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(The Daily Beast)   Every year, 4th and 8th graders are tested in reading and math. Here's how the states fared, from best to worst. (warning: slideshow)   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2011-01-24 02:54:22 PM  
#3 New Jersey!!!

MTV has been lying to me.
 
2011-01-24 02:54:30 PM  
What bothers me the most is the huge discrepancy/decline of advanced reading from 4th grade to 8th grade in nearly every state.

What does this say about our country?
 
2011-01-24 02:54:36 PM  
I think this slideshow is all an elaborate plan to get states to do better....Hey kids! Don't want to click through 50 slides? Then do better on your damn tests and you can be like Massachusetts here, and be done in one!

As a MA resident, we suck in a few ways, but education definitely isn't one of them. And it scares me to think what other states must be like, because I still see a lot of terrible schools/students here, and we're still at the top of the list.
 
2011-01-24 02:54:48 PM  
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3 theories:

1. The northeast states are furthest away from Mexico, and have lower numbers of non-English speaking students. (They may have more international immigrants from Europe or east Asia, but they are more likely to speak English)

2. The northeast states have a higher cost of living, so there may be a larger percentage of wealthy families living there. Wealth is positively correlated with intelligence, test scores, health, longevity, etc.

3. Northeast has a "reputation" for having good students and good schools. Good teachers work their way out of bad schools and into better schools located in the northeast. The crappy teachers stay stuck in crappy schools (Mississippi) and the students get a crappy education.
 
2011-01-24 02:55:17 PM  
Surprise, surprise, surprise!

lh6.ggpht.com
 
2011-01-24 02:55:29 PM  

quickdraw: California is BELOW Arizona. sigh. I remember pre prop 13 when California had one of the best educational systems in the world.


This. Grew up and was educated under that system. (Now remove yourself from my micro-green belt.)

When they write the book on the eventual downfall of the United States, chapter one will be called Prop 13.
 
2011-01-24 02:55:30 PM  
Generally, if you want to figure out where a state ranks, figure out the percentage of black and Hispanic students in the state's student body. Race swamps everything in these test scores.

quickdraw: California is BELOW Arizona. sigh. I remember pre prop 13 massive Mexican immigration when California had one of the best educational systems in the world.


Fixed for you. After Prop 13 came Prop 98. California's fall is not the result of reduced education spending; it's the result of a dumber student population.

Prop 98 (new window)
 
2011-01-24 02:55:50 PM  
Pennsylvania was 7th?

Holy shiat.
 
2011-01-24 02:56:49 PM  

sweetmelissa31: FlashHarry: not a lot of red states up front. gee, i wonder why that is.

Liberal media bias, as usual.


I heard a discussion on Bill Cunningham's talk radio show not long ago (AM 700 WLW, Cincinnati), about that Chinese "Tiger Mom" featured in the Wall Street Journal. It was the opinion of Mr Cunningham and his callers that school is for losers and geeks.

As one caller put it, "Everyone knows that A students go into teaching, because they don't have the life skills to succeed at a real job. And the B students always end up working for the C students. Education doesn't help you in real life."

So suck it, educated elitists!
 
2011-01-24 02:57:22 PM  
Hmmm... so in the last five years I've moved form 5 to 16 to 18, unless you count that 15 week stay in 45 between 16 and 18. Still, with hard work and dedication, I hope to one day finally make it to Mississippi.
 
2011-01-24 02:58:03 PM  

dave_dfwm: .

3 theories:

1. The northeast states are furthest away from Mexico, and have lower numbers of non-English speaking students. (They may have more international immigrants from Europe or east Asia, but they are more likely to speak English)

2. The northeast states have a higher cost of living, so there may be a larger percentage of wealthy families living there. Wealth is positively correlated with intelligence, test scores, health, longevity, etc.

3. Northeast has a "reputation" for having good students and good schools. Good teachers work their way out of bad schools and into better schools located in the northeast. The crappy teachers stay stuck in crappy schools (Mississippi) and the students get a crappy education.


Or the Northeast has the best state economies and highest tax rates, so their schools actually have money going into them. Your #1 reason is blaming Mexicans though so I'm not sure if you are someone I will get anywhere arguing with.
 
2011-01-24 02:58:25 PM  
bau-images.tangentone.com.au
 
2011-01-24 02:58:37 PM  

dave_dfwm: crappy schools (Mississippi)


I oughtinta beat yer ass. Ifin this here television set weren't fixin' to play a Judge Judy I'd be meetin you down at the Waffle House parkin lot.
 
2011-01-24 02:58:39 PM  

sethstorm: So much for the argument that Right to Work states having better educational programs.


That *is* a terrible argument. Mostly because it doesn't make grammatical sense. You're from a Right to Work state, aren't you?
 
2011-01-24 02:58:53 PM  

Invisible Pedestrian: A baloo is a bear.

/but deep down you knew that already, didn't you


That type of knowledge isn't exactly a bare necessity.

//Forgetting about my worries and my strife.
///Oh, yeah.
 
2011-01-24 02:58:53 PM  

sweetmelissa31: TheDumbBlonde: Ha, ha! You caught me! I'm a big fattie!! You're very clever. You must be from New England.

My, we are touchy.


CHICK FIGHT!!!!

/What?
//Oh, the article was about 4th and 8th grade test scores not behavior.
///Well, it wouldn't have been that hot anyway. :(
////Stop looking at me!!!
 
2011-01-24 02:58:54 PM  

Arkanaut: Well, they can still get into Brown.


Brown University? They got one of those in Providence!
 
2011-01-24 02:59:03 PM  
Don't worry folks. Kids from families with jobs, money, health insurance and the faintest parental interest continue to do awesome every year.

So the problem is just with the insufficiently boot-strappy. And repealing health reform, rewarding corporations for cutting jobs, stagnant wages and steadily-increasing hours will take care of all that.
 
2011-01-24 02:59:04 PM  
I love how all-encompassing and progressive Californians are until articles like these, then it's all MEXICANZ KEEPIN US DOWN!!!!
 
2011-01-24 02:59:18 PM  
Jersey is # 4...this list is invalid.
 
2011-01-24 02:59:20 PM  
We're #51! Woohoo, this is actually an improvement -- ahead of Mississippi but behind "Overseas Military Bases"
 
2011-01-24 02:59:21 PM  
Well, I guess there is a reason I feel like I live in the last bastion of intellectualism within the United States.

/when I say "turn it up" I'm talking about Tom Ashbrook.
 
2011-01-24 02:59:56 PM  
Oh noes states with large immigrant populations rate LOW? who would have thunk it?
 
2011-01-24 03:00:01 PM  
Being closer to Canada makes Americans smarter.

/ducks for cover
 
2011-01-24 03:00:03 PM  

xynix: Brettster808:
39. Georgia
41. California

Thats funny!


It's to be expected too.

Just in my school district there are around 694,288 students.

That's more students in one district than the entire population of Vermont. It's a farking zoo.
 
2011-01-24 03:00:24 PM  
New York. We're #19! Though I'm sure some areas of the state scored way higher than others.
 
2011-01-24 03:00:40 PM  

matthew_tray: Jersey is # 4...this list is invalid.


What is amusing is that people actually believe this nonsense.
 
2011-01-24 03:00:53 PM  

FlashHarry: not a lot of red states up front. gee, i wonder why that is.


Because liberalism is rampant in the public school systems in all 50 states?
 
2011-01-24 03:00:53 PM  
hmmm... New Jersey???? Really??? I cannot believe that this testing is efficacious if New Jersey is so highly ranked... the testing must be flawed...
 
2011-01-24 03:01:00 PM  
Wooo, go SC! Suck it Georgia!
 
2011-01-24 03:01:15 PM  
Education doesn't help you, that's why college grads make so much more than high school grads. Gotta love right wingers, so arrogant and blind to their own ignorance they cannot see the forest from the trees.
 
2011-01-24 03:01:34 PM  
Top 10 are all blue states. Suck it Republicans.
 
2011-01-24 03:01:57 PM  

jaytkay: Surprise, surprise, surprise!


I think that proves that immigrants are ruining our country.
 
2011-01-24 03:02:19 PM  

keypusher: Generally, if you want to figure out where a state ranks, figure out the percentage of black and Hispanic students in the state's student body. Race swamps everything in these test scores.



i56.tinypic.com
 
2011-01-24 03:02:36 PM  
No those are the states with the kids who test the best and aren't unfairly penalized by the cultural biases inherent in these tests. Just joking, those tests are ridiculously easy and if you do don't do well on them you're a basically an idiot. Don't worry though, that won't prevent you from going to college and pissing off the non-retarded people who are subjected to your incoherency on "peer-review papers" day.
 
2011-01-24 03:03:01 PM  

Parthenogenetic: sweetmelissa31: FlashHarry: not a lot of red states up front. gee, i wonder why that is.

Liberal media bias, as usual.

I heard a discussion on Bill Cunningham's talk radio show not long ago (AM 700 WLW, Cincinnati), about that Chinese "Tiger Mom" featured in the Wall Street Journal. It was the opinion of Mr Cunningham and his callers that school is for losers and geeks.

As one caller put it, "Everyone knows that A students go into teaching, because they don't have the life skills to succeed at a real job. And the B students always end up working for the C students. Education doesn't help you in real life."

So suck it, educated elitists!


It's true that a lot of the time it's not what you know, but who you know and how much you can convince them that they don't know that you don't know anything.

/It died down for a while with the rise of computers.
//But it's coming back full retard with YouTube.
 
2011-01-24 03:03:14 PM  

Lidocaine: hmmm... New Jersey???? Really??? I cannot believe that this testing is efficacious if New Jersey is so highly ranked... the testing must be flawed...


Being from Long Island I hate to defend Jersey but you're all making me do it...

It's not ALL like Jersey Shore, people. And if I remember correctly, Jersey has the highest per capita income or some similar stat.
 
2011-01-24 03:03:25 PM  
How proud I am to live in a state that fared WORSE than Arizona.
 
2011-01-24 03:04:21 PM  

FreakinB: Lidocaine: hmmm... New Jersey???? Really??? I cannot believe that this testing is efficacious if New Jersey is so highly ranked... the testing must be flawed...

Being from Long Island I hate to defend Jersey but you're all making me do it...

It's not ALL like Jersey Shore, people. And if I remember correctly, Jersey has the highest per capita income or some similar stat.


You have to make a great deal of money to pay for the taxes in NJ.
 
2011-01-24 03:05:10 PM  
Sad to see my adopted state near the bottom, but not surprising. I encounter the adult products of Tennessee schools every day, and they tend to be dismally stupid.
 
2011-01-24 03:05:33 PM  

A Leaf in Fall: jaytkay: Surprise, surprise, surprise!

I think that proves that immigrants are ruining our country.


As a resident of a large, wealthy Northern city which is 21% foreign born and 26% Hispanic I am getting a kick out of the ignorant bigots in this thread.
 
2011-01-24 03:05:39 PM  
Really kinda surprised to see Ohio made the top 10...

Go Buckeyes!
 
2011-01-24 03:06:15 PM  

jaytkay: Surprise, surprise, surprise!


The more snow that falls, the easier it is to keep the students in school? Seriously - look at the map - if it is an area that gets anything resembling winter, the students get better marks. I would guess that it's just easier to stay home and do school work than go out somedays.

/Yeah, yeah. Correlation, causation, xkcd stats strip...
 
2011-01-24 03:06:49 PM  

Big Al: Education doesn't help you, that's why college grads make so much more than high school grads. Gotta love right wingers, so arrogant and blind to their own ignorance they cannot see the forest from the trees.


Huh?
 
2011-01-24 03:06:55 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: I love how all-encompassing and progressive Californians are until articles like these, then it's all MEXICANZ KEEPIN US DOWN!!!!


It's true, however, that Mexican and black students do significantly worse than white students at these standardized tests. Part of that, especially when it comes to reading tests, is that these tests are geared toward Standard American English speakers. That means that there are a lot of folks, both white (predominantly from the South, in fact) and non-white students who bomb the crap out of their reading tests.

Of course, this isn't the sole reason for lower scores amongst certain ethnicities and sub-cultures, but it's an important point to consider.
 
2011-01-24 03:06:56 PM  

FreakinB: Lidocaine: hmmm... New Jersey???? Really??? I cannot believe that this testing is efficacious if New Jersey is so highly ranked... the testing must be flawed...

Being from Long Island I hate to defend Jersey but you're all making me do it...

It's not ALL like Jersey Shore, people. And if I remember correctly, Jersey has the highest per capita income or some similar stat.


We (NJ) have the highest property taxes (by far).
 
2011-01-24 03:07:08 PM  

arkane8: What bothers me the most is the huge discrepancy/decline of advanced reading from 4th grade to 8th grade in nearly every state.

What does this say about our country?


STATE'S RIGHTS! (to have dumb kids)
 
2011-01-24 03:07:10 PM  

FlashHarry: not a lot of red states up front. gee, i wonder why that is.


Because socialism
 
2011-01-24 03:07:24 PM  
The first sentence was sarcasm
 
2011-01-24 03:07:26 PM  
blame this on the messicans. the closer to mexico you go, the worse you do. obvious.
 
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