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(Some FedEx Guy)   Dead boy's donated body parts returned via Fed-Ex to funeral home   (statesman.com) divider line 74
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2003-07-17 12:09:51 PM
Be careful what you ask for, you may just get it (back).

What an asshat. Of course someone is going to make a profit off the organs. Whether its FedEx delivering them, the doctor that gets paid to put them in, or the hospital that charges for use of an OR and recovery room. Now probably no one will benefit from them.
 
2003-07-17 05:37:29 PM
Sick tag?
 
2003-07-17 05:42:50 PM
Am I the only one who finds it somewhat disconcerting that the eye bank guy compared this to someone taking their car into into the garage? Thats farking callous, the media defence tactic taken against what seems to be a pretty honorable pretense by the father...
 
2003-07-17 05:45:31 PM
They should repackage the meat with a new "sell by" date just like Food Lion. And if it's gotten a bit gamey, just use some bleach to get rid of the smell.
 
2003-07-17 05:46:27 PM
What a dickhead. It is illegal to sell body parts, but the things have to be processed and stored and matched and implanted. Someone's going to want money for this. Even Shriner's hospitals have to pay their surgeons though they don't charge the patients.

Just the femurs must be cut and shaped into useable pieces (probably spine/disk implants) under sterile conditions, then sterile packaged, refrigerated and shipped in cold containers. It's terribly expensive and the company needs to cover their expenses.
 
2003-07-17 05:48:41 PM
I fail to see how this is amusing...

Federal law prohibits the selling of organs and tissue for profit, but allows firms to level "reasonable" fees associated with transplants that go above and beyond the actual cost of the procedures. Roberts wanted those extra fees waived in association with his son's body parts.
(...)
Included in the fees are the costs of processing and transplanting tissue, salaries, overhead and the cost of research and development. Critics say those research and development fees can be used to mask profits.


Making money off organ donations is truly evil. I can totally understand why the guy would want this. And then getting the organs back in the mail? That just sucks...
 
Ni
2003-07-17 05:48:58 PM


Much better.
 
2003-07-17 05:49:38 PM
He'd have done better by offering to pay for the transplant of the recipient. Now someone will be waiting for a heart, cuz it certainly can't be used now, not with all that mayo on it.
 
2003-07-17 05:52:46 PM
But would he sell his dead son's skull to me? I've never met a skull I didn't want to fark.

And hey, 2 eye sockets! Double your pleasure.
 
2003-07-17 06:02:45 PM
$300,000 for a liver transplant!! Surgeons are farking criminals... no different from someone holding a knife to your throat .. they know you'll give em everything you've got becuase if you dont you'll die..
 
2003-07-17 06:06:02 PM
PuzzleRick:

Making money off organ donations is truly evil. I can totally understand why the guy would want this. And then getting the organs back in the mail? That just sucks...

How exactly do you suppose these organs are extracted from the dead person, transported, stored, processed, and finally put into the patient? These things cost money. Shiatloads of money.

With the non profit institutions dealing with these Red Cross handled organs, any extra money earned goes to things like administrative overhead, new equipment, and research. This guy possibly caused somebody's death by withholding organs. He is an asshat, just like anybody who doesn't want their organs donated when they die.

Now instead of saving someone's life, this boy's heart is going to feed bacteria and worms in the ground. What a stupid waste.
 
2003-07-17 06:11:20 PM
I see no reason for the doctors/hospitals/etc to not make a profit. Thanks to farces like John Q the public seems to think that if you can not afford a heart transplant, you won't get one. Not the case. If you or your insurance can pay for it, yes you will be charged. If you can not, nobody is going to say, fark off and die.

Seeing how often doctors and hospitals get sued, its only reasonable for them to try to recoup the costs of their legal fees, education, etc, and oh yea, put food on the table. I also think someone who saves lives for a living is entitled to drive a nicer car than me and own a bigger home. Just call me crazy.....

Upset the heart was returned in a jar? would he have prefered a zip lock bag? Its also a little misleading as the stuff was sent to the funeral home. Its not like the Ups guy showed up at his door and demanded a signature, or even worse, left one of those little stickys saying "Sorry you were not home, but we tried to deliver your sons heart. You can find it behind the bushes next to your side door"
 
2003-07-17 06:11:22 PM
Hmm. . .I need to go buy todays paper.
/in austin
 
2003-07-17 06:11:46 PM
" in which donated body parts are sometimes used by profit-making companies for everything from bone grafts to penis enlargements. "

That's it. I'm off the organ doner list. No way am I letting my body parts get harvested just so some clown can get a bigger schlong.
 
2003-07-17 06:11:56 PM
Everybody is allowed to make a profit, except the person donating the organs. That's why I'm not a donor. fark these ghoulish bastards. I'll fill out a donor card when they pay me to fill out a donor card.
 
2003-07-17 06:12:04 PM
Well, according to this article, I can take comfort that my penis will be stapled to some poor small cocked AZN when I die.
 
2003-07-17 06:20:11 PM
F@#$ organ donation.
Keep me alive.

On my Driver's License, I wrote "I REFUSE TO DIE. DON'T HARVEST ME" where the organ donor shiate is supposed to go.

There's enough medical ambiguity about the mythology around brain death to make me pause, especially with the millions that can be harvested from a single healthy male body. Why does such an ancient (1968) medical decision from Hahvahd (like I trust those bastiches) still hold such weight today with the advances in medical technology? Simple... ECONOMICS.

Why do young men die in auto accidents at a higher rate than the old?

Speeding and stupidity are not confined to the young, if you've noticed on your commute to work. Yet the healthiest (with the best organs for donating) are the ones who die the most due to "brain death"... that truly is SICK.
 
2003-07-17 06:20:14 PM
i have to agree that organ transplants cost a lot of money and that someone, somewhere along the line is going to profit from it somehow. it sounds like the man's intentions are honorable, but that he just doesn't understand how the business works. i think i'd be upset about getting the organs back, though. it would have been a better idea if the red cross could have simply explained things.
 
2003-07-17 06:29:30 PM
I understand this desire to help people, but you can't expect surgeons and the related medical personnel to work without any sort of compensation. Surgery becomes expensive as it becomes more complicated, because you not only have to pay the doctor and the costs of the operation itself, but some money must go to everyone along the line who is involved, even peripherally. Doctors do not spend 8 years or more in school learning to do their jobs in order to work for free. Yes, profit is there, but it is not unjustified.

To agree, this guy is an asshat. This guy's misguided idealism could very easily result in an unnecessary death.
 
2003-07-17 06:33:20 PM
unbeliev- able
 
2003-07-17 06:33:49 PM
Needs a "born on date" in addition to the sell by date.

/got nothin, but it's better than some
 
2003-07-17 06:34:36 PM
The strange thing was that two different non-profit organinzations did not have enough confidence to say that no one would make a profit from the organs.
 
2003-07-17 06:40:42 PM
hey kryphon, where in austin are you? i'm here too
 
2003-07-17 06:49:46 PM
I am going to cancel my donor card after reading this.
 
2003-07-17 06:59:23 PM
Swordsman:

I agree the man was probably being a bit too idealistic, but I wouldn't really call him an asshat. He was upset. His son died and was shipped home in pieces via FedEx. Lay off for crissakes.

And what sadistic farker put an "amusing" tag on this? Sick, maybe weird, but not amusing. Bad, bad farker.

- g
 
2003-07-17 07:12:38 PM
My wife died because I was unable to get her a liver transplant. After she died, the doctors at the hospital where she was at harvested every single bit of usable tissue that she had left without my permission. We were able to bury her what was left of her in a child's coffin.

My friends and family and I now have this agreement to watch over each other's cadaver in case of death.
 
2003-07-17 07:12:42 PM
A quick Photoshop of this story. Must ID the movie to get it.

 
2003-07-17 07:19:09 PM
Wait a second. Making money off of organs/tissue should be illegal? Doctors make money off sick people EVERY DAY -- because it's a service they are providing.

Organ donation/upkeep, etc is a service that is being provided, like any other service.

Organs/tissues have to be processed/altered/whatever for the person to receive the organ/tissues. It can't all be voluntary. Just like when you go to the doctor, the doctor charges you for his/her services. Or, like the analogy of the car and car parts. It's very fitting. Someone is getting the body PARTS of someone else. Parts are parts.

While the donation of the parts are free, there will always be a cost involved to maintain/alter the body parts to be used. Who should pay? I think the person RECEIVING the part should pay something.

It's a business, like medicine.
 
2003-07-17 07:19:12 PM
Mmmmm. Deboned sausage.
 
2003-07-17 07:27:56 PM
I think I've seen a couple of pornos that start like this...
 
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2003-07-17 07:29:47 PM
After I viewed the cadaver in college, I read the donation statement on the back of my drivers licence. It said donate for transplant or research, that was when I said NO WAY! Bunch of ghouls, they didn't handle the bodies with enough respect. I absoulutly would encourage everyone to make it perfectly clear to their families that they do not want to be an experiment and to never agree to donate organs. Personally, I have it in my will and living will.
 
2003-07-17 07:46:50 PM
His son's heart was in a jar.

I smell a killer eBay auction!

[/window seat please]
 
2003-07-17 07:47:41 PM
In Wisconsin, you can specify what you want to donate. If you want to save some lives, but still want to be presentable after death, or don't want your skeleton disrespected in some college lab, be specific. Simlpy saying "heart" or "femur" on that little line won't affect how you'll look at your wake, but it still can affect someone elses life for the better.
 
2003-07-17 07:59:23 PM
"The Red Cross is a not-for-profit organization that operates on a cost recovery basis,"

Yeah. Right!

Tell THAT to the families of the 9/11 victims who are STILL waiting for some assistence.

Almost as big a fraud group as the Vatican, I tell ya.
 
2003-07-17 08:06:03 PM
I feel bad for the guy. He felt he was doing a good thing by saying that he didn't want someone having to pay $300,000 for the gift of his son's organs. He didn't understand that the parties involved have to make some sort of money off of transporting, storing, preparing and implanting these organs; otherwise, they go out of business and no one can get donated organs.

Couldn't someone have explained to this guy how this whole process works? That would have been more productive than shipping the organs back. I certainly cannot blame the dad: it's a mistake I probably would have made myself...
 
2003-07-17 08:08:07 PM
JDJoeE and Vegato have it right. I'm sure if your sister goes through an experience that involves $300k for a new organ, you're likely to come out of this seeing things the way the Dad sees them, and I've no doubt there is some underhanded stuff going on in the organs market, but he was misguided. It's a Frankenstein story in reverse. Dr. Frankenstein f*cked with nature, this guy did the same with the free market. You get results you don't expect when you start screwing with things you don't understand.

That's an awful thing having these items show up in the mail, but in hindsight, what was RC supposed to do exactly? No profit must be made off these organs? You might as well have demanded "everybody who handles these organs must be wearing stripes, plaid, bermuda shorts, dark socks, birkenstocks and a propeller beanie." It's going to be regarded as terribly insensitive to say so, and maybe it is, but there's a lesson to be learned here.
 
2003-07-17 08:11:45 PM
Yeah thats real "amusing". Im sure his dad was "amused". Another misplaced tag..... now thats amusing.
 
2003-07-17 08:19:41 PM
DUMBASS tag...
 
2003-07-17 08:21:04 PM
Am I the ony one here who is just uncomfortable with the term "Harvest" when it comes to gutting a still warm corpse, disembowling, dismembering and slicing out the "good eats" from the not yet room tempature former person?

To know what they do to you is creepy enough, to name it "Harvesting" is even worse.
 
2003-07-17 08:27:58 PM
profit ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prft)
n.
An advantageous gain or return; benefit.
The return received on a business undertaking after all operating expenses have been met.

Apparently Mr. Webster isn't a memeber of this site, otherwise he'd have dick smacked half of you.

The Father (legal owner/executor) of the donated tissues/organs did not want them to recoup a profit....wait, let me say that again...PROFIT!!!! from the donated (as in, no charge, here ya go) tissues/organs.

He never wanted them to ignore expenses, or not pay for shipping, cataloging, inventory, transport, operation, whatever. He just didn't want some fat old white guys to get a million dollar bonus cause of his dead kid's liver.

There is a basic and moral difference between operation expenses and profit. Nobody does something unless it benefits somebody, and its obvious the red cross, and the medical industry is making a shiatload of money.

"if you go high enough, it always leads to one man" Mel Gibson/Payback
 
2003-07-17 08:33:29 PM
not "AMUSING" or even "SICK".....this is "SAD"
 
2003-07-17 09:07:14 PM
GRed:

You're correct, my original post was probably a little rough on the father. The manner in which the remains were returned is abosolutely abominable. Of course the man was grieving ,and completely right to be upset about the manner in which the organs/tissues were callously returned to him. Its just a little frustrating to me that someone may not receive the truly necessary organ included in the donation, the heart, simply because the father fails to understand or even accept basic economics. Sorry that that post seemed so harsh, I just have trouble thinking that someone could lose their life because of this one man seems to oppose the medical establishment so steadfastly.
 
2003-07-17 09:23:38 PM
"cost recovery"= being paid

Guy told me about the red + during some disaster or other...Their booth was there charging for coffee for the volunteers that had been working around the clock while some other orgs. were giving coffee away. Farkum
 
2003-07-17 09:26:19 PM
These people could have learned a lot from

The rules of Acquisition
.
 
2003-07-17 09:38:23 PM
"I'm going to do it even if it costs me my life," he said.

who the heck does he think is coming after him? there's big money involved sure, but really !
 
2003-07-17 09:41:17 PM
kbgaddis - lamar/183
 
2003-07-17 09:51:44 PM
I read the article the same way that dslknowitall did. Obviously, expenses of the donation need to be covered, doctors paid, etc., but not from the donated organs themseleves. Isn't this the law in this country-no one is permitted to sell body parts?
 
2003-07-17 10:03:14 PM
grrr...i hate leaky fed ex boxes.
 
2003-07-17 10:16:54 PM
I absoulutly would encourage everyone to make it perfectly clear to their families that they do not want to be an experiment and to never agree to donate organs. Personally, I have it in my will and living will.

I've made it very very clear to my family (and it's in my will) that I want any part of me donated that they want. To research or whatever. It's not like I need my body when I'm dead. If it can of help or use to someone else...go for it.

Plus that saves on the whole burial costs thing.

Heck I'd LOVE to be a real human skeleton hanging in some science class someday.

I should however make it clear to my family that I do not care if someone makes a profit off my body, but if there is a profit to be made they should try and get a cut.
 
2003-07-17 10:37:23 PM
I am going to donate my legs to Herbie Hancock, so he can remake that cool "rockit" video. But only after I die.
 
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