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likespictures		2011-01-28 01:05:40 PM

Been watching all day, Cairo and Suez are in full revolt.

Link (Al Jazeera)

shirtsbyeric		2011-01-28 01:06:19 PM

If you pretend it's pot smoke, it kinda looks like the Love Parade or a Hemp rally
cache.boston.com

UNCE UNCE UNCE UNCE

Amos Quito		2011-01-28 01:07:01 PM

Curiously absent in this thread:

www.flags.net

i rule 34		2011-01-28 01:08:00 PM

Farker T: Zeno-25: Yea, the lack of threads/discussion on Fark over these historic events is pathetic. Chalk it up to Green Iran Syndrome, I guess.

The Israeli Propaganda crowd is on the opposite side of the fence in this one.

Bought-and-sold at Camp David, Egypt has been working with Israel to help keep the Palestinians (and others in the region) in check for 30 years.

Egypt borders Gaza - they could have been helping these poor people as they have been crushed by Israel, but the haven't.

The last thing that Israel (or her cheerleaders in the US) want to see is a popular uprising that might quit helping Israel to oppress the Palestinians.

Keep this in mind as you watch the propaganda put out by the media and your government over the next several days.

It could be quite educational.

Not only has Egypt not helped the Palestinians, they kicked them out of Egypt in '48. No one want the Palestinians, neither do I.

Link (Egypt's Oppression, oxford journal)

ignatiusst		2011-01-28 01:08:19 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: Go Egyptian peoples!

Go Egyptian people? This violence is inflamed by Al Jazeera in an attempt to facilitate the overthrow of as many Western-backed Arab governments as possible. I don't think we should be cheering that on.

herrDrFarkenstein		2011-01-28 01:09:34 PM

i rule 34: herrDrFarkenstein: devildog123: H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.

Aside from the initial taking of embassy hostages, can you describe any way in which Iran has actively and directly caused massive problems for America?

Unlike Iraq ... required TWO invasions
Unlike Afghanistan ... housing terrorism
Unlike Saudi Arabia ... breeding and funding terrorism
Unlike Yemen ... see Saudi Arabia

Iran is a farking rock. It's bullshiat posturing on both sides which keeps positive relations from moving forward.

It's their potential to cause massive harm, with a crazy in power.

I don't think invasion from the US is the answer, I think we should wait it out. It will take care of itself. If not let the Euros and Israelis handle it; it's their turn. Euro economy could use a boost.

Please. We work with Iran every day under the table to keep Iraq and Afghanistan from falling apart on their huge borders with Iran and to keep Iran from having an influx of criminal activity. Nobody talks about it because both governments have staked too much in their public performance of hatred.

The theocratic portion of the Iranian government gets weaker every year, and they have a very stable democracy otherwise. The moment we normalize relations with them and say "hey, let's make up" the mullah's ability to justify repression will dissolve and they'll be removed by their own people peacefully or otherwise.

Iran has a well-educated, internationally minded, and fairly secular population who will boot their theocratic national government the moment they have proof that there is nothing to fear from America.

Balder333		2011-01-28 01:11:11 PM

The government of Egypt is falling and this thread only has 260 (plus) comments?

jigger		2011-01-28 01:11:33 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: i rule 34: herrDrFarkenstein: devildog123: H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.

Aside from the initial taking of embassy hostages, can you describe any way in which Iran has actively and directly caused massive problems for America?

Unlike Iraq ... required TWO invasions
Unlike Afghanistan ... housing terrorism
Unlike Saudi Arabia ... breeding and funding terrorism
Unlike Yemen ... see Saudi Arabia

Iran is a farking rock. It's bullshiat posturing on both sides which keeps positive relations from moving forward.

It's their potential to cause massive harm, with a crazy in power.

I don't think invasion from the US is the answer, I think we should wait it out. It will take care of itself. If not let the Euros and Israelis handle it; it's their turn. Euro economy could use a boost.

Please. We work with Iran every day under the table to keep Iraq and Afghanistan from falling apart on their huge borders with Iran and to keep Iran from having an influx of criminal activity. Nobody talks about it because both governments have staked too much in their public performance of hatred.

The theocratic portion of the Iranian government gets weaker every year, and they have a very stable democracy otherwise. The moment we normalize relations with them and say "hey, let's make up" the mullah's ability to justify repression will dissolve and they'll be removed by their own people peacefully or otherwise.

Iran has a well-educated, internationally minded, and fairly secular population who will boot their theocratic national government the moment they have proof that there is nothing to fear from America.

Apparently after the last election Ahmadinejad (fark sp) now has more autonomy and has the clout to sometimes tell the mullahs to go suck a pipe (in a nice way).

i rule 34		2011-01-28 01:11:45 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: i rule 34: herrDrFarkenstein: devildog123: H31N0US: Where have I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, late 70's Iran. That worked out well for stability in the region. Actually, it did. It just wasn't the puppet state that D.C. wanted.

Yeah, that 8 year war between Iran and Iraq was just stable as all hell.

Aside from the initial taking of embassy hostages, can you describe any way in which Iran has actively and directly caused massive problems for America?

Unlike Iraq ... required TWO invasions
Unlike Afghanistan ... housing terrorism
Unlike Saudi Arabia ... breeding and funding terrorism
Unlike Yemen ... see Saudi Arabia

Iran is a farking rock. It's bullshiat posturing on both sides which keeps positive relations from moving forward.

It's their potential to cause massive harm, with a crazy in power.

I don't think invasion from the US is the answer, I think we should wait it out. It will take care of itself. If not let the Euros and Israelis handle it; it's their turn. Euro economy could use a boost.

Please. We work with Iran every day under the table to keep Iraq and Afghanistan from falling apart on their huge borders with Iran and to keep Iran from having an influx of criminal activity. Nobody talks about it because both governments have staked too much in their public performance of hatred.

The theocratic portion of the Iranian government gets weaker every year, and they have a very stable democracy otherwise. The moment we normalize relations with them and say "hey, let's make up" the mullah's ability to justify repression will dissolve and they'll be removed by their own people peacefully or otherwise.

Iran has a well-educated, internationally minded, and fairly secular population who will boot their theocratic national government the moment they have proof that there is nothing to fear from America.

That was my point. It should take care of itself.

me_onthenet		2011-01-28 01:12:08 PM

Hmmm, Druge has a link to large protests in Albania

Link (new window)

"TENS of thousands of demonstrators have started a silent protest in the Albanian capital Tirana, a week to the day after clashes during an opposition rally killed three.

The demonstrators, headed by the leadership of the opposition Socialists and the families of the victims, started a march on the government buildings. People continued to pour into the downtown area near the government, bringing traffic in central Tirana to a standstill.."

herrDrFarkenstein		2011-01-28 01:12:11 PM

ignatiusst: Kirk's_Toupee: Go Egyptian peoples!

Go Egyptian people? This violence is inflamed by Al Jazeera in an attempt to facilitate the overthrow of as many Western-backed Arab governments as possible. I don't think we should be cheering that on.

faqsmedia.ign.com

TappingTheVein		2011-01-28 01:12:42 PM

I like how Fark's anti-srmite brigade is bringing Israel into this. Especially the 'attack now Israel!' retards.

Yeah replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.

xynix		2011-01-28 01:12:59 PM

herrDrFarkenstein:
That's stupid. We prop up those "crazy" governments with money and they give us that oil. What does Israel give us?

Israel is the number two technology startup country in the world trailing only the United States. A lot of those companies are funded at least partially by US companies. They are #2 in the world for raising venture capital behind the US. Everything from how you store your data to how you get your phone bill is strongly rooted in Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging). In fact last year Israel had 300 times more hi-tech patents than China. They are also home to 3500 hi-tech companies. Per capita they have more college degrees than any other country in the world and are number 3 in the world for total degrees. They have more scientists and engineers per capita than any other country in the world.

All that while living in the center of a hotbed of hate and constantly fighting in various conflicts.

Balder333		2011-01-28 01:13:25 PM

1808: CBS Radio News Amoona tweets: "The entire staff of the Israeli Embassy in Cairo has been evacuated by helicopters."

Huggermugger		2011-01-28 01:14:16 PM

schief2: ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.

Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.

No, I think it's a lot better in the long run, because it will validate the concept that the citizenry is powerful enough to overturn corrupt regimes. One of the main problems with Middle East countries is that a lot of people are very fatalistic, and have accepted that corrupt regimes cannot be toppled. But if people see that it can happen, then that might encourage them to do it more often. Yes, lots of people will die in the process, and it's truly horrible to have that kind of violence and mob action, but I thinks it's better for the Egyptians to purge themselves of that corrupt government.

JonnyG		2011-01-28 01:15:08 PM

netweavr: The whole: "OKAY! TIME OUT EVERYONE! Let us pray" thing is really surreal.

It really is, huh. It's also the type of thing that will disappear in a democracy. But if that's the worst thing to come from it, I suppose if you just be good, you'll be fine.

Personally, I think we all just need a do-over with this whole civilization thing.

me_onthenet		2011-01-28 01:16:53 PM

wow. One man (almost)stops army/police advance.

Like China's Tank Man?

Link (new window) (video 3 mins)

PghThermal		2011-01-28 01:17:08 PM

Balder333: 1808: CBS Radio News Amoona tweets: "The entire staff of the Israeli Embassy in Cairo has been evacuated by helicopters."

Americans continue to cower in the basement

Non-evil Monkey		2011-01-28 01:17:37 PM

Woah, at first it looked like Egypt's uprising was going to fizzle out, but now it looks like it may topple the government after all.

It's not over by a longshot, even if they do succeed at ousting the current president. Creating a decent democracy will be another battle in itself, but I not impossible I suppose.

netweavr		2011-01-28 01:18:20 PM

PghThermal: Balder333: 1808: CBS Radio News Amoona tweets: "The entire staff of the Israeli Embassy in Cairo has been evacuated by helicopters."

Americans continue to cower in the basement

We aren't cowering. We're playing WoW.

ignatiusst		2011-01-28 01:18:46 PM

Huggermugger: schief2: ORLY TITS: While I'm excited about any uprising of people overthrowing a semi-dictatorial regime, I am concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood will most likely be pushed into power following this ruckus.

Yeah, this. Unlike Iran, there's a very real possibility that the replacement government in Egypt would be MORE wacko-fundie, not less. Corruption v. Islamic extremism, hooray for choices.

No, I think it's a lot better in the long run, because it will validate the concept that the citizenry is powerful enough to overturn corrupt regimes. One of the main problems with Middle East countries is that a lot of people are very fatalistic, and have accepted that corrupt regimes cannot be toppled. But if people see that it can happen, then that might encourage them to do it more often. Yes, lots of people will die in the process, and it's truly horrible to have that kind of violence and mob action, but I thinks it's better for the Egyptians to purge themselves of that corrupt government.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the reality is that, without these semi-dictorial regimes in place, where are we (the West) going to get the oil to operate our economy? If the religious fundies take over, they aren't going to sell oil to the US, England, or any of our allies. That will cause a US-backed war - or should I say that will cause another US-backed war - for oil.

i rule 34		2011-01-28 01:19:20 PM

JonnyG: netweavr: The whole: "OKAY! TIME OUT EVERYONE! Let us pray" thing is really surreal.

It really is, huh. It's also the type of thing that will disappear in a democracy. But if that's the worst thing to come from it, I suppose if you just be good, you'll be fine.

Personally, I think we all just need a do-over with this whole civilization thing.

It's not that they are very civilized, it's that they are scared to death of invisible forces.

It's not like they are having afternoon tea.

netweavr		2011-01-28 01:19:24 PM

The military response here is really reminding me of 1989.

... That was over 20 years ago.

Now I feel old.

Farker T		2011-01-28 01:20:08 PM

TappingTheVein: I like how Fark's anti-srmite brigade is bringing Israel into this. Especially the 'attack now Israel!' retards.

Yeah replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.

Yes, losing control of your water-schlepping golem could be disastrous.

What would be worse is if the American public (and others) realize how Israel and her 'American' operatives have been manipulating the US for all these years to further Israeli interests.

You'd better play this one gingerly, Tappy. shiat could really hit the fan.

Sork		2011-01-28 01:20:53 PM

Fitting old classic?

Sisterhood - Finland Red, Egypt White (new window)

PghThermal		2011-01-28 01:21:23 PM

netweavr: The military response here is really reminding me of 1989.

... That was over 20 years ago.

Now I ~~feel~~ am old.

FTFY

barefoot in the head		2011-01-28 01:21:34 PM

Why is this thread tagged with Norton LiveUpdate?

netweavr		2011-01-28 01:21:46 PM

*1991 not 1989

theknuckler_33		2011-01-28 01:22:14 PM

I'm mildly amused by the fact that Gasoline by Audioslave came on my iPod just now.

PghThermal		2011-01-28 01:22:24 PM

netweavr: *1991 not 1989

You're still old

ignatiusst		2011-01-28 01:22:27 PM

1812: German Chancellor Angela Merkel has joined those urging the Egyptian government to allow peaceful protests. The stability of Egypt is extremely important, she says, "but not at the price of freedom of expression".

What? Seriously? I wonder if she would feel the same if skin-heads were rioting in Berlin.

aug3		2011-01-28 01:22:38 PM

Basji trained miltia are on motorcycles, clubbing folks
clatl.com

herrDrFarkenstein		2011-01-28 01:22:42 PM

xynix: herrDrFarkenstein:
That's stupid. We prop up those "crazy" governments with money and they give us that oil. What does Israel give us?

Israel is the number two technology startup country in the world trailing only the United States. A lot of those companies are funded at least partially by US companies. They are #2 in the world for raising venture capital behind the US. Everything from how you store your data to how you get your phone bill is strongly rooted in Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging). In fact last year Israel had 300 times more hi-tech patents than China. They are also home to 3500 hi-tech companies. Per capita they have more college degrees than any other country in the world and are number 3 in the world for total degrees. They have more scientists and engineers per capita than any other country in the world.

All that while living in the center of a hotbed of hate and constantly fighting in various conflicts.

That had nothing to do with any sort of enlightened foresight on the part of the Israeli government. Their tech boom bubbled out of the mass immigration of tens of thousands of Russian Jews with high tech training.

jigger		2011-01-28 01:23:12 PM

xynix: Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging).

Citation needed.

PghThermal		2011-01-28 01:24:03 PM

ignatiusst: 1812: German Chancellor Angela Merkel has joined those urging the Egyptian government to allow peaceful protests. The stability of Egypt is extremely important, she says, "but not at the price of freedom of expression".

What? Seriously? I wonder if she would feel the same if skin-heads were rioting in Berlin.

note the highlighted word. same BS Hillary put out an hour ago

Killer Cars		2011-01-28 01:24:28 PM

ignatiusst: What? Seriously? I wonder if she would feel the same if skin-heads were rioting in Berlin.

Well, the one thing I bet Germany wouldn't do is attempt their best to essentially create a media blackout of the riots and their response to them.

Let the world see for themselves "damn, those skinheads are jackasses".

benlonghair		2011-01-28 01:25:30 PM

After fleeing a police charge in Cairo, elderly protester Mohammed Taha tells Reuters news agency: "This protest is not going to stop. They won't and can't trick the people again and give us some lame concessions. Hosni has to go. I am 70 years old, I am going to die, but these people have to fight to live."

So he's saying they won't be fooled again?

YEAAAAAAAH!

i rule 34		2011-01-28 01:25:43 PM

aug3: Basji trained miltia are on motorcycles, clubbing folks

God I missed that photo. Guinness Book of World Records: where I got my education before the internet came around.

herrDrFarkenstein		2011-01-28 01:25:57 PM

jigger: xynix: Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging).

Citation needed.

Israel invented the question mark. They have legislation which prevents chestnuts from being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

Amos Quito		2011-01-28 01:26:46 PM

jigger: xynix: Israel (the Cell phone was invented there as well as web based instant messaging).

Citation needed.

Well, maybe not those things...

But they DID invent the #1 monotheistic SKY GOD that has created more mayhem and bloodshed than any other.

Give 'em credit for that.

Jamespoon		2011-01-28 01:26:48 PM

I think this link was posted earlier, but in case it hasn't or if some haven't seen it yet here:

Al-Jazeera English Live Feed of the Protests (new window)

TappingTheVein		2011-01-28 01:26:50 PM

Farker T: Yes, losing control of your water-schlepping golem could be disastrous.

Since you missed it i'll repeat:
replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.

Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?

Farker T: how Israel and her 'American' operatives have been manipulating the US for all these years to further Israeli interests.

You'd better play this one gingerly, Tappy. shiat could really hit the fan.

Yeah, this is all about Israel in the Israeli cabal manipulating everyone.

muck4doo		2011-01-28 01:27:09 PM

The Suez Canal was nice.

TangoSucka		2011-01-28 01:27:27 PM

/disapproves
//"I don't care where you put them (the pyramids) but give them back."

i rule 34		2011-01-28 01:28:00 PM

PghThermal: ignatiusst: 1812: German Chancellor Angela Merkel has joined those urging the Egyptian government to allow peaceful protests. The stability of Egypt is extremely important, she says, "but not at the price of freedom of expression".

What? Seriously? I wonder if she would feel the same if skin-heads were rioting in Berlin.

note the highlighted word. same BS Hillary put out an hour ago

Marbarak and the protesters couldn't care less what these guys are saying.

Jamespoon		2011-01-28 01:28:33 PM

TappingTheVein: Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?

How about you apply your logic and knowledge of contemporary Egyptian politics and explain why you think one is more likely than the other?

TappingTheVein		2011-01-28 01:31:58 PM

Jamespoon: How about you apply your logic and knowledge of contemporary Egyptian politics and explain why you think one is more likely than the other?

Common sense to a middle eastern native.
I wish they would elect a modern democratic government, it would benefit everyone.

Balder333		2011-01-28 01:33:52 PM

1831: Sultan al-Qassemi tweets: "Protestors have stormed Egyptian TV building&have destroyed some equipment. Helicopter is arriving. #Jan25."

Aar1012		2011-01-28 01:34:12 PM

So the main page is reporting that there are 300+ posts but the thread only show 297. Do I have to have UltraFa++++++++CARRIER LOST++++++++

Farker T		2011-01-28 01:34:46 PM

TappingTheVein: Farker T: Yes, losing control of your water-schlepping golem could be disastrous.

TappingTheVein: Since you missed it i'll repeat:
replacing the current dictatorship with an islamic theocracy is not something Israel is happy about. Same goes for the Egyptian people and everyone else.

Who do you think will fill the void ? a modern western democracy or the local islamic nutjobs ?

Considering the way you've made your bed, I'm not surprised that you wouldn't want to lay in it.

Farker T: how Israel and her 'American' operatives have been manipulating the US for all these years to further Israeli interests.

You'd better play this one gingerly, Tappy. shiat could really hit the fan.

TappingTheVein: Yeah, this is all about Israel in the Israeli cabal manipulating everyone.

Yes, it is, effectively.

The pendulum may swing the other way, and it could get messy for a while, but it's about time that the world stop suffering for the sake of your collective ethnocentric ego.

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