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(Guardian)   Leak: "Palestinian negotiators secretly agreed to accept Israel's annexation of all but one of the settlements built illegally in occupied East Jerusalem." Israel: "Nah, we want it all"   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 365
    More: Followup, East Jerusalem, Peace process in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Palestinian, Palestinian Authority, PLO, conflicts in the Middle East, Saeb Erakat, British Intelligence  
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2011-01-24 09:27:08 AM  
When you have nuclear weapons and a state of the art military, and the other side has rocks, you tend to be able to take anything you want.
 
2011-01-24 10:13:06 AM  
Obvious tag would have been more apropos.
 
2011-01-24 10:27:09 AM  
If you're against illegal settlements, you are an anti-semite.
 
2011-01-24 10:34:29 AM  
And why exactly do we continue to bend over backwards for Israel? I'm sure Tatsuma will be along shortly to explain it all.
 
2011-01-24 10:35:35 AM  
Farkin' compromise, how do they work?
 
2011-01-24 10:35:48 AM  
If the Palestinians would just all convert to Judaism and embrace their overlords, things would work out much better.
 
2011-01-24 10:36:06 AM  
Some people will be surprised that a nation founded on the principal god gave your particular religious and ethnic group a homeland was negotiating in bad faith.

Some people.
 
2011-01-24 10:37:31 AM  
It's almost like all the criticism of israel is valid. Someone will be along shortly to explain how they're the victims here though. Thank goodness for that.
 
2011-01-24 10:38:44 AM  
Paging Tatsuma and Party Boy, Tatsuma and Party Boy, please come to the Israel thread.
 
2011-01-24 10:38:48 AM  
He hasn't posted yet...weird.
 
2011-01-24 10:38:49 AM  

Jacobin: If the Palestinians would just all convert to Judaism and embrace their overlords, things would work out much better.


Unfortunately, as we have learned in recent days in the Giffords threads, converting isn't enough for some people.
 
2011-01-24 10:40:12 AM  

Jacobin: If the Palestinians would just all convert to Judaism and embrace their overlords, things would work out much better.


Sorry, their mothers have to be Jews, or else they aren't Jews. Its a birthright, you can't convert.
 
2011-01-24 10:42:27 AM  

MindStalker: Sorry, their mothers have to be Jews, or else they aren't Jews. Its a birthright, you can't convert.


LOL What?!
 
2011-01-24 10:43:16 AM  
Mindstalker

Jacobin: If the Palestinians would just all convert to Judaism and embrace their overlords, things would work out much better.

Sorry, their mothers have to be Jews, or else they aren't Jews. Its a birthright, you can't convert.


Well, that makes it a real biatch, then.
 
2011-01-24 10:43:24 AM  
The Israeli PR department is already calling this a "pack of lies", so i doubt we will get any meaningful debate from the normal crowd.

I can just see them at their computers stomping their feet and folding their arms
 
2011-01-24 10:43:32 AM  
Someone more skilled in 'shooping than I needs to come up with a "summon Tatsuma" card for threads like this, if there isn't one already.
 
2011-01-24 10:43:37 AM  
MindStalker

Sorry, their mothers have to be Jews, or else they aren't Jews. Its a birthright, you can't convert

Actually you can convert, but you'll still be a lesser person than a real jew, and a whole lot lesser than a 100% bona fide Orthodox jew.
 
2011-01-24 10:44:02 AM  
I'm generally pro-Israel, but I fail to see how they could possibly expect a better deal from the Palestinians. The PA is taking a major hit in the Arab world right now for even considering this deal in the first place.
 
2011-01-24 10:44:12 AM  

bartink: MindStalker: Sorry, their mothers have to be Jews, or else they aren't Jews. Its a birthright, you can't convert.

LOL What?!


it's like a rite of passage - you can't call yourself a true Hebrew unless you endure 18 years of constant nagging
 
2011-01-24 10:45:03 AM  

Edsel: And why exactly do we continue to bend over backwards for Israel? I'm sure Tatsuma will be along shortly to explain it all.


I'm a pretty liberal guy. And I'm glad we support Israel. But even I wonder when supporting became doing what they say.

A good friend calls you on your BS
 
2011-01-24 10:45:13 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's almost like all the criticism of israel is valid. Someone will be along shortly to explain how they're the victims here though. Thank goodness for that.


If there's one thing Israelis can't stand, it's external governments forcing the local populace to accept the creation of a state in a place where people already live.
 
2011-01-24 10:45:37 AM  

Sirsky: Someone more skilled in 'shooping than I needs to come up with a "summon liar" card for threads like this, if there isn't one already.


A device to imediatly shiat on a thread? Dear god man, why?
 
2011-01-24 10:46:25 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: When you have nuclear weapons and a state of the art military, and the other side has rocks, you tend to be able to take anything you want.


It also helps when people from the country with the biggest military in the world think that they don't get to go to heaven until you build a temple in the disputed area.
 
2011-01-24 10:47:07 AM  
Scroll down this thread. Start at 03:52:08 PM (new window) if its tl:dr

Compare with the current conversation.

bartink: Party Boy


I just got some spectacular news, wont be around long. Sorry.
 
2011-01-24 10:47:53 AM  
So, Israel compromises like Republicans?
 
2011-01-24 10:47:55 AM  

MindStalker: Jacobin: If the Palestinians would just all convert to Judaism and embrace their overlords, things would work out much better.

Sorry, their mothers have to be Jews, or else they aren't Jews. Its a birthright, you can't convert.


I'm not aware of any branches of Judaism that don't consider converts Jews, but I could be mistaken (not a jew expert). I'm sure someone will come along and confirm, deny, or correct.
 
2011-01-24 10:48:03 AM  
"Illegal" annexation after a perfectly legal invasion attempt from East Jerusalem. The Palestinians and Arabs need to get used to it. They attacked Israel, Israel kicked their ass. Eight hundred years ago it was the opposite when Saladin "annexed" Jerusalem in a defensive maneuver didn't give it back.

In fact, had they learned their lesson after conspiring with the Nazis and accepted the establishment of Israel in 1946 after sharing the loss with Germany and Italy then they would still have East Jerusalem.

But alas the Muslim leadership in the Middle East is dumb as a box of rocks.

Arabs biatching about poor Palestine makes as much sense as Modern Germans biatching about the foreign occupation of Poland.
 
2011-01-24 10:50:37 AM  
There's nothing illegal about them, and why should they give up their capital and holiest site in Judaism (Mecca is the holiest city in Islam). Furthermore, Israel has already forced Israelis out of many of their own homes already in much of Judea/Samaria, and all of Gaza.

Marcus Aurelius

Actually you can convert, but you'll still be a lesser person than a real jew, and a whole lot lesser than a 100% bona fide Orthodox jew.

Actually, that's typically bigoted garbage, unsurprising to find it in this thread submitted by trolltard. You're just as much a Jew, and it has nothing to do with "100% bona fide orthodox jew" - orthodox is a matter of degree of observance, and degree of observance one believes - converts can be and frequently are orthodox.
 
2011-01-24 10:53:39 AM  
The best leaks are the ones where everyone looks bad. The PLO won't own this, Israel gets shat upon for being massive douches, and whomever leaked this is probably tied up in a basement somewhere getting an amateur pedicure with hot pliers.
 
2011-01-24 10:53:42 AM  

Party Boy: I just got some spectacular news, wont be around long. Sorry.


Who will defend the helpless military aggressors?
 
2011-01-24 10:53:58 AM  

RolandGunner: "Illegal" annexation after a perfectly legal invasion attempt from East Jerusalem. The Palestinians and Arabs need to get used to it. They attacked Israel, Israel kicked their ass. Eight hundred years ago it was the opposite when Saladin "annexed" Jerusalem in a defensive maneuver didn't give it back.

In fact, had they learned their lesson after conspiring with the Nazis and accepted the establishment of Israel in 1946 after sharing the loss with Germany and Italy then they would still have East Jerusalem.

But alas the Muslim leadership in the Middle East is dumb as a box of rocks.

Arabs biatching about poor Palestine makes as much sense as Modern Germans biatching about the foreign occupation of Poland.


So, If Israel loses a war you would have no problem with their conqueror permanently occupying Israeli territory, and denying the Israelis any civil rights?
 
2011-01-24 10:55:02 AM  

RolandGunner: "Illegal" annexation after a perfectly legal invasion attempt from East Jerusalem. The Palestinians and Arabs need to get used to it. They attacked Israel, Israel kicked their ass.


Fun fact: Jerusalem was taken *after* the war was over, and the move isn't recognized by anyone
 
2011-01-24 10:57:03 AM  

RolandGunner: They attacked Israel, Israel kicked their ass.


Revisionist history is revised.

/just so you don't have to understand the snark, you are wrong.
 
2011-01-24 10:57:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: When you have nuclear weapons and a state of the art military, and the other side has rocks the unconditional backing of the only world superpower and receive the biggest amount of foreign aid from it, you tend to be able to take anything you want.


FTFY
 
2011-01-24 10:58:14 AM  
Well Israel is denying this, so that settles it--the story is false.
 
2011-01-24 10:58:30 AM  

bartink: MindStalker: Sorry, their mothers have to be Jews, or else they aren't Jews. Its a birthright, you can't convert.

LOL What?!


Reform or Reconstructionist Jewish people allow for conversion, but, in Orthadox Judaism, only children with Jewish mothers are Jews. It's a matrilineal religion (new window).
 
2011-01-24 10:58:50 AM  

RolandGunner: Arabs biatching about poor Palestine makes as much sense as Modern Germans biatching about the foreign occupation of Poland.


There will be a native american knocking at your door demanding you vacate his land any minute now.
 
2011-01-24 10:59:56 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: RolandGunner: "Illegal" annexation after a perfectly legal invasion attempt from East Jerusalem. The Palestinians and Arabs need to get used to it. They attacked Israel, Israel kicked their ass.

Fun fact: Jerusalem was taken *after* the war was over, and the move isn't recognized by anyone


Fun Fact: Jersualem was actually taken in the 1967 War, not the 48 war.
 
2011-01-24 11:03:45 AM  
I don't have any solutions for any of these bronze-age, Biblical savages problems.
I do, however have a solution for one of America's problems: Stop ALL foreign and military aid, cease all meddling in other nations affairs, and go back to tending our own badly neglected garden.
I really don't give a rat's what the tribal primitives of the world do to each other, and it's not our problem.
 
2011-01-24 11:05:06 AM  

Magruda: There will be a native american knocking at your door demanding you vacate his land any minute now.


As far as these classroom liberals who insist on saying "Native American" are concerned, here's something they should be told: it's not up to you to name people and tell them what they ought to be called. If you'd leave the classroom once in a while, you'd find that most Indians are insulted by the term Native American. The American Indian Movement will tell you that if you ask them.

The phrase "Native American" was invented by the U.S. Government Department of the Interior in 1970. It is an inventory term used to keep track of people. It includes Hawaiians, Eskimos, Samoans, Micronesians, Polynesians, and Aleuts. Anyone who uses the phrase Native American is assisting the U.S. Government in its effort to obliterate people's true identities.
 
2011-01-24 11:05:41 AM  

redmid17: HotWingConspiracy: RolandGunner: "Illegal" annexation after a perfectly legal invasion attempt from East Jerusalem. The Palestinians and Arabs need to get used to it. They attacked Israel, Israel kicked their ass.

Fun fact: Jerusalem was taken *after* the war was over, and the move isn't recognized by anyone

Fun Fact: Jersualem was actually taken in the 1967 War, not the 48 war.


Fun Fact: On June 5, 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack against Egypt's airforce.
 
2011-01-24 11:06:02 AM  
Magruda
There will be a native american knocking at your door demanding you vacate his land any minute now.

fark, I bet it's that annoying Chief Red Herring of the Tucoque tribe again. Can't stand that guy.
 
2011-01-24 11:08:18 AM  

jso2897: I don't have any solutions for any of these bronze-age, Biblical savages problems.
I do, however have a solution for one of America's problems: Stop ALL foreign and military aid, cease all meddling in other nations affairs, and go back to tending our own badly neglected garden.
I really don't give a rat's what the tribal primitives of the world do to each other, and it's not our problem.


Yep, since the United States is entirely self sufficient and does not need to import any materials, we can just wall ourselves off from the rest of the world with no negative consequences what so ever!
 
2011-01-24 11:08:21 AM  
I only accept stories written by Jews as truthful. All others I disregard, knowing the history gentiles as I do.
 
2011-01-24 11:08:25 AM  

sprawl15: Magruda: There will be a native american knocking at your door demanding you vacate his land any minute now.

As far as these classroom liberals who insist on saying "Native American" are concerned, here's something they should be told: it's not up to you to name people and tell them what they ought to be called. If you'd leave the classroom once in a while, you'd find that most Indians are insulted by the term Native American. The American Indian Movement will tell you that if you ask them.

The phrase "Native American" was invented by the U.S. Government Department of the Interior in 1970. It is an inventory term used to keep track of people. It includes Hawaiians, Eskimos, Samoans, Micronesians, Polynesians, and Aleuts. Anyone who uses the phrase Native American is assisting the U.S. Government in its effort to obliterate people's true identities.


LOL wut?

So i should call them indians even though india is in another hemisphere?

Quit nit-picking, my point stands.
 
2011-01-24 11:08:49 AM  

asimplescribe: He hasn't posted yet...weird.


It's almost as if people aren't on Fark 24/7.

Besides, calling out Farkers who aren't here is one of the rare snarky things that Fark disapproves of. From the FARQ: "Farker in a headline or post (where the named Farker isn't participating) generates attention to a Farker who didn't intend it. This is not welcome on this site. "
 
2011-01-24 11:09:03 AM  
grotto_man
There's nothing illegal about them

On what grounds is military conquest of that territory leading to the on-going displacement and occupation of it's ancestral residents legal?
 
2011-01-24 11:10:20 AM  

Magruda: So i should call them indians even though india is in another hemisphere?


I call them Indians because that's what they are. They're Indians. There's nothing wrong with the word Indian. "First of all, it's important to know that the word Indian does not derive from Columbus mistakenly believing he had reached 'India.' India was not even called by that name in 1492; it was known as Hindustan.

More likely, the word Indian comes from Columbus's description of the people he found here. He was an Italian, and did not speak or write very good Spanish, so in his written accounts he called the Indians, "Una gente in Dios." A people in God. In God. In Dios. Indians. It's a perfectly noble and respectable word.
 
2011-01-24 11:10:52 AM  

Party Boy: Scroll down this thread. Start at 03:52:08 PM (new window) if its tl:dr

Compare with the current conversation.


That's uh... quite a conversation actually. Heh.
 
2011-01-24 11:12:36 AM  

mrexcess: fark, I bet it's that annoying Chief Red Herring of the Tucoque tribe again. Can't stand that guy


That was so well done, I have to ask: did you just come up with that? If so, nice.

(It's "to quoque", but you've probably figured that out by now.)
 
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