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2011-01-09 09:28:05 AM  
a true hero. i don't know if i'd have the balls to do that. but i don't think anyone knows until it actually happens.
 
2011-01-09 09:38:55 AM  
I think it was more instinct than anything else. It's in our nature to guard life and protect our own.
 
2011-01-09 09:41:28 AM  
poor kid... what a tragedy.

hopefully his quick-thinking saved lives. watching some of the comment sections on the various news sites is heart-breaking... maybe she'll manage to pull through this and serve as an example for all of us.

oh wait, she's a democrat? never mind then

/i kid when i'm sad :-(
//seriously though- i really hope she pulls through - she is already a badass in my book for making it this far & it sounds like the doctors are optimistic that she'll recover!
 
2011-01-09 09:54:56 AM  
Pathman: the doctors are optimistic that she'll recover!

let's hope.

and bottom line: if anything good can come from this appalling tragedy, let's hope it's a cooling of the rhetoric on both sides.
 
2011-01-09 09:58:50 AM  
Good Kid, brave too.

So were the two civilians that tackled the shooter.
 
2011-01-09 10:01:08 AM  
FlashHarry: a true hero. i don't know if i'd have the balls to do that. but i don't think anyone knows until it actually happens.

Don't forget the two guys who apparently tackled the shooter too, and the other people who helped with the injured. As bad as this shooting is, always remember that the heroes outnumber the villians. It's a thought that makes you feel a bit better about humanity, despite the lack of it shown by the shooter.
 
2011-01-09 10:08:31 AM  
Wow, good on him.

Pretty amazing she was still conscious right after, too. I'd hadn't read so many details.
 
2011-01-09 10:50:53 AM  
Smidget the Hewittarian: I think it was more instinct than anything else. It's in our nature to guard life and protect our own.

I suspect you're right. I've never been in any such situation so I don't know first hand what it's like, but I can only imagine that you just start doing things, you probably don't have time to give much thought to your actions, you just go at it.
 
2011-01-09 11:51:00 AM  
"It probably wasn't a good idea to run toward the gunshots, but people needed help"

Wow, truly a hero indeed.
 
2011-01-09 12:22:10 PM  
If this was an internship for college credit, he's getting an A. Otherwise, he'll end up with a job.
 
2011-01-09 12:56:35 PM  
FlashHarry: Pathman: the doctors are optimistic that she'll recover!

let's hope.

and bottom line: if anything good can come from this appalling tragedy, let's hope it's a cooling of the rhetoric on both sides.


It won't last, but hopefully it will last long enough for something good to come out of it.
 
2011-01-09 12:56:40 PM  
Right on.
 
2011-01-09 12:58:38 PM  
Says who, him?
 
2011-01-09 12:58:44 PM  
Sorry, I can't see that as heroic. It was dumb.

There was a doctor who dove behind a column playing dead until things were safe, then he helped the injured. That was smart, and I would say more heroic than running straight into gunfire.
 
2011-01-09 12:59:35 PM  
must be some dust in here.

hell of a job, kid. hell of a job.
 
2011-01-09 12:59:47 PM  
Richly deserving of the hero tag
 
2011-01-09 12:59:47 PM  
I'm calling B.S. on this (at least some).

In part of the article he says that he rode in the back of the ambulance and held her hand. Now if I'm the Paramedic I'm gonna tell this guy to get the hell out of my truck and let me do my job.

All he's going to do is get in my way.

I'm not buying this guys story.
 
2011-01-09 01:01:18 PM  
Hate to sound so morbidly curious, but nobody brought their camera when they went to see their congresswoman? I can't believe there isn't footage of this already on Youtube or that someone hasn't already sold their clip to a local news station already.
 
2011-01-09 01:02:34 PM  
I was surprised to find out the little girl who died was born on September 11, 2001. The events that bookend her life are just so eerie.
 
2011-01-09 01:02:44 PM  
"Make sure you stay with Gabby. Make sure you help Gabby."

Got something in my eye. Dammit.


For you, Daniel Hernandez:
www.fireflycargobay.com
 
2011-01-09 01:03:24 PM  
What a hero might look like:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-01-09 01:03:27 PM  
FlashHarry: Pathman: the doctors are optimistic that she'll recover!

let's hope.

and bottom line: if anything good can come from this appalling tragedy, let's hope it's a cooling of the rhetoric on both sides.


Well, you found a way blame Democrats too, so at least you have that.

[b..b..but some anonymous sign holder at a protest is TOTALLY the same as tea party national candidates calling for armed revolution! WHY CAN'T BOTH SIDES DIAL IT DOWN!!11!1!one!]
 
2011-01-09 01:04:00 PM  
A bit off topic, but for those who think a shot in the head is certain death and/or vegetable city, there was a Japanese pilot in WW II who took two .50 caliber slugs to the head, flew his plane back to base and recovered enough to fly combat missions again. You can look him up, Saburo Sakai. Met with George H.W. Bush once, and died at 84. Wrote a book called Samurai! about his wartime experiences.
 
2011-01-09 01:04:18 PM  
Headline "When the shots began, he ran toward them"

He didn't ran toward the shots, he ran away from the shots and toward the targets.
 
2011-01-09 01:05:51 PM  
ABQGOD: Hate to sound so morbidly curious, but nobody brought their camera when they went to see their congresswoman? I can't believe there isn't footage of this already on Youtube or that someone hasn't already sold their clip to a local news station already.

It wouldn't surprise me if the FBI already swooped in and got most of it.

/the guys a hero if the story is legit and not a puff piece.
 
2011-01-09 01:06:29 PM  
CBFLATLINE: I'm calling B.S. on this (at least some).

In part of the article he says that he rode in the back of the ambulance and held her hand. Now if I'm the Paramedic I'm gonna tell this guy to get the hell out of my truck and let me do my job.

All he's going to do is get in my way.

I'm not buying this guys story.


It sounds to me like he has some training in the area, and I'm guessing the first responders needed all the damn help they could get.

FTFA:


Using his hand, Hernandez applied pressure to the entry wound on her forehead. He pulled her into his lap, holding her upright against him so she wouldn't choke on her own blood. Giffords was conscious, but quiet.

Ron Barber, Giffords' district director, was next to her. Hernandez told a bystander how to apply pressure to one of Barber's wounds.




Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109daniel-hernandez-gabri elle-giffords-arizona-shooting.html#ixzz1AYwgtezx
 
2011-01-09 01:07:15 PM  
I hear that guy's balls have their own gravitational well.
 
2011-01-09 01:07:19 PM  
CBFLATLINE: I'm not buying this guys story.


It's been on the air here since it happened. Nobody asked you to take out your wallet anyhow...
 
2011-01-09 01:08:46 PM  
etymxris: Sorry, I can't see that as heroic. It was dumb.

There was a doctor who dove behind a column playing dead until things were safe, then he helped the injured. That was smart, and I would say more heroic than running straight into gunfire.


Eat a dick.
 
2011-01-09 01:08:56 PM  
FlashHarry: Pathman: the doctors are optimistic that she'll recover!

let's hope.

and bottom line: if anything good can come from this appalling tragedy, let's hope it's a cooling of the rhetoric on both sides.


False equivalence, as usual, is false. Save your "both sides are bad" derp for when some Republican member of Congress is shot in the head.
 
2011-01-09 01:11:56 PM  
Of course it was a dumb thing to do, albeit heroic. He's 20 for fark's sake; 20 year old men do oodles of dumb shiate, he just saved lives with his.
/BTW apparently he's also gay. Yup, a big dumb 20 year old gay man risking his life to help others.
// Put that in your pipe and smoke it WBC, if you're not to busy protesting a 9 year old's funeral.
 
2011-01-09 01:12:07 PM  
"Of course you're afraid, you just kind of have to do what you can."

I want this guy on my side when shiat goes down.
 
2011-01-09 01:12:09 PM  
CBFLATLINE: I'm not buying this guys story.

What a miserable, unhappy person you must be to have so little faith in humanity.

/also, people ride in ambulances like that ALL THE TIME. BTDT.
 
2011-01-09 01:12:43 PM  
oldebayer: A bit off topic, but for those who think a shot in the head is certain death and/or vegetable city, there was a Japanese pilot in WW II who took two .50 caliber slugs to the head, flew his plane back to base and recovered enough to fly combat missions again. You can look him up, Saburo Sakai. Met with George H.W. Bush once, and died at 84. Wrote a book called Samurai! about his wartime experiences.


The brain is highly reflexible, and can re-route itself to keep going - like Robocop.

The mugshot of that guy with the top of his head missing is an example.

Doesn't always work though. I guess that's the problem. I wonder where the exit wound of Giffords's is because if she's able to hold Hernandez's back in the ambulance she might just pull through without being vegged.
 
2011-01-09 01:13:33 PM  
MFAWG: CBFLATLINE: I'm calling B.S. on this (at least some).

In part of the article he says that he rode in the back of the ambulance and held her hand. Now if I'm the Paramedic I'm gonna tell this guy to get the hell out of my truck and let me do my job.

All he's going to do is get in my way.

I'm not buying this guys story.

It sounds to me like he has some training in the area, and I'm guessing the first responders needed all the damn help they could get.

FTFA:


Using his hand, Hernandez applied pressure to the entry wound on her forehead. He pulled her into his lap, holding her upright against him so she wouldn't choke on her own blood. Giffords was conscious, but quiet.

Ron Barber, Giffords' district director, was next to her. Hernandez told a bystander how to apply pressure to one of Barber's wounds.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109daniel-hernandez-gabri elle-giffords-arizona-shooting.html#ixzz1AYwgtezx


Yep. Sounds like he at least had basic first aid training.
 
2011-01-09 01:13:41 PM  
Smidget the Hewittarian: I think it was more instinct than anything else. It's in our nature to guard life and protect our own.

I havn't seen that instinct here, or anywhere lately. Are you sure?
 
2011-01-09 01:14:42 PM  
As someone who's been in a few high tension emergency situations, I can tell you that you never know what your "fight or flight" instinct will do to you until you're actually in that moment. Most of us would like to say we'd do what this kid did, but unless you're highly trained to overcome your survival instincts, the fact is that most of us, myself included, would have probably run away, and then about ten minutes later after we got control of ourselves, felt guilty about not charging into the gunfire.

Your mind shutting down everything and broadcasting to every limb of your body "JUST RUN" is a very difficult thing to override. Kudos to anyone who was able to ignore that and dive into the gunfire.
 
2011-01-09 01:15:28 PM  
Fear_and_Loathing: Good Kid, brave too.

So were the two civilians that tackled the shooter.


The word you're looking for is "citizens".
 
2011-01-09 01:15:43 PM  
Damn, what a guy. And just an intern, too. I hope the next time a staffer buys him lunch it's a darling steak.

/welcome to politics, Daniel :/
 
2011-01-09 01:16:02 PM  
""You just have to be calm and collected," he said. "You do no good to anyone if you have a breakdown. . . . It was probably not the best idea to run toward the gunshots, but people needed help."

Hero tag is appropriate. This guy has a huge pair of brass balls.
 
rka
2011-01-09 01:16:36 PM  
CBFLATLINE: I'm not buying this guys story.

My wife and I witnessed a car crash one time. Adult male ejected from the car and it came to rest with him underneath. Two kids crawl out of the sun roof (they'd been wearing seat belts). While other people tended to the adult until the ambulance arrived, my wife and I handled the kids. The ambulance crew loads everyone up, and since the little girl was so scared, they let my wife ride along to keep the girl calm.

Happens all the time.
 
2011-01-09 01:16:59 PM  
ABQGOD: Hate to sound so morbidly curious, but nobody brought their camera when they went to see their congresswoman? I can't believe there isn't footage of this already on Youtube or that someone hasn't already sold their clip to a local news station already.

This event wasn't that big a deal; it was everyday, b-flat constituent service stuff. From what I've read, Giffords does these "Congress on your Corner" events rather frequently. Basically, she'd just pitch her tent in the community, shoot the breeze, and help out anybody with questions about government or who was having specific difficulties with federal paperwork.
 
2011-01-09 01:17:00 PM  
SuperMeekrat: Of course it was a dumb thing to do, albeit heroic. He's 20 for fark's sake; 20 year old men do oodles of dumb shiate, he just saved lives with his.
/BTW apparently he's also gay. Yup, a big dumb 20 year old gay man risking his life to help others.
// Put that in your pipe and smoke it WBC, if you're not to busy protesting a 9 year old's funeral.



WTF? This was reported? What size of penis does he take? Anyone read anything about it? It's important.

Just stupid.
 
2011-01-09 01:17:02 PM  
Kar98 Quote 2011-01-09 01:15:28 PM

The word you're looking for is "citizens".


So much this.
 
2011-01-09 01:17:36 PM  
gglibertine: What a miserable, unhappy person you must be to have so little faith in humanity.


Heh, I had to give him some shiat too. But the part of this story that bothers me is that I could swear she was air-lifted and not taken by ambulance. They used 3 helicopters yesterday...
 
2011-01-09 01:17:53 PM  
this_is_ace: must be some dust in here.

hell of a job, kid. hell of a job.


^
 
2011-01-09 01:17:55 PM  
oldebayer: A bit off topic, but for those who think a shot in the head is certain death and/or vegetable city, there was a Japanese pilot in WW II who took two .50 caliber slugs to the head, flew his plane back to base and recovered enough to fly combat missions again. You can look him up, Saburo Sakai. Met with George H.W. Bush once, and died at 84. Wrote a book called Samurai! about his wartime experiences.

Yes, but that's a single piece of data. If you collect a whole bunch of those at random and they're all the same then you might have an argument.

The fact is that penetrating head injuries from bullets are fatal more than 90% of the time. It's amazing that Giffords is not dead. As I have seen pointed out elsewhere, the shooter may have fired so close that the bullet failed to yaw or tumble before it exited, which certainly would increase the survival odds. Also, the bullet passed through from front to back, which also helps. Granted "helps" is relative to being shot through the brain.
 
2011-01-09 01:18:10 PM  
Anybody who thinks this person is a hero is a moron. He deserved what he got.
 
2011-01-09 01:18:40 PM  
In other news, "farking" autocorrects to "darling" sometimes.
 
2011-01-09 01:18:44 PM  
You realize that none of this would have happened had Gabrielle Giffords stayed in the kitchen where she belonged.
 
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