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2001-10-16 11:46:39 AM  
jar jar must die.
2001-10-16 11:48:10 AM  
2001-10-16 11:49:24 AM  
Lucas: Get a clue please.
2001-10-16 11:49:30 AM  
Me suh don't think me going to buy
2001-10-16 11:50:24 AM  
But will the DVD feature the steamy Feed/Bode love scene deemed too hot for the screen?
2001-10-16 11:53:38 AM  
Are these deleted scenes spliced into the movie or are they extras? Not that I'll be buying the DVD anyway. I'm just curious.
2001-10-16 11:57:41 AM  
Lucas is probably saying....Screw you all, Im putting JAR JAR in their even more, and you'll still buy it.
2001-10-16 12:00:40 PM  
I would like to get the first three (original) episodes on DVD. That's about it.
2001-10-16 12:01:05 PM  
Going against the grain here, I didn't mind Jar Jar. Granted he's not as amusing as Carrot Top (and he's not very amusing either) but he was tolerable. I did find it odd however that he looked radically different from the other Gungans.
2001-10-16 12:01:40 PM  
Big deal, he's in one scene. It probably cuts to a wide shot anyway. And so what. He was the only sign of life in that movie.
2001-10-16 12:07:11 PM  
Unfortunately Jar Jar isn't the only problem with that movie....the whole thing is a steaming turd.
2001-10-16 12:07:13 PM  
The first time I saw TPM, Jar Jar annoyed me a lot. The second time I didn't find him so bad--not sure why. I still don't *like* him, mind you, but he didn't bug me too much. Young Anakin, however, made me wonder if they could have found a more wooden actor to play that part had they put out a casting call to juvenile trees. At least Jar Jar had the excuse of being computer generated...
2001-10-16 12:12:20 PM  
I saw TPM and hated jar jar until I noticed that the 4 year old kid sitting in front of me giggled every time he said something 'funny'. I don't know....little kids laughing just makes me feel better. So I didn't mind Jar Jar when I saw it.
2001-10-16 12:14:44 PM  
A bud of mine has a good spin on the crappy kid actor they got to play Anakin: You can actually believe that "whiney Luke" from Episode IV is the son of this "Yippee-I-can't-act" little brat.
2001-10-16 12:17:14 PM  
I'm telling you all that Jar Jar is gonna pull an evil Darth Vader injury thing, get special armor, and then become Boba Fett. Mark my words, it will happen.

This my friends is inevitable. George Lucas does not care about the fans anymore, because the fans are taking his vision, and twisting the GEORGE LUCAS brainchild by trying to make it thier own, and this is probably the best way to get back at all the people who try to make some sort of science (Or Religion) out of a series of movies. No fan can just leave George be with his ideas, they have to add thier two cents to every idea he has.

What I am trying to say is fan fiction is dumb. Fanboys are dumb. I love Star Wars as much as anybody who loves the movies, but COME UP WITH YOUR OWN IDEAS PEOPLE. Leave Georgie alone with his fantasy plans about jamaican? sea creatures and little warrior teddy bears already, because your opinion doesn't matter, all it's gonna do is make George turn Jar Jar into Boba Fett.
2001-10-16 12:19:42 PM  
I thought the DVD version was going to have less Jar Jar:
Jar Jar says bye bye.
Filmmaker George Lucas says character Jar Jar Binks will be left out of DVD version.

April 20, 2000 | The news is in and Jar Jar is gone. Well, at least partially according to Star Wars creator George Lucas. "Jar Jar will only appear at the beginning and then again towards the end of the movie. His total onscreen time has been cut to just under 7 minutes," Lucas said in a press release on Thursday.

Jar Jar Binks, the Gungan humanoid who plays several critical roles in The Phantom Menace, drew howls of disdain from critics and fans alike when the movie opened last May. Lucas endured charges of racial and ethnic stereotyping with the unpopular character whose mannerisms and speech appeared at times almost Rastafarian.

"We've taken a look at some of the fan's criticism of Jar Jar and decided to give [the fans] what they wanted with the DVD release," Lucas continued.

"During the DVD production we took special measures to maintain the film's coherency while showing less of Jar Jar. We were able to do this in part because of our use of digital techniques and the multiple camera shots we did during filming."

But is this too little too late for appalled fans of the series? "It has absolutely nothing to do with the false accusations of ethnic stereotyping I've been attacked with," Lucas rebutted, "We simply saw an area of the movie we could make stronger and more appealing to the mature DVD buying audience out there. We're just giving the fans what they want."

The DVD version of Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace has not been given a release date. The VHS tape version is in stores now and contains unaltered Jar Jar footage.
2001-10-16 12:20:27 PM  
TPM had one absolutely brilliant scene, which for me made the movie: the fight between Darth Maul and The 2 Jedi. The set was straight out of Wagner, and the 2 on 1 concept was great, and Ray Park really filled that character out. Too bad he had to die.

That one scene saved the entire movie from being a completely worthless piece of crap.
2001-10-16 12:24:30 PM  
My theory on Lucas and the Jar Jar debacle:

Lucas is a man of infinite "pride". Since Jar Jar is his creation, he is convinced that he serves a purpose and is an entertaining character. Since the fans hated him so much, Lucas is doing whatever he can to prove the character. That's why he's including him in Episode 2 and on this DVD.
2001-10-16 12:27:48 PM  
The extra scenes are included separately. Most DVDs have a wide variety of additional stuff on it, including scenes that never made it to the theater. Some of them you wonder why, some you instantly know why.

I'll be getting the DVD, primarily for the extra stuff. Not just the bits on the creation of special effects and such--I've learned a lot about movie-making by listening to the audio commentary on several DVDs. It's a special configuration where the video feed is the original movie, but the audio feed is from people involved commenting on what was done and why. "Castaway"'s audio commentary was a short course in movie sound effects.
2001-10-16 12:28:01 PM  
i liked jar fark off
2001-10-16 12:55:39 PM  
Boojieboy -
Seeing as cloning goes into full effect in the next movie (which is made painfully obvious by the title "Attack of the Clones", I wish he could have just used "The Clone Wars" or something intelligent sounding) do you really think Darth Maul will stay dead? I bet they clone him back since little Vader probably isn't big enough, and still under supervision at this point, to be a big mean Sith Lord. Whaddaya think?
2001-10-16 12:57:28 PM  
Jar Jar is a Jedi.
2001-10-16 01:00:51 PM  
I didn't have any major with Jar Jar either, until my fiance ran around the house talking in Jar-Jar-speak for weeks. But, I still thoroughly enjoyed the whole movie. And I still do.

For the hardcore Star Wars fan, I mean the people who have read every novel, every comic, bought, played and beat every video game, the film offered a great deal of history. Especially in the realm of the Jedi. The books state that almost nothing was left behind except for a few holo-recordings of some of the Masters. Nothing of the Jedi code survived, which is why Luke is able to get away with a whole academy full of students (which would make Mace Windu curse up a blue streak I'm sure) instead of the one student for one teacher. So it filled in a lot of gaps and gave a lot of information that many die hard fans REALLY wanted to know.

As far as Jar Jar in Episode II, it says on the website that Jar Jar appeared as a young Gungan in Phantom, to Boss Nass' older Gungan. This leads me to believe that Boss Nass will have died by the time of clones (Brian Blessed isn't listed in the cast for Clones) and Jar Jar will be an older Gungan this time around, meaning the species has a short life span. So I wouldn't expect to see him in Ep III, he probably will have died of old age by then.

For the Jake Lloyd critics...The kid was freaking 9 years old!! Did you expect Brando, or Gene Hackman, or Pacino?!? What's wrong with you? They probably would have turned in the exact same performance at 9 years old. He wasn't wooden, he was just a little boy, who did the best he could with portraying a younger version of his favorite character. So lay off the tyke.


(For Clones, everyone involved has been stunned by the performances Hayden Christansen turned in as the teen Anakin, so something to look forward to. Besides Ewan with long-ish hair. =p )
2001-10-16 01:04:30 PM  
Darth Maul will be back!!! Jar Jar will too!!! fark!!!

Also, does anyone know of any young teen anal nude pics Britney Spears? Man, I'd love to see those. Especially if She's is a tight little tight piece of work.
2001-10-16 01:05:51 PM  
In Jake Lloyd's defense:

That 'Yipee!!!' crap was Lucas' idea all the way. In fact, it is said that when the kid tried to say something more natural, Lucas would stop filming and rather irritably remind him that the script says 'Yipee.'

I hereby repeat my statement that any fanboy at this point could write a better Star Wars prequel than Lucas.
2001-10-16 01:10:11 PM  
Aranach - I've been thinking the same thing, and I hope we're right. Darth Maul was one of the few bright spots of TPM. Oh, well, Queen Amidala wasn't hard to look at either. Maybe she and Anakin will get it on in the next movie. It's Star Wars though. Probably not.
2001-10-16 01:12:57 PM  
I think that I'd like Jar-Jar a little more if he didn't speak like an 1800's plantation slave. No wonder some people were offended...
Jar-Jar is a huge sell-out, just like the Ewoks in ROTJ and there's no way Lucas can defend it.

I thought the fight scene sucked too. It was way too predictable, and having Kenobi do that "I'm barely hanging on to this ledge, I had better use the Force to pull myself up" twice is the same scene was rediculous. Same thing with the two "We're about to be eaten by a huge thing, but the thing was eaten my a much larger thing" happening twice in the same underwater scene on Naboo...

Phantom Menace was a money making scheme, and a succesful one. This just proves that the first trilogy was a fluke and it's success was probably not attributed to Lucas at all. Hell, anyone can sit around and think up things. Once you publish the concept, even though other writers actually come up with the contect it still has your name on it.
I'm not saying that Gene Roddenberry wasn't brilliant, but he didn't have much to do with 'Earth: Final Conflict' or any other Star Treks other than the first, but his name is on them all...
2001-10-16 01:13:13 PM  
SSJHeeroYuy - You're one of those girls my mom warned me about.
2001-10-16 01:15:48 PM  
SSJHeeroYuy: Sorry, but I'm not going to lay off Jake Lloyd just because he's a kid. I've seen too many good kid actors (Haley Joel Osment, Fred Savage, the kid from Hearts in Atlantis, for example--I'm sure there are many more but I honestly don't pay that much attention to kid actors) to let him off the hook for a performance that was wooden, uninspired, and had almost no sparkle to it. I'm not saying I would have wanted to see Osment ("I see Jedi people") as Anakin, but I think Lucas could have done a *lot* better than Lloyd.

(sorry if this is a dup--it didn't seem to post last time.)
2001-10-16 01:28:52 PM  
Dear George,
Thank you for the first three Star Wars Movies. I was 10 years old when the first SW came out. There had never been anything like it before. It was magical. The Second movie was better than the first, dark with great story twists. Thank you, Thank you. The Third movies was a good capper. Wasn't as good as the first two but still wonderful.
As for the Phantom Menace - I am still pissed.
If you only wanted to entertain children, why didn't you just make a cartoon? Why ruin what was a great story.
I will not see Episode 2 or 3. So clone Jar-Jar into an Army, for all I care.
2001-10-16 01:33:05 PM  
The only bright point is the thought of how we never see the Gungans in episodes 4-6. I hope this means we get see Vader punishing the entire race for letting Jar Jar exist.
2001-10-16 01:45:27 PM  

TPM had one absolutely brilliant scene, which for me made the movie: the fight between Darth Maul and The 2 Jedi.

REALLY? I thought Lucas blew it here, more than all the rest of the bland movie together.

This scene was a cheesy cop-out to explain the death of Ben's teacher and how Ben becomes Anakins teacher.

1) Maul was awesome, but c'mon he's going against a Jedi Master and his almost mature apprentice.

2) Qua'gon (or whatever lame name it was) ran off leaving Ben alone, this is extremely foolish for a "wise monk" teacher of the Jedi arts type. This makes me believe the Jedi's are a bunch of retards.

3) After kicking Ben's ass, Maul is defeated by the apprentice. Why was it so easy to kill the teacher but the not-as-skilled apprentice dispatches Maul pretty easily?

4) Ben defeated Maul with Anger in his heart/blow, we all know what Yoda says about Anger, don't we?

What should have happened is that Maul and BOTH Jedi's get it on, Maul almost holding his own, with lots of banter between the three, Maul getting majorly hurt, but manages to get a soon-to-be fatal blow in on Quagon before running away like an evil coward.

It is a time like this that it is realistic that the Jedi outnumber the evil side and having them "gang up" on Maul would have been realistic, smart and still very entertaining.

This scene could have kicked total ass, instead it was a very promising scene that was flaccid and hard to believe. Cheesy and inept.
2001-10-16 01:47:22 PM  
ops, replace "Ben's ass" with "Quagon's ass"

(no homosexuallity impiled in this correction)
2001-10-16 01:48:28 PM  
I'm baffled by people's fanatical hatred of Jar Jar. Its not like if the film lacked Jar Jar it would be a masterpiece. Jar Jar simply happens to be the largest kernel of corn in this turd of a film.
2001-10-16 01:59:14 PM  
Why do we hate Jar-Jar?

Name: idiotic.
Banter: childish, can be percieved as racist.
Behavior: see name.
Reason for existing: poor attempt at marketing to kids. This has been admitted by several people at Lucasfilm.

There is more, but I think this covers my top four reasons.
2001-10-16 02:13:39 PM  
The Phantom Menace stinks like a house made out of chicken shiat, stuffed with dead dogs and set on fire.
You decide which part is Jar-Jar. Lucas has lost all creative thinking and is just out to market a movie to 7yr old kids to make money. I pray that "Lord of the Rings" is decent.
2001-10-16 02:16:44 PM  
Mmm_Hogfat, I think you are vile and un-humorous. Jar Jar is an amazing charcater and Lucas is pure genius. You are so going down to Chinatown you fat bastard!
P.S. What are you wearing?
2001-10-16 02:20:06 PM  
[image from too old to be available]

In another part
of the galaxy,

Later that same day...
2001-10-16 02:23:31 PM  
My son wanted me to go out and buy this today. I told him to wait a few days. Now I'm glad I'm waiting - it will probably be in the closeout rack for $1.98 by the end of the month.

Jar-Jar must die!!!
2001-10-16 02:27:13 PM  
What do you expect from someone that is out of touch? Lucas stole most of his ideas for starwars from the Dune books anyway.
2001-10-16 02:30:42 PM  
Didnt read the article.
Haven't read the thread.

but. Star wars is a CHILDREN'S MOVIE. Give it up and hurry home to catch this weeks episode of Enterprise. farking losers.
2001-10-16 03:09:31 PM  
there's a great scene in a TV show called spaced about the main character's obsession with how shiat jar jar is.

"what about the ewoks? they were rubbish, you never complain about them"

"yeah but jar jar makes the ewoks look like.... farking shaft!"
2001-10-16 03:10:44 PM  
Although 43% has a point, you should all hurry home and watch Enterprise, which is a kick ass show, Star Wars isn't a children's movie, but Jar Jar is a children's character. Lucas wanted to appeal to the younger audiences. And besides, are we all really basing this on what WE think, or what the everyone else has said. I personally didn't think he was annoying at all, then someone pointed it out, I kinda saw how they could see him as a bad character.
2001-10-16 03:16:32 PM  
huumph . . . original vision indeed.

malinosis: just purchased that over the weekend. a good 20 min. smack of nostalgia.
2001-10-16 03:18:42 PM  
Is it that bad to see the bastard go over a waterfall?
2001-10-16 03:27:27 PM  
there is only one FARCE.......

HARDWARE WARS coming soon to DVD
2001-10-16 03:30:10 PM  
I think Lucas is just sending everyone a big fat F.U.C.K. YOU to everyone under the age of 10.
2001-10-16 03:35:44 PM  
Cool Pharoah, I haven't seen it with the new scenes, looking forward to it...

Hey Augie, I knew you'd post...;)

"Ah, jeez, what a martyr! See ya later, ya martyr!"
2001-10-16 03:37:27 PM  
(i feel like the retard in the internet argument picture, plus a healthy dose of dork-loser)

but starwars is very much childrens science fiction. I mean come on- it's even gots muppet for christs sake. If you take all sci fi movies ever made, star wars ranks as the G-est (think neverending story). Many fans were children when it came out and seem to forget that fact.

Haven't seen enterprise, but would like to- the return of BAKULA.

Phantam menace: crap ass movie. really crappy. like watching startrek geeks get psyched up for a barney movie.

(still retarded. and now a dork)
2001-10-16 03:57:27 PM  
Just want to toss my own $0.02 into the pot here. I openly admit (and all of my friends will agree to this as well) that I am a petty big Star Wars geek. Like it or don't, I'm sticking with what I like.

That being said, yes, Jar Jar was very much a children's character, for a more upbeat and light-hearted movie. Anyone who knows the general idea of what's going to come up in Episodes II and III, would kind of agree that Lucas needed one movie that was more cheerful.

I won't get into specifics, so as to not piss off anyone avoiding spoilers, but we already know that in the next two episodes, we at least have Anakin becoming Darth Vader, Jedi being hunted, the fall of the Old Republic, the rise of the Empire, and two baby children being separated form both their parents and being sent off to different corners of the galaxy.

My point here, is that there's a lot of depressing and saddening things coming up in Episodes II and III. I think Lucas wanted to get out a "nice" movie again, one the kids could get into. All of you nay-sayers out there, just watch, we're about to see a couple of very un-happy, and un-cheerful, movies coming from Lucas, with Episode III being even more downtrodden than Episode II.

Just keep your eyes open, the cheerfulness is coming to an end.
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