I guess I could tell people to turn it off and on again all day..

The government will just fill those positions with private contractors via Haliburton.

Just like it does in the Middle-East.

cbackous: I guess I could tell people to turn it off and on again all day..

Or have to call IT to plug in a mouse.

//Does the grunt IT work at my office, while the main IT guys sit at HQ a few hours away, in addition to regular stuff like software dev.

The military industrial complex strikes again, using our tax dollars to sit around and surf fark all day being a right wing troll is hard work, but someone's gotta do it.

"Reboot"

"Wait 15 minutes and try again"

Am I hired? Cause thats about all my IT department does. Biggest department in the company. I could save us millions to have a recording that plays those two comments on a loop when you call the helpless desk.

IT is only in demand because people are too lazy to fix their own computers/printers/servers/coding.

Once people figure out the secret to IT *cough*searching google*cough* it will lose its appeal and will soon join the other professions that used to be hot and then got cooled off(nursing, law, education, etc).

Hell half the people that do IT just do it so they can transition themselves to get towards the business end of things, the other half are simply consultants.

They will just look to India for Outsourcing a job that would pay my 70k a year for 20k.

The price is merely your soul and will to live. 30 years as a drone to earn a comfortable retirement for your hollowed out shell.

Only to find that the government no longer can borrow the money to pay for your retirement.

LegacyDL: IT is only in demand because people are too lazy to fix their own computers/printers/servers/coding.

Yeah, that's the ticket. I think the legal secretaries here would totally know what to do about the DNS errors popping up in the event logs of our Exchange server resulting in occasional NDRs. The only reason they haven't learned all that stuff yet is because I'm just holding their hands.

LegacyDL Quote 2011-01-27 11:54:43 AM
IT is only in demand because people are too lazy to fix their own computers/printers/servers/coding.

Once people figure out the secret to IT *cough*searching google*cough* it will lose its appeal and will soon join the other professions that used to be hot and then got cooled off(nursing, law, education, etc).

Hell half the people that do IT just do it so they can transition themselves to get towards the business end of things, the other half are simply consultants.


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Bob we need to expand our wifi infrastructure and link up 2 remote offices securely.

Don't worry sir, I have IT figured out, I'll just search Google!

Brilliant! Fire IT and raises for all of us!

"Reboot"

"Wait 15 minutes and try again"

Am I hired? Cause thats about all my IT department does. Biggest department in the company. I could save us millions to have a recording that plays those two comments on a loop when you call the helpless desk.

I've worked for 3 very large corporations (fortune 50) and this has been the exact case in all scenarios. It took me 10 weeks to get my first system here, and that was the wrong one. So the real question is, "are you willing to sit on your smug, do-nothing butt all day, taking only one 3 hour lunch then trashing all your emails/voicemails and doing absolutely nothing?" Sign here:_______

JMel Quote 2011-01-27 11:52:22 AM

Am I hired? Cause thats about all my IT department does. Biggest department in the company. I could save us millions to have a recording that plays those two comments on a loop when you call the helpless desk.


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Every time I call the help desk I want to smash my head in. But that's only because 15 hour wonders who couldn't tell you the difference between windows and mac and only read pre-determined sentences then submit a ticket to elevate the issue if their ignorance can't resolve it. most of the time they want to get you off the phone quickly so they can get back to surfing the web and talking on their cell phone.

And they will quit after 6 months because of the bullshiat 8570 rules and idiotic way we run things.

From the headline: "excellent pay"
From the article: "Government continues to have trouble competing with higher salaries in the private sector"

Pensions help maintain quality of life, if only we could get the people who promise to fund them to fund them... really complex stuff.

AcneVulgaris: The price is merely your soul and will to live. 30 years as a drone to earn a comfortable retirement for your hollowed out shell.

Only to find that the government no longer can borrow the money to pay for your retirement.

What if I told you 'insane' was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?

LegacyDL: IT is only in demand because people are too lazy to fix their own computers/printers/servers/coding.

Once people figure out the secret to IT *cough*searching google*cough* it will lose its appeal and will soon join the other professions that used to be hot and then got cooled off(nursing, law, education, etc).

Hell half the people that do IT just do it so they can transition themselves to get towards the business end of things, the other half are simply consultants.

Know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?

You wouldn't even need an IT department if you'd ween them off of the PC teet. Macs all around and you might actually get some productive work out of people...

That's great if the "Grey Ceiling" (people who won't retire) really retires. It's not likely.

bump: You wouldn't even need an IT department if you'd ween them off of the PC teet. Macs all around and you might actually get some productive work out of people...

HAHA...

The average private sector worker gets about $60k/y if you count salary + benefits. The average government worker gets almost double that because of the ridiculous taxpayer-funded benefits and pensions.

We're broke.

dalevywasbri: Pensions help maintain quality of life, if only we could get the people who promise to fund them to fund them... really complex stuff.

It's hard, because divide and conquer is so effective.

If I'm some dude making 20K working in a warehouse; why do I give a damn whether or not some college-educated teacher making 68K a year gets a pension? I'm not going to get a pension whether she does or not. There's nothing in it for me.

So when some RW politician comes along and tells me that he's gonna stick it to those "parasites," I get amped up.

You know why... because no one is fighting for a real universal pension. Social Security is a joke. They don't even pretend it's adequate anymore.

bump: You wouldn't even need an IT department if you'd ween them off of the PC teet. Macs Linux all around and you might actually get some productive work out of people...

//FTFY
//Oh Shiat, they're the same thing now.

The_Pirate Quote 2011-01-27 12:01:49 PM
bump: You wouldn't even need an IT department if you'd ween them off of the PC teet. Macs all around and you might actually get some productive work out of people...

HAHA...


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You can laugh but it's true. I have seen the IT dept at my company run around fixing virus outbreaks, windows corruptions, spyware, slowdown caused by everything from spyware viruses and registry errors, windows updates corrupting systems, etc.

Osx is such a superior platform in every respect, and deployment is built in with ARD, rather than buying expensive applications then learning how stupid they are like Altiris.

LegacyDL: IT is only in demand because people are too lazy to fix their own computers/printers/servers/coding.

Once people figure out the secret to IT *cough*searching google*cough* it will lose its appeal and will soon join the other professions that used to be hot and then got cooled off(nursing, law, education, etc).

Hell half the people that do IT just do it so they can transition themselves to get towards the business end of things, the other half are simply consultants.

Nope, they are still too lazy, even after learning it.

People ask me my IT secrets, and I tell them "Google". They still call my desk before calling the "official" IT people.

Big Al: The_Pirate Quote 2011-01-27 12:01:49 PM
bump: You wouldn't even need an IT department if you'd ween them off of the PC teet. Macs all around and you might actually get some productive work out of people...

HAHA...


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You can laugh but it's true. I have seen the IT dept at my company run around fixing virus outbreaks, windows corruptions, spyware, slowdown caused by everything from spyware viruses and registry errors, windows updates corrupting systems, etc.

Osx is such a superior platform in every respect, and deployment is built in with ARD, rather than buying expensive applications then learning how stupid they are like Altiris.

If your network is set up properly this is a non issue. Virus on your computer? Reimage it tonight. Problem solved.

LegacyDL: IT is only in demand because people are too lazy to fix their own computers/printers/servers/coding.

Once people figure out the secret to IT *cough*searching google*cough* it will lose its appeal and will soon join the other professions that used to be hot and then got cooled off(nursing, law, education, etc).

Hell half the people that do IT just do it so they can transition themselves to get towards the business end of things, the other half are simply consultants.

Therein lies the problem. Sure you can "Google" how tos for certain things, but if you don't really know what you're doing you can end up making things worse.

IT Professionals (not your "geeks") understand the principles behind issues, not just following instructions on how to remedy them.

The people who call IT and are told to reboot and then berate them because it seems too simple a solution are also the same people too dumb to realize they actually don't have an issue. :P

The_Pirate: Big Al: The_Pirate Quote 2011-01-27 12:01:49 PM
bump: You wouldn't even need an IT department if you'd ween them off of the PC teet. Macs all around and you might actually get some productive work out of people...

HAHA...


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You can laugh but it's true. I have seen the IT dept at my company run around fixing virus outbreaks, windows corruptions, spyware, slowdown caused by everything from spyware viruses and registry errors, windows updates corrupting systems, etc.

Osx is such a superior platform in every respect, and deployment is built in with ARD, rather than buying expensive applications then learning how stupid they are like Altiris.

If your network is set up properly this is a non issue. Virus on your computer? Reimage it tonight. Problem solved.

That'd be nice. Ours is a hodgepodge. I'm just a warm body to press keys, but everything else requires shipping the computer to HQ(they won't give me the image for some odd reason), and waiting.

It's also damn near impossible to get people to trust the server for storage of work, even though the server has never gone *poof* like their computers have.

Parent's basements will soon empty of unemployed geeks that attended college but couldn't get a job at starbucks because they were "over qualified".

bulok: The people who call IT and are told to reboot and then berate them because it seems too simple a solution are also the same people too dumb to realize they actually don't have an issue. :P

.... You're Welcome!!!

RussianPooper: I like how the only thing people think IT does is help desk.

That is all they are exposed to, the help desk side of things.

I love when I get to do actual IT stuff and not just help desk, but it is pretty rare anymore.

xynix:
It's happening in the private sector too. We've always had problems finding good IT folks and the .COM crash didn't help. A lot of students who were going into IT switched during 2003 so instead of having more come into the industry in 2007 we had much less than we needed.

In addition to that we have IT burn out where people leave the industry all together. I've had two friends move from IT, one went to go drive trucks, the other started a small produce company and drives trucks.

The money is good though and I try to encourage everyone I can to get into the field. An average salary of $70k a year and after 10 years you can easily be making $150k a year.


Uhhh, no. Really, no. Ten years ago, someone with a BS in CS, 2-3 years of real Oracle experience, maybe a year in Oracle Apps experience would get you $120-150. Today, it's an MBA, 5-8 years Oracle experience plus must have worked in every programming environment known to man for $65-80K/year AND they'll work you to death and typically offer little in return.

Glory days of IT are over.

Eshkar: Parent's basements will soon empty of unemployed geeks that attended college but couldn't get a job at starbucks because they were "over qualified".

That's a bit optimistic.

The coveted government jobs will go to 2 categories of people:

(1) the uberexperienced techmasters who are working in positions beneath them.
(2) the well-connected.

Recent grads are, as always, screwed.

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meat0918: The_Pirate: Big Al: The_Pirate Quote 2011-01-27 12:01:49 PM
bump: You wouldn't even need an IT department if you'd ween them off of the PC teet. Macs all around and you might actually get some productive work out of people...

HAHA...


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You can laugh but it's true. I have seen the IT dept at my company run around fixing virus outbreaks, windows corruptions, spyware, slowdown caused by everything from spyware viruses and registry errors, windows updates corrupting systems, etc.

Osx is such a superior platform in every respect, and deployment is built in with ARD, rather than buying expensive applications then learning how stupid they are like Altiris.

If your network is set up properly this is a non issue. Virus on your computer? Reimage it tonight. Problem solved.

That'd be nice. Ours is a hodgepodge. I'm just a warm body to press keys, but everything else requires shipping the computer to HQ(they won't give me the image for some odd reason), and waiting.

It's also damn near impossible to get people to trust the server for storage of work, even though the server has never gone *poof* like their computers have.

Yeah. There's not much you can do if the network was set up improperly in the first place. My company does managed it services and I have to deal with this shiat every day because they refuse to force users to store info on the servers.

RussianPooper: I like how the only thing people think IT does is help desk.

Of course it isn't just that. Ours frequently likes to change around the server names and software license locations without telling anyone. Which oddly then spurs more Help Desk calls....

flaminio: bump: You wouldn't even need an IT department if you'd ween them off of the PC teet. Macs all around and you might actually get some productive work out of people...

notsureifserious.jpg

He's probably serious... And wrong.

RussianPooper: I like how the only thing people think IT does is help desk.
This.

"The flash player plugin has crashed."

Hair Salad: RussianPooper: I like how the only thing people think IT does is help desk.
This.

TROOF

HotSalsaZoot: Uhhh, no. Really, no. Ten years ago, someone with a BS in CS, 2-3 years of real Oracle experience, maybe a year in Oracle Apps experience would get you $120-150. Today, it's an MBA, 5-8 years Oracle experience plus must have worked in every programming environment known to man for $65-80K/year AND they'll work you to death and typically offer little in return.

Glory days of IT are over.

You're talking about DBAs. That's one tiny aspect of IT. Trust me, people that actually know system and network architecture are making more than ever.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: It's hard, because divide and conquer is so effective.

If I'm some dude making 20K working in a warehouse; why do I give a damn whether or not some college-educated teacher making 68K a year gets a pension? I'm not going to get a pension whether she does or not. There's nothing in it for me.

So when some RW politician comes along and tells me that he's gonna stick it to those "parasites," I get amped up.

You know why... because no one is fighting for a real universal pension. Social Security is a joke. They don't even pretend it's adequate anymore.

AFAIK that is not the argument. the argument is two fold.

First they cut down the tax progression and create what is euphemistically referred to as a "larger tax base" or as anyone with an understanding of the English language would refer to it they tax poor people more. They proceed to throw their arms up in the air and proclaim they can't possibly pay for it now. (The ultimate extension of this is called the "Fair Tax")

Second they start to rip unions and how they hurt production and this and that. Ultimately people get duped because they don't get both sides of the story, yea unions do decrease production. But production is only as good as its increase to the quality of life, which unions do (ie you are happier if you have more control/flexibility with regards to hours and what not) so they are asking to you exchange happiness for consumer happiness... its a shiat deal. And people get all jacked up and call other people selfish.

IT worker. Just got a 5% raise


/woot!

Big Al: The_Pirate Quote 2011-01-27 12:01:49 PM
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HAHA...


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You can laugh but it's true. I have seen the IT dept at my company run around fixing virus outbreaks, windows corruptions, spyware, slowdown caused by everything from spyware viruses and registry errors, windows updates corrupting systems, etc.

Osx is such a superior platform in every respect, and deployment is built in with ARD, rather than buying expensive applications then learning how stupid they are like Altiris.

Your IT department sucks. Virus outbreak? Spyware? Not in a looooong time, sparky. A proper MS network with proper safeguards and proper GP restrictions doesn't really have a problem with this. I haven't seen one in at least seven years and I support ~4000 machines in an educational environment. Is it perfect? Naw. But, I can just about guarantee neither is your mythical OSX land of puppies and kittens where the pillows are oh so fluffy. I'm not automatically a MacOS hater, but most enterprise level software isn't written for it and most people don't know how to use it. You have to support the world you live in, not the one you wish you did.

/State IT worker getting a kick.