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(Detroit Free Press)   Ever heard of "facilitated communication"? Turns out it can be used to jail you for months on sex charges. With bonus video of cop lying to Asperger's child to try to get him to confess to raping his disabled sister   (freep.com) divider line 262
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2011-01-12 11:52:17 PM
This is what happens when a society loses the ability to think critically. Well, this and "Ow, My Balls!"
 
2011-01-12 11:56:05 PM
It was pretty clear in the inclusion classrooms where they did this stuff it was "the magic finger" giving the answers. If the aide didn't know the answer, somehow the kid didn't either.
 
2011-01-12 11:58:06 PM
christ, we've all seen that Law and Order, or Dateline, or 20/20.

so yes subby, we've heard of it.
 
2011-01-13 12:10:07 AM
The Wendrows named the West Bloomfield Police Department as a defendant, in part, because of a two-hour interrogation a detective conducted with the 13-year-old boy shortly after his parents' arrest, telling him that they had videos of both the boy and his father sexually assaulting the girl. The boy had no adult representative present for the interview.

Detective Joseph Brusseau, who remains on the police force, later admitted in depositions that he had lied about police finding videos.

The boy, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome, a mild form of autism, can be seen on video rocking and crying during the interview and insisting that neither he nor his father had assaulted anyone.


I think a couple of million dollars for the family and about twenty years in the general population of the state prison for that detective is a reasonable outcome. Oh, and have the words "I put innocent people in jail" tattooed on him as a tramp stamp. Just for some motivation on Bubba's part.
 
2011-01-13 12:15:49 AM
ah, prosecutorial misconduct in the form of pseudoscientific bullschnit. Two of my least favorite things together again.
 
2011-01-13 12:17:01 AM
FTFA:
A school aide reported that a 14-year-old autistic girl, who can't speak and functions at the level of a 2-year-old, was telling her that her father began raping her when she was 7 and her mother stood by.

If the girl functions as a 2 year old as the article points out, why in the world would someone think she could type out a coherent sentence? Have you ever seen a 2 year old type on a keyboard? It looks something like this: bbcteugvbtvggvnthvvnvuihv.
It seems to me this aide had an axe to grind. Either that or the aide reads 2 year old fluently.
 
2011-01-13 12:34:53 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

That's the exact same look my cat gives me after she wipes out jumping on the back of the recliner!

"You saw nothing. Anything you did see, I meant for you to see. But you saw nothing."
 
2011-01-13 12:38:14 AM
BumpyMcNipples: That's the exact same look my cat gives me after she wipes out jumping on the back of the recliner!

"You saw nothing. Anything you did see, I meant for you to see. But you saw nothing."


Wrong door BumpyMcNipples. Hillary is two flights down
 
2011-01-13 12:51:18 AM
We're reaching the point that South Park mentioned years ago...

We're going to have to send the children away, and build a shiatty wall to keep them separate.

Not to keep them safe, but to keep the adults safe from the do-gooder assholes who see pedos everywhere, and can ruin someone's life with nothing more than the equivalent of a oujia board.
 
2011-01-13 12:57:01 AM
Wait - SERIOUSLY? They are convicting people in the modern day based on facilitated communication? That is complete BS.

You need to see the Frontline program on Facilitated Communication from 1993. In it, you can you see people who were FIRM believers in the method submitting to a blind test and breaking down when they realize that it is meaningless - all they've been typing has come from themselves, even if they honestly didn't realize it.

You can view the documentary on Google video via The Skeptic's Dictionary (link pops). It's worth a watch.
 
2011-01-13 12:57:36 AM
FirstNationalBastard: nothing more than the equivalent of a oujia board.

I believe it was someone on this very site who used the term "meat ouija" for exactly this...
 
2011-01-13 12:58:52 AM

gridlocksammy: Wrong door BumpyMcNipples. Hillary is two flights down


Woah. Damn. It is way to early for me to be mixing up threads already.

Thanks for the heads up. Guess I'll go be dumb in another thread.

/DOH!
 
2011-01-13 01:48:41 AM
There've been people arrested on the "recovered memories" and "facilitated communication" bullshiat for decades. Parents are desperate for some normal communications with a child incapable of communications and so shell out big bucks for the services of these "communication facilitators" but eventually somebody begins to become suspicious that its all bullshiat and guess what, the child suddenly communicates through the facilitator that the skeptic molested them.
 
2011-01-13 01:59:29 AM
We had a girl in my 6th grade class that "communicated" using facilitated communication. She was constantly looking elsewhere, completely not paying attention, and the handler for her would just move her hand around. The only thing she ever did independently was make the ASL sign for cookie. And she did that a lot.

Even in 6th grade, I knew she was too retarded to be in there, especially because the teacher had to significantly slow down class so she could "keep up". Of course, I was told I was wrong, she was just as intelligent as the rest of us, and I was just discriminating against her.
 
2011-01-13 02:41:24 AM
Yes it's the pride of our Attorney General, who helped put away Tookie Amirault, his sister and mother (who died in prison) on what have been scientifically proven bullshiat methods of interviewing preschoolers, etc.
 
2011-01-13 03:35:17 AM
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: We had a girl in my 6th grade class that "communicated" using facilitated communication. She was constantly looking elsewhere, completely not paying attention, and the handler for her would just move her hand around. The only thing she ever did independently was make the ASL sign for cookie. And she did that a lot.

Even in 6th grade, I knew she was too retarded to be in there, especially because the teacher had to significantly slow down class so she could "keep up". Of course, I was told I was wrong, she was just as intelligent as the rest of us, and I was just discriminating against her.


We had this too though when I was in 3rd grade and I didn't realize this must've been what was going on with the girl in question until years later. I remember her getting introduced and the facilitators excitedly telling us how this girl hadn't had a way to communicate until she was 8 years old, and she kept getting disruptive in class so her two aides had to keep going outside with her (best part was me once seeing the girl madly pointing at the keyboard and telling the facilitator chatting with the other, they didn't care cause they said it was gibberish unless they helped her).

This was around 1996 and when they sent out a questionnaire asking parents whether more kids should be added to the program my mom and a few others were very vehemently against it, and it makes more sense now why.
 
2011-01-13 05:47:04 AM
this is WHY we have innocent until PROVEN guilty.

yes, there are many who are guilty and claim innocence
but the power of government and institutions to get the momentum on false info needs to be checked.

you are helpless otherwise,
the system is a check against itself.
 
2011-01-13 05:53:32 AM
uhhhhmmm....what now?
 
2011-01-13 05:56:29 AM
itazurakko: Wait - SERIOUSLY? They are convicting people in the modern day based on facilitated communication? That is complete BS.

You need to see the Frontline program on Facilitated Communication from 1993. In it, you can you see people who were FIRM believers in the method submitting to a blind test and breaking down when they realize that it is meaningless - all they've been typing has come from themselves, even if they honestly didn't realize it.

You can view the documentary on Google video via The Skeptic's Dictionary (link pops). It's worth a watch.


It's the same thing with acupuncture and chiropractic and anti-vaccination and psychics... Americans need to realize that not all viewpoints are valid. There are plenty of ideas that DO NOT deserve to be included in an honest and rigorous debate.
 
2011-01-13 05:59:04 AM
Just asked the Ouija board, my dead cousin said this guy is guilty as hell.
 
2011-01-13 06:03:31 AM
Typical LEO/DA behavior
It's all about notches on their gun.
Truth, and guilt or innocence mean nothing to them.
They're really just gangster thugs.
 
2011-01-13 06:10:27 AM
antitrust fund baby: Typical LEO/DA behavior
It's all about notches on their gun.
Truth, and guilt or innocence mean nothing to them.
They're really just gangster thugs.


Obvious troll is obvious.
 
2011-01-13 06:11:16 AM
When I first read the headline, my first thought was "Fark, 'facilitated communication'? Who the hell still uses that bullshiat?" Apparently, overeager prosecutors and some aide that must have some serious freaking issues if accusations of lifelong rape are what comes out when she "facilitates".

For the 'facilitated communication' believers of the world, I got two words for you : Clever Hans .

His owner was convinced the communication was real, too.
 
2011-01-13 06:14:42 AM
rogue49: this is WHY we have innocent until PROVEN guilty.

yes, there are many who are guilty and claim innocence
but the power of government and institutions to get the momentum on false info needs to be checked.

you are helpless otherwise,
the system is a check against itself.


What America do you live in, pal? As someone who has been the victim of false accusations, let me tell you: there ain't no "innocent until proven guilty."
 
2011-01-13 06:16:13 AM
I love the prosecutor's comment. "Oh, we just passed the charges along..."

WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR JOB IS! It's to know the law, and the facts of the case. Not act as a rubber stamp for the investigating officers. He/she ought to be disbarred.
 
2011-01-13 06:17:47 AM
"We'll assess everything, but really, right off-hand, I can't think of anything they would do differently because we really don't think they did anything wrong." - Hampton, attorney representing police dept.

Seriously? what is wrong with these people??? I'd see the detective AND the teachers aide in front of a judge explaining why they shouldn't share the sentences they had in store for the parents.
 
2011-01-13 06:24:18 AM
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2011-01-13 06:24:47 AM
And the cops wonder why people hate them.

Douchebags.
 
2011-01-13 06:27:11 AM
Get rid of government immunity and in cases like this one, the DA, detectives and the walking abortions 'working' in Dept. of HS should be held personally liable on all counts.

/government employees = worthless money grubbing turds.
 
2011-01-13 06:28:20 AM
rogue49: this is WHY we have innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Delusional much?
 
2011-01-13 06:31:53 AM
hardinparamedic: antitrust fund baby: Typical LEO/DA behavior
It's all about notches on their gun.
Truth, and guilt or innocence mean nothing to them.
They're really just gangster thugs.

Obvious troll is obvious.


Obvious badge-licker is obvious ... but hey, if you want to come down on the side of those who railroad the innocent ... it's a free country.

Or is It?
 
2011-01-13 06:33:25 AM
antitrust fund baby: Obvious badge-licker is obvious ... but hey, if you want to come down on the side of those who railroad the innocent ... it's a free country.

Or is It?


man, you're so...edgy!
 
2011-01-13 06:36:06 AM
I wish I had thought up of this con.
 
2011-01-13 06:37:41 AM
ghare: rogue49: this is WHY we have innocent until PROVEN guilty.

yes, there are many who are guilty and claim innocence
but the power of government and institutions to get the momentum on false info needs to be checked.

you are helpless otherwise,
the system is a check against itself.

What America do you live in, pal? As someone who has been the victim of false accusations, let me tell you: there ain't no "innocent until proven guilty."


Have to strongly second that. False accusations ruin lives and the burden of proof is most certainly on the accused, doubly so when the charge is something inflammatory.
 
2011-01-13 06:41:56 AM
gimmegimme: itazurakko: Wait - SERIOUSLY? They are convicting people in the modern day based on facilitated communication? That is complete BS.

You need to see the Frontline program on Facilitated Communication from 1993. In it, you can you see people who were FIRM believers in the method submitting to a blind test and breaking down when they realize that it is meaningless - all they've been typing has come from themselves, even if they honestly didn't realize it.

You can view the documentary on Google video via The Skeptic's Dictionary (link pops). It's worth a watch.

It's the same thing with acupuncture and chiropractic and anti-vaccination and psychics... Americans need to realize that not all viewpoints are valid. There are plenty of ideas that DO NOT deserve to be included in an honest and rigorous debate.


The anti-vaccination BS pisses me off the worst. I'm prepared to push this thread into an anti-Jenny McCarthy diatribe if I don't get my usual morning caffiene fix immediately.
 
2011-01-13 06:46:42 AM
dahmers love zombie

"Detective Joseph Brusseau, who remains on the police force, later admitted in depositions that he had lied about police finding videos."


I think a couple of million dollars for the family and about twenty years in the general population of the state prison for that detective is a reasonable outcome. Oh, and have the words "I put innocent people in jail" tattooed on him as a tramp stamp. Just for some motivation on Bubba's part.


You forgot the best bit:

"We'll assess everything, but really, right off-hand, I can't think of anything they would do differently because we really don't think they did anything wrong," he said.
 
2011-01-13 06:46:43 AM
hardinparamedic: antitrust fund baby: Typical LEO/DA behavior
It's all about notches on their gun.
Truth, and guilt or innocence mean nothing to them.
They're really just gangster thugs.

Obvious troll is obvious.


Because cops don't lie and DA's don't care about the stats that mean promotion.

Oh no.
 
2011-01-13 06:48:38 AM
deevo: Just asked the Ouija board, my dead cousin said this guy is guilty as hell.

Can't argue with that. Wouldn't even know where to start.
 
2011-01-13 06:56:17 AM
SQUIRREL!
 
2011-01-13 07:01:11 AM
FTA: the township's insurance carrier has agreed to pay his family and attorney $1.8 million to settle a wrongful-arrest suit.

So it is the insurance company that chooses whether the family deserves compensation?
 
2011-01-13 07:02:09 AM
One thing that is absolutely certain is that any time a cop says that they wouldn't lie to you, they are lieing, every time!

Cops are professional liars!
It is part of their training!

And remember never say anything to a cop!
 
2011-01-13 07:03:19 AM
Yeah, after watching the videos, I think that detective needs some molesting himself... by 15 300lb convicts.

/it won't be in the back of a Volkswagen, either.
 
2011-01-13 07:06:36 AM
FC-like typing detected.
 
2011-01-13 07:07:19 AM
antitrust fund baby: hardinparamedic: antitrust fund baby: Typical LEO/DA behavior
It's all about notches on their gun.
Truth, and guilt or innocence mean nothing to them.
They're really just gangster thugs.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Obvious badge-licker is obvious ... but hey, if you want to come down on the side of those who railroad the innocent ... it's a free country.

Or is It?


Ooh, I bet you're a hoot at parties, too. Any good Arizona Congresswoman jokes for us?

/why so srs, lulz
 
2011-01-13 07:07:35 AM
William Hampton, the attorney representing the Police Department, said the settlement was "nothing more than a business decision by the insurance company, with no admission of wrongdoing or of any liability."

No, see, a settlement of $5,000 is nothing more than a business decision to avoid future costs of litigation. A settlement of $1.8 million is an implied indication that the insurance company thinks that its insured is well and truly farked in court. It may not be admissible proof of guilt, but it can't be explained away as routine transaction without meaning.

Insurance companies don't just pay $1.8 million on these lawsuits. There had to have been some very long and tense conversations between the defense lawyers, the insurance representative and higher management, and the client about how this case could very easily result in a judgment north of $5 million.

If the insurance company thought $1.8 million was a bargain, they clearly felt the plaintiffs had the goods on them.
 
2011-01-13 07:08:24 AM
Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: gimmegimme: itazurakko: Wait - SERIOUSLY? They are convicting people in the modern day based on facilitated communication? That is complete BS.

You need to see the Frontline program on Facilitated Communication from 1993. In it, you can you see people who were FIRM believers in the method submitting to a blind test and breaking down when they realize that it is meaningless - all they've been typing has come from themselves, even if they honestly didn't realize it.

You can view the documentary on Google video via The Skeptic's Dictionary (link pops). It's worth a watch.

It's the same thing with acupuncture and chiropractic and anti-vaccination and psychics... Americans need to realize that not all viewpoints are valid. There are plenty of ideas that DO NOT deserve to be included in an honest and rigorous debate.

The anti-vaccination BS pisses me off the worst. I'm prepared to push this thread into an anti-Jenny McCarthy diatribe if I don't get my usual morning caffiene fix immediately.


OOH! Do it! Any excuse to post Respectful Insolence's link (Which ORAC actually took down facilitated communication a few months ago) is a good one.
 
2011-01-13 07:10:43 AM
This shiat is STILL AROUND?
 
2011-01-13 07:11:50 AM
Muta: FTA: the township's insurance carrier has agreed to pay his family and attorney $1.8 million to settle a wrongful-arrest suit.

So it is the insurance company that chooses whether the family deserves compensation?


Since they're potentially on the hook, they get a say in settlement talks. If they fear a jury could award $5 million, they'll try to avoid that by offering a lesser but substantial figure.

If the family won an enforceable verdict, the insurance company would be on the hook up to the limits of their policy, whether they like it or not.
 
2011-01-13 07:12:47 AM
Free Range Deranged: hardinparamedic: antitrust fund baby: Typical LEO/DA behavior
It's all about notches on their gun.
Truth, and guilt or innocence mean nothing to them.
They're really just gangster thugs.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Because cops don't lie and DA's don't care about the stats that mean promotion.

Oh no.


http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/hasty-generalisation

Explanation A hasty generalisation draws a general rule from a single, perhaps atypical, case. It is the reverse of a sweeping generalisation.
Example (1) My Christian / atheist neighbour is a real grouch.
Therefore:
(2) Christians / atheists are grouches.
This argument takes an individual case of a Christian or atheist, and draws a general rule from it, assuming that all Christians or atheists are like the neighbour.
The conclusion that it reaches hasn't been demonstrated, because it may well be that the neighbour is not a typical Christian or atheist, and that the conclusion drawn is false.
 
2011-01-13 07:13:32 AM
just_another_asshole/jaa: And remember never say anything to a cop!

A long video but worth watching. Both a defense lawyer and a former cop say the same thing. SAY NOTHING. You can only harm yourself, guilty or innocent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
 
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