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(The Weekly Standard)   That school Obama praised in his State of the Union speech turned things around by firing teachers and bucking their union   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 105
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2011-01-27 04:19:34 PM
Obvious?
 
2011-01-27 04:37:12 PM
Sometimes facts have a not-so-liberal bias.
 
2011-01-27 04:50:43 PM
Wow, all those facts -- "a published report said"

It's incontrovertible!
 
2011-01-27 04:53:16 PM
Dammit, schools should only ignore their unions when it benefits Republicans.
 
2011-01-27 04:53:45 PM
and the spin has already started...
 
2011-01-27 05:07:15 PM
How does this contradict anything Obama had to say?
 
2011-01-27 05:08:25 PM
Salmon!
 
2011-01-27 05:19:02 PM
This just in: Sometimes Unions can be an obstacle to progress.

/ This doesn't mean that all or most unions are.
 
2011-01-27 05:39:20 PM

real shaman: and the spin has already started...


Yeah, the right is really grasping at straws here.
 
2011-01-27 05:45:59 PM

Actual Farking: Obvious?


FRACKING OBVIOUS!
 
2011-01-27 05:47:01 PM

Atillathepun: How does this contradict anything Obama had to say?


I'm wondering that too
 
2011-01-27 06:01:54 PM
I'm trying to figure out why I'm supposed to care one way or another.
 
2011-01-27 06:21:40 PM

GAT_00: I'm trying to figure out why I'm supposed to care one way or another.


Because as a SoshaLeftist™ you're obsessed with defending unions to the bitter end, and any defeat for them is a defeat for us all. Did you miss Tuesday's memo?
 
2011-01-27 06:29:56 PM

GaryPDX: Workers of the World Unite!!


The CEO's already have...
 
2011-01-27 06:35:32 PM

GaryPDX: Workers of the World Unite!!


Marx didn't like unions. Just saying.
 
2011-01-27 07:04:09 PM

Atillathepun: How does this contradict anything Obama had to say?


I'm wondering the same thing. I distinctly remember him saying, "We want to reward good teachers and stop making excuses for bad ones."
 
2011-01-27 07:29:46 PM
I see that they didn't tackle the issue of "Did everyone that was in the school receive an education or did they merely kick out the 'bad kids'?"

I'd like to see that data, as that would be a more germane indicator of what was going on than would be the firing of teachers.

/not hard to make something work when you get to 'choose the customers'
 
2011-01-27 08:07:35 PM
Um, a central plank of Obama's "Race to the Top" initiative is that the money will only go to school districts that show a willingness to fire incompetent teachers. If it's true that this was the way in which this school turned things around, then it's doing exactly what Obama is pushing schools to do.
 
2011-01-27 08:08:57 PM
Why do people act like Unions have all this power? The ONLY power a union has is the pinky swear that all its members will be united. That's it. Period.

If a school wants to fire someone, they can. There's no rules, laws, etc you have to follow except that you need probable cause, which last I checked is true of any job anywhere.

You just have to be willing to put up with the fact that many teachers might leave in solidarity with the union. Which is the whole point.

Considering they only ended up with 6 teachers left, I'm not really sure of the point of the article.
 
2011-01-27 08:09:52 PM

BigTuna: Because as a SoshaLeftist™ you're obsessed with defending unions to the bitter end, and any defeat for them is a defeat for us all. Did you miss Tuesday's memo?


We're supposed to be getting memos?

Why wasn't I informed?
 
2011-01-27 08:11:30 PM

jake3988: Why do people act like Unions have all this power? The ONLY power a union has is the pinky swear that all its members will be united. That's it. Period.

If a school wants to fire someone, they can. There's no rules, laws, etc you have to follow except that you need probable cause, which last I checked is true of any job anywhere.

You just have to be willing to put up with the fact that many teachers might leave in solidarity with the union. Which is the whole point.

Considering they only ended up with 6 teachers left, I'm not really sure of the point of the article.


Most real workers can be fired with no cause at all.

Google "at-will" some time.
 
2011-01-27 08:11:50 PM

Forty-Two: Atillathepun: How does this contradict anything Obama had to say?

I'm wondering the same thing. I distinctly remember him saying, "We want to reward good teachers and stop making excuses for bad ones."


It doesn't contradict anything he said in the SOTU, but it contradicts the pro-labor stance of the Democratic Party. Kudos on him, because there is no way this was an accident. Total "read between the lines" type deal to labor
 
2011-01-27 08:11:54 PM

GaryPDX: WhyteRaven74: GaryPDX: Workers of the World Unite!!

Marx didn't like unions. Just saying.

That's alright. I don't like them either.


Socialist
 
2011-01-27 08:13:11 PM

Snot Monster from Outer Space: Um, a central plank of Obama's "Race to the Top" initiative is that the money will only go to school districts that show a willingness to fire incompetent teachers. If it's true that this was the way in which this school turned things around, then it's doing exactly what Obama is pushing schools to do.


LIAR. I heard on the radio that ballsack obama loves the unions because they rigged the elections for him and he sucks a union members member every morning to say thanks and he'd NEVER go against a unjion EVER. ALir.
 
2011-01-27 08:13:37 PM

jake3988: If a school wants to fire someone, they can. There's no rules, laws, etc you have to follow except that you need probable cause, which last I checked is true of any job anywhere.


Well, and I say this as someone who believes in the notion of labor unions (but who has problems with their history in the US), in many school districts, proving that there is cause is so difficult that it's just easier to move bad teachers around.

Also, I attended one of the best public schools in the nation, and because job openings were weighted by seniority, we had a number of piss-poor teachers who were happy to be biding their time in a "safe" school until they could retire, and who didn't give a god-damn about whether we learned anything or not.
 
2011-01-27 08:14:44 PM
So firing teachers got rid of the gang problem?
 
2011-01-27 08:16:16 PM
You conservatives need to wake up and realize he's not the liberal monster you have made him out to be. Obama is much closer to Bush then he is to Howard Dean.
 
2011-01-27 08:16:38 PM
I just got a kindle, and this thing reads novels like no paper back book. I say we get a kindle in every class room. It's like the cost of what...one of those, wtf is the name of that rip off company that provides most of the books now?

Anyway, I wish I would have had one of these in school.

The technology is there.
 
2011-01-27 08:16:59 PM

GaryPDX: WhyteRaven74: GaryPDX: Workers of the World Unite!!

Marx didn't like unions. Just saying.

That's alright. I don't like them either.


You sound Marxist.
 
2011-01-27 08:17:43 PM

bhcompy: It doesn't contradict anything he said in the SOTU, but it contradicts the pro-labor stance of the Democratic Party. Kudos on him, because there is no way this was an accident. Total "read between the lines" type deal to labor


Name one thing Obama did for labor.
 
2011-01-27 08:17:47 PM
Waiting For Superman. (new window)

See it.
 
2011-01-27 08:19:07 PM

Death to New Rome: I just got a kindle, and this thing reads novels like no paper back book. I say we get a kindle in every class room. It's like the cost of what...one of those, wtf is the name of that rip off company that provides most of the books now?

Anyway, I wish I would have had one of these in school.

The technology is there.


But if we did that, how would the Texas Board of Education indoctrinate our children?
 
2011-01-27 08:19:19 PM

Seabon: bhcompy: It doesn't contradict anything he said in the SOTU, but it contradicts the pro-labor stance of the Democratic Party. Kudos on him, because there is no way this was an accident. Total "read between the lines" type deal to labor

Name one thing Obama did for labor.


What does that have to do with anything I said?
 
2011-01-27 08:19:42 PM
How is union formed?
 
2011-01-27 08:20:36 PM

Seabon: But if we did that, how would the Texas Board of Education indoctrinate our children?


There's still Jews in Texas, right?
 
2011-01-27 08:20:39 PM

Death to New Rome: I just got a kindle, and this thing reads novels like no paper back book. I say we get a kindle in every class room.


And that's going to help things how?

Honest question: are yo drunk or on drugs?
 
2011-01-27 08:20:50 PM

bhcompy: Seabon: bhcompy: It doesn't contradict anything he said in the SOTU, but it contradicts the pro-labor stance of the Democratic Party. Kudos on him, because there is no way this was an accident. Total "read between the lines" type deal to labor

Name one thing Obama did for labor.

What does that have to do with anything I said?


If the Democrats were really pro-labor, as you say, then presumably, labor would reap some sort of reward from having Democrats in power.
 
2011-01-27 08:23:39 PM

Seabon: bhcompy: Seabon: bhcompy: It doesn't contradict anything he said in the SOTU, but it contradicts the pro-labor stance of the Democratic Party. Kudos on him, because there is no way this was an accident. Total "read between the lines" type deal to labor

Name one thing Obama did for labor.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

If the Democrats were really pro-labor, as you say, then presumably, labor would reap some sort of reward from having Democrats in power.


Are you proposing that the Democratic Party (platform) is not pro-labor?
 
2011-01-27 08:25:46 PM

bhcompy: Are you proposing that the Democratic Party (platform) is not pro-labor?


Obama is not the Democratic Party.

Your point is moot.
 
2011-01-27 08:26:15 PM
Honestly I've had a few beers dwight, why?

I'm telling ya this thing reads better than a paper back book. I'm convinced if kids get a hold of one of these and actually start reading they will like it. I loved reading when I was younger.
 
2011-01-27 08:28:55 PM

Death to New Rome: I'm telling ya this thing reads better than a paper back book. I'm convinced if kids get a hold of one of these and actually start reading they will like it.


ah, the "all the kids really need to learn is something shiny and new and expensive" school of thought.

Death to New Rome: Honestly I've had a few beers dwight, why?


Because your tenuous grasp of the English language has been circling the drain all afternoon/evening.
 
2011-01-27 08:29:02 PM
I read all the time as a kid, surely these kids these days are not dumber than I was, and if they are.....LOL, this country is farked anyway, really though, the kindle 3 rocks.
 
2011-01-27 08:29:07 PM

Dwight_Yeast: bhcompy: Are you proposing that the Democratic Party (platform) is not pro-labor?

Obama is not the Democratic Party.

Your point is moot.


Obama has little power without the support of his party. The whole point of the party system is to create a voting bloc. Like I said, good on Obama for taking a shot across the bow of labor(it was no mistake, Obama and his staffers are too smart for it to have been), but it doesn't change the fact that the party that backs him in the voting booths and in the Senate relies on labor a great deal.
 
2011-01-27 08:30:42 PM

bhcompy: Seabon: bhcompy: Seabon: bhcompy: It doesn't contradict anything he said in the SOTU, but it contradicts the pro-labor stance of the Democratic Party. Kudos on him, because there is no way this was an accident. Total "read between the lines" type deal to labor

Name one thing Obama did for labor.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

If the Democrats were really pro-labor, as you say, then presumably, labor would reap some sort of reward from having Democrats in power.

Are you proposing that the Democratic Party (platform) is not pro-labor?


The platform is merely a means to winning elections, and even the platform is contradictory by supporting free trade and labor at the same time. In the end, it's the policy that counts. Sure there are pro-labor forces within the party, but they aren't calling the shots. I can't think of one thing the Democrats have done for labor in the last 20 years, while free trade agreements continue to undermine the price of labor in this country. Now card-check has completely fallen off the radar but Obama keeps pushing for new free trade.
 
2011-01-27 08:32:11 PM

Unixfreak: Sometimes facts have a not-so-liberal bias.


Actually, Obama and the teachers' unions are not friends. I know that is the teatard talking point, that they are, but they are in fact very far apart.

The teatards, in their rush to condemn all teachers to death or worse, have no idea about what it is that is causing so much trouble in our public schools.

The real problem is the adminstration level, not the teachers. This is what Obama recognizes, but it is hard for him to move quickly, because the administrators are covered by the unions.

Unfortunately, a real discussion on education will not happen in this country. It will be sidetracked by evolution/intelligent design BS and sex education/abstinence BS.

The powers that control the teatards benefit from an ignorant populace, so its interference, misinformation, and propaganda to push forward in their plans to dismantle public education.
 
2011-01-27 08:32:47 PM
Just to be clear, I am a pro-union liberal and proud of it. Teachers unions, however, have a long history of stonewalling incompetent and dangerous teachers into permanent positions. If unions really want to represent the greater good, then they shouldn't protect workers who are unable to meet the terms of their employment.
 
2011-01-27 08:33:31 PM
"ah, the "all the kids really need to learn is something shiny and new and expensive" school of thought"

Did you just hear what I typed you farken luddite teatard? I said one kindle cost about as much as the major school book publisher is charging for one farken txtbook. fark you and your children, I hope they die of chronic retardation.
 
2011-01-27 08:36:58 PM

lexslamman: If unions really want to represent the greater good


Why is this standard put upon unions but not corporations? Ideally, a unions exists to serve one entity: its members. A corporation exists to serve one entity: its shareholders.
 
2011-01-27 08:37:10 PM

bhcompy: Like I said, good on Obama for taking a shot across the bow of labor(it was no mistake, Obama and his staffers are too smart for it to have been)


It wasn't a shot across the bow; one of the contentious issues of him getting the party nomination had to do with his position on secret balloting for unionization.

bhcompy: Dwight_Yeast: bhcompy: Are you proposing that the Democratic Party (platform) is not pro-labor?

Obama is not the Democratic Party.

Your point is moot.

Obama has little power without the support of his party. The whole point of the party system is to create a voting bloc. Like I said, good on Obama for taking a shot across the bow of labor(it was no mistake, Obama and his staffers are too smart for it to have been), but it doesn't change the fact that the party that backs him in the voting booths and in the Senate relies on labor a great deal.


I know a lot of people on both sides delude themselves with that notion, but unions are a dwindling power base in this country (and I say that from what was once a strong union town).

They're also depressingly lily white and not known to opening their membership to people of color.

What union support Obama got/gets comes from the people in congress he has behind him. For instance: he got my Representative (Bob Brady) support. Brady's a union guy; he turned around and got SOME of the Philly unions behind him, not it was not unanimous, and there were lots of McCain signs to be seen in the union strongholds of NE and South Philly.
 
2011-01-27 08:40:49 PM
Didn't Obama say in his speech something about not making excuses for bad teachers? Isn't this more or less exemplifying what he was saying?
 
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