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2011-01-25 08:54:58 AM  
That link sucked. I even clicked on the transcript so that I could actually READ something, and it sucked.

I think the only redeeming thing to do will be to make this an epic gamer girl picture thread. Unfortunately, I'm at work and even the GIS was enough to make me a bit nervous. Oh, what the hell:

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2011-01-25 08:58:33 AM  

dahmers love zombie: ... an epic gamer girl picture thread ...



This is the reason they get so little respect.
 
2011-01-25 08:59:46 AM  
Meh, gamer girls don't get respect because they don't go for us smelly fat basement dwelling gamer guys, and we don't like that.

/I keed I keed
 
2011-01-25 09:00:04 AM  

mr0x: dahmers love zombie: ... an epic gamer girl picture thread ...

This is the reason they get so little respect.


Because they hardly ever do this?
 
2011-01-25 09:00:15 AM  

dahmers love zombie: Oh, what the hell:


In true nerd fashion: "HOLY shiat! The things I would do with an old school NES! AWESOME!"
 
2011-01-25 09:01:03 AM  
The problem with girl gamers is that they think they are disrespected because they are female, this is incorrect. Online games are cesspools of disrespect of all flavors for all targets.

For more information see Penny Arcade's internet dickwad theory.

/It also doesn't help that they use handles like hell chic, PMS, or slut_bucket
//Those are actual handles
 
2011-01-25 09:02:21 AM  
I vote 'Yes' to Epic Gamer Girl Thread.

It will give me something to do .. later tonight ..
 
2011-01-25 09:06:06 AM  

Mighty Taternuts: The problem with girl gamers is that they think they are disrespected because they are female, this is incorrect. Online games are cesspools of disrespect of all flavors for all targets.


So, there are also lots of gay guys making crude passes at every other male?
 
2011-01-25 09:08:33 AM  
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Say what you will about her "man jaw" or anything else, but she's the only hot amazonian gamer chick for me. And she ACTUALLY PLAYS GAMES AND KNOWS ABOUT COMPUTERS.

Don't anyone post pictures of Olivia Munn, though. Yes, she's a pandering non-geek that appeals to the "nerd" stereotype, she was the tip of the spear that pierced the heart of TechTV.

/nerd rage is strong this afternoon
 
2011-01-25 09:11:13 AM  

abb3w: Mighty Taternuts: The problem with girl gamers is that they think they are disrespected because they are female, this is incorrect. Online games are cesspools of disrespect of all flavors for all targets.

So, there are also lots of gay guys making crude passes at every other male?


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/obligatory
 
2011-01-25 09:11:39 AM  
Just out of my close circle of friends, I can come up with four gamer girls I know, three of which play WoW and the other one works in animation and is probably the biggest geek I know. Of these four, none have ever mentioned feeling disrespected online, none have ever tried hiding that they are female, and only one dresses funny.
 
2011-01-25 09:11:51 AM  
google mage 'gamer girl' even on strict filter at work... oh my...
 
2011-01-25 09:12:12 AM  

abb3w: So, there are also lots of gay guys making crude passes at every other male?


The actual disrespect may be different based on the target, but it's still just a symptom of the actual disease. If a guy has a squeaky voice, he's a wuss/puss/"gay" ect... If they are female, they get hit on and demanded to show their tits.

Even if the method is different, the point is the same: To piss off an annoy.
 
2011-01-25 09:15:24 AM  
Wow, my pic of Ms. Webb ended up kind of... Large. Sorry about that.

Also, CSB:

My friend always swore that he wouldn't get married until he met a woman that could beat him at Quake (back when that was THE game to play, of course). In the end, he ended up marrying a icy harpy that made him sell off his gaming rig and won't let him buy another, because it takes too much space.

I'm whipped, by my own admission, but DAMN.
 
2011-01-25 09:17:47 AM  

abb3w: Mighty Taternuts: The problem with girl gamers is that they think they are disrespected because they are female, this is incorrect. Online games are cesspools of disrespect of all flavors for all targets.

So, there are also lots of gay guys making crude passes at every other male?


Having played WoW, yes, yes there are.
 
2011-01-25 09:22:21 AM  

gmoney101: google mage 'gamer girl' even on strict filter at work... oh my...


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Yeah baby. Work it.
 
2011-01-25 09:27:24 AM  
Shadowknight:

So who is that chick? You post the picture like we'd all automatically know who she is.

//Does Felicia Day count? I think she's as cute as it gets.//
 
2011-01-25 09:28:35 AM  
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2011-01-25 09:29:31 AM  
My opinion? As much as it's a stereotype, too many gaming guys are utterly socially inept and have no idea how to properly interact with a member of the opposite sex. I was talking with one of the only girls to join my university's PC gaming club last fall about that very topic, within a month she'd already picked up two e-stalkers through the club website, and almost had one real one. The rest of us sane people ostracized the creeps pretty quick, but it's a real problem to be sure.
 
2011-01-25 09:32:34 AM  

abb3w: So, there are also lots of gay guys making crude passes at every other male?


That has happened to me but I, probably like most other people have been called racial slurs, immature names, and all kinds of other things. Just because women think that disrespect manifests in sexist stuff doesn't change the fact that they aren't being harassed because they are girls, they are being attacked because there are basically zero repercussions for online behavior.
 
2011-01-25 09:36:31 AM  
To all the silly guys that want a gamer girl:

1) Find a girl.

2) Get her into gaming.

3) Profit (and by profit I mean get your heart utterly stomped when she decides to run off with someone from your guild who isn't still living in his parent's basement)
 
2011-01-25 09:42:27 AM  
This is why gamer girls get no respect.
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I had to demo a game I was working on for some gamer gurl press chick who thought she was hot shiat. All during the setup she kept interrupting my explanations trying to impress me with gamer cred (Is there auto-assisted aiming? No? Good, I hate that.). The demo itself wasn't all that hard but the boss fight at the end could be impossible *if* you didn't figure out how the moves work. So Mrs. I'm-so-good-at-shooters disregards everything I just explained about the game and tries to show me how she's going to pwn the game. She keeps trying to do the moves wrong or in weird combinations and at first I let her, hoping she'll get a feel for it but it quickly becomes obvious she's not so I step in and give some hints. This only makes her more determined to keep doing what she's doing until eventually she gives up and moves on to the next game. Thanks for wasting review time with your misguided attempt to defend your gender.
 
2011-01-25 09:45:19 AM  
Here we go! Bring on the pics, boys.
 
2011-01-25 09:45:26 AM  
Problem lies in the general (but not universal) attitude among gamers, most noticeably competitive gamers.

It's common to insult, gank, grief, harass, lie, cheat, steal, and twenty other synonyms that mean "bad stuff." But... why?

Usually the responses are "That's just how it is," "That's the internet," "It's normal," "lol wtf y u ask stfu nub," Etc.

Those are illogical responses. They're saying it's normal because it happens, and it happens because it's normal. No, it didn't start off that way. Someone started acting like a jerk, others did the same, and it spread. And now we end up with articles like this and good people who are reluctant to play certain games just because of the community.

Female gamers become rare due to how insulting people generally are, and when the few determined ones reveal their sex, there's an awe among the male population. A hushed silence, as if they spotted a unicorn...

...And then suddenly they all want to mount & poach said unicorn. Perhaps not even in that order.

Any person who stands out a bit is attacked by the rest, even if it's just a matter of skill. High-pitched people are called kids and not listened to. Lisped people are called homosexuals and targeted. Skilled people are called cheaters/hackers and will even have people make up false evidence against them.

Is this really the legacy we want to have?
 
2011-01-25 09:45:49 AM  
40% of gamers are girls only if you allow things like boggle and farmville are games. Otherwise I would guess it's like 5%.
 
2011-01-25 09:48:55 AM  

manimal2878: 5%.


And I would say that 2.5% of that is WoW and 2.5% is FPS...

/I don't respect people who call themselves "harcore gamers" and only play one genre of games
 
2011-01-25 09:51:47 AM  

rickycal78: Meh, gamer girls don't get respect because they don't go for us smelly fat basement dwelling gamer guys, and we don't like that.

/I keed I keed


Actually, I'm pretty sure that's accurate.
 
2011-01-25 09:54:43 AM  

consciousNOT: Here we go! Bring on the pics, boys.


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/You said "Picts", right?
 
2011-01-25 09:58:15 AM  

dittybopper: consciousNOT: Here we go! Bring on the pics, boys.

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/You said "Picts", right?


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2011-01-25 09:58:23 AM  

TF2_Pyro: Problem lies in the general (but not universal) attitude among gamers, most noticeably competitive gamers.

It's common to insult, gank, grief, harass, lie, cheat, steal, and twenty other synonyms that mean "bad stuff." But... why?

Usually the responses are "That's just how it is," "That's the internet," "It's normal," "lol wtf y u ask stfu nub," Etc.

Those are illogical responses. They're saying it's normal because it happens, and it happens because it's normal. No, it didn't start off that way. Someone started acting like a jerk, others did the same, and it spread. And now we end up with articles like this and good people who are reluctant to play certain games just because of the community.


It's pretty much this. Gamer "culture" can be pretty vulgar and unforgiving to the uninitiated. Most of that has to do with its competitive nature. A lot of these games, especially online shooters like CoD or Halo, tap into this primal nature within people and then quantify it by giving it a score depending on how well you do. It's a lot of unrestrained rage. I'm convinced of this.

Let's face it. While 40% of gamers are female (per the article), advertising for games are primarily aimed at guys. It's just a fact. I'm not saying it's right, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why a lot of gamer girls aren't so willing to out themselves.
 
2011-01-25 09:58:24 AM  
Hardcore gaming is hyper-masculine because ultimately, that's the market it's aiming for: males aged 14-17, in mindset if not in actual age. It's a cycle that feeds on itself: these manchildren buy games, which ensures more games are made that target them, and they buy even more in response. This will continue as long as the games keep being bought, which will continue for as long as most gamers want them.

In other words, don't hate the game, hate the player. The goal of changing the state of the industry is a good one, but these people have chosen the wrong place to strike. As long as all they do is put out a few non-mainstream games in defiance of the market, they're doomed to be overwhelmed by the market. Instead, they need to be going after the market itself, demanding cultural change and rejecting the creepy adolescent (or adolescent-minded) males that rule the current market. Once the fratcore are pushed back to the fringe whence they came, the games will follow. But the move has to be culture-oriented, not business-oriented, in order to work.
 
2011-01-25 09:58:30 AM  
I dunno, probably because most gamer girls think the act of playing video games is what makes them hot when the barometer should be whether or not they're good at video games?

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More ToSsGirL, stat!
 
2011-01-25 09:58:39 AM  
Gamer girls get as much respect as everyone does in multiplayer gaming - zero.

It has very little to do with sexism, and very much to do with the fact that most people who play multiplayer games (public matches) are jackasses.
 
2011-01-25 09:59:18 AM  

TF2_Pyro: Problem lies in the general (but not universal) attitude among gamers, most noticeably competitive gamers.

It's common to insult, gank, grief, harass, lie, cheat, steal, and twenty other synonyms that mean "bad stuff." But... why?

Usually the responses are "That's just how it is," "That's the internet," "It's normal," "lol wtf y u ask stfu nub," Etc.

Those are illogical responses. They're saying it's normal because it happens, and it happens because it's normal. No, it didn't start off that way. Someone started acting like a jerk, others did the same, and it spread. And now we end up with articles like this and good people who are reluctant to play certain games just because of the community.

Female gamers become rare due to how insulting people generally are, and when the few determined ones reveal their sex, there's an awe among the male population. A hushed silence, as if they spotted a unicorn...

...And then suddenly they all want to mount & poach said unicorn. Perhaps not even in that order.

Any person who stands out a bit is attacked by the rest, even if it's just a matter of skill. High-pitched people are called kids and not listened to. Lisped people are called homosexuals and targeted. Skilled people are called cheaters/hackers and will even have people make up false evidence against them.

Is this really the legacy we want to have?


Lets take FPS for example

You are in an evironment that provides:

Anonymity
Competetiveness
The ability to take violent actions against somebody with no legal repercussions.
A group who the majority are socially inept males under 12 who have never had contact with a female other then their relatives and who are hitting puberty with no strong role models and no outlet for their feelings.

You try to stop that chaotic mixture.

I think it would be intersting to compare rounds of an FPS. Groups would be varied due to age, gender, race, etc...

I would like to see how many offensive comments are thrown each round, and see what trends emerge.
 
2011-01-25 09:59:26 AM  
Gamer Girls get no respect because Gamer Guys don't even show that to each other. You are no different.

Trust me ladies, you're already in the loop. Quit your whining.
 
2011-01-25 10:00:11 AM  

overlord: This is why gamer girls get no respect.


I had to demo a game I was working on for some gamer gurl press chick who thought she was hot shiat. All during the setup she kept interrupting my explanations trying to impress me with gamer cred (Is there auto-assisted aiming? No? Good, I hate that.). The demo itself wasn't all that hard but the boss fight at the end could be impossible *if* you didn't figure out how the moves work. So Mrs. I'm-so-good-at-shooters disregards everything I just explained about the game and tries to show me how she's going to pwn the game. She keeps trying to do the moves wrong or in weird combinations and at first I let her, hoping she'll get a feel for it but it quickly becomes obvious she's not so I step in and give some hints. This only makes her more determined to keep doing what she's doing until eventually she gives up and moves on to the next game. Thanks for wasting review time with your misguided attempt to defend your gender.


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There are a lot of obnoxious, know-it-all gamers arounds, particularly in gaming press. It's not a girl thing.
 
2011-01-25 10:09:38 AM  
I love how so many people are defending what amounts to passive-agressiveness (being derogatory anonymously over the internet) as "competitive."

While there is a place for shiat-talking in competition, the vast majority of the disrespect in online gaming is rooted in pure insecurity.
 
2011-01-25 10:12:41 AM  

TF2_Pyro: Problem lies in the general (but not universal) attitude among gamers, most noticeably competitive gamers.

It's common to insult, gank, grief, harass, lie, cheat, steal, and twenty other synonyms that mean "bad stuff." But... why?

Usually the responses are "That's just how it is," "That's the internet," "It's normal," "lol wtf y u ask stfu nub," Etc.

Those are illogical responses. They're saying it's normal because it happens, and it happens because it's normal. No, it didn't start off that way. Someone started acting like a jerk, others did the same, and it spread. And now we end up with articles like this and good people who are reluctant to play certain games just because of the community.

Female gamers become rare due to how insulting people generally are, and when the few determined ones reveal their sex, there's an awe among the male population. A hushed silence, as if they spotted a unicorn...

...And then suddenly they all want to mount & poach said unicorn. Perhaps not even in that order.

Any person who stands out a bit is attacked by the rest, even if it's just a matter of skill. High-pitched people are called kids and not listened to. Lisped people are called homosexuals and targeted. Skilled people are called cheaters/hackers and will even have people make up false evidence against them.

Is this really the legacy we want to have?


STFU that is way to long.
 
2011-01-25 10:15:25 AM  

Straelbora: Shadowknight:

So who is that chick? You post the picture like we'd all automatically know who she is.

//Does Felicia Day count? I think she's as cute as it gets.//


Sorry, forgot that part. Morgan Webb. She started out on TechTV as their resident tech tweak girl. She started out just working as an editor, researcher, or something behind the scenes when they realized that she was a good personality, knowledgeable, and had nice tits.

She stuck on after the Comcast buyout and it became G4, one of like two people (her and Adam Sessler) that survived the merger I believe. But even their show got lobotomized and made "xtreme!" enough that I couldn't watch it anymore.

But, she's still hot. This was from a Maxim or FSM shoot she did. She did another, and had a monthly column in one of the men's magazines that she posed in a bikini and talked games. And I love her with an undying passion.

/the wife knows, and even agreed with me one drunken night of too much wine
 
2011-01-25 10:15:33 AM  

Shadowknight: My friend always swore that he wouldn't get married until he met a woman that could beat him at Quake (back when that was THE game to play, of course). In the end, he ended up marrying a icy harpy that made him sell off his gaming rig and won't let him buy another, because it takes too much space.


I guess, technically, she beat him at Quake.
 
2011-01-25 10:17:09 AM  

A Leaf in Fall: While there is a place for shiat-talking in competition, the vast majority of the disrespect in online gaming is rooted in pure insecurity.


I would think that this applies to more fields then just online gaming.

Insults, disrespect, etc... in competitive areas is nothing new. It is used to get into the mind of your opponent, to find a crack in their armor. I would almost say its an evolutionary trait.

If you are early man competeing for survival, wouldn't you try everything in your power to take down your opponent, especially if it is a life and death situation? Granted, its not life and death anymore, but it is still competition.

/something along those lines, trying to stir the discussion here
 
2011-01-25 10:18:19 AM  
My wife is a "gamer girl", although she won't admit it - she's quiet, unassuming, not exactly "hardcore", and yet I've watched her PvP other folks (including, on occasion, me) into the ground in at least three different games. She also doesn't exactly fit the manufactured stereotype. Warms my heart, she does.

As for trash-talking, it's a sure sign of mediocrity. If you can, you can just demonstrate it instead of talking about it, and if you can't, what do you have about which to talk? Don't run your gums - just bring it.
 
2011-01-25 10:20:26 AM  
Gl hf gg
 
2011-01-25 10:21:35 AM  
dumpstergirl:There are a lot of obnoxious, know-it-all gamers arounds, particularly in gaming press. It's not a girl thing.

Nah, she made it pretty clear that for her it was about being a girl. I might have empathized if it weren't for the "aren't you impressed that I'm a girl and I'm going to play your game" attitude.
 
2011-01-25 10:21:38 AM  
Why do all the best threads start while I'm at work? Because I work too much.
 
2011-01-25 10:23:13 AM  

dumpstergirl: overlord: This is why gamer girls get no respect.


I had to demo a game I was working on for some gamer gurl press chick who thought she was hot shiat. All during the setup she kept interrupting my explanations trying to impress me with gamer cred (Is there auto-assisted aiming? No? Good, I hate that.). The demo itself wasn't all that hard but the boss fight at the end could be impossible *if* you didn't figure out how the moves work. So Mrs. I'm-so-good-at-shooters disregards everything I just explained about the game and tries to show me how she's going to pwn the game. She keeps trying to do the moves wrong or in weird combinations and at first I let her, hoping she'll get a feel for it but it quickly becomes obvious she's not so I step in and give some hints. This only makes her more determined to keep doing what she's doing until eventually she gives up and moves on to the next game. Thanks for wasting review time with your misguided attempt to defend your gender.

There are a lot of obnoxious, know-it-all gamers arounds, particularly in gaming press. It's not a girl thing.


Exactly. farking exactly.

I have seen guys at my local Gamestop throw farking fits when they couldn't get past a part of a level on a demo, completely ignore helpful suggestions from other people, and just generally turn into whiny babbys who would refuse to take help. I hear guys get into dick measuring contests all the time about which one of them is more hard core while they spout out attempts at random "gamer cred" nonsense. Nobody ever says "Hey, dude, quit trying to defend your gender."

Yet a reviewer who happens to be female does behavior that is similar and it's because she's trying hard to impress you with how women are gamers.

To the topic in general: I personally tend to get a fair amount of respect, and I don't really go out of my way to hide my gender or to advertise it. If someone calls me "he" or something on a board or in chat I don't say "actually, that's 'she'" because really, my chromosomes aren't relevant to the topic at hand.

I don't care about how a game is advertised - I mean, if the game is fun and interesting and I like it, I don't get all angry because advertisers take advantage of the fact that improbably busty (yet ass-kicking!) women in impractical costumes sell games. The only time I get bugged by advertising is when they're pandering to some incredibly stupid stereotype of what they imagine a woman is - the Oxygen/Hallmark network watching, Oprah worshiping version, or the "Oh, I'm so SPUNKY and look at my pigtails and skull jewelry!" people.

I don't care if people act like assholes in games - usually they can be silenced in one way or another, and let's face it, anyone who feels the need to be a complete jackwagon in that way is just doing it to instill exactly those angsty "why won't people be nice to me" feelings, so why give 'em what they want?
 
2011-01-25 10:24:13 AM  
And that, she says, is very frustrating.

So she's frustrated, eh?

/wink wink
//I can help with that
 
2011-01-25 10:24:59 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Gamer Girls get no respect because Gamer Guys don't even show that to each other. You are no different.

Trust me ladies, you're already in the loop. Quit your whining.


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/obligatory
 
2011-01-25 10:25:24 AM  

FormlessOne: As for trash-talking, it's a sure sign of mediocrity. If you can, you can just demonstrate it instead of talking about it, and if you can't, what do you have about which to talk? Don't run your gums - just bring it.


I see it as a viable tatic.

Taunt your opponent, attempt to make them lose their cool. It disrupts focus and makes them open to mistakes.
 
2011-01-25 10:25:46 AM  

Shadowknight: Say what you will about her "man jaw" or anything else, but she's the only hot amazonian gamer chick for me.


Not to nit-pick but WTF is the definition of Amazonian chick in your world?

She's 5'7 and probably 115 lbs (at least in that picture). She's slightly taller than average but that's far from Amazonian.

This:

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