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(boston.com)   Iraq accountablitity probe stopped by Senate. Spend away, boys   (boston.com) divider line 175
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2003-07-16 07:06:13 PM
''It's impossible to know what the cost will be of fighting this war in advance,'' said Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee.


I think just a "more than you could ever comprehend" would suffice.
 
2003-07-16 07:34:54 PM
fark the gop

these are the same people who accuse the democrats of wasting americans' money?

and fark the iraqi's too, let them police their own country
 
2003-07-16 08:38:12 PM
Oh, I'm a Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb nubianhs
and make a lot o' bling

I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.

You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue

I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice

'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow

Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'

Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears

Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts

Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well fark YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!
 
2003-07-16 08:38:47 PM
Democrats = Tax & Spend.

Republicans = Spend.
 
2003-07-16 08:39:45 PM
Good thing those tax-and-spend liberals aren't controlling congress or we might be having budget problems! whew!
 
2003-07-16 08:41:26 PM
IT'S ALL BUSHES FAULT!!

Move over Hitler!!
 
2003-07-16 08:43:11 PM
It's impossible to know what the cost will be of fighting this war in advance...

True. But, the White House, I can assure you, has very detailed budget numbers already calculated. In the time I worked in Washington (Executive Office of the President, Office of Management and Budget, Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs), every single item that crossed my desk -- every one, regardless of how seemingly minor -- had a budget impact estimate attached. The idea that the Bushies have no idea, no estimates on how much Iraq will cost us is too incredible to take seriously.

When will the people wake up and realize George Bush and his entire administration are a bunch of crooks and liars? This is, bar none, the most dishonest, deceptive, unethical White House in history.
 
2003-07-16 08:44:13 PM


I AM YOUR LORD AND MASTER! I AM PERFECT! I AM NEVER WRONG! OBEY AND AND LIVE! DISOBEY AND DIE!
 
2003-07-16 08:44:24 PM
Actually that should have read:

Democrats = Tax & Spend

Republicans = Spend. biatch and moan when Democrats raise taxes to pay for it.
 
2003-07-16 08:45:03 PM
C'mon, guys, don't ya know it takes money to make money? And the sooner we gun down all them 'Rackies, the sooner we can start diggin' up all that sweet, sweet oil. . . .

/firestarter
 
2003-07-16 08:45:39 PM
Remember to vote, people. Please.
 
2003-07-16 08:46:13 PM
Aw, c'mon! We can't have a flamewar when the database is so slow! For shame, mods! ;)
 
2003-07-16 08:46:44 PM
[White House Spokesman] McClellan said he saw ''good, steady progress in Iraq in terms of reconstruction and stability and moving toward a democracy.'' But as he spoke during his morning news briefing, however, the U.S. military announced that the pro-American mayor of Hadithah in western Iraq was shot and killed Wednesday along with one of his nine sons.
 
2003-07-16 08:47:21 PM
Shader, didn't you know? Everything is Clinton's fault. If not, then....well, Clinton got blown.

Nice song/poem, revscat. An original composition?
 
2003-07-16 08:51:27 PM
eraser8, so you're saying I should vote Democrat in 2004?

/We are so screwed.
 
2003-07-16 08:53:08 PM
mr pinkeye:

That song is a pretty standard FARK troll
 
2003-07-16 08:54:41 PM
I bet the French are laughing their way to the bank.
 
2003-07-16 09:01:26 PM
zmbabwe that paragraph made me laugh. It probably shouldn't have, considering two people were killed...but...
 
2003-07-16 09:02:57 PM

Too bad no one is paying attention -

look over there! Its Hoffa's buried in Michigan! Breaking news on the Laci Peterson case!! OMFG Big Brother is on right now!!!!!

 
2003-07-16 09:03:23 PM
LemurBoy2000, I've been aware of the problems with "paperless" voting for some time. And, it is a serious cause for concern. I agree with those who think electronic voting machines should produce a paper record in addition to the record stored within the machines themselves. But, I would go one step further and mandate that the paper receipt -- and, not the electronic record -- be considered the official ballot.

In any case, while I can't tell you who you should vote for, I will almost certainly vote for the Democrat (even though I'm not a Democrat and even though I despise most of the Democrats running). I don't see that I have any other choice.
 
2003-07-16 09:06:27 PM
The Real Story
 
2003-07-16 09:08:01 PM
well lets see. If we get a million barrels a day going at $20 a barrel, that's $600,000,00 million a month minus overhead of, oh lets say, $100,000,000 a month, leaves half a billion dollars take home.

And its costing $3.5 billion a month. So somewhere we need to come up with $3 billion.

Wow, someone should have told them going to war for oil wasn't going to be profitable.

How much can we get for those artifacts?
 
2003-07-16 09:09:01 PM
I sure do love this war! Boy, I'm glad we plunged into it! I'm glad we found all of Saddam's weapons! I'm glad the Iraqi people are free! I'm glad their quality of life has increased, and I'm glad they're all grateful to us for freeing them from Saddam!

I'm glad Bush's tax cuts saved the economy! I'm glad unemployment dropped, and I'm glad there's no projected deficit! I'm glad basic human services have increased! I'm glad we've restored our world reputation!

I'm glad EVERY FARKING THING BUSH HAS PUT HIS HANDS ON HASN'T SET ON FIRE AND THEN SMASHED INTO THE FLOOR AND GROUND INTO THE CARPETING!

Oh, and for all you Greens out there:

I'm really glad Nader ran. There really isn't a difference. I hope he runs again so that Bush can continue tearing our nation into little tiny pieces.
 
2003-07-16 09:12:49 PM
 
2003-07-16 09:13:39 PM
pkjun: I heard that Iraq is looking for a new Information Minister.
 
2003-07-16 09:14:21 PM
Shut........UP writes: Wow, someone should have told them going to war for oil wasn't going to be profitable.

Why? They already knew it wasn't going to be profitable for the country as a whole. But, it'll definitely be profitable for Bush's campaign contributors and oil buddies. The United States government (i.e. you and me) cover all the costs -- while the private corporations take all the profits.
 
2003-07-16 09:19:34 PM
Whoa... I've seen *maybe* one defense of Bush on this thread- and Fark is, dare I say it, *infested* with conservatives these days. Could it be that maybe- just maybe- people are starting to wake up?

Nahhh.
 
2003-07-16 09:27:06 PM
In other words you don't know how much we can get for the artifacts!

Maybe we need to sell naming rights. Change Baghdad to "Baghdad Sponsored by Orbitz". Or "Reconstruction brought to you by Home Depot". or "Priceline, brought to bring you Iraqi Oil"

That should at least pay for August.
 
2003-07-16 09:28:35 PM
As a registered Libertarian, I think the only sensible thing to do in the 2004 elections is to flee the country.

My forefathers died for this country.

I just have to wonder, would they, had they known what it would become?

Raytheon
McDonnel-Douglas
Boeing
Haliburton...

Your government or theirs?
 
2003-07-16 09:28:50 PM
Thats should be Proud to Bring you from Priceline.

ohh screw it. I'm gonna go save my prostate.
 
2003-07-16 09:31:56 PM
I see the headlines say "US Soldier killed by sniper in IRaq" my gawd that's from last week, they keep running the same headline everyday. Well, it's liberal media bias, clearly
 
2003-07-16 09:32:38 PM
No matter what side of the fence you're sitting on, the fact that we can't learn how much of our taxes are being spent in a war where our soldiers are dying should tell you all you need to know about your freedoms and your democracy.

/Oh, I forgot. It's about national security.
 
2003-07-16 09:32:58 PM
VOTE REPUBLICAN
 
2003-07-16 09:34:25 PM
captainktainer They are all waiting for the thread to drop off the main page... "Sssh, if we keep quiet, and submit enough boobies links, maybe noone will notice..."
 
2003-07-16 09:34:42 PM
Shut........UP, unless you're a Bush campaign contributor, YOU will be paying for August through taxes (and, deficit spending). And, you see a cent from the oil or the artifacts.
 
2003-07-16 09:36:05 PM
Bush: That's another non-Republican thought. It looks like the American people are starting to think. Ashcroft, remove the colored chalk.
Ashcroft: I warned ye! Didn't I warn ye! That colored chalk was forged by Lucifer himself!
 
2003-07-16 09:36:17 PM
Thank you for the link, LemurBoy2K. MOST interesting, to say the very least.

Jeez, why can't the world just be a good damn place to live?
 
2003-07-16 09:36:47 PM
I have an extra $30 bucks that I thought about giving to the gov't to help pay for the war, but I'll probably spend it on weed.

Our government is like an 18-year-old with his first credit card. "It's like free money! I'll never have to pay!!"
 
2003-07-16 09:36:56 PM
captainktainer : Whoa... I've seen *maybe* one defense of Bush on this thread- and Fark is, dare I say it, *infested* with conservatives these days. Could it be that maybe- just maybe- people are starting to wake up?

Nahhh.


Was thinking the same thing myself.. but then i got to thinking that most conservatives are quick to action before thought, and impatient... so what with all these db problems, just got the shiats, and stormed off before making a post =)
 
2003-07-16 09:37:36 PM
That is, you won't see a cent...
 
2003-07-16 09:39:44 PM
Holy crap, LemurBoy2000, that's one frightening article.

I oughta check out that PhD dissertation....
 
2003-07-16 09:43:15 PM
"unless you're a Bush campaign contributor, YOU will be paying"

Bush contributors don't pay taxes? wow, thats a brilliant move to gain supporters.

"And, you see a cent from the oil or the artifacts."

Well that sucks. Oil checks and pissing off Harmonia were the only reason I supported the war.

Oh well, theres always Liberia. They must be packed with resourses.
 
2003-07-16 09:45:35 PM
''The president's remaining focused on his priorities for the American people that's winning the war on terrorism, which the battle in Iraq was about, and protecting the homeland and strengthening our economy.'

So that would be an 0 for 3 for GWB! Well I guess the Homeland is safe thanks to an increase in sales of Duct Tape.
 
2003-07-16 09:46:35 PM
Aren't we out of money yet?

"I can't take his money, I can't print my own money, You want me to work for money. Why don't I just lay down and die!"

/US=Homer
 
2003-07-16 09:48:58 PM
Well, I guess we could print more money, but maybe we should ask the Germans how that worked out for them a while back.

/Wheelbarrows of $50's for box of Ho Ho's coming soon
 
2003-07-16 09:49:43 PM
Oh, they might have an estimate... but whether or not it'd be remotely accurate would be mostly be in the hands of the Iraqis, and specifically the ones that aren't friends of the US. If, for instance, the newly appointed Iraqi council were wiped out tomorrow by a car bomb, or perhaps unexplained explosions started occurring at mosques, things could get far uglier far faster. Somebody shoots Bremer? Well, that might throw a wrench into things. And so forth.

It doesn't help that the Iraqis seemed to have massively optimistic assumptions about the power of the US, either. It takes time, and just as importantly it takes the cooperation of the locals, to restore infrastructure and build up enough of a non-Baathist civil service to even think about, say, holding elections without it turning into a "which faction has the most guns, most organization, and most intimidating followers" thing.

Personally, I'd be surprised if it weren't a fairly messy multiyear commitment. It's still arguably better than either watching the sanctions continue with practically nil behavior-changing effect, or alternately letting the old regime proceed unfettered as it pumps money into the arms markets and as well as Palestinian extremists.
 
2003-07-16 09:51:49 PM
You all should be ashamed of yourselves for talking like that! Don't you realize that we wouldn't be free if our boys weren't out there killing people in some far off land?

war is terrorism.
 
2003-07-16 09:54:53 PM
Here's a serious question that I hope some helpful Farker can answer:

I've been trying to find unbiased reports and accountings (not accounts) of the various mass graves being unearthed in Iraq. So far, from what I've been able to gather, virtually ALL of the murders occurred either 1) when Saddam was an American ally or 2) in 1991 after the United States urged the Iraqi people to rise up -- yet failed to offer support for the insurrection.

There are virtually no instances of contemporary or recent graves that I can find. The closest I've come across is the murder of a few dozen people in 1999.

In other words, I'm trying to ascertain whether the new British/American argument that the war was one of humanitarian rescue can validly use the mass graves as evidence of justification. From what I've seen so far, the mass graves are merely another indictment of US and British policy. And, I'm also interested in finding out how Republicans can credibly claim that Hussein's massacres -- which happened so long ago and at least partially as a result of US perfidy -- could justify intervention in Iraq when they felt that Milosevic's contemporary and ongoing atrocities in Kosovo were not justification enough for that war.

Also, I'm not looking for information that will support what I've already found. I am particularly interested in information that would refute my position. After all, one of my guiding principles was pronounced by the nineteenth century British scientist Thomas Huxley: Politics warns me to be careful how I adopt a view which jumps with my preconceptions, and to require stronger evidence for such belief than for the one to which I was previously hostile. My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonize with my aspirations.
 
2003-07-16 09:56:36 PM
It's still arguably better than either watching the sanctions continue with practically nil behavior-changing effect, or alternately letting the old regime proceed unfettered

And arguably better than that pesky death-toll we seem to be cultivating amongst our troops, eh, Korovyov? And all on the basis of lies, greed and paranoia.

/Why do I hate America? Ain't it obvious?
 
2003-07-16 09:57:07 PM
Shut........UP writes: Bush contributors don't pay taxes?

If you can find anywhere that I made that assertion, I'll buy you a cookie.

Oh well, theres always Liberia. They must be packed with resourses.

If Liberia were, we'd already be there in full force.
 
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