatic torturing and a $50K fine for harrison.

I've always found it interesting to see who takes 'charge' in a riot situation. I don't understand why they'd attach themselves to a seething mob, especially if they are a Nobel Peace Laureate.

the mob gives you power. playing the mob rule game right is the way you become the next leader of a nation. that or having more guns. and as "peace laureate" i'm guessing he's gun-poor.

/i wonder which side the CIA is stirring up.


I love the hypocrisy of riots. ElBaradei is calling for the Gov't to remain non-violent. Perhaps they wouldn't be forced to take aggressive action if your riotous mob wasn't destroying the city bit by bit?

Nevertheless, the global population will fawn over the Nobel winner and point to such statements as attempts to prevent further bloodshed/chaos.

"Do the right thing, don't hit back, as I sit on top of your chest - pummeling your face."
"OMG HE SWUNG BACK, THOSE CORRUPT BASTARDS!"
 
2011-01-28 11:56:27 AM  
1458: BBC technology correspondent Mark Gregory says: "Something unprecedented has happened: virtually the entire internet infrastructure of an electronically sophisticated nation has been switched off. Pulling the plug in say the US or a European country would be virtually impossible as there are so many different channels that carry electronic traffic. . . This is believed to be the first time a government has engineered an almost complete shut down of electronic communications to deal with political dissent."

And people wondered why there was so much screaming when the Senate wanted to give the president the power to 'pull the plug' on the internet in the US.
 
2011-01-28 11:56:33 AM  
Wow, tear gassing the protesters while they are praying might be the dumbest thing the police could possibly do.
 
2011-01-28 11:56:52 AM  
I have Flash installed. It's telling me I need to install Realplayer 10.5.
 
2011-01-28 11:58:00 AM  

LawrencePerson: I have Flash installed. It's telling me I need to install Realplayer 10.5.


There are two embedded streams. One is Realplayer, the other is Flash 10.
 
2011-01-28 11:58:48 AM  

RatOmeter: Why don't we just nuke the middle east? Surely we can drill through the rubble to get to the oil.


Why don't you learn to read and grow conscience? Hint: murder and stealing are wrong.
 
2011-01-28 11:58:52 AM  
Al Jazeera reporter just admitted to sending people out in violation of curfew.

Smart move, that one.
 
2011-01-28 11:58:53 AM  

epoc_tnac: Just a quick prayer there, and then back to torching the city.


Think it will it work?

It'd take a miracle.
 
2011-01-28 11:59:27 AM  
Mubarak has Biden's support, so at least he has that going for him.

Link (PBS newhour)
 
2011-01-28 11:59:42 AM  
Why are they chanting "Beat LA! Beat LA!"?
 
2011-01-28 12:00:04 PM  
Watching them pray while the world around them burns is so surreal. Powerful images.
 
2011-01-28 12:00:38 PM  

netweavr: Al Jazeera reporter just admitted to sending people out in violation of curfew.

Smart move, that one.


Doesn't seem like anyone else is obeying the curfew. How else are they meant to report the news?
 
2011-01-28 12:00:41 PM  

Lonestar: So this situation is going badly there. Tunisia's situation is different. People had more rights than in any Muslim country and it makes for a very clear possibility that an Islamic party doesnt get elected.

In Egypt? The Islamic party will probably take control, end up being a dictatorship, have the same levels of corruption, end up being unfriendly to the UN or Americans, attack Israel in some way.


Careful, I got jumped on a minute ago for saying the same thing in not so many words. According to some around here, all popular uprisings against a corrupt government are automatically a Good Thing. No matter if the group that is by far the most well-placed to take advantage of the chaos is the Muslim Brotherhood and its wealthy and weapon-heavy allies across the region.
 
2011-01-28 12:00:47 PM  

Lunaville: RatOmeter: Why don't we just nuke the middle east? Surely we can drill through the rubble to get to the oil.

Why don't you learn to read and grow conscience? Hint: murder and stealing are wrong.


i think you meant to say, "sort of wrong. depending on who's dying and what you're stealing."
 
2011-01-28 12:00:53 PM  
Al Jazeera has great coverage

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
 
2011-01-28 12:01:44 PM  
Uh oh, now they're saying the National Antiquities Museum in Cairo might be threatened by the NDP hq fire.
 
2011-01-28 12:03:27 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-01-28 12:04:02 PM  

Lonestar: Considering the fact that the opposition wants to apply Sharia law and is Islamic fundie in origin, I wouldnt be surprised if that revolution ends up turning Egypt away from the rest of the world.


The young people who started this don't want that. Perhaps the MB does, but they're just now joining in. If Mubarak falls I really doubt the kids that made it happen will then let the MB put the shackles back on. They know what happened in Iran.
 
2011-01-28 12:04:21 PM  

Zeno-25: Uh oh, now they're saying the National Antiquities Museum in Cairo might be threatened by the NDP hq fire.


Is the building itself actually on fire? When I was watching the AJ live feed a little while ago, it kind of looked to me like there was a wall, and behind that an open space in front of the building where something was on fire (cars?), and that was where the fire actually was. You could see people moving around in the building a couple floors up from where the fire was burning at/near ground level. I'd have to think that if the place was really burning they'd GTFO.
 
2011-01-28 12:04:39 PM  

Zeno-25: Uh oh, now they're saying the National Antiquities Museum in Cairo might be threatened by the NDP hq fire.


Good thing the Germans didn't give Nefrititi back. That sucker is about to go way up in value.
 
2011-01-28 12:05:02 PM  

schief2: Careful, I got jumped on a minute ago for saying the same thing in not so many words. According to some around here, all popular uprisings against a corrupt government are automatically a Good Thing. No matter if the group that is by far the most well-placed to take advantage of the chaos is the Muslim Brotherhood and its wealthy and weapon-heavy allies across the region.


Maybe while the US was busy interfering in the middle east, they could have recommended that certain countries treat their citizens a little better, in case they have a spontaneous revolution. Just because a state is friendly to the US doesn't mean that it's a viable reality for the long term.
 
2011-01-28 12:05:41 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: schief2: ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.

Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.

1) Egyptian politics is much more complicated than this simple dichotomy that has been replayed constantly in these threads and 2) maybe someday geopolitical "realists" will realize that in propping up a strongman that serves your interests, when the inevitable demand for freedom manifests, the factions best prepared to mobilize politically are the religious extremists because they are usually the only opposition the strongman allows to exist.


Thank-you. Let's hope and pray that this time, against all odds, the drive for freedom is greater than the forces of theocracy.
 
2011-01-28 12:07:08 PM  

Zeno-25: Uh oh, now they're saying the National Antiquities Museum in Cairo might be threatened by the NDP hq fire.


it's cool the british already stole everything worth caring about. i think all that's left are a couple of props from the filming of indiana jones and cleopatra.
 
2011-01-28 12:07:10 PM  
Make the header green! or Jasmine!

...or something
 
2011-01-28 12:08:53 PM  
Hillary is "deeply concerned." On CNN right now.
 
2011-01-28 12:08:55 PM  
Good ad placement there:
img232.imageshack.us
 
2011-01-28 12:08:56 PM  

Badmonkey82009: Good thing the Germans didn't give Nefrititi back. That sucker is about to go way up in value.


I laughed way too hard at this.
 
2011-01-28 12:09:51 PM  

xynix: Zeno-25: Man US news coverage of what's going on over there sucks. Al Jazeera live seems to be covering this exclusively. Anyway, the American guy talking from his balcony on Al Jazeera live English feed is reporting the protesters appear to be getting ready to storm the central radio/television building in Cairo. The loud explosions heard earlier there are apparently gas tanks exploding at a stormed police station.

Welcome to 'merica haha! I was just talking to my mom and asked her what she thought of the Egypt craziness.. She said "What do you mean? What's happening in Egypt?"

Turn OFF the Fox news .. jeeze.


What your mom doesn't know could fill a warehouse.

/Your mom is dumb
 
2011-01-28 12:09:56 PM  

i.imgur.com

Never bring a riot to a gun fight.

 
2011-01-28 12:10:09 PM  
Ugh, Hillary Coonton. "Protesters should express themselves peacefully." Well, I'm sure they'll stop rioting now.
 
2011-01-28 12:10:25 PM  

A Fark Handle: Zeno-25: Uh oh, now they're saying the National Antiquities Museum in Cairo might be threatened by the NDP hq fire.

it's cool the british already stole everything worth caring about. i think all that's left are a couple of props from the filming of indiana jones and cleopatra.


Ever been to the Louvre? They have the best Egyptian section I've seen outside of Egypt. Also the Germans were pretty good at cleaning house too.
 
2011-01-28 12:10:33 PM  
Anyone know a link that is iPhone friendly? No real Internet connection in a while, so I don't have the latest flash player. Maybe someone knows a YouTube channel that is constantly being updated ?

Hell, I'll settle for a blog that is being contantly updated.

/apologies if this has already been covered
 
2011-01-28 12:10:45 PM  
Hillary: "Verbose negligible commentary regarding contemporary activities within the Egyptian region. Violence neglects to provide solutions to strife. Also, turn Facebook back on."
 
2011-01-28 12:11:33 PM  

Vanetia: Hillary is "deeply concerned." On CNN right now.


She reiterated that Obama is right that Egypt's government needs to reform. That might be a bad move, from a diplomatic perspective. Mubarak may see it as the U.S. siding with the protestors, and that if they see it that way, then his only option is to put this protest down quickly and violently...a la Tianmen Square.
 
2011-01-28 12:13:01 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria: Anyone know a link that is iPhone friendly? No real Internet connection in a while, so I don't have the latest flash player. Maybe someone knows a YouTube channel that is constantly being updated ?

Hell, I'll settle for a blog that is being contantly updated.

/apologies if this has already been covered


just load up the old yule log app and you'll get the general idea.
 
2011-01-28 12:13:10 PM  

TexasRedFox: xynix: Zeno-25: Man US news coverage of what's going on over there sucks. Al Jazeera live seems to be covering this exclusively. Anyway, the American guy talking from his balcony on Al Jazeera live English feed is reporting the protesters appear to be getting ready to storm the central radio/television building in Cairo. The loud explosions heard earlier there are apparently gas tanks exploding at a stormed police station.

Welcome to 'merica haha! I was just talking to my mom and asked her what she thought of the Egypt craziness.. She said "What do you mean? What's happening in Egypt?"

Turn OFF the Fox news .. jeeze.

What your mom doesn't know could fill a warehouse.

/Your mom is dumb


My Aunt thinks Sarah Palin is the smartest American currently in existence. My Grandfather believes if it's not on Fox it doesn't really happen (seriously). Lets just say visiting for the holidays was not a pleasure.
 
2011-01-28 12:13:18 PM  

xynix: Zeno-25: Man US news coverage of what's going on over there sucks. Al Jazeera live seems to be covering this exclusively. Anyway, the American guy talking from his balcony on Al Jazeera live English feed is reporting the protesters appear to be getting ready to storm the central radio/television building in Cairo. The loud explosions heard earlier there are apparently gas tanks exploding at a stormed police station.

Welcome to 'merica haha! I was just talking to my mom and asked her what she thought of the Egypt craziness.. She said "What do you mean? What's happening in Egypt?"

Turn OFF the Fox news .. jeeze.


What are you talking about? Fox has non-stop coverage on it and just had a presser from H. Clinton.
 
2011-01-28 12:13:30 PM  
I did not know Robert Gibbs was alive in the year 1655.

/timeline looks like a dateline.
 
2011-01-28 12:13:35 PM  

Lunaville: RatOmeter: Why don't we just nuke the middle east? Surely we can drill through the rubble to get to the oil.

Why don't you learn to read and grow conscience? Hint: murder and stealing are wrong.


Well, you could learn to make coherent rebuttals and to not reply in haste to trollish posts on the Outernet.
 
2011-01-28 12:13:58 PM  

Vanetia: Hillary is "deeply concerned kissing Israeli ass." On CNN right now.


/Corrected for accuracy.
 
2011-01-28 12:14:01 PM  
Going from Hillary back to the live footage is an interesting audio transition. Blah blah blah blah - RRAAAAAAWWWWWGGGHHH.
 
2011-01-28 12:14:44 PM  
if only we had that kind of resolve here in USA
 
2011-01-28 12:14:47 PM  
Take Hillary's speech and replace each "Egypt" with "Palestine"
 
2011-01-28 12:15:02 PM  

epoc_tnac: Ugh, Hillary Coonton. "Protesters should express themselves peacefully." Well, I'm sure they'll stop rioting now.


Her comment may have no effect, but throwing rocks from a bridge onto policeman hardly qualifies as non-violent protest. And, though it is a harder route to follow, ultimately, non-violent protest results in more efective, more stable, longer lasting change.
 
2011-01-28 12:15:13 PM  
burn like f-i-r-e-i-n-c-a-i-r-o ?
 
2011-01-28 12:15:58 PM  
Clinton speaking now. I wonder if Mubarak delayed the speech he was supposed to make an hour ago to see what she said. No more word on the fire near the National Museum.

Al Jazeera is now reporting that the Army has entered Alexandria and is flashing thumbs up to the protesters, who are apparently very happy to see them.

Maybe the army has Mubarak under their control now?
 
2011-01-28 12:16:20 PM  

Ball of Confusion: if only we had that kind of resolve here in USA


If you are calling for armed resistance and firing of government buildings, then I'm afraid, in light of the Tuscon shooting and DHS's mandates, I must report you to the nearest Walmart Manager.
 
2011-01-28 12:16:43 PM  

netweavr: Take Hillary's speech and replace each "Egypt" with "Palestine"


Speaking of which, after the dust has settled will the Egyptians let the Palestinians back in?
 
2011-01-28 12:20:05 PM  

Zeno-25: Clinton speaking now. I wonder if Mubarak delayed the speech he was supposed to make an hour ago to see what she said. No more word on the fire near the National Museum.

Al Jazeera is now reporting that the Army has entered Alexandria and is flashing thumbs up to the protesters, who are apparently very happy to see them.

Maybe the army has Mubarak under their control now?



The war drums.

They are beating.
 
2011-01-28 12:20:32 PM  
the only reason this thread hasn't reached epic level is that egypt isn't the 'iranian boogyman", that "some" farkers tried to paint it as.

-remember folks...

israel today!

israel forever!!!

-where is the green ribbon of freedom?!?!?!?!!!
 
2011-01-28 12:20:50 PM  

Lunaville: epoc_tnac: Ugh, Hillary Coonton. "Protesters should express themselves peacefully." Well, I'm sure they'll stop rioting now.

Her comment may have no effect, but throwing rocks from a bridge onto policeman hardly qualifies as non-violent protest. And, though it is a harder route to follow, ultimately, non-violent protest results in more efective, more stable, longer lasting change.


Apparently after 30 years of the same party, which won the last election with 95% of the vote, a lot of Egyptians decided they'd rather see change in their lifetimes, and gone for the quicker solution, and would probably disagree with you.
 
2011-01-28 12:22:58 PM  
APOPHIS '11

t0.gstatic.com
 
2011-01-28 12:23:09 PM  

Bauer: the only reason this thread hasn't reached epic level is that egypt isn't the 'iranian boogyman", that "some" farkers tried to paint it as.

-remember folks...

israel today!

israel forever!!!

-where is the green ribbon of freedom?!?!?!?!!!


Israel is part of the problem, not the solution. I don't know why we should be so goddamned friendly with them.
 
2011-01-28 12:24:30 PM  
i will never got over macho grande...
 
2011-01-28 12:25:24 PM  

RatOmeter: Bauer: the only reason this thread hasn't reached epic level is that egypt isn't the 'iranian boogyman", that "some" farkers tried to paint it as.

-remember folks...

israel today!

israel forever!!!

-where is the green ribbon of freedom?!?!?!?!!!

Israel is part of the problem, not the solution. I don't know why we should be so goddamned friendly with them.


But they are the friendliest, most productive most educated, problem we have.
 
2011-01-28 12:25:37 PM  
Hi everybody!

Did I miss anything?

Did Israel attack yet?
 
2011-01-28 12:25:38 PM  

RatOmeter:
Israel is part of the problem, not the solution. I don't know why we should be so goddamned friendly with them.


Perhaps because they are a stable democracy that isn't propped up soley by oil wealth in the middle of a bunch of crazies?
 
2011-01-28 12:25:53 PM  

Amos Quito: Zeno-25: Clinton speaking now. I wonder if Mubarak delayed the speech he was supposed to make an hour ago to see what she said. No more word on the fire near the National Museum.

Al Jazeera is now reporting that the Army has entered Alexandria and is flashing thumbs up to the protesters, who are apparently very happy to see them.

Maybe the army has Mubarak under their control now?


The war drums.

They are beating.


www.flickfilosopher.com
 
2011-01-28 12:26:18 PM  

LineNoise: RatOmeter:
Israel is part of the problem, not the solution. I don't know why we should be so goddamned friendly with them.

Perhaps because they are a stable democracy that isn't propped up soley by oil wealth in the middle of a bunch of crazies?


Well, there is that....
 
2011-01-28 12:26:30 PM  

Teknowaffle: APOPHIS '11


so full of win-kree!!!
 
2011-01-28 12:27:00 PM  

Zeno-25: Clinton speaking now. I wonder if Mubarak delayed the speech he was supposed to make an hour ago to see what she said. No more word on the fire near the National Museum.

Al Jazeera is now reporting that the Army has entered Alexandria and is flashing thumbs up to the protesters, who are apparently very happy to see them.

Maybe the army has Mubarak under their control now?


That's awful news for Mubarak. You're always screwed when the military turns on you. I think the army was angry with Mubarak because Mubarak wanted to install his son as the next "elected" leader of Egypt and the generals didn't approve. This will get interesting. Of course, the generals would just shift Egypt to a military dictatorship.
 
2011-01-28 12:27:11 PM  

i rule 34: RatOmeter: Bauer: the only reason this thread hasn't reached epic level is that egypt isn't the 'iranian boogyman", that "some" farkers tried to paint it as.

-remember folks...

israel today!

israel forever!!!

-where is the green ribbon of freedom?!?!?!?!!!

Israel is part of the problem, not the solution. I don't know why we should be so goddamned friendly with them.

But they are the friendliest, most productive most educated, problem we have.



You forgot back-stabby.
 
2011-01-28 12:28:12 PM  
farker t...my brother.

-ready for round 2? lol
 
2011-01-28 12:28:19 PM  
I tried hard to find a decent pic of Cleopatra being bitten by a snake that was SFW. I wanted to make a "Miss Cleo" predicts a painful end for Mubarak joke. But now I can't.

Anyway...lots of snakes biting boobs when you google Cleopatra Snake.
 
2011-01-28 12:30:20 PM  
i rule 34

But they are the friendliest, most productive most educated, problem we have.


LineNoise

Perhaps because they are a stable democracy that isn't propped up soley by oil wealth in the middle of a bunch of crazies?

Ah, OK. Both are good points.
 
2011-01-28 12:30:57 PM  
Can I ask at least one thing, please? The jokes about 'What color is this revolution?' and 'You gonna change the logo to a pyramid to show support?' and 'Don't post until you read the rules!' were kind of funny for about 10 seconds. Then they get really really old. If you're gonna poke fun at things like that (this *is* FARK, after all, and I understand it happens), at least come up with some new jokes.

Don't be a Mencia, use your Intelligencia.

God, that's bad... Oh well... At least it's original.
 
2011-01-28 12:31:52 PM  

greentea1985: Zeno-25: Clinton speaking now. I wonder if Mubarak delayed the speech he was supposed to make an hour ago to see what she said. No more word on the fire near the National Museum.

Al Jazeera is now reporting that the Army has entered Alexandria and is flashing thumbs up to the protesters, who are apparently very happy to see them.

Maybe the army has Mubarak under their control now?

That's awful news for Mubarak. You're always screwed when the military turns on you. I think the army was angry with Mubarak because Mubarak wanted to install his son as the next "elected" leader of Egypt and the generals didn't approve. This will get interesting. Of course, the generals would just shift Egypt to a military dictatorship.


http://wikileaks.ch/Egyptian-Military-Succession-Plans.html
The Egyptian military planned for a "smooth" transfer of power to the president's son in the event of regime change, according to recently published US diplomatic cables.

A senior Egyptian politician told an American diplomat in July 2009 [09CAIRO1468] that the military would safeguard a "constitutional transition of power" and implied the armed forces would support Gamal Mubarak, the son of current president Hosni Mubarak. Dr. Ali El Deen Hilal Dessouki, a former minister in the ruling National Democratic Party (NDP), claimed that even though "the real center of power in Egypt is the military", they would have "no objection to a civilian" as the next president.

A remark interpreted by the US official as a "pointed reference" to Gamal Mubarak. Dessouki went on to dismiss the possible danger of protests against the current regime, calling opposition parties "weak" and democracy a "long term goal."

"There would be some violence around the upcoming 2010 parliamentary and 2011 presidential elections", he said, "but...security forces would be able to keep it under control."

"Widespread politically-motivated unrest was not likely because it was not part of the 'Egyptian mentality'. Threats to daily survival, not politics, were the only thing to bring Egyptians to the streets en masse." On 25 Janurary 2011, media reports recorded over 30,000 people who took to the streets to defy the government ban on protesting against President Hosni Mubarak's 30-year-old rule. Security forces have arrested around 500 demonstrators over the two days, according to Interior Ministry sources. It has been reported that at least one protestor and one policeman have been killed in the capital. Gamal Mubarak's presidential ambitions are well known inside Egyptian politics and society. In April 2007 [07CAIRO974], a US diplomatic cable quotes a protected source who observes that, "Gamal and his clique are becoming more confident in the inevitability of Gamal's succession, and are now angling to remove potential stumbling blocks."

One potential obstruction was his lack of military experience. Unlike his father, Gamal did not automatically enjoy the support of the armed forces.

A cable from September 2008 [08CAIRO2091] quotes a group of Egyptian academic and civilian analysts who highlight "the armed forces' uneasiness with Gamal Mubarak".

In the same cable, other analysts reportedly believe, "the regime is trying to co-opt the military through patronage into accepting Gamal" and conclude that "despite tensions between the military and business, their relationship remains cooperative."

In the cable dated 30 July 2009 [09CAIRO1468], Dr Dessouki acknowledged that although "the military is concerned about maintaining its 'corporate interests'", it was committed to a "constitutional transition of power."


Heh.
 
2011-01-28 12:31:55 PM  
Al Jazeera is reporting that the military is treating the protesters passively. Painting an image of tanks just mixed in with the protests.
 
2011-01-28 12:32:59 PM  
...those wounds run pretty deep.
 
2011-01-28 12:33:35 PM  
Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.
 
2011-01-28 12:33:35 PM  
www.pandart.org
 
2011-01-28 12:33:56 PM  
The protesters are treating the army coming in like gaining stars on GTA. Partying, saying it shows they overthrew the city.
 
2011-01-28 12:34:40 PM  
Why isn't there a flashing NEWS thread for this event, this is historic.
 
2011-01-28 12:35:37 PM  

RatOmeter: i rule 34

But they are the friendliest, most productive most educated, problem we have.


LineNoise

Perhaps because they are a stable democracy that isn't propped up soley by oil wealth in the middle of a bunch of crazies?

Ah, OK. Both are good points.


almost forgot:

t3.gstatic.com
 
2011-01-28 12:35:42 PM  

I_C_Weener: I tried hard to find a decent pic of Cleopatra being bitten by a snake that was SFW. I wanted to make a "Miss Cleo" predicts a painful end for Mubarak joke. But now I can't.

Anyway...lots of snakes biting boobs when you google Cleopatra Snake.


I_C_Weener: I tried hard to find a decent pic of Cleopatra being bitten by a snake that was SFW. I wanted to make a "Miss Cleo" predicts a painful end for Mubarak joke. But now I can't.

Anyway...lots of snakes biting boobs when you google Cleopatra Snake.


upload.wikimedia.org

/Close enough?
 
2011-01-28 12:35:58 PM  

FarKnight: Why isn't there a flashing NEWS thread for this event, this is historic.


No video of pretty protester girls being murdered...or tweets to that effect.
 
2011-01-28 12:36:05 PM  

DoughyGuy: Can I ask at least one thing, please? The jokes about 'What color is this revolution?' and 'You gonna change the logo to a pyramid to show support?' and 'Don't post until you read the rules!' were kind of funny for about 10 seconds. Then they get really really old. If you're gonna poke fun at things like that (this *is* FARK, after all, and I understand it happens), at least come up with some new jokes.

Don't be a Mencia, use your Intelligencia.

God, that's bad... Oh well... At least it's original.


were you here for that display of zionistic heroism?

i was.

then i was treated 'poorly'.

-and i'll leave it there.
 
2011-01-28 12:36:38 PM  
Yea, the lack of threads/discussion on Fark over these historic events is pathetic. Chalk it up to Green Iran Syndrome, I guess.
 
2011-01-28 12:37:47 PM  

USCLaw2010: /Close enough?


Yeah, but not an iconic Cleopatra (Liz Taylor for example), so I passed on it. If you have to explain its Cleopatra then the Miss Cleo joke misses.

Thanks for trying to help though.
 
2011-01-28 12:38:37 PM  
If Mubarak has lost the army, as at least one report indicates, then he's toast. If not, he'll likely survive.
 
2011-01-28 12:38:38 PM  
Where are the camels?
 
2011-01-28 12:39:58 PM  
I don't have the sound on, but that looks like a pretty damning shot that Al-Jazeera's doing right now: side-by-side split screen live shots with their own camera on the left, showing a police van burning in Cairo, and Egyptian gov't TV on the right, showing a live shot of peaceful traffic, pedestrians on a bridge, etc.

The message to the rest of the Arab world could not be more clear: your state broadcasters are bullshiatting you.
 
2011-01-28 12:40:41 PM  
Al Jazeera has a split screen with theirs on the left showing shiat on fire and national TV on the right showing a postcard skyline. The cameras are "several hundred yards apart.

Baghdad Bob redux
 
2011-01-28 12:41:08 PM  
-blah- Unless Egypt let's them burn down the country, no matter what they do it'll be wrong in the eyes of the world.

If you'd illegalize islam, this would not be happening.

PSA "Radical cleric caught being smuggled into the US inside the trunk of a BMW." google it. I did not think there were terrorists in the US. I mean, according to you folks, and the media, 9-11 was a dream, and the NY subway bombings were just 'angry youths'. So, what gives?
 
2011-01-28 12:42:00 PM  

schief2: The message to the rest of the Arab world could not be more clear: your state broadcasters are bullshiatting you.


That's what they're saying. They also are saying some reporters have been "vacationed".
 
2011-01-28 12:42:13 PM  

Bauer: DoughyGuy: Can I ask at least one thing, please? The jokes about 'What color is this revolution?' and 'You gonna change the logo to a pyramid to show support?' and 'Don't post until you read the rules!' were kind of funny for about 10 seconds. Then they get really really old. If you're gonna poke fun at things like that (this *is* FARK, after all, and I understand it happens), at least come up with some new jokes.

Don't be a Mencia, use your Intelligencia.

God, that's bad... Oh well... At least it's original.

were you here for that display of zionistic heroism?

i was.

then i was treated 'poorly'.

-and i'll leave it there.


Do whatever you like. I'm just looking for some originality in the riffs... It's like watching a Henny Youngman routine sometimes around here. As soon as the joke starts you know the punchline. How the hell do you guys expect to keep me entertained at work??? C'mon, man!
 
2011-01-28 12:42:47 PM  

pervvywanker: Where are the camels?


In the dessert.
 
2011-01-28 12:43:19 PM  
The army is rolling in heavy now.
 
2011-01-28 12:43:27 PM  

LawrencePerson: If Mubarak has lost the army, as at least one report indicates, then he's toast. If not, he'll likely survive.



That's what BBC has reported the last couple of days. It seems that eventually some army guys will not want to fight their brother, cousin, neighbor, etc.
 
2011-01-28 12:44:03 PM  
something just blew up!
 
2011-01-28 12:44:24 PM  

i rule 34: pervvywanker: Where are the camels?

In the dessert.


One hump or two?
 
2011-01-28 12:44:25 PM  

Witchyman: LineNoise: RatOmeter:
Israel is part of the problem, not the solution. I don't know why we should be so goddamned friendly with them.

Perhaps because they are a stable democracy that isn't propped up soley by oil wealth in the middle of a bunch of crazies?

Well, there is that....


That's stupid. We prop up those "crazy" governments with money and they give us that oil. What does Israel give us?

Also, I guarantee you that when the voice of the people is heard in Egypt it will not be supportive of the current policies and human rights conditions of their Israeli neighbor. But
 
2011-01-28 12:44:32 PM  
photos.imageevent.com
 
2011-01-28 12:44:45 PM  

i rule 34: pervvywanker: Where are the camels?

In the dessert.


I could go for some camel pie.
 
2011-01-28 12:44:46 PM  

Irascible: Al Jazeera has a split screen with theirs on the left showing shiat on fire and national TV on the right showing a postcard skyline. The cameras are "several hundred yards apart.

Baghdad Bob redux


Is Al Jazeera taking sides on this?
 
2011-01-28 12:46:35 PM  

Irascible: Al Jazeera has a split screen with theirs on the left showing shiat on fire and national TV on the right showing a postcard skyline. The cameras are "several hundred yards apart.

Baghdad Bob redux


We should call the announcer on State TV Cairo Charlie.

/Watching Al Jazeera myself.
 
2011-01-28 12:47:32 PM  
i rule 34: Is Al Jazeera taking sides on this?

No. They are fair and balanced. Just the facts. You decide.
 
2011-01-28 12:48:17 PM  

i rule 34: Irascible: Al Jazeera has a split screen with theirs on the left showing shiat on fire and national TV on the right showing a postcard skyline. The cameras are "several hundred yards apart.

Baghdad Bob redux

Is Al Jazeera taking sides on this?


Only in that instance. It was definitely a "fark you" to Egyptian (state)TV. Other than that it's color commentary and "on the scene" reporting with lots and lots of things on fire.
 
2011-01-28 12:48:40 PM  

Bauer: farker t...my brother.

-ready for round 2? lol



Good to see you, Bauer.

Watching Fox News, I see that all of the elements are in place as with the Iran debacle - cellphones and internet communications cut off, protesters being brutalized in the streets, the forces of an admittedly oppressive and totalitarian government viciously crushing the popular uprising...

But there is a difference: Rather than the cheers and sympathy we saw for the Iranians, the Foxes are wringing their hands, worrying that the 'entire region will become destabilized' should this revolution succeed: The Terr-rists will gain power - CONTROL THE SUEZ CANAL, and even - dare I say it - might pose a threat to the Homeland of the poorest, most victimized, downtrodden and helpless people in the history of the world.

Cutting through the shiat - the Iranian Revolution was seen as being in Israel's best interests - and therefor in OUR best interests, whereas the Egyptian Revolution is being spun as working AGAINST the best interests of the Jewish State.

You can guess where it will go from there.
 
2011-01-28 12:49:01 PM  
Al-Jazeera English just reported that THE ARMY IS FIGHTING THE POLICE.
 
2011-01-28 12:49:30 PM  
They're giving away Cadillacs?
 
2011-01-28 12:51:18 PM  

H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.


Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.
 
2011-01-28 12:51:52 PM  
Blues_X:

That was excellent.
 
2011-01-28 12:52:39 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: Al-Jazeera English just reported that THE ARMY IS FIGHTING THE POLICE.


Cats and dogs, living together!
 
2011-01-28 12:53:10 PM  
Is it me or is the CNN coverage slightly better than the Iran coverage?
 
2011-01-28 12:53:28 PM  
No internet!? What about their Farmvilles!?!?!?!?!?! Their crops will wither!!!
 
2011-01-28 12:53:45 PM  
img190.imageshack.us
 
2011-01-28 12:54:10 PM  

Aar1012: Is it me or is the CNN coverage slightly better than the Iran coverage?


People still watch CNN?
 
2011-01-28 12:54:12 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: Al-Jazeera English just reported that THE ARMY IS FIGHTING THE POLICE.


shiat just got real.
 
2011-01-28 12:54:55 PM  
Unconfirmed reports of small arms fire from a police station at the army. So it might be police, it might not, it might be a false rumor.
 
2011-01-28 12:55:52 PM  
For some reason I find it particularly amusing that although the government is probably desperate to close down the Al Jazeera camera feed, the security forces don't have a chance of getting close to the building.

What a crazy situation. When a notoriously brutal police force gives up against the will of the (unarmed) people, you know shiat is farked.
 
2011-01-28 12:55:57 PM  
H3IN0US:

Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

If by "Actually it did" you're including the Iran/Iraq war which resulted in a million or so dead as you're definition of it working out well, then you're totally right.
 
2011-01-28 12:56:18 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: Al-Jazeera English just reported that THE ARMY IS FIGHTING THE POLICE.


t3.gstatic.com

VS

t1.gstatic.com


The Police don't have a chance.
 
2011-01-28 12:56:39 PM  
Simply amazing, I am watching a revolution taking place from the comfort of my couch.
 
2011-01-28 12:56:52 PM  
unconfirmed reports of gunfire and explosions, different from tear gas
 
2011-01-28 12:57:00 PM  

devildog123: H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.


Aside from the initial taking of embassy hostages, can you describe any way in which Iran has actively and directly caused massive problems for America?

Unlike Iraq ... required TWO invasions
Unlike Afghanistan ... housing terrorism
Unlike Saudi Arabia ... breeding and funding terrorism
Unlike Yemen ... see Saudi Arabia

Iran is a farking rock. It's bullshiat posturing on both sides which keeps positive relations from moving forward.
 
2011-01-28 01:00:03 PM  

Zeno-25: Yea, the lack of threads/discussion on Fark over these historic events is pathetic. Chalk it up to Green Iran Syndrome, I guess.



The Israeli Propaganda crowd is on the opposite side of the fence in this one.

Bought-and-sold at Camp David, Egypt has been working with Israel to help keep the Palestinians (and others in the region) in check for 30 years.

Egypt borders Gaza - they could have been helping these poor people as they have been crushed by Israel, but the haven't.

The last thing that Israel (or her cheerleaders in the US) want to see is a popular uprising that might quit helping Israel to oppress the Palestinians.

Keep this in mind as you watch the propaganda put out by the media and your government over the next several days.

It could be quite educational.
 
2011-01-28 01:02:41 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: devildog123: H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.

Aside from the initial taking of embassy hostages, can you describe any way in which Iran has actively and directly caused massive problems for America?

Unlike Iraq ... required TWO invasions
Unlike Afghanistan ... housing terrorism
Unlike Saudi Arabia ... breeding and funding terrorism
Unlike Yemen ... see Saudi Arabia

Iran is a farking rock. It's bullshiat posturing on both sides which keeps positive relations from moving forward.


It's their potential to cause massive harm, with a crazy in power.

I don't think invasion from the US is the answer, I think we should wait it out. It will take care of itself. If not let the Euros and Israelis handle it; it's their turn. Euro economy could use a boost.
 
2011-01-28 01:03:02 PM  
tralfaz-archives.com
 
2011-01-28 01:03:59 PM  
nothing like a central gov't building burning with no fire trucks in sight to scream out control and command.
 
2011-01-28 01:05:29 PM  

Farker T: Zeno-25: Yea, the lack of threads/discussion on Fark over these historic events is pathetic. Chalk it up to Green Iran Syndrome, I guess.


The Israeli Propaganda crowd is on the opposite side of the fence in this one.

Bought-and-sold at Camp David, Egypt has been working with Israel to help keep the Palestinians (and others in the region) in check for 30 years.

Egypt borders Gaza - they could have been helping these poor people as they have been crushed by Israel, but the haven't.

The last thing that Israel (or her cheerleaders in the US) want to see is a popular uprising that might quit helping Israel to oppress the Palestinians.

Keep this in mind as you watch the propaganda put out by the media and your government over the next several days.

It could be quite educational.


It would be great to see decades worth of the US's whole rotten foreign policy of manipulation and supporting repression in the Middle East come apart at the seams through a mass regional uprising. We're seeing it right in front of our eyes, and with things seemingly going quite well in Egypt I wonder if we'll be seeing scenes like this across the region by the beginning of next month.
 
2011-01-28 01:05:40 PM  
Been watching all day, Cairo and Suez are in full revolt.

Link (Al Jazeera)
 
2011-01-28 01:06:19 PM  
If you pretend it's pot smoke, it kinda looks like the Love Parade or a Hemp rally
cache.boston.com
UNCE UNCE UNCE UNCE
 
2011-01-28 01:07:01 PM  
Curiously absent in this thread:

www.flags.net
 
2011-01-28 01:08:00 PM  

Farker T: Zeno-25: Yea, the lack of threads/discussion on Fark over these historic events is pathetic. Chalk it up to Green Iran Syndrome, I guess.


The Israeli Propaganda crowd is on the opposite side of the fence in this one.

Bought-and-sold at Camp David, Egypt has been working with Israel to help keep the Palestinians (and others in the region) in check for 30 years.

Egypt borders Gaza - they could have been helping these poor people as they have been crushed by Israel, but the haven't.

The last thing that Israel (or her cheerleaders in the US) want to see is a popular uprising that might quit helping Israel to oppress the Palestinians.

Keep this in mind as you watch the propaganda put out by the media and your government over the next several days.

It could be quite educational.


Not only has Egypt not helped the Palestinians, they kicked them out of Egypt in '48. No one want the Palestinians, neither do I.


Link (Egypt's Oppression, oxford journal)
 
2011-01-28 01:08:19 PM  

Kirk's_Toupee: Go Egyptian peoples!


Go Egyptian people? This violence is inflamed by Al Jazeera in an attempt to facilitate the overthrow of as many Western-backed Arab governments as possible. I don't think we should be cheering that on.
 
2011-01-28 01:09:34 PM  

i rule 34: herrDrFarkenstein: devildog123: H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.

Aside from the initial taking of embassy hostages, can you describe any way in which Iran has actively and directly caused massive problems for America?

Unlike Iraq ... required TWO invasions
Unlike Afghanistan ... housing terrorism
Unlike Saudi Arabia ... breeding and funding terrorism
Unlike Yemen ... see Saudi Arabia

Iran is a farking rock. It's bullshiat posturing on both sides which keeps positive relations from moving forward.

It's their potential to cause massive harm, with a crazy in power.

I don't think invasion from the US is the answer, I think we should wait it out. It will take care of itself. If not let the Euros and Israelis handle it; it's their turn. Euro economy could use a boost.


Please. We work with Iran every day under the table to keep Iraq and Afghanistan from falling apart on their huge borders with Iran and to keep Iran from having an influx of criminal activity. Nobody talks about it because both governments have staked too much in their public performance of hatred.

The theocratic portion of the Iranian government gets weaker every year, and they have a very stable democracy otherwise. The moment we normalize relations with them and say "hey, let's make up" the mullah's ability to justify repression will dissolve and they'll be removed by their own people peacefully or otherwise.

Iran has a well-educated, internationally minded, and fairly secular population who will boot their theocratic national government the moment they have proof that there is nothing to fear from America.
 
2011-01-28 01:11:11 PM  
The government of Egypt is falling and this thread only has 260 (plus) comments?
 
2011-01-28 01:11:33 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: i rule 34: herrDrFarkenstein: devildog123: H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.

Aside from the initial taking of embassy hostages, can you describe any way in which Iran has actively and directly caused massive problems for America?

Unlike Iraq ... required TWO invasions
Unlike Afghanistan ... housing terrorism
Unlike Saudi Arabia ... breeding and funding terrorism
Unlike Yemen ... see Saudi Arabia

Iran is a farking rock. It's bullshiat posturing on both sides which keeps positive relations from moving forward.

It's their potential to cause massive harm, with a crazy in power.

I don't think invasion from the US is the answer, I think we should wait it out. It will take care of itself. If not let the Euros and Israelis handle it; it's their turn. Euro economy could use a boost.

Please. We work with Iran every day under the table to keep Iraq and Afghanistan from falling apart on their huge borders with Iran and to keep Iran from having an influx of criminal activity. Nobody talks about it because both governments have staked too much in their public performance of hatred.

The theocratic portion of the Iranian government gets weaker every year, and they have a very stable democracy otherwise. The moment we normalize relations with them and say "hey, let's make up" the mullah's ability to justify repression will dissolve and they'll be removed by their own people peacefully or otherwise.

Iran has a well-educated, internationally minded, and fairly secular population who will boot their theocratic national government the moment they have proof that there is nothing to fear from America.


Apparently after the last election Ahmadinejad (fark sp) now has more autonomy and has the clout to sometimes tell the mullahs to go suck a pipe (in a nice way).
 
2011-01-28 01:11:45 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: i rule 34: herrDrFarkenstein: devildog123: H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.

Aside from the initial taking of embassy hostages, can you describe any way in which Iran has actively and directly caused massive problems for America?

Unlike Iraq ... required TWO invasions
Unlike Afghanistan ... housing terrorism
Unlike Saudi Arabia ... breeding and funding terrorism
Unlike Yemen ... see Saudi Arabia

Iran is a farking rock. It's bullshiat posturing on both sides which keeps positive relations from moving forward.

It's their potential to cause massive harm, with a crazy in power.

I don't think invasion from the US is the answer, I think we should wait it out. It will take care of itself. If not let the Euros and Israelis handle it; it's their turn. Euro economy could use a boost.

Please. We work with Iran every day under the table to keep Iraq and Afghanistan from falling apart on their huge borders with Iran and to keep Iran from having an influx of criminal activity. Nobody talks about it because both governments have staked too much in their public performance of hatred.

The theocratic portion of the Iranian government gets weaker every year, and they have a very stable democracy otherwise. The moment we normalize relations with them and say "hey, let's make up" the mullah's ability to justify repression will dissolve and they'll be removed by their own people peacefully or otherwise.

Iran has a well-educated, internationally minded, and fairly secular population who will boot their theocratic national government the moment they have proof that there is nothing to fear from America.


That was my point. It should take care of itself.
 
2011-01-28 01:12:08 PM  
Hmmm, Druge has a link to large protests in Albania

Link (new window)

"TENS of thousands of demonstrators have started a silent protest in the Albanian capital Tirana, a week to the day after clashes during an opposition rally killed three.

The demonstrators, headed by the leadership of the opposition Socialists and the families of the victims, started a march on the government buildings. People continued to pour into the downtown area near the government, bringing traffic in central Tirana to a standstill.
."
 
2011-01-28 01:12:11 PM  

ignatiusst: Kirk's_Toupee: Go Egyptian peoples!

Go Egyptian people? This violence is inflamed by Al Jazeera in an attempt to facilitate the overthrow of as many Western-backed Arab governments as possible. I don't think we should be cheering that on.


faqsmedia.ign.com
 
2011-01-28 01:12:42 PM  
I like how Fark's anti-srmite brigade is bringing Israel into this. Especially the 'attack now Israel!' retards.

Yeah replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.
 
2011-01-28 01:12:59 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein:
That's stupid. We prop up those "crazy" governments with money and they give us that oil. What does Israel give us?


Israel is the number two technology startup country in the world trailing only the United States. A lot of those companies are funded at least partially by US companies. They are #2 in the world for raising venture capital behind the US. Everything from how you store your data to how you get your phone bill is strongly rooted in Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging). In fact last year Israel had 300 times more hi-tech patents than China. They are also home to 3500 hi-tech companies. Per capita they have more college degrees than any other country in the world and are number 3 in the world for total degrees. They have more scientists and engineers per capita than any other country in the world.

All that while living in the center of a hotbed of hate and constantly fighting in various conflicts.
 
2011-01-28 01:13:25 PM  
1808: CBS Radio News Amoona tweets: "The entire staff of the Israeli Embassy in Cairo has been evacuated by helicopters."
 
2011-01-28 01:14:16 PM  

schief2: ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.

Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.


No, I think it's a lot better in the long run, because it will validate the concept that the citizenry is powerful enough to overturn corrupt regimes. One of the main problems with Middle East countries is that a lot of people are very fatalistic, and have accepted that corrupt regimes cannot be toppled. But if people see that it can happen, then that might encourage them to do it more often. Yes, lots of people will die in the process, and it's truly horrible to have that kind of violence and mob action, but I thinks it's better for the Egyptians to purge themselves of that corrupt government.
 
2011-01-28 01:15:08 PM  

netweavr: The whole: "OKAY! TIME OUT EVERYONE! Let us pray" thing is really surreal.


It really is, huh. It's also the type of thing that will disappear in a democracy. But if that's the worst thing to come from it, I suppose if you just be good, you'll be fine.

Personally, I think we all just need a do-over with this whole civilization thing.
 
2011-01-28 01:16:53 PM  
wow. One man (almost)stops army/police advance.

Like China's Tank Man?

Link (new window) (video 3 mins)
 
2011-01-28 01:17:08 PM  

Balder333: 1808: CBS Radio News Amoona tweets: "The entire staff of the Israeli Embassy in Cairo has been evacuated by helicopters."


Americans continue to cower in the basement
 
2011-01-28 01:17:37 PM  
Woah, at first it looked like Egypt's uprising was going to fizzle out, but now it looks like it may topple the government after all.

It's not over by a longshot, even if they do succeed at ousting the current president. Creating a decent democracy will be another battle in itself, but I not impossible I suppose.
 
2011-01-28 01:18:20 PM  

PghThermal: Balder333: 1808: CBS Radio News Amoona tweets: "The entire staff of the Israeli Embassy in Cairo has been evacuated by helicopters."

Americans continue to cower in the basement


We aren't cowering. We're playing WoW.
 
2011-01-28 01:18:46 PM  

Huggermugger: schief2: ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.

Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.

No, I think it's a lot better in the long run, because it will validate the concept that the citizenry is powerful enough to overturn corrupt regimes. One of the main problems with Middle East countries is that a lot of people are very fatalistic, and have accepted that corrupt regimes cannot be toppled. But if people see that it can happen, then that might encourage them to do it more often. Yes, lots of people will die in the process, and it's truly horrible to have that kind of violence and mob action, but I thinks it's better for the Egyptians to purge themselves of that corrupt government.


I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the reality is that, without these semi-dictorial regimes in place, where are we (the West) going to get the oil to operate our economy? If the religious fundies take over, they aren't going to sell oil to the US, England, or any of our allies. That will cause a US-backed war - or should I say that will cause another US-backed war - for oil.
 
2011-01-28 01:19:20 PM  

JonnyG: netweavr: The whole: "OKAY! TIME OUT EVERYONE! Let us pray" thing is really surreal.

It really is, huh. It's also the type of thing that will disappear in a democracy. But if that's the worst thing to come from it, I suppose if you just be good, you'll be fine.

Personally, I think we all just need a do-over with this whole civilization thing.


It's not that they are very civilized, it's that they are scared to death of invisible forces.


It's not like they are having afternoon tea.
 
2011-01-28 01:19:24 PM  
The military response here is really reminding me of 1989.

... That was over 20 years ago.

Now I feel old.
 
2011-01-28 01:20:08 PM  

TappingTheVein: I like how Fark's anti-srmite brigade is bringing Israel into this. Especially the 'attack now Israel!' retards.

Yeah replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.



Yes, losing control of your water-schlepping golem could be disastrous.

What would be worse is if the American public (and others) realize how Israel and her 'American' operatives have been manipulating the US for all these years to further Israeli interests.

You'd better play this one gingerly, Tappy. shiat could really hit the fan.
 
2011-01-28 01:20:53 PM  
Fitting old classic?

Sisterhood - Finland Red, Egypt White (new window)
 
2011-01-28 01:21:23 PM  

netweavr: The military response here is really reminding me of 1989.

... That was over 20 years ago.

Now I feel am old.


FTFY
 
2011-01-28 01:21:34 PM  
Why is this thread tagged with Norton LiveUpdate?
 
2011-01-28 01:21:46 PM  
*1991 not 1989
 
2011-01-28 01:22:14 PM  
I'm mildly amused by the fact that Gasoline by Audioslave came on my iPod just now.
 
2011-01-28 01:22:24 PM  

netweavr: *1991 not 1989


You're still old
 
2011-01-28 01:22:27 PM  
1812: German Chancellor Angela Merkel has joined those urging the Egyptian government to allow peaceful protests. The stability of Egypt is extremely important, she says, "but not at the price of freedom of expression".

What? Seriously? I wonder if she would feel the same if skin-heads were rioting in Berlin.
 
2011-01-28 01:22:38 PM  
Basji trained miltia are on motorcycles, clubbing folks
clatl.com
 
2011-01-28 01:22:42 PM  

xynix: herrDrFarkenstein:
That's stupid. We prop up those "crazy" governments with money and they give us that oil. What does Israel give us?


Israel is the number two technology startup country in the world trailing only the United States. A lot of those companies are funded at least partially by US companies. They are #2 in the world for raising venture capital behind the US. Everything from how you store your data to how you get your phone bill is strongly rooted in Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging). In fact last year Israel had 300 times more hi-tech patents than China. They are also home to 3500 hi-tech companies. Per capita they have more college degrees than any other country in the world and are number 3 in the world for total degrees. They have more scientists and engineers per capita than any other country in the world.

All that while living in the center of a hotbed of hate and constantly fighting in various conflicts.


That had nothing to do with any sort of enlightened foresight on the part of the Israeli government. Their tech boom bubbled out of the mass immigration of tens of thousands of Russian Jews with high tech training.
 
2011-01-28 01:23:12 PM  

xynix: Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging).


Citation needed.
 
2011-01-28 01:24:03 PM  

ignatiusst: 1812: German Chancellor Angela Merkel has joined those urging the Egyptian government to allow peaceful protests. The stability of Egypt is extremely important, she says, "but not at the price of freedom of expression".

What? Seriously? I wonder if she would feel the same if skin-heads were rioting in Berlin.


note the highlighted word. same BS Hillary put out an hour ago
 
2011-01-28 01:24:28 PM  

ignatiusst: What? Seriously? I wonder if she would feel the same if skin-heads were rioting in Berlin.


Well, the one thing I bet Germany wouldn't do is attempt their best to essentially create a media blackout of the riots and their response to them.

Let the world see for themselves "damn, those skinheads are jackasses".
 
2011-01-28 01:25:30 PM  
After fleeing a police charge in Cairo, elderly protester Mohammed Taha tells Reuters news agency: "This protest is not going to stop. They won't and can't trick the people again and give us some lame concessions. Hosni has to go. I am 70 years old, I am going to die, but these people have to fight to live."

So he's saying they won't be fooled again?

YEAAAAAAAH!
 
2011-01-28 01:25:43 PM  

aug3: Basji trained miltia are on motorcycles, clubbing folks


God I missed that photo. Guinness Book of World Records: where I got my education before the internet came around.
 
2011-01-28 01:25:57 PM  

jigger: xynix: Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging).

Citation needed.


Israel invented the question mark. They have legislation which prevents chestnuts from being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.
 
2011-01-28 01:26:46 PM  

jigger: xynix: Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging).

Citation needed.


Well, maybe not those things...

But they DID invent the #1 monotheistic SKY GOD that has created more mayhem and bloodshed than any other.

Give 'em credit for that.
 
2011-01-28 01:26:48 PM  
I think this link was posted earlier, but in case it hasn't or if some haven't seen it yet here:

Al-Jazeera English Live Feed of the Protests (new window)
 
2011-01-28 01:26:50 PM  

Farker T: Yes, losing control of your water-schlepping golem could be disastrous.


Since you missed it i'll repeat:
replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.

Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?

Farker T: how Israel and her 'American' operatives have been manipulating the US for all these years to further Israeli interests.

You'd better play this one gingerly, Tappy. shiat could really hit the fan.


Yeah, this is all about Israel in the Israeli cabal manipulating everyone.
 
2011-01-28 01:27:09 PM  
The Suez Canal was nice.
 
2011-01-28 01:27:27 PM  
www.clevver.com

/disapproves
//"I don't care where you put them (the pyramids) but give them back."
 
2011-01-28 01:28:00 PM  

PghThermal: ignatiusst: 1812: German Chancellor Angela Merkel has joined those urging the Egyptian government to allow peaceful protests. The stability of Egypt is extremely important, she says, "but not at the price of freedom of expression".

What? Seriously? I wonder if she would feel the same if skin-heads were rioting in Berlin.

note the highlighted word. same BS Hillary put out an hour ago


Marbarak and the protesters couldn't care less what these guys are saying.
 
2011-01-28 01:28:33 PM  

TappingTheVein: Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?


How about you apply your logic and knowledge of contemporary Egyptian politics and explain why you think one is more likely than the other?
 
2011-01-28 01:31:58 PM  

Jamespoon: How about you apply your logic and knowledge of contemporary Egyptian politics and explain why you think one is more likely than the other?


Common sense to a middle eastern native.
I wish they would elect a modern democratic government, it would benefit everyone.
 
2011-01-28 01:33:52 PM  
1831: Sultan al-Qassemi tweets: "Protestors have stormed Egyptian TV building&have destroyed some equipment. Helicopter is arriving. #Jan25."
 
2011-01-28 01:34:12 PM  
So the main page is reporting that there are 300+ posts but the thread only show 297. Do I have to have UltraFa++++++++CARRIER LOST++++++++
 
2011-01-28 01:34:46 PM  

TappingTheVein: Farker T: Yes, losing control of your water-schlepping golem could be disastrous.

TappingTheVein: Since you missed it i'll repeat:
replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.

Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?



Considering the way you've made your bed, I'm not surprised that you wouldn't want to lay in it.


Farker T: how Israel and her 'American' operatives have been manipulating the US for all these years to further Israeli interests.

You'd better play this one gingerly, Tappy. shiat could really hit the fan.

TappingTheVein: Yeah, this is all about Israel in the Israeli cabal manipulating everyone.


Yes, it is, effectively.

The pendulum may swing the other way, and it could get messy for a while, but it's about time that the world stop suffering for the sake of your collective ethnocentric ego.
 
fnu
2011-01-28 01:34:46 PM  
in the Iranian mess I saw a lot of women on the streets up there in it. All the footage I'm seeing on Al-Jazeera are men, men, men. Where are the chicks this time?
 
2011-01-28 01:34:56 PM  

Teknowaffle: Limbofark: Strange to think that much of this is more or less directly caused by Tunesian police bullying a street vendor.

So he was bullied by a woman, then set himself on fire?

Usually when I was humiliated by a woman I went home, cried, then jerked off.


That's what started that whole shiat, some pussy who couldn't handle a woman messing with him? And here I thought American snowflakes were bad.
 
2011-01-28 01:35:20 PM  

jigger: xynix: Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging).

Citation needed.


Motorola Israel where they were running their R&D at the time.. Is what it is.
 
2011-01-28 01:35:28 PM  

TappingTheVein: Farker T: Yes, losing control of your water-schlepping golem could be disastrous.

Since you missed it i'll repeat:
replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.

Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?

Farker T: how Israel and her 'American' operatives have been manipulating the US for all these years to further Israeli interests.

You'd better play this one gingerly, Tappy. shiat could really hit the fan.

Yeah, this is all about Israel in the Israeli cabal manipulating everyone.


Is there any information that suggest that the protests and revolutions are being spurred on by islamic fundamentalists? Last I heard, this has nothing to do with religious fundamentalists and everything to do with the fact that the people don't want to live under a repressive regime anymore.
 
2011-01-28 01:35:54 PM  

ignatiusst: I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the reality is that, without these semi-dictorial regimes in place, where are we (the West) going to get the oil to operate our economy? If the religious fundies take over, they aren't going to sell oil to the US, England, or any of our allies. That will cause a US-backed war - or should I say that will cause another US-backed war - for oil.


So instead, we continue back dictators and royals who horribly oppress their people while allowing extreme religiosity to flourish; using it to serve their dual purposes of an outlet for political frustration and a counterweight to any desire for regime change. And when the day of reckoning finally comes to the despot, Americans are inexorably tied to him as an enabler of his regime, and have no moral authority press the revolutionaries for democratic and secular government, sympathetic to Western desires. The result of our policies not only assist in the oppression of a people, they also serve to enhance the credibility of the religious extremists when that regime inevitably falls.

Strange game. Seems like the only winning move is not to play.
 
2011-01-28 01:36:49 PM  

LawrencePerson: Found a few more live-update sources and listed them here.

Sadly, Al Jazeera requires RealPlayer, and Homey Don't Play That...


People still use RealPlayer?
 
2011-01-28 01:37:49 PM  

ignatiusst: Huggermugger: schief2: ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.

Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.

No, I think it's a lot better in the long run, because it will validate the concept that the citizenry is powerful enough to overturn corrupt regimes. One of the main problems with Middle East countries is that a lot of people are very fatalistic, and have accepted that corrupt regimes cannot be toppled. But if people see that it can happen, then that might encourage them to do it more often. Yes, lots of people will die in the process, and it's truly horrible to have that kind of violence and mob action, but I thinks it's better for the Egyptians to purge themselves of that corrupt government.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the reality is that, without these semi-dictorial regimes in place, where are we (the West) going to get the oil to operate our economy? If the religious fundies take over, they aren't going to sell oil to the US, England, or any of our allies. That will cause a US-backed war - or should I say that will cause another US-backed war - for oil.


First of all, Egypt doesn't have any oil. The smaller Gulf States, outside of Iran and Iraq, are relatively stable. The fundies would also probably sell oil too, since they need the $$. But I think it would also be good for us too, in the long run, if we are finally confronted with the reality that we simply cannot rely on fossil fuels from the ME to sustain our lifestyle. I am boggled that I'm old enough to remember the first oil crisis in the early 70s, and then not a farking thing has happened since; the USA is in a perpetual state of collective amnesia, we never seem to learn any lessons. Now that the Bush/Cheney crony government is out of power, and the teabaggers are too preoccupied tried to rewrite the Constitution and redefine rape, maybe we can have some leadership here that isn't motivated purely by helping oil industry executives to become even more obscenely wealthy, and we can focus on finding alternative fuel sources.
 
2011-01-28 01:38:11 PM  
Government statements (summarized)

Egypt: "There are no protests, there is nothing to see here."
Israel: "I less than three you Egypt."
US: "We support the people and Twitter."
 
2011-01-28 01:38:47 PM  

Latinwolf: LawrencePerson: Found a few more live-update sources and listed them here.

Sadly, Al Jazeera requires RealPlayer, and Homey Don't Play That...

People still use RealPlayer?


I'd rather listen to music in Winamp and play my Dreamcast.
 
2011-01-28 01:38:55 PM  

Farker T: Yes, it is, effectively.


From all the anti-semitic rants you choose the classics ? how quaint.

Farker T: The pendulum may swing the other way, and it could get messy for a while, but it's about time that the world stop suffering for the sake of your collective ethnocentric ego.


Yeah, world suffering, Israel cabal, ethnocentric ego ? this is new.
You still haven't answered my question for some reason.
 
2011-01-28 01:40:21 PM  
RexTalionis
Is there any information that suggest that the protests and revolutions are being spurred on by islamic fundamentalists? Last I heard, this has nothing to do with religious fundamentalists and everything to do with the fact that the people don't want to live under a repressive regime anymore./i>

Your understanding is exactly how the BBC reported it the last couple of days. The Muslim Brotherhood interviewee said they had joined as "participants not organizers".

Still doesn't say who gets sucked into the power vaccuum if the govt falls.
 
2011-01-28 01:40:26 PM  
With all this talk about the fundies taking over, doesn't it make sense that the American position would go a long way in influencing the political outcome over there in the event of a regime collapse?

Right now, Egyptians are a bit pissed that we are staying relatively non-committed in this situation. If there actually is a revolution, would they actually want to be our friends after that kind of treatment? If they don't, who would they turn to instead?

Yes, we are making our own bed right now.
 
2011-01-28 01:40:59 PM  

TappingTheVein: Jamespoon: How about you apply your logic and knowledge of contemporary Egyptian politics and explain why you think one is more likely than the other?

Common sense to a middle eastern native.
I wish they would elect a modern democratic better puppet government, it would benefit everyone Israel.


Honesty is the best policy, Tappy.
 
2011-01-28 01:41:43 PM  
Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Sure, it's nice to depose a dictator, but sometimes the dictator is all that is keeping the fundies from taking over. Even in a democracy it can happen - which is why Musharraf took over in Pakistan.

However, I don't profess to know the relative strengths of the various forces that will be involved in shaping the future of Egypt. Take what I say with a grain of salt.
 
2011-01-28 01:42:04 PM  

xynix: jigger: xynix: Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging).

Citation needed.

Motorola Israel where they were running their R&D at the time.. Is what it is.



So NOT Bell Labs?

Different parts of the technology were invented in lots of different places. Bell Labs, Motorola, etc. No one company can claim to have wholly invented the cell phone. Maybe Motorola Israel invented some part of the whole technology, but you can't make the claim that "Israel invented the cell phone." And actually I can't find any link to Israel having anything to do with it.

http://www.cellular.co.za/cellphone_inventor.htm

http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa070899.htm
 
2011-01-28 01:42:09 PM  
Oh chooch protestors have stormed Al Arabiya!
 
2011-01-28 01:42:15 PM  

RexTalionis: Is there any information that suggest that the protests and revolutions are being spurred on by islamic fundamentalists?


No, i'll repeat:
Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?

The protests started by the educated out of a job middle class who are fed up with Mubarak's dictatorship.

By the way, Jordan seems to be next.
 
2011-01-28 01:42:46 PM  
US news coverage is totally pathetic, the talking heads on all networks are basically leeching off of the Al Jazeera feed.

i.imgur.com

Deserves a Pulitzer.
 
2011-01-28 01:43:04 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria: Anyone know a link that is iPhone friendly? No real Internet connection in a while, so I don't have the latest flash player. Maybe someone knows a YouTube channel that is constantly being updated ?

Hell, I'll settle for a blog that is being contantly updated.

/apologies if this has already been covered


Link (new window)
 
2011-01-28 01:44:18 PM  

TappingTheVein: Farker T: Yes, it is, effectively.

From all the anti-semitic rants you choose the classics ? how quaint.

Farker T: The pendulum may swing the other way, and it could get messy for a while, but it's about time that the world stop suffering for the sake of your collective ethnocentric ego.

Yeah, world suffering, Israel cabal, ethnocentric ego ? this is new.
You still haven't answered my question for some reason.



Spades is spades Tappy, and will be called out as such.

/Your sarcastic Semitic sniveling notwithstanding
 
2011-01-28 01:44:42 PM  

Farker T: Honesty is the best policy, Tappy.


Hey whatever you say. Now excuse me i have to participate in the Friday sermon of the Jewish Cabal(tm). Tonight is muslim blood matzah night.
 
2011-01-28 01:45:47 PM  

TappingTheVein: RexTalionis: Is there any information that suggest that the protests and revolutions are being spurred on by islamic fundamentalists?

No, i'll repeat:
Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?


So, if I interpret that comment correctly, what you're saying is that you have no evidence, either, and are engaged in speculation.

That certainly answers my question whether there is any information to indicate that the revolution is being spurred on by religious fundamentalists.
 
2011-01-28 01:45:53 PM  

TappingTheVein: Who do you think will fill the void; a modern, western democracy, or the local Islamic nutjobs?


FTFY, like, really.
 
2011-01-28 01:46:15 PM  

Farker T: Spades is spades Tappy, and will be called out as such.


Anti-semitic rants aside, you still haven't answered my question.
 
2011-01-28 01:46:49 PM  

netweavr: Al Jazeera reporter just admitted to sending people out in violation of curfew.

Smart move, that one.


So the reporter is now involving himself in the story. He's supposed to report the story, not make himself part of the story. Of course he could be doing so in the hopes of making better headlines.
 
2011-01-28 01:47:54 PM  

TappingTheVein: Farker T: Spades is spades Tappy, and will be called out as such.

Anti-semitic rants aside, you still haven't answered my question.


Must be so much fun to be able to play this game...

Sorry, just felt like I needed to let that one out.
 
2011-01-28 01:48:58 PM  

epoc_tnac: netweavr: Al Jazeera reporter just admitted to sending people out in violation of curfew.

Smart move, that one.

Doesn't seem like anyone else is obeying the curfew. How else are they meant to report the news?


I took this as that reported was encouraging people to go out and violate the curfew in the hopes of turning this into a more exciting story.
 
2011-01-28 01:48:58 PM  
Reports of the army coming in an fighting the police. The army is not enforcing the curfew.

desmond.yfrog.com
 
2011-01-28 01:49:22 PM  
Wow, NDP headquarters being looted.
 
2011-01-28 01:49:41 PM  
They're looting the government buildings.
 
2011-01-28 01:49:45 PM  

RexTalionis: So, if I interpret that comment correctly, what you're saying is that you have no evidence, either, and are engaged in speculation.


Where exactly did i say the opposite ?

RexTalionis: That certainly answers my question whether there is any information to indicate that the revolution is being spurred on by religious fundamentalists.


Already said that it's not. I'll repeat:
The protests started by the educated out of a job middle class who are fed up with Mubarak's dictatorship.
 
2011-01-28 01:50:18 PM  

PghThermal: RexTalionis
Is there any information that suggest that the protests and revolutions are being spurred on by islamic fundamentalists? Last I heard, this has nothing to do with religious fundamentalists and everything to do with the fact that the people don't want to live under a repressive regime anymore./i>

Your understanding is exactly how the BBC reported it the last couple of days. The Muslim Brotherhood interviewee said they had joined as "participants not organizers".

Still doesn't say who gets sucked into the power vaccuum if the govt falls.


Would Turkish media give a straight answer? I think Al Jazzeria reach is a little too broad to label fundamentalists.
 
2011-01-28 01:51:04 PM  

TappingTheVein: RexTalionis: That certainly answers my question whether there is any information to indicate that the revolution is being spurred on by religious fundamentalists.

Already said that it's not. I'll repeat:
The protests started by the educated out of a job middle class who are fed up with Mubarak's dictatorship.


So what are you actually worried about? Is it Israeli security or what?
 
2011-01-28 01:51:05 PM  

Zeno-25: Reports of the army coming in an fighting the police. The army is not enforcing the curfew.


If Mubarak lost the army, he's finished.
 
fnu
2011-01-28 01:51:32 PM  
NDP building being looted on Al-jazeera now.
 
2011-01-28 01:52:13 PM  

Zeno-25: Reports of the army coming in an fighting the police. The army is not enforcing the curfew.


I have only seen those reports coming from Al Jazeera. Are there any other news agencies backing that claim up? Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.
 
2011-01-28 01:52:45 PM  

Latinwolf: epoc_tnac: netweavr: Al Jazeera reporter just admitted to sending people out in violation of curfew.

Smart move, that one.

Doesn't seem like anyone else is obeying the curfew. How else are they meant to report the news?

I took this as that reported was encouraging people to go out and violate the curfew in the hopes of turning this into a more exciting story.


That didn't happen.
 
2011-01-28 01:53:02 PM  
Apparently Suez is going up in flames too. Who do we expect to flex their nuts to keep the canal open?
 
2011-01-28 01:53:45 PM  
Say what you will about Al-Jazeera, but their reporting from that region is of the highest class right now.
 
2011-01-28 01:55:04 PM  

Jamespoon: So what are you actually worried about? Is it Israeli security or what?


The local branch of Egypt's Islamic Brotherhood, AKA Hamas, is kinda violent when it comes to Israel. Now picture that on a national scale.
 
2011-01-28 01:55:29 PM  

ignatiusst: Zeno-25: Reports of the army coming in an fighting the police. The army is not enforcing the curfew.

I have only seen those reports coming from Al Jazeera. Are there any other news agencies backing that claim up? Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.


Al Jazeera, booga booga!

Seriously, they are pretty much the only source of good, live info coming out of Egypt. Why don't you watch the live feed and see what's actually happening instead of biatching about some anti-American agenda.
 
2011-01-28 01:56:20 PM  
Jeebus. I hope they don't loot the museum. :(

Hey Hawass, still want to bring the Nefertiti bust back?
 
2011-01-28 01:56:28 PM  

Zeno-25: ignatiusst: Zeno-25: Reports of the army coming in an fighting the police. The army is not enforcing the curfew.

I have only seen those reports coming from Al Jazeera. Are there any other news agencies backing that claim up? Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.

Al Jazeera, booga booga!

Seriously, they are pretty much the only source of good, live info coming out of Egypt. Why don't you watch the live feed and see what's actually happening instead of biatching about some anti-American agenda.


Link (new window)

That's a news source I trust. Al Jazeera is not.
 
2011-01-28 01:57:23 PM  

TappingTheVein: Jamespoon: So what are you actually worried about? Is it Israeli security or what?

The local branch of Egypt's Islamic Brotherhood, AKA Hamas, is kinda violent when it comes to Israel. Now picture that on a national scale.


Do you feel that at the current moment, Egyptian sympathy towards them can be influenced by those that they consider to be their enemies?
 
2011-01-28 01:58:19 PM  
Just so you know..

1857: Washington advises American citizens to postpone any scheduled trips to Egypt, AFP reports.
 
2011-01-28 01:58:29 PM  
Reporters don't have to automatically do what the government tells them - and may be willing to risk legal consequences.

None of us has to automatically do what we're told, it's just often the path of least resistance.
 
2011-01-28 01:58:32 PM  

www.independent.co.uk

TEAR GAS OVER THE NILE


cache.boston.com



This is a five thousand year old civilization. It has existed since the dawn of Western History. Now let's see how they can handle a little social-media unrest. My guess is the government and the people of Egypt will arrive at a solution. Nobody messes with Egypt, not even Egyptians.

However, "turning off the internet" is extremely bad for business in this day and age. I hope they can resolve this quickly before it costs them billions of dollars in down time.
 
2011-01-28 01:58:59 PM  
Well, my girlfriend and I were planning on visiting Egypt in the summer. Looks like we might delay those plans till next year or something.
 
2011-01-28 01:59:00 PM  

Jamespoon: Anti-semitic rants aside, you still haven't answered my question.

Must be so much fun to be able to play this game...

Sorry, just felt like I needed to let that one out.


Yeah i never met Farker T before and never exposed him as a delusional anti-semite turd.

You must be new.
 
2011-01-28 01:59:28 PM  

i54.tinypic.com
Mubarak seen fleeing the country.




/not really Mubarak
 
2011-01-28 02:00:20 PM  

TappingTheVein: Jamespoon: Anti-semitic rants aside, you still haven't answered my question.

Must be so much fun to be able to play this game...

Sorry, just felt like I needed to let that one out.

Yeah i never met Farker T before and never exposed him as a delusional anti-semite turd.

You must be new.


I usually stay away from the Israel threads.
 
2011-01-28 02:01:31 PM  

ignatiusst: Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.


Citation needed.
 
2011-01-28 02:01:46 PM  

TappingTheVein: Jamespoon: So what are you actually worried about? Is it Israeli security or what?

The local branch of Egypt's Islamic Brotherhood, AKA Hamas, is kinda violent when it comes to Israel. Now picture that on a national scale.



Thanks for that candid admission, Tappy.

You care for ISRAEL FIRST, last and always.

The rest of the world be damned.
 
2011-01-28 02:03:04 PM  

Blues_X: ignatiusst: Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.

Citation needed.


Posted it earlier in the thread, but here it is again (from a real news source): Link (new window)
 
2011-01-28 02:03:06 PM  

ignatiusst: That's a news source I trust. Al Jazeera is not.


FTFA: In many ways, it is Al Jazeera's moment - not only because of the role it has played, but also because the channel has helped to shape a narrative of popular rage against oppressive American-backed Arab governments (and against Israel) ever since its founding 15 years ago. That narrative has long been implicit in the channel's heavy emphasis on Arab suffering and political crisis, its screaming-match talk shows, even its sensational news banners and swelling orchestral accompaniments.

Are you kidding me? They are criticising Al Jazeera for being a normal news outlet, except with a focus on the middle east. If anything, my experience watching Al Jazeera suggests that it is more even-handed in it's approach than any American news network. I guess they just focus on the wrong things, and that makes them bad.
 
2011-01-28 02:03:34 PM  

Jamespoon: Well, my girlfriend and I were planning on visiting Egypt in the summer. Looks like we might delay those plans till next year or something.


Ha ha, and the day the news broke about Tunisia I was researching a trip to Tunis. I think I'll be going to Tel-Aviv now, or London is I still really want to see Muslims in their natural habitat.
 
2011-01-28 02:04:53 PM  

ignatiusst: Blues_X: ignatiusst: Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.

Citation needed.

Posted it earlier in the thread, but here it is again (from a real news source): Link (new window)



Thank you.
 
2011-01-28 02:05:08 PM  
BOMB IRAN EGYPT!

Fixed and Foxed.
 
2011-01-28 02:05:16 PM  

The Great Gazoo: However, I don't profess to know the relative strengths of the various forces that will be involved in shaping the future of Egypt.


Nobody does. Yet some people are quite self-assured that this is bad for the US and the region, and that it's only a matter of time before the Muslim Brotherhood takes over the government of Egypt. But I have yet to see or read of a protester screaming they need to retake Egypt for Allah, and instead are citing political and standard of living concerns.

Two questions the 'this is bad' contingent need to address to themselves: one, how did the Muslim Brotherhood Egypt come back to the fore in this decade when they had been constrained to the margins for decades before and two, why is there such a widespread assumption that the Muslim Brotherhood stands in waiting should Mubarak fall, when there is zero evidence that that is the most likely outcome? It's possible, but it's not likely, and it's most certainly a fait accompli should Mubarak be forced out.


Jamespoon: With all this talk about the fundies taking over, doesn't it make sense that the American position would go a long way in influencing the political outcome over there in the event of a regime collapse?

Right now, Egyptians are a bit pissed that we are staying relatively non-committed in this situation. If there actually is a revolution, would they actually want to be our friends after that kind of treatment? If they don't, who would they turn to instead?

Yes, we are making our own bed right now.


Very good point.
 
2011-01-28 02:05:52 PM  

epoc_tnac: Are you kidding me? They are criticising Al Jazeera for being a normal news outlet, except with a focus on the middle east. If anything, my experience watching Al Jazeera suggests that it is more even-handed in it's approach than any American news network. I guess they just focus on the wrong things, and that makes them bad.


I think the focus shouldn't be on the talking heads, but on: Since the fall of Tunisia's autocratic president, Al Jazeera's reporters and producers have spoken with pride of their role in the events.
 
2011-01-28 02:06:13 PM  

i rule 34: Jamespoon: Well, my girlfriend and I were planning on visiting Egypt in the summer. Looks like we might delay those plans till next year or something.

Ha ha, and the day the news broke about Tunisia I was researching a trip to Tunis. I think I'll be going to Tel-Aviv now, or London is I still really want to see Muslims in their natural habitat.


She lives in London right now, so I guess I have that covered anyway =P

Damn these calls for democracy!
 
2011-01-28 02:06:53 PM  
love of freedom > fear of islamic fundamentalism
 
2011-01-28 02:07:47 PM  
Mubarak still hasn't given his speech, which he was supposed to have given like 2 hours ago? Makes me wonder if he's dead/arrested/fleeing the country.
 
2011-01-28 02:07:53 PM  

ignatiusst:
Link (new window)

That's a news source I trust. Al Jazeera is not.


Al Jazeera is a creature of the region. You can argue that they are propaganda, but honestly the lives of a lot of Arabs do suck, and many of the American-backed governments over there are truly abhorrent. The fact that the alternatives may well be worse doesn't always excuse the support.

And as to the question of "creating rather than reporting the narrative", check out the line from your article.

"That narrative has long been implicit in the channel's heavy emphasis on Arab suffering and political crisis, its screaming-match talk shows, even its sensational news banners and swelling orchestral accompaniments."

Sub out one or two words and you have Fox news.
 
2011-01-28 02:08:19 PM  

ignatiusst: Blues_X: ignatiusst: Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.

Citation needed.

Posted it earlier in the thread, but here it is again (from a real news source): Link (new window)


From your cited article

"On Tuesday afternoon, as the street protests in Egypt were heating up, Al Jazeera was uncharacteristically slow to report them"

"And critics speculate that the network bowed to the diplomatic interests of the Qatari emir, its patron, by initially playing down the protests in Egypt."

"Since the fall of Tunisia's autocratic president, Al Jazeera's reporters and producers have spoken with pride of their role in the events. They also recognize that their reputation as a catalyst carries risks.

"I think we should be careful - I mean we shouldn't think that our role is to release the Arab people from oppression," said Mr. Krichen, the anchor.

"But I think we should also be careful not to avoid any popular movement. We should have our eyes open to capture any event that could be the start of the end of any dictator in the Arab world." "

Al-Jazeera is giving everyone an Arab perspective of what's going on for sure, but to not call them a real news network is completely disingenuous.
 
2011-01-28 02:08:47 PM  

ignatiusst: Blues_X: ignatiusst: Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.

Citation needed.

Posted it earlier in the thread, but here it is again (from a real news source): Link (new window)


It's asking me to register so I can't see the article but it looks like your real new source is one that employed Judy Miller to fan the flames with false reporting.
 
2011-01-28 02:08:52 PM  

Zeno-25: Mubarak still hasn't given his speech, which he was supposed to have given like 2 hours ago? Makes me wonder if he's dead/arrested/fleeing the country.


Not sure how he is to make that speech considering the internet is cut off and the state TV station is under attack.
 
2011-01-28 02:09:28 PM  
Some pics Link (new window) (warning: some blood)
 
2011-01-28 02:10:14 PM  

Farker T: TappingTheVein: Jamespoon: So what are you actually worried about? Is it Israeli security or what?

The local branch of Egypt's Islamic Brotherhood, AKA Hamas, is kinda violent when it comes to Israel. Now picture that on a national scale.


Thanks for that candid admission, Tappy.

You care for ISRAEL FIRST, last and always.

The rest of the world be damned.


If he's afraid for Israel's security because it's his home and he wants live in peace, then that's totally fine.

But Israel itself is not sacrosanct in any rational sense. If they have to sleep in the bed they make themselves, then so be it. That goes the same for the US as well. That said, this is a moment of opportunity for both of them.
 
2011-01-28 02:12:29 PM  
well i guess when the MB decides to join it becomes a real fun riot. of course considering that they are the best organized group in egypt that's not exactly surprising. i could live (or die) with them not seizing power. i blame this on the CIA. if they hadn't dicked around in iran and didn't see everything farking thing during the cold war as a moscow plot we might not have a bunch of fanatical mouth breathing camel raping farks wandering the middle east. instead we could have had moderate democratic states. thank god we suppressed all socialistic or nationalistic movements. ugh...

/can we please get out of the middle east.
//fark israel. fark iraq. fark afghanistan. fark iran. fark qatar. fark yemen. fark saudi arabia.
///they don't hate our freedoms, they hate our actions
 
2011-01-28 02:13:32 PM  
ignatiusst:Al Jazeera is a motivating factor behind a lot of the unrest in the region, lately, and I don't trust that they aren't just trying to fan the flames with false reporting.


Al Jazeera exists at the whim of the royal family of Qatar.

Why would they agitate for the overthrow of an autocratic ruler?
 
2011-01-28 02:13:33 PM  
The BBC is accusing the police of deliberately targeting its journalists.
 
2011-01-28 02:13:36 PM  
Whether or not the protestors are motivated by Islamic fundamentalism, once they have booted their president (who is undoubtedly an autocrat), there will be a big void.

Anyone who thinks some democratic type of government is going to spring up in Egypt as a result of this (as opposed to some kind of Islamic theocratic style government) has their head in the sand.

Mubarek is apparently fleeing the country, along with anyone related to him.

What else will take his place, except the common religious bonds of the people (which, if you're watching, you can see right in front of your face)?

It's also part of a regional process. Egypt has been a hold-out (supported by the U.S.). The longterm consequences of what's happening will be felt in the U.S., but a lot of people won't make the connection (glad to see, as usual, a fair number of very intelligent farkers on this thread - and happy to ignore the rest).
 
2011-01-28 02:13:58 PM  

netweavr: Zeno-25: Mubarak still hasn't given his speech, which he was supposed to have given like 2 hours ago? Makes me wonder if he's dead/arrested/fleeing the country.

Not sure how he is to make that speech considering the internet is cut off and the state TV station is under attack.


Yeah I think the objective at the moment is to secure those channels right now.

At the moment, it seems to be all the NDP buildings are not being successfully secured at all. The party offices are all totally farked.
 
2011-01-28 02:14:55 PM  

Farker T: Thanks for that candid admission, Tappy.

You care for ISRAEL FIRST, last and always.

The rest of the world be damned.


Yeah, candid admission. I was wrong, Hamas are not violent when it comes to Israel. They are big fans. They are more violent when it comes to Europe, as their charter clearly states.

Try Switching to decaff.
 
2011-01-28 02:15:22 PM  
I put up a few videos of the situation in Egypt I've found.

Reports are all over the place: the army has entered Alexandria and Sinai, curfew all over the country being ignored, police clashing with the army, dogs and cats sleeping together, mass hysteria.
 
2011-01-28 02:15:57 PM  

optimus_grime: love of freedom > fear of islamic fundamentalism


Love of freedom = Fear of Christian fundamentalism

That works also. And is equally or more so true.
 
2011-01-28 02:16:24 PM  

traylor: Some pics Link (new window) (warning: some blood)


wow. powerful pictures.
 
2011-01-28 02:16:32 PM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Whether or not the protestors are motivated by Islamic fundamentalism, once they have booted their president (who is undoubtedly an autocrat), there will be a big void.

Anyone who thinks some democratic type of government is going to spring up in Egypt as a result of this (as opposed to some kind of Islamic theocratic style government) has their head in the sand.

Mubarek is apparently fleeing the country, along with anyone related to him.

What else will take his place, except the common religious bonds of the people (which, if you're watching, you can see right in front of your face)?

It's also part of a regional process. Egypt has been a hold-out (supported by the U.S.). The longterm consequences of what's happening will be felt in the U.S., but a lot of people won't make the connection (glad to see, as usual, a fair number of very intelligent farkers on this thread - and happy to ignore the rest).


See the difference is that unlike some other Middle Eastern countries that have fallen to revolution, Egypt has a very viable political opposition, including a very popular Nobel Laureate.
 
2011-01-28 02:20:02 PM  

ignatiusst: I think the focus shouldn't be on the talking heads, but on: Since the fall of Tunisia's autocratic president, Al Jazeera's reporters and producers have spoken with pride of their role in the events.


The media naturally plays a role in the flow of events. If you show people protests on the streets (as Al Jazeera has tonight) then it will have a different effect than if you show a peaceful shot of the skyline in Cairo (as Egyptian state TV did tonight). Al Jazeera is just reporting that which it decides as newsworthy, and the people react to the news however they react. To accuse them of 'encouraging' protests is entirely dishonest, since they are just doing their job, which is to report what is happening, and not only that, they are doing it better than any Western news network can right now.

They are not telling anyone what to do any more than CNN does. However, if you take an absurdly America-centric view to news, I can understand why it might be upsetting to have an alternative viewpoint available for a particular story.
 
2011-01-28 02:20:48 PM  

traylor: Some pics Link (new window) (warning: some blood)


Thanks for the pics - for the record though there should be a distinction in "some blood" and "close-up of a guy shot in the farking head"
 
2011-01-28 02:20:53 PM  

Zeno-25: Mubarak still hasn't given his speech, which he was supposed to have given like 2 hours ago? Makes me wonder if he's dead/arrested/fleeing the country.


He's trying to convince the army to crush the protests, and not having much luck.

/pure speculation
 
2011-01-28 02:21:02 PM  
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-up​dates

7.04pm GMT Thanks Haroon, this is Richard Adams in the Guardian's bureau in Washington DC, where there has been an abrupt change in attitudes towards events in Egypt today.

The main US cable news networks had given Egypt minimal coverage so far this week, partly because of the time difference but also because of the president's state of the union address on Tuesday night absorbing so much energy.

That has all changed today, with the the extraordinary scenes from Egypt filling America's TV screens - even if the early morning bulletins were more interested in Charlie Sheen's hernia.

The exception has been Fox News, where coverage has been more muted. "You probably don't give a lot of time thinking about Egypt," a Fox News presenter suggested about an hour ago, before explaining that "groups linked to al-Qaida" were in danger of taking over the government in Cairo.


www.yourfunnystuff.com
 
2011-01-28 02:21:11 PM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: What else will take his place, except the common religious bonds of the people (which, if you're watching, you can see right in front of your face)?


What are the strongest institutions in the country? I've yet to see anything that ranks the Muslim Brotherhood among them. Whatever fills the void should Mubarak be deposed is going to come from an existing power structure, e.g. the military, the police, the intelligence services. All of these are distrustful of the religious fanatics.
 
2011-01-28 02:24:27 PM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: What else will take his place, except the common religious bonds of the people (which, if you're watching, you can see right in front of your face)?


I also think it's a safe argument to make that a turn to religious fundamentalism is a result of both push and pull effects. The pull is the obvious common identity in a very spiritual part of the world. Just as importantly, there is a push effect coming from mistreatment from foreign interests in their affairs. When people feel that they are abused or ignored, they will naturally move further away from those actors and find a flag to rally around. On the latter point, the ball is totally in our court. It is certainly possible for a country to be both democratic and Islamic at the same time. They clearly want democracy, and it's very much up to us as country that will continue to have interests in their neighborhood to help them realize that goal.
 
2011-01-28 02:25:30 PM  
Is it me? There are a lot of rookies in riot gear.

www.channel4.com
 
2011-01-28 02:25:34 PM  
I hope the people of Egypt meet their goal of peace and democracy.

At the same time, I really hope they don't become another dark ages extremist country.
 
2011-01-28 02:29:20 PM  
Whatever fills the void should Mubarak be deposed is going to come from an existing power structure, e.g. the military, the police, the intelligence services. All of these are distrustful of the religious fanatics.

I should also add someone who is able to coalesce the disparate political demands into a coherent faction - a Mandela-type if you will - could also fill the leadership void.
 
2011-01-28 02:29:35 PM  
Sounds like the EU is feeling out supporting the protesters.
 
2011-01-28 02:31:17 PM  

Jamespoon: With all this talk about the fundies taking over, doesn't it make sense that the American position would go a long way in influencing the political outcome over there in the event of a regime collapse?

Right now, Egyptians are a bit pissed that we are staying relatively non-committed in this situation. If there actually is a revolution, would they actually want to be our friends after that kind of treatment? If they don't, who would they turn to instead?

Yes, we are making our own bed right now.


It's a tough row to hoe. What if this all goes by the wayside and Mubarak ends up where he is: leader of Egypt? Does the US want to be in a position where we've pissed him off by encouraging the revolt against him?

The US right now wants to discourage crackdowns and violence against protesters while not actually coming out in support of the protesters. In other words, keeping their options open. In a perfect world the US would come out and say "The right of the people to self determination is something we support. Mubarak, you're a dictator and you need to go. However, we value the friendship of Egypt and want to remain friendly with any future Egyptian government, so please make sure that that future Egyptian government is one that we *can* be friendly with (hint hint)."
 
2011-01-28 02:31:21 PM  
The usual quality from the Big Picture.

Link (new window)
 
2011-01-28 02:32:09 PM  
7.15pm GMT:CloseLink to this update: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-up​dates#bloc k-112

The White House has just announced that it is postponing its planned press conference on the situation in Egypt. There's some speculation that may be because Obama himself wants to make a statement personally, but in any case it has been postponed for the time being.
 
2011-01-28 02:33:11 PM  

xynix: TexasRedFox: xynix: Zeno-25: Man US news coverage of what's going on over there sucks. Al Jazeera live seems to be covering this exclusively. Anyway, the American guy talking from his balcony on Al Jazeera live English feed is reporting the protesters appear to be getting ready to storm the central radio/television building in Cairo. The loud explosions heard earlier there are apparently gas tanks exploding at a stormed police station.

Welcome to 'merica haha! I was just talking to my mom and asked her what she thought of the Egypt craziness.. She said "What do you mean? What's happening in Egypt?"

Turn OFF the Fox news .. jeeze.

What your mom doesn't know could fill a warehouse.

/Your mom is dumb

My Aunt thinks Sarah Palin is the smartest American currently in existence. My Grandfather believes if it's not on Fox it doesn't really happen (seriously). Lets just say visiting for the holidays was not a pleasure.


i.ytimg.com

Hey Mom, I find it interesting that you refer to the Fox News as, "The News." The NEWS contains facts.

THIS news contains facts. And this news has the highest Nielson rating in the whole wide world. Right? Plenty of facts. "Obama cannot produce birth certificate." 'at's a fact!
 
2011-01-28 02:33:33 PM  
Whoa, did anyone just see the police vehicle running someone down on the aljazeera live feed? Just aiming randomly and nailed him.
 
2011-01-28 02:35:17 PM  

Jamespoon: I think this link was posted earlier, but in case it hasn't or if some haven't seen it yet here:

Al-Jazeera English Live Feed of the Protests (new window)


Such an amazing feed.

I fully support the Egyptian people. Even if it means they are no longer 'allies' when this is all said and done. Let them rule themselves.
 
2011-01-28 02:35:27 PM  
The exception has been Fox News, where coverage has been more muted. "You probably don't give a lot of time thinking about Egypt," a Fox News presenter suggested about an hour ago, before explaining that "groups linked to al-Qaida" were in danger of taking over the government in Cairo.

Or in other words, we know you are a bunch of self-interested rubes, so in case you hear your libtard friends talking about these clearly violent heartless protesters, know it is nothing important, and it's al qeada anyway. Who wants to hear more about Charlie Sheen?
 
2011-01-28 02:37:59 PM  
1935: The US is reviewing its $1.5bn in aid to Egypt based on events unfolding in the country, an Obama administration official tells Reuters.

So wait, we're going to give the government money to quell the riots? Doesn't that mean we would be directly supporting an authoritarian regime????
 
2011-01-28 02:38:34 PM  

chopit: The usual quality from the Big Picture.

Link (new window)


Damn, Lebanon too?
 
2011-01-28 02:39:44 PM  

TappingTheVein: Farker T: Thanks for that candid admission, Tappy.

You care for ISRAEL FIRST, last and always.

The rest of the world be damned.

Yeah, candid admission. I was wrong, Hamas are not violent when it comes to Israel. They are big fans. They are more violent when it comes to Europe, as their charter clearly states.

Try Switching to decaff.



Israel has its enemies - hard earned and well deserved, in most cases.

But what you and yours are categorically unable to grasp is the idea that what YOU see as being in the best interests of your Homeland is NOT necessarily in the best interests of anyone OTHER than you.

The world does not revolve around your bigoted little ethnocracy, Tappy, and does not have to bend to cater to your narcissism.

Israel and the Zionist machinations that created her are children of hell that have created untold misery for humanity since before WWI, and I think her days in the spotlight are over.

Why not try thinking as a human being for a change?
 
2011-01-28 02:40:32 PM  

benlonghair: 1935: The US is reviewing its $1.5bn in aid to Egypt based on events unfolding in the country, an Obama administration official tells Reuters.

So wait, we're going to give the government money to quell the riots? Doesn't that mean we would be directly supporting an authoritarian regime????


We give them money to secure their borders and combat extremist groups. Given the current events, we're probably going to "review all aid until the situation resolves itself" without being committal to either side nor any action.
 
2011-01-28 02:41:00 PM  

benlonghair: So wait, we're going to give the government money to quell the riots? Doesn't that mean we would be directly supporting an authoritarian regime????


I would suspect the opposite, actually.

The US currently gives Egypt tons of aid (so yeah, we DO currently support an authoritarian regime RIGHT NOW, this should not surprise anyone) but if the regime changes, the US probably wants to consider who comes to power before just assuming that the ongoing aid contracts stay as they are.
 
2011-01-28 02:41:58 PM  
1935: The US is reviewing its $1.5bn in aid to Egypt based on events unfolding in the country, an Obama administration official tells Reuters.

-----

Mr. Mubarak?

Yes.

shiat just got real
 
2011-01-28 02:42:06 PM  

benlonghair: So wait, we're going to give the government money to quell the riots? Doesn't that mean we would be directly supporting an authoritarian regime????


Well, I'm a moran, misread this.
 
2011-01-28 02:43:32 PM  

xria: Well he might come in to unequivocally support everything the Egyptian government does, even if they decide to massacre all the people that are revolting.


Too busy being part of a team currently engendering the fall of Lebanon, sorry can't comment on this

Farker T: Israel has its enemies - hard earned and well deserved, in most cases.

But what you and yours are categorically unable to grasp is the idea that what YOU see as being in the best interests of your Homeland is NOT necessarily in the best interests of anyone OTHER than you.

The world does not revolve around your bigoted little ethnocracy, Tappy, and does not have to bend to cater to your narcissism.

Israel and the Zionist machinations that created her are children of hell that have created untold misery for humanity since before WWI, and I think her days in the spotlight are over.

Why not try thinking as a human being for a change?


Hurray just what we need, more nazis posting on Fark
 
2011-01-28 02:44:51 PM  
What a newly democratic Egypt needs is this:

www.writespirit.net

Mohamed Elbaradei for the interim government. Nobel Laureate, vocal critic of the dictatorship and one of the country's largest proponents of open democracy.

www.coptreal.com

Ayman Nour for president after the transition. He is a democratic and secular politician who received the 2nd most votes in the 2005 election (guess who got the most) and was again one of the most popular candidates in the sham 2011 elections. He's also been imprisoned by Mubarak in 2005.

/The above info comes from a friend of mine who is himself a political exilee from Egypt (along with his family) and active in human rights and democratic advocacy for the country. Right now his Facebook and Twitter feeds are blowing up like whoa.
 
2011-01-28 02:46:06 PM  

Farker T: Why not try thinking as a human being for a change?


Jews (don't try to pretend that you mean Israel when you talk pre-WI and earlier than that) don't think like humans, because they are not human.

Nice to see you haven't changed, Herr Farker.
 
2011-01-28 02:46:20 PM  

Kirk's_Toupee: Is it me? There are a lot of rookies in riot gear.


That's the way it works when things go all "hats and bats" on short notice. EVERYONE gets the order to mobilize. Vacations are canceled and personnel like the CSI lab rats and desk humpers gear up in full stormtrooper regalia. Sometimes this can even include academy cadets that haven't even graduated yet.
 
2011-01-28 02:47:20 PM  

benlonghair: 1935: The US is reviewing its $1.5bn in aid to Egypt based on events unfolding in the country, an Obama administration official tells Reuters.

So wait, we're going to give the government money to quell the riots? Doesn't that mean we would be directly supporting an authoritarian regime????


liverpool.theoffside.com
 
2011-01-28 02:47:22 PM  
Mohamed Elbaradei is also quite responsible for fending off US machinations in the UN to drum up support for a war with Iran. He deserves a lot of credit for that.
 
2011-01-28 02:48:02 PM  

Tatsuma: Hurray just what we need, more nazis posting on Fark


And the opposite of a Nazi is what?

I kid, I kid. I already called out one zionist in this thread already. Calling other people Nazis and anti-Semites does seem like a fun game you guys play, though.
 
2011-01-28 02:48:29 PM  
while egypt burns...msnbc "thinks i should know" that bristol palin isn't going to give a speech on abstinence, for huge fat money.

while egypt is burning.

the new voice of zionist propaganda in the united states.

owned by "corporation X"...and fueled by 'the true american spirit'.

fox news or msnbc or cnn?

lol

they think your shiats' retarded!

-have a kickass day, farkers! lmao!
 
2011-01-28 02:48:46 PM  

itazurakko: benlonghair: So wait, we're going to give the government money to quell the riots? Doesn't that mean we would be directly supporting an authoritarian regime????

I would suspect the opposite, actually.

The US currently gives Egypt tons of aid (so yeah, we DO currently support an authoritarian regime RIGHT NOW, this should not surprise anyone) but if the regime changes, the US probably wants to consider who comes to power before just assuming that the ongoing aid contracts stay as they are.



The money the US has given the current regime is BRIBE MONEY to suppress any attitudes that would oppose Zionism - we bought a 'friendly neighbor' for Israel. Period.

Of course, this has fostered corruption as it is contrary to the best interests of the PEOPLE of Egypt, and now it's falling apart.

So as the puppet state crumbles, there is little doubt that there will be a certain amount of animosity toward those that propped up the former government - the US, and Israel.

Again, the US is viewed with a jaundiced eye because of her lopsided and unjust support of Israel.
 
2011-01-28 02:50:18 PM  

Jamespoon: Calling other people Nazis and anti-Semites does seem like a fun game you guys play, though.


You're talking about a guy who rants about the Kosher tax, once said that Jews used to poison wells in the middle ages and stuff about the Talmud and so on.

This is a bone fide Nazi but thanks for playing.

Also you said you called out 'one zionist' in this thread. I'd bet that 90% of people are zionists, as Zionist = someone who believes that Israel has a right to exist.

No more,no less.

You might *gasp* even be one yourself.
 
2011-01-28 02:51:07 PM  
So Egypt seemed to have some sort of internet kill switch.

Is this what Joe Lieberman wants for the US?
 
2011-01-28 02:51:12 PM  

Bauer: the new voice of zionist propaganda in the united states.


talking about nazis
 
2011-01-28 02:51:30 PM  
Stop Jew-jacking the thread.

Both of you.
 
2011-01-28 02:51:41 PM  

Farker T: But what you and yours are categorically unable to grasp is the idea that what YOU see as being in the best interests of your Homeland is NOT necessarily in the best interests of anyone OTHER than you.


Ok, i'll repeat for the 4th time:
replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.

Farker T: Israel and the Zionist machinations that created her are children of hell that have created untold misery for humanity since before WWI, and I think her days in the spotlight are over.


Ok, anti-semite just turned his volume to 11.
 
2011-01-28 02:51:58 PM  
I'll be iron like a lion in Zion.
 
2011-01-28 02:52:11 PM  

Tatsuma: xria: Well he might come in to unequivocally support everything the Egyptian government does, even if they decide to massacre all the people that are revolting.

Too busy being part of a team currently engendering the fall of Lebanon, sorry can't comment on this

Farker T: Israel has its enemies - hard earned and well deserved, in most cases.

But what you and yours are categorically unable to grasp is the idea that what YOU see as being in the best interests of your Homeland is NOT necessarily in the best interests of anyone OTHER than you.

The world does not revolve around your bigoted little ethnocracy, Tappy, and does not have to bend to cater to your narcissism.

Israel and the Zionist machinations that created her are children of hell that have created untold misery for humanity since before WWI, and I think her days in the spotlight are over.

Why not try thinking as a human being for a change?

Hurray just what we need, more nazis posting on Fark


-jon stewart would like a word with you.
 
2011-01-28 02:53:07 PM  

netweavr: Stop Jew-jacking the thread.


sounds kinky
 
2011-01-28 02:53:50 PM  

Hung Like A Tic-Tac: netweavr: Stop Jew-jacking the thread.

sounds kinky


I like the way the "j"s sound together.
 
2011-01-28 02:53:51 PM  

Hung Like A Tic-Tac: netweavr: Stop Jew-jacking the thread.

sounds kinky


No foreskin.
 
2011-01-28 02:54:09 PM  

Bauer: -jon stewart would like a word with you.


I see him every two weeks at our media control conferences, I'll ask him what he wanted then.

Thanks!
 
2011-01-28 02:55:06 PM  

Bauer: while egypt burns...msnbc "thinks i should know" that bristol palin isn't going to give a speech on abstinence, for huge fat money.

while egypt is burning.

the new voice of zionist propaganda in the united states.

owned by "corporation X"...and fueled by 'the true american spirit'.

fox news or msnbc or cnn?

lol

they think your shiats' retarded!

-have a kickass day, farkers! lmao!


anti-semitic retardation aside

why are

you

posting like this ?

is it

some

kind of

brain damage ?
 
2011-01-28 02:56:50 PM  

TappingTheVein: Bauer: while egypt burns...msnbc "thinks i should know" that bristol palin isn't going to give a speech on abstinence, for huge fat money.

while egypt is burning.

the new voice of zionist propaganda in the united states.

owned by "corporation X"...and fueled by 'the true american spirit'.

fox news or msnbc or cnn?

lol

they think your shiats' retarded!

-have a kickass day, farkers! lmao!

anti-semitic retardation aside

why are

you

posting like this ?

is it

some

kind of

brain damage ?


this is

obviOUSly the pro
duct

of using too

mcuh drugs and

B r O W s I nG the INTeRNeT high.
 
2011-01-28 02:57:45 PM  

Tatsuma: Bauer: -jon stewart would like a word with you.

I see him every two weeks at our media control conferences, I'll ask him what he wanted then.

Thanks!


i lol'd.

-at least i'm honest.

and i don't kill people or steal other peoples lands.

but hey...you gotta do what you gotta do, i suppose.

ride that gerbil.
 
2011-01-28 02:58:19 PM  
twitpic.com
 
2011-01-28 02:59:26 PM  
i'm loving the flattery. lol

-:)

we'll drive this biatch to pageination yet!
 
2011-01-28 02:59:45 PM  

Bauer: i lol'd.

-at least i'm honest.

and i don't kill people or steal other peoples lands.

but hey...you gotta do what you gotta do, i suppose.

ride that gerbil.


you are honest

about being a racist

i don't kill people or steal land

however I do write haikus:

as high as a kite
not the way to go through life
just stop taking drug
 
2011-01-28 03:00:54 PM  
What color armband are we supposed to wear? Iran was green, Egypt is?
 
2011-01-28 03:02:01 PM  

Tatsuma: Jamespoon: Calling other people Nazis and anti-Semites does seem like a fun game you guys play, though.

You're talking about a guy who rants about the Kosher tax, once said that Jews used to poison wells in the middle ages and stuff about the Talmud and so on.

This is a bone fide Nazi but thanks for playing.

Also you said you called out 'one zionist' in this thread. I'd bet that 90% of people are zionists, as Zionist = someone who believes that Israel has a right to exist.

No more,no less.

You might *gasp* even be one yourself.


Yeah I don't enter the Israel threads for exactly that reason. I don't know who this person is, so maybe he did actually did sing the Horst-Wessel-Lied in a thread before and I never saw.

I'm not anti-Israel if that's what you're asking. I don't want to risk coming across as hostile so let's leave it at that. Sorry for the earlier post if it offended you.
 
2011-01-28 03:02:15 PM  
-don't quit your day job, comrade.

which one are you...second shift?

lol...
 
2011-01-28 03:02:42 PM  

Tatsuma: TALK ABOUT MEEEEE!!!!!

 
2011-01-28 03:04:31 PM  
 
2011-01-28 03:04:35 PM