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(Computerworld)   In a conference call with analysts, Apple exec calls Android-based tablets "bizzare" and adds they'll probably give you cooties and turn you gay as well   (computerworld.com) divider line 89
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2011-01-19 04:00:35 PM  
In their defense, most Android tablets I've seen are pretty bad. The Galaxy isn't bad, but some like the Viewsonic G Tablet are downright dreadful compared to the iPad. Until Honeycomb, it's basically Apple's game.
 
2011-01-19 04:01:48 PM  
They might have porn or something on them too, or girls, which are groody
 
2011-01-19 04:04:40 PM  

Mad_Radhu: In their defense, most Android tablets I've seen are pretty bad. The Galaxy isn't bad, but some like the Viewsonic G Tablet are downright dreadful compared to the iPad. Until Honeycomb, it's basically Apple's game.


This. The fragmentation of the Android system has been a problem in making a consistent environment, which, when chucked on a tablet where it was never meant to be, has seemed underwhelming so far.

I have good hopes for Android 3.0 to really address this hugely, but that's still far down the road. With the iPad 2 set to hit in a few months, if all of the rumors about it are true, it'll be setting the bar again this year.
 
2011-01-19 04:09:52 PM  

LasersHurt: Mad_Radhu: In their defense, most Android tablets I've seen are pretty bad. The Galaxy isn't bad, but some like the Viewsonic G Tablet are downright dreadful compared to the iPad. Until Honeycomb, it's basically Apple's game.

This. The fragmentation of the Android system has been a problem in making a consistent environment, which, when chucked on a tablet where it was never meant to be, has seemed underwhelming so far.

I have good hopes for Android 3.0 to really address this hugely, but that's still far down the road. With the iPad 2 set to hit in a few months, if all of the rumors about it are true, it'll be setting the bar again this year.


Most of them all run honeycomb, and have very similar hardware, which should help so far as making apps is concerned.

Apple got lucky in 2010: Tegra 2 was delayed. The result let them ship something inferior to what was shown at CES 2010, because there was no one else able to make it to market that year. The ipad 2, if rumors are right, is what the ipad 1 should have been.

For more usage, i'll probably go with the eeepad or Xoom. Features are great, price is reasonable, and the hardware seems solid.
 
2011-01-19 04:11:09 PM  
Isn't the majority of Apple's core customer base already gay?

Does that inoculate them from teh cootiez as well?
 
2011-01-19 04:14:26 PM  
Windows and Andriond suck donkey balls!!!!

/am I doing this right?
//actually can't stand Apple
///not because of the products, but the complete douches they have for customers
 
2011-01-19 04:16:23 PM  
of course crApple says they are Bizarre, they have never made a Product that is Open and gives freedom that Customers would actually want

The iPad has been the biggest Flop of the last 20 years. Even the Fanboys want nothing to do with Lord Job$ crappy tablet that has old technology and cant run anything. Themarket has spoken and Droid is the winner. Droid Tablets are selling faster than stores can stock them, because Consumers want new hardware and Open source that they can Modify and make their own applications without bring Enslaved to a bunch of corprate Fascists.

Droid is Freedom
Droid is innovation
Droid is the revolution that will define the Computing world for years to Come
Droid has the smug Fanboys running scared
 
2011-01-19 04:22:16 PM  

Droid_Yes: of course crApple says they are Bizarre, they have never made a Product that is Open and gives freedom that Customers would actually want

The iPad has been the biggest Flop of the last 20 years. Even the Fanboys want nothing to do with Lord Job$ crappy tablet that has old technology and cant run anything. Themarket has spoken and Droid is the winner. Droid Tablets are selling faster than stores can stock them, because Consumers want new hardware and Open source that they can Modify and make their own applications without bring Enslaved to a bunch of corprate Fascists.

Droid is Freedom
Droid is innovation
Droid is the revolution that will define the Computing world for years to Come
Droid has the smug Fanboys running scared


9/10 A smidge obvious, but well played!
 
2011-01-19 04:23:05 PM  

AcneVulgaris: 9/10 A smidge obvious, but well played!


Seconded. I almost thought about biting, but managed to resist the urge.
 
2011-01-19 04:23:26 PM  
" "But it's hard for me to understand that in a side-by-side comparison, that an enormous amount of people won't select an iPad."

If you tell them it's an iPad, sure...probably. If you list specs, show them demos, all without revealing which is which, who knows.
 
2011-01-19 04:26:31 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: " "But it's hard for me to understand that in a side-by-side comparison, that an enormous amount of people won't select an iPad."

If you tell them it's an iPad, sure...probably. If you list specs, show them demos, all without revealing which is which, who knows.


Let's be fair, we're talking about given that choice this year, after the iPad 2 drops. Theoretically, if all of the leaks are correct, it's going to have a blazing dual core processor, enough RAM this time (doi, Apple), 4x the graphics power, SD card, larger speaker, super high res display, etc etc etc.

It's certainly not going to lag behind, if that's what you're wondering. I estimate it will stand toe to toe with anything else launched in the first part of this year. Plus iOS already has the polish and style necessary.
 
2011-01-19 04:31:11 PM  
My cousin got an iPad for christmas and couldn't show it to me because it had not been initiated with her computer yet. Is that right?

I don't get tablets in general. $700 newspaper is all I see.
 
2011-01-19 04:34:07 PM  

GWSuperfan: AcneVulgaris: 9/10 A smidge obvious, but well played!

Seconded. I almost thought about biting, but managed to resist the urge.


Really. It's like one of those ridiculous lures that you see in the sporting goods store. "How can the fish resist!"
 
2011-01-19 04:35:17 PM  

Droid_Yes: of course crApple says they are Bizarre, they have never made a Product that is Open and gives freedom that Customers would actually want

The iPad has been the biggest Flop of the last 20 years. Even the Fanboys want nothing to do with Lord Job$ crappy tablet that has old technology and cant run anything. Themarket has spoken and Droid is the winner. Droid Tablets are selling faster than stores can stock them, because Consumers want new hardware and Open source that they can Modify and make their own applications without bring Enslaved to a bunch of corprate Fascists.

Droid is Freedom
Droid is innovation
Droid is the revolution that will define the Computing world for years to Come
Droid has the smug Fanboys running scared


7/10 on the troll portion, as it was fairly obvious where you were going
but...
10/10 on the Linux_Yes impersonation. You hit it right on the mark and out of the park. Well done.
 
2011-01-19 04:35:25 PM  
bizarre
 
2011-01-19 04:35:39 PM  

H31N0US: My cousin got an iPad for christmas and couldn't show it to me because it had not been initiated with her computer yet. Is that right?

I don't get tablets in general. $700 newspaper is all I see.


They're just starting to hit the market in any widespread way, and with enough power to be useful. They provide mobile media of any kind, be it video, text, music, etc. They also allow for utilitarian uses (for example remote desktop access for IT guys, patient charts for doctors, etc). Essentially, light computer work in a much more portable, battery-riffic, and human-input-friendly package. They're not for everyone, but they're pretty awesome for those who can get a good use out of them.

/tablets in general, that is.
 
2011-01-19 04:36:46 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

/hotlinked picture
 
2011-01-19 04:37:34 PM  
A lot of the Android tablets have been pretty meh.

Really looking forward to seeing the new WebOS tablets coming out from HP. WebOS is the best mobile OS out there, and I think it will scale up nicely to tablets. All it really needs is more app developers to jump on board.
 
2011-01-19 04:44:25 PM  
resistive screens on my tablet?
 
2011-01-19 04:45:47 PM  

Doc Daneeka: A lot of the Android tablets have been pretty meh.

Really looking forward to seeing the new WebOS tablets coming out from HP. WebOS is the best mobile OS out there, and I think it will scale up nicely to tablets. All it really needs is more app developers to jump on board.


Android 3.0 is the first to be designed with Tablets in mind, something google originally wanted to use ChromeOS for.

Current tablets use mobile phone style android 2.1, 2.2, etc, with an overlay of sorts on top. Not at all an ideal solution.

3.0 works more better, and is often paired with Nvidia's Tegra 2, which turned heads at CES.

WebOS and Blackberry look like interesting offerings, epically for business users. I think if HP and RIM offer corporate security on those they could take the business market by storm.

2011 should be an interesting year for portables.
 
2011-01-19 04:48:55 PM  

LasersHurt: H31N0US: My cousin got an iPad for christmas and couldn't show it to me because it had not been initiated with her computer yet. Is that right?

I don't get tablets in general. $700 newspaper is all I see.

They're just starting to hit the market in any widespread way, and with enough power to be useful. They provide mobile media of any kind, be it video, text, music, etc. They also allow for utilitarian uses (for example remote desktop access for IT guys, patient charts for doctors, etc). Essentially, light computer work in a much more portable, battery-riffic, and human-input-friendly package. They're not for everyone, but they're pretty awesome for those who can get a good use out of them.

/tablets in general, that is.


I want one for most of the above reasons, as well as an alternative to my company issued laptop, which I don't take places due to security concerns.

Tablet will serve me fine for reading the net in the living room, managing photo's/etc while on vacation/trips, etc. It's a nice alternative to a netbook in my mind, more geared toward media consumption/light work.
 
2011-01-19 04:51:47 PM  

Droid_Yes:
Droid is Freedom
Droid is innovation
Droid is the revolution that will define the Computing world for years to Come
Droid has the smug Fanboys running scared



I don't see C3P0 getting anyone running anywhere.

Wait, what are we talking about?
 
2011-01-19 04:55:26 PM  

Droid_Yes: of course crApple says they are Bizarre, they have never made a Product that is Open and gives freedom that Customers would actually want

The iPad has been the biggest Flop of the last 20 years. Even the Fanboys want nothing to do with Lord Job$ crappy tablet that has old technology and cant run anything. Themarket has spoken and Droid is the winner. Droid Tablets are selling faster than stores can stock them, because Consumers want new hardware and Open source that they can Modify and make their own applications without bring Enslaved to a bunch of corprate Fascists.

Droid is Freedom
Droid is innovation
Droid is the revolution that will define the Computing world for years to Come
Droid has the smug Fanboys running scared


is this why i never see linux yes around, you've switched to this?

it's ok, i can mock you regardless of what you call your self
 
2011-01-19 05:07:30 PM  
Linux_Yes, you always bring the lulz.
 
2011-01-19 05:09:54 PM  

LasersHurt: This. The fragmentation of the Android system has been a problem in making a consistent environment, which, when chucked on a tablet where it was never meant to be, has seemed underwhelming so far.

I have good hopes for Android 3.0 to really address this hugely, but that's still far down the road


What do you mean fragmented? Seemed no different than a droid phone to me, just bigger.
 
2011-01-19 05:10:33 PM  
Okay, I'll just say it loud.

FOR FARK'S SAKE MICROSOFT, REPLACE WINDOWS EXPLORER WITH SOMETHING TOUCH FRIENDLY FOR TABLETS. THIS IS NOT HARD. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REPLACE THE GUI ON NT 6.1 AND SEND IT TO MANUFACTURERS. YOU HAVE ALL OF THE SPADE WORK ALREADY DONE. IT'S MADDENING TO WATCH YOU GUYS JUST SKIP OUT ON THIS.

There.
 
2011-01-19 05:12:06 PM  
If only they made pants pockets big enough for these. Or better yet, attach a hardware keypad to it! It would not only turn it into a device capable of typing something on but also double as a stand so your wrists don't get tired holding it and/or you don't have to sit funny to see the screen.
 
2011-01-19 05:15:29 PM  

Droid_Yes: of course crApple says they are Bizarre, they have never made a Product that is Open and gives freedom that Customers would actually want

The iPad has been the biggest Flop of the last 20 years. Even the Fanboys want nothing to do with Lord Job$ crappy tablet that has old technology and cant run anything. Themarket has spoken and Droid is the winner. Droid Tablets are selling faster than stores can stock them, because Consumers want new hardware and Open source that they can Modify and make their own applications without bring Enslaved to a bunch of corprate Fascists.

Droid is Freedom
Droid is innovation
Droid is the revolution that will define the Computing world for years to Come
Droid has the smug Fanboys running scared


/speaking of smug fanboys...
 
2011-01-19 05:16:14 PM  

AcneVulgaris: Droid_Yes: of course crApple says they are Bizarre, they have never made a Product that is Open and gives freedom that Customers would actually want

The iPad has been the biggest Flop of the last 20 years. Even the Fanboys want nothing to do with Lord Job$ crappy tablet that has old technology and cant run anything. Themarket has spoken and Droid is the winner. Droid Tablets are selling faster than stores can stock them, because Consumers want new hardware and Open source that they can Modify and make their own applications without bring Enslaved to a bunch of corprate Fascists.

Droid is Freedom
Droid is innovation
Droid is the revolution that will define the Computing world for years to Come
Droid has the smug Fanboys running scared

9/10 A smidge obvious, but well played!


7/10 The user name loses points form me. Needs to be more original
 
2011-01-19 05:17:53 PM  
To those saying they don't get the utility of tablets, I say "RDP". Being able to log on to my clients machines from anywhere, all from a device that fits in my pocket and have a full fledged desktop, is simply incredible.

Galaxy tab fits the bill. iPad, not so much. I've got some friends who are teachers in Greenwich, CT. They gave each other iPads for Hanukkah. Know what they use them for? Angry Birds. iProducts are toys for big kids. Which is not to say iPad isn't CAPABLE, it's just farking unwieldy.

Tablets are going to be wasted on simpletons until we have full fledged cloud computing with reliable high speed wireless internet. I was promised thin clients 15 years ago and by god I'd better get them before flying cars.

Now what I need is a tablet with a wireless chipset that supports packet injection. Whole new ballgame, baby.

/Yes I know tablets aren't thin clients in the purest sense
//lol at the dude who said iPad2 would have an SD slot. Jobs will NEVER allow expandable storage on an iDevice. Don't have enough storage? Buy a more expensive iWhatever.
 
2011-01-19 05:18:53 PM  

downstairs: LasersHurt: This. The fragmentation of the Android system has been a problem in making a consistent environment, which, when chucked on a tablet where it was never meant to be, has seemed underwhelming so far.

I have good hopes for Android 3.0 to really address this hugely, but that's still far down the road

What do you mean fragmented? Seemed no different than a droid phone to me, just bigger.


That's the problem, and that's what I mean by fragmentation - the android OS is on dozens of devices, each with very different hardware, quirks, etc. Popular apps have dozens of versions to accommodate for different versions of the OS, the hardware, etc. The luxury that Apple has always had is ONE OS, ONE hardware spec. That makes life easier for developers, and leads to a more stable platform.

As someone said earlier, there's a lot less hardware variation in the new tablets coming, and Gingerbread will be tablet-android through and through, so it might not suffer the same problems.
 
2011-01-19 05:24:31 PM  
I have a rooted Nook Color. It's basically a nice in-between of an iPod touch and a iPad. It was half the price and half the weight of the iPad. It can surf the web and play Angry Birds. What else do you need? Oh yeah, I can upgrade the storage starting at about $10.

Netbooks are better for traveling. You can dump your camera pictures into them.
 
2011-01-19 05:25:11 PM  
I have to agree, I love my droid over iphones but from what I have seen in the world of Android Tablets it is a big FAIL. I used some android piece of crap on demo at Borders. It was jumpy and infuriating to use, even after restarting it, similar with another tablet at Costco. Certainly wouldn't buy one now.

If I were to get one now I would honestly get either the ipad or the microsofts thing that I played with at their store, I forget what it is called, but it was cool, not as refined and smooth as the ipad but it is has a full OS on it which makes it more useful.
 
2011-01-19 05:26:29 PM  

Elemental79: If only they made pants pockets big enough for these. Or better yet, attach a hardware keypad to it! It would not only turn it into a device capable of typing something on but also double as a stand so your wrists don't get tired holding it and/or you don't have to sit funny to see the screen.


Link (new window)
 
2011-01-19 05:28:51 PM  

Gaumond: I have to agree, I love my droid over iphones but from what I have seen in the world of Android Tablets it is a big FAIL. I used some android piece of crap on demo at Borders. It was jumpy and infuriating to use, even after restarting it, similar with another tablet at Costco. Certainly wouldn't buy one now.

If I were to get one now I would honestly get either the ipad or the microsofts thing that I played with at their store, I forget what it is called, but it was cool, not as refined and smooth as the ipad but it is has a full OS on it which makes it more useful.


wait till spring
 
2011-01-19 05:34:11 PM  

Gaumond: I have to agree, I love my droid over iphones but from what I have seen in the world of Android Tablets it is a big FAIL. I used some android piece of crap on demo at Borders. It was jumpy and infuriating to use, even after restarting it, similar with another tablet at Costco. Certainly wouldn't buy one now.

If I were to get one now I would honestly get either the ipad or the microsofts thing that I played with at their store, I forget what it is called, but it was cool, not as refined and smooth as the ipad but it is has a full OS on it which makes it more useful.


the ones out now aren't very good, as that flavor of android wasn't designed with a tablet in mind.

The one ones have much more uniform hardware, and an optimized OS. Should have much better performance.
 
2011-01-19 05:47:54 PM  
I'm quite happy with my Archos tablet. It would be nice if there were better games for it, but that's a minor concern. I mainly use it for web browsing, ebooks, videos, and music.
 
2011-01-19 05:52:35 PM  

DenisVengeance: Elemental79: If only they made pants pockets big enough for these. Or better yet, attach a hardware keypad to it! It would not only turn it into a device capable of typing something on but also double as a stand so your wrists don't get tired holding it and/or you don't have to sit funny to see the screen.

Link (new window)


With that it's like a whole computer you can put on your lap.
 
2011-01-19 05:53:24 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: I'm quite happy with my Archos tablet. It would be nice if there were better games for it, but that's a minor concern. I mainly use it for web browsing, ebooks, videos, and music.


Do you not have Angry Birds, or are you implying that there are -- or even possibly could ever be -- better games than Angry Birds?

/My birds. They is angry.
 
2011-01-19 05:58:11 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: " "But it's hard for me to understand that in a side-by-side comparison, that an enormous amount of people won't select an iPad."

If you tell them it's an iPad, sure...probably. If you list specs, show them demos, all without revealing which is which, who knows.


If it's today's Android 2.2 tablets, I'd say more would go with the iPad. The UI is simply more fluid and consistent and the whole ecosystem with the app store and iTunes is a big factor.

Against Android 3.0, it may be a different story. Specs mean diddly squat to most people.
 
2011-01-19 05:58:18 PM  

LasersHurt: That's the problem, and that's what I mean by fragmentation - the android OS is on dozens of devices, each with very different hardware, quirks, etc. Popular apps have dozens of versions to accommodate for different versions of the OS, the hardware, etc. The luxury that Apple has always had is ONE OS, ONE hardware spec. That makes life easier for developers, and leads to a more stable platform.


Go on... what Android apps have dozens of versions? Please inform us.

Because as someone who has studied the Android API, I can tell you that there's absolutely no reason to do so, and I suggest you just swallowed the whole OMG Android Fragmentation bullshiat.

You see, Android is designed for resolution independence out of the box. It's designed so if you use a different aspect ratio or a different resolution that your app will fit accordingly, in a similar way to how HTML does things like fitting to pages and resolutions. It's designed to allow developers to request information about the supported features of the device you're running on. And if you write an app for one version, every version above it will support it. Those last two things are exactly the same as on IOS.

Fragmentation on Android only exists in the form of how manufacturers change the skin, layout or what apps are installed.
 
2011-01-19 06:03:04 PM  
farkeruk: You see, Android is designed for resolution independence out of the box. It's designed so if you use a different aspect ratio or a different resolution that your app will fit accordingly, in a similar way to how HTML does things like fitting to pages and resolutions. It's designed to allow developers to request information about the supported features of the device you're running on. And if you write an app for one version, every version above it will support it. Those last two things are exactly the same as on IOS.

Fragmentation on Android only exists in the form of how manufacturers change the skin, layout or what apps are installed.


Oh is that why Android developers have complained about having to test on multiple different devices and seeing different behavior even though they are running the same version of the OS until they eventually give up and and limit their app to only certain devices?

I wonder why it is I can't get Swype on my Incredible.
 
2011-01-19 06:04:00 PM  

YouWinAgainGravity: Oh is that why Android developers have complained about having to test on multiple different devices and seeing different behavior even though they are running the same version of the OS until they eventually give up and and limit their app to only certain devices?


I'll have to look into that. Throw me a citation...
 
2011-01-19 06:04:45 PM  
And if Android was resolution-independent out of the box, there wouldn't be so many issues with the current Android versions on tablets and why Google has said none of the current versions are ready for tablets.
 
2011-01-19 06:09:01 PM  
farkeruk: I'll have to look into that. Throw me a citation...

You'll see complaints all the time on the Android forums. Here's an article about fragmentation vs diversity of the Android platform:

Link (new window)

Notable exerpt:

Fragmentation is very hard to deal with because it's very, very expensive to discover. Finding platform fragmentation isn't as easy as it might sound. Most fragmentation bugs aren't documented anywhere or reproducible in a software emulator, so a developer must actually test with the physical device. These devices cost upwards of $600 a piece, and if there are hundreds of them the barrier to entry becomes cost-prohibitive for all but the largest companies. A basement developer can test on only one or two devices and are forced to blindly push the publish button and hope for the best. Sadly for developers like this, they find out that their apps won't work on a particular handset when they receive scores of one-star reviews or crash reports.
 
2011-01-19 06:10:44 PM  

loonatic112358:

If I were to get one now I would honestly get either the ipad or the microsofts thing that I played with at their store, I forget what it is called, but it was cool, not as refined and smooth as the ipad but it is has a full OS on it which makes it more useful.

wait till spring


Agree, as CES showed there should be some interesting things on the horizon.

I also wish apple would redesign their iOS but that a whole different thread.
 
2011-01-19 06:13:53 PM  

YouWinAgainGravity: And if Android was resolution-independent out of the box, there wouldn't be so many issues with the current Android versions on tablets and why Google has said none of the current versions are ready for tablets.


Google hasn't said that. They said it hasn't been optimised for tablets which is why the Marketplace isn't on there. And they've given little explanation for that.
 
2011-01-19 06:14:43 PM  
YouWinAgainGravity

Oh is that why Android developers have complained about having to test on multiple different devices and seeing different behavior even though they are running the same version of the OS until they eventually give up and and limit their app to only certain devices?

I wonder why it is I can't get Swype on my Incredible.


Your point would probably resonate more with me if I wasn't writing this response with Swype on my Incredible.
 
2011-01-19 06:16:44 PM  
i51.tinypic.com
 
2011-01-19 06:19:06 PM  
WayToBlue: YouWinAgainGravity

Oh is that why Android developers have complained about having to test on multiple different devices and seeing different behavior even though they are running the same version of the OS until they eventually give up and and limit their app to only certain devices?

I wonder why it is I can't get Swype on my Incredible.

Your point would probably resonate more with me if I wasn't writing this response with Swype on my Incredible.


Congratulations on being one of the people in the beta. It doesn't change the fact that it's not available for all devices running 2.2, only a specific few.
 
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