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(Sci-Con)   The neurochemistry of psychedelic experiences, dude   (sci-con.org) divider line 64
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2003-07-13 12:36:51 PM  
wow does fark suck when its messed up
 
2003-07-13 12:39:23 PM  
It's better than nothing...Maybe now everyone will decide that it's worth the extra $5 per month to do TotalFark as well. That way Drew can then afford to buy upgraded equipment so that Fark won't crash anymore. After all, folks, he can't carry the whole load on his own.

It's only $5!!! Do it!
 
2003-07-13 12:39:48 PM  
So this explains Cheech & Chong?
 
2003-07-13 12:55:46 PM  
This is a re-hashed Cannabis Culture article
 
2003-07-13 01:05:46 PM  
I really liked this article. The effects of mind altering drugs are amazing, and just now becoming scientifically understood. Hypothetically of course... But the substances I"ve come in contact with, have opened up thoughts I never would have acknowledged in a conscious state. Bringing me closer to truth than I would have otherwise allowed. The experience is like walking a fine line between insanity, and epiphany. Its different for everyone, but paranoia was most prevalent in my case so in conclusion: "Drugs are bad, ummkay?"
 
2003-07-13 01:10:23 PM  
emilythestrange....i have quite a history with mind altering substances and only once did i have a 'bad' trip....why do you think you were so paranoid? were you in a safe, familiar, environment with people who had doen them before? I think these drugs are blown way out of proportion, and recommend the careful use of them....i will probably get flamed for this, but what the hell, i have a tremendous respect for these drugs and I have had truly amazing expiriences while using them. I am not crazy, I have graduated from college, and I am a functioning member of society, so anyone who says that these drugs fark you up can stuff that argument.
 
2003-07-13 01:14:44 PM  
I've noticed that the paranoia stems from thoughts like "People might know what I'm up to!" or "I could get caught". Yet another effect of drugs that directly stems from prohibition, yet is blamed on the drug itself.

/flame on
 
2003-07-13 01:20:13 PM  
I'd never thought of the paranoia that way. I used to freak out just walking into McDonalds when I'd been smoking, mainly because I have serious red-eye problem and I thought people would notice. I was basically scared of being busted.
 
2003-07-13 01:26:58 PM  
Rock_Strongo, most users would agree with you on the importance to be in a good stress lacking environment, with people you know and trust. Also, your mood is also an important factor. If you felt like shiat all day long, it is a real risk to experience a badtrip. Been there, done that. Now I'm barely able to post on Fark.
 
2003-07-13 01:27:30 PM  
Rock_Strongo
I was really curious about drugs, and not bashing them at all. In my experience, you have to be prepared to face things you might not want to acknowledge. I had to take a hard look at myself, and I wasn't ready to. That's all. For other people, it's a relaxed enjoyable thing, but I probably wasnt in the best state of mind. The 'bad trip' starts with the user, not so much the drug.
 
2003-07-13 01:32:17 PM  
i've taken almost 6 or 7 tabs, waited two whole hours and THEN went to the movie theater on a friday night, to see the final fantasy movie. i was tripping face. yet, i knew that i didn't smell like smoke (i hadn't been smoking), i was coherent enough (as almost always when taking hallucinogens) to buy a ticket, and then get seated in a crowded theater without skipping a beat. THAT'S when i let the effects really wash over me. i could restrain it to get done what i needed to get done.

on a side note: most people thought that the FF movie sucked. but while tripping, the animation was spectacularly surreal. also, most people just saw the man vs. alien aspect, but i looked a little deeper into the realm of eastern religion and belief systems based on gaia, the life tree, etc. etc. Interesting stuff, the acid AND the thoughts that it provoked.

~Matt
 
2003-07-13 01:33:04 PM  
darkhorse23 That way Drew can then afford to buy upgraded equipment so that Fark won't crash anymore

The server is quite new. Must be a lemon motherboard.
 
2003-07-13 01:46:53 PM  
I came across one of their hard drives lately.
(lemon)

Oh yeah,...Better living through chemistry!
 
2003-07-13 01:52:28 PM  
Psychedelics should only be used by professionals like me. Stay away from them. If you find them by accident, give them to me. Actually, don't.

Also, please try to IDENTIFY your psychedelics before you throw them down your gullets. It's funny how many e-tard raver kiddies end up on PCP or stuck in a "K-hole" because they're too stupid to figure out what they bought from "the guy with the white gloves.. Yeah, no maybe I think it was that guy."

I really love how acid makes you go from one moment of pristine realization of all that is to stumbling over your words and giggling uncontrollably at the mere thought of english conjugation the next. In the proper set and setting, you can learn more about yourself and the world around you than from any other experience.

/Ravers suck
 
2003-07-13 01:58:22 PM  
4 words. Level of service agreement. 24/7 with spare parts on hand and a 4 hour response time. yep...TotalFark for everyone.

Is TotalFark um...Farked?
 
2003-07-13 02:14:20 PM  
Hey Kids- I'd love to
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2003-07-13 02:52:52 PM  
i met god on mushrooms once...best. trip. ever.
 
2003-07-13 02:59:33 PM  
I'm such a wuss sticking with the greens. This stuff scares me.
 
2003-07-13 03:24:37 PM  
So, how does this all result in chopping off one's penis, frying it, and eating it?
 
2003-07-13 03:25:55 PM  
i did acid 4 times when i was a kid. the 4th time i had a really bad high. that cured me. i wouldn't even get near that crap again. scared the hell out of me.
 
2003-07-13 03:30:53 PM  
Clittle
that is one funny name. and you're a fellow jersey person huh? cool!
 
2003-07-13 03:39:04 PM  
1000+ hits and still kickin'
 
2003-07-13 04:02:27 PM  
So, anyone holding? I need to do some research. :)
 
2003-07-13 04:14:05 PM  
i love drugs. yes sir. i LOVE em. =)

and yeah - anyone holding? it's been months since there was any lsd around here. *sigh*
 
2003-07-13 04:16:36 PM  
TripSixes

Woke up, got out of bed, dragged a comb across my head. Would you like to exchange your Gibsons for an acid tab? I'm here all week..
 
2003-07-13 04:29:46 PM  
Tried acid a bunch of times in my younger days, the result was always the same, follow along, kids:

1) nothing happens for a while
2) then fun begins
3) then it gets really interesting
4) then it calms down
5) when the hell is this crap going to end?
6) seriously, I've had enough, I want to go to sleep now
7) maybe I'm stuck like this and its never going to wear off
8) no, no...I'll be ok, just a few more hours...
9) ok, I'm never doing this again.

In 1993, after repeating the exact steps above many times, I finally remembered 9), haven't done it since.
 
2003-07-13 04:46:09 PM  
I loved the part about the study of the Divinity Students who at shrooms had strong lasting beneficial religious experiences.

We could all experience the divine if the man wasn't holding us back!
 
2003-07-13 05:03:38 PM  
Here's a quote for ya:



"Animal research indicates that Homo sapiens is the only species that will voluntarily take a psychedelic drug again after having experienced the effects."


Come to think of it that's probably true of lots of the weird shiat in which we Homo Sapiens participate.
 
2003-07-13 05:06:41 PM  
I've really wanted to try shrooms for a while. Done a lot of research (erowid.org among others)
My bf made me promise I wouldn't tho b/c he's sure I'll get stuck in trip-mode and never come back.
 
2003-07-13 05:13:24 PM  
Talk to God! Hah! I talked to a Dog!
 
2003-07-13 05:14:24 PM  
Isn't it funny how meth and heroin are Schedule II on the DEA's scale and 90% of Schedule I are tryptamines and other hallucinogenics including cannabis?

Yup Yup. Your tax money at work.
 
2003-07-13 05:53:15 PM  
IrishDrunk: Believe me, as someone who lived next to a field with lots of cows in central Florida for all of high school, you won't get stuck in "trip-mode" and never come back (I laughed out loud when I read that). Psylocibin is a finite chemical that gets metabolized out of the body just like anything else, and thus the effects diminish over a certain period of time (usually 4-6 hours with shrooms). It's not a "switch" you hit to turn on/off tripping.

I highly recommend them (no pun intended). They're probably the least harsh of the psychedelic drugs and they make some great colors :-) Try doing them outside.
 
2003-07-13 06:04:45 PM  
mmmm, LSD...
 
2003-07-13 06:17:31 PM  
Salvia Divornium is a legal hallucinogen, get it while you can.

I used to enjoy acid on an occasional basis, but it just sucks too much out of you. That 'head full of sunshine' seriously deplinishes the bodys vitamin C reserves, imo.

If YOU want to, I say go for it, Aint nobodys business if you do.
 
2003-07-13 06:45:04 PM  
abdul

Also, please try to IDENTIFY your psychedelics before you throw them down your gullets. It's funny how many e-tard raver kiddies end up on PCP or stuck in a "K-hole" because they're too stupid to figure out what they bought from "the guy with the white gloves.. Yeah, no maybe I think it was that guy."

I agree with that, but that doesn't encompass all Ravers, just the bored stupid kids who entered the scene cos they were tired of spending everynight in the mansion living room smoking oregano and thinking it was weed. I'd been raving scince I was 12 and I never did anything. Regardless of what NBC may have said generalization does not an observation make.

I really love how acid makes you go from one moment of pristine realization of all that is to stumbling over your words and giggling uncontrollably at the mere thought of english conjugation the next. In the proper set and setting, you can learn more about yourself and the world around you than from any other experience.

Would you like mustard or mayo with that Swiss cheese brain you're going to have after all that acid?

[image from chm.bris.ac.uk too old to be available]

LSD: Interesting fact. (not that recent so I apologize)


NHSDA reports the nature and extent of drug use among the American household popula tion aged 12 and older. In the 1996 NHSDA estimates, the percentage of the population aged 12 and older who had ever used LSD (the lifetime prevalence rate) had increased to 7.7 percent from 6.0 percent in 1988. Among youths 12 to 17 years old, the 1996 LSD lifetime prevalence rate was 4.3 percent, and for those aged 18 to 25, the rate was 13.9 percent. The rate for past-year use of LSD among the population ages 12 and older was 1 percent in 1996. Past-year prevalence was highest among the age groups 12 to 17 (2.8 percent) and 18 to 25 (4.6 percent). The rate of current LSD use in 1996 for those aged 18 to 25 was 0.9 percent, and it was 0.8 percent for 12- to 17-year-old youths.


stupid ravers suck
 
2003-07-13 07:10:09 PM  
Oh forgot this: What the DEA has to say about LSD
 
2003-07-13 07:10:57 PM  
ARGH! nevermind...
 
2003-07-13 07:22:30 PM  
It has been almost ten years since I last did acid (and I only dropped three times in my life, to be exact).

The first time was interesting. I remember going over to my friends house, and Lee (his Vietnamese roomate) came home from work in the middle of our trip.

Lee realised we were farked up and ran back into his room. He came out wearing only black pants holding a pair of nun-chucks (sp?).

He began to whip them through the air quite expertly whilst making all sorts weird Kung Fu sounds. Waaaaaaaa! Keeeeeeeeeoooo! Saaaaaaaaaiiiii! Shiiiiiiieeeeeeeeiiii!

Then he stopped and looked at us. And he asked us all a question: "You see dragons!?"

I laughed so hard I almost peed myself.

Cheers
 
2003-07-13 07:23:21 PM  
uhh...LSD does NOT cause damage to the physical brain according to any research I have read, excepting one study which was claiming color recognition dropped after extreme high-dose use for extended periods of time. It can make you freak out or do something stupid, and it can make you suddenly and actually gain philosophical/religious insight which persists after the drug effect is gone. It is dangerous and it is powerful, but so are a lot of things including cars, helicopters, and antibiotics--just know what you're doing and the risks your taking and don't biatch afterwards.
 
2003-07-13 07:31:24 PM  
Do be explaining the swiss cheese bit
 
2003-07-13 08:03:11 PM  
Tried acid a bunch of times in my younger days, the result was always the same, follow along, kids:

1) nothing happens for a while
2) then fun begins
3) then it gets really interesting
4) then it calms down
5) when the hell is this crap going to end?
6) seriously, I've had enough, I want to go to sleep now
7) maybe I'm stuck like this and its never going to wear off
8) no, no...I'll be ok, just a few more hours...
9) ok, I'm never doing this again.


My exact experience, Feetsza Once I had to sit in a closet for a couple of hours waiting for it to wear off some, although I never had a 'bad trip.' didn't get to step #9, but haven't done it in years anyway. At my age, it could be fatal.
 
2003-07-13 08:06:26 PM  
While Ive never partaken in LSD use I did spend an evening with a few guys on acid. The sight of my friend stalking around his house with a rifle wearing just a bath robe and taking random shots at things will never leave me. One of the oddest nights Ive had.
 
2003-07-13 08:16:08 PM  
Whoops! Forgot to mention that that whole Swiss Cheese thing was me speaking in meatphor.


/Bad Darth_Smurf! Bad!
 
2003-07-13 08:26:22 PM  
can anyone figure out why these drugs are illegal? i mean, aside from the one bad trip that was the direct result of deep philosophical discussion with my roommate who was a philo major, i have suffered no ill effects from my use of these truly mind expanding drugs.....by the way, if you have the means, eat some mushrooms (acid works just as well, maybe better, i just have had a harder time coming by good ol 'cid) and watch "The Wizard of Oz" with "Dark Side of the Moon" playing as the sound track, I've done it 4 or 5 times and it blows my mind every time. Highly recommended. I wrote a paper for a film class on it if anyone is interested........
 
2003-07-13 08:26:43 PM  
Meatphor? That sounds tastey.
 
2003-07-13 09:36:24 PM  
Feetsza pretty much sums it in a nutshell. Through my own experiences I favored mushrooms over acid as having a more predictable timeline then any of the acid hits I ever took, which all pushed past the 20 hour mark.
The handful of times I dropped acid were to extra-dimentionalize select concert-going experiences(and it sure did), then became boring afterwards "6) seriously, I've had enough, I want to go to sleep now."
The handful of times I ate mushrooms were planned more thoroughly to enjoy the entire trip from start to finish and didn't draw out nearly as long.
I would definately advocate being as knowledgeable as possible on all aspects of any drugs you take before you take them. Group yourself with people you trust, not only to share in the experience, but who can be a sounding board if the trip should happen to go "bad". Make transportation/PR arrangements beforehand so that everyone can safely enjoy tripping. /$.02
 
2003-07-13 09:48:07 PM  
Interesting. A few comments:

The possible negative long term effects of LSD use are WELL documented experimentally and anecdotally. They are potentially severe and irreversible. Don't believe me? Ask anyone who puts the unlucky back together. Can you say tracers that don't go away? Ever?

My personal experience with psychs has varied. Some good trips, some truly terrifying. No joke. I agree with what was said above: set and setting are uber important, as is mindset. If you are cranky, these chems aren't gonna help. Go have some ice-cream. If you are around a control freak (trippin' or not), you ain't gonna have fun.

Ironically, the folks most interested in experimenting with psych chems are usually the least prepared to handle them emotionally and constitutionally. These drugs really do take energy, as well as a solid grounding in reality. Most people I know who have dropped acid have done so while using alcohol, and this (depending on various factors) can really exacerbate the intensity of the trip, as well as the come-down.

And last but not least, you can go to prison for a long, long time if caught. Uber No Joke. There are people in the pokey right now who, because of the draconian federal drug laws, won't get to see their kids outside of prison until they are middle age. Not because they were trafficking or dealing; they just got caught with the feds favorite controlled substance that has several mandatory sentencing rules attached to em'. These laws are often triggered by weight, not dosage, so under NO circumstances should you use suger-cubes or liquid suspension as a delivery method. Purity, to the law, is irrelevant. Acid is acid.

That being said, I have to say that some of the most interesting times I have had are due to shrooms and lsd. I've seen the walls breathe. I've seen potted plants writhe with extacy. One even tried to touch me (quite strange, in a pleasant kinda' way). I've seen my cousins face become the most amusing color of green I have ever seen, and no, he wasn't gonna yak. Not right then anyways. I've experienced walking through the desert at night as if it were day, with an acute sense of awareness that I have not been able to replicate since. And I'm a practicing Buddhist. I have witnessed the "everything is gonna be ok" feeling overwhelm an entire group.
(Think the Eagles Desperado around the campfire looking up at the stars in the middle of BFE surrounded by your best buds. Good Times...). And ya' know what? Nobody got hurt.

Final Verdict?

Not for the faint of heart, or the emotionally insecure. Seriously, are you ready to talk to God?

I wasn't.

Just make sure you have your ducks in a serious row if you decide to take the risk. You ARE playing with your mellon. You ARE rolling the legal dice. And many of the people who say "whats the big deal? I did it and I'm ok..." often aren't.
 
2003-07-13 10:03:20 PM  
I knew a guy in college who dealt acid, and his brain was fried. Rumor had it that he'd been a very bright science guy before he did too much acid. I don't know if it was true or not, but he was not with the rest of us anymore.
 
2003-07-13 10:29:26 PM  
Darth_Smurf: A little late on the reply, but that's ok. I'm quite fine, actually, I haven't done acid for about six months. I've never had a flashback or bad trip, and unlike other people I know I didn't notice a single difference, aside from being a much more "enlightened" person. <=

Although if you would like a swiss cheese brain, try disassociatives like whippets, PCP or ketamine. Olneys lesions, yum!! Great with a little wine.

/BTW: Heaviest trip was 2 tabs of mescaline, it blows acid away. Heaviest acid trip was around 12 hits. Easy stuff.
 
2003-07-13 10:39:29 PM  
abdul

No worries on the late reply. I'm doing about 10 thigns at once here. Hope I didn't offend you with any of my blathering though.
 
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