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(The New York Times)   Math? Also a liberal conspiracy   (nytimes.com) divider line 222
    More: Obvious, United States Public Debt, health law, Douglas W. Elmendorf, Boehner  
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2011-01-07 11:58:19 AM
is someone still maintaining that list of unamerican things?
 
2011-01-07 12:27:39 PM
Republicans have said they do not believe that many of the Medicare cuts will ever take hold.

Translation: we're going to block a major source of savings to prove our point that the health care law doesn't save money. Classy and predictable, guys.
 
2011-01-07 12:28:33 PM
I encourage everyone to read this article - there are facts interspersed with desperate comments from Boehner that are just beauts.

These geniuses are going to galvanize the Dems behind Obama solidly. All he has to do is just let them keep saying increasingly idiotic things.
 
2011-01-07 12:37:59 PM
Math is hard.
 
2011-01-07 12:50:54 PM
This Boehner is going to last way too long.
 
2011-01-07 12:51:36 PM
Who was math invented by? GODDAMN FOREIGNERS, that's who.
 
2011-01-07 12:52:04 PM
They are Arabic Numerals after all.
 
2011-01-07 12:52:06 PM
Health shouldn't be a product.
 
2011-01-07 12:52:21 PM
Bring back the death panels and we could save big money -- combine it with a major cut in the estate tax and you got a winner!
 
2011-01-07 12:52:29 PM
Math? just counting is a liberal conspiracy.
 
2011-01-07 12:53:31 PM
Jesus farking christ, media... CALL THEM OUT ON THEIR BALD-FACED LIES.
 
2011-01-07 12:55:06 PM
stuhayes2010: This Boehner is going to last way too long.

If it lasts more then four hours, seek medical help.
 
2011-01-07 12:56:06 PM
Aaaaannnnnnddddd, we slip further back towards the Dark Ages.

Boner, was claiming the CBO report was an "opinion," yet can provide no numbers falsifying their report.

Enjoy, whackadoodles, as your fearless leaders rape you yet again.
 
2011-01-07 12:56:52 PM
thomps: is someone still maintaining that list of unamerican things?

It's been spreading. (new window)
 
2011-01-07 12:57:26 PM
liberal conspiracy libspiracy.


/you know it's coming
 
2011-01-07 12:58:03 PM
iaazathot: Boner, was claiming the CBO report was an "opinion," yet can provide no numbers falsifying their report.

And you can't press him for answers or he'll just start crying.
 
2011-01-07 12:58:38 PM
In Democratic mathland 2+2=6, if you told the CBO to assume that whenever they see 2 to read it as 3. Incorrect inputs always lead to incorrect outputs. Do I dare say that assume made an ass of you and me?
 
2011-01-07 12:58:45 PM
thomps: is someone still maintaining that list of unamerican things?


List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(also known as LOPCATGOPATA for short...):


Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Atheists
Agnostics
Muslims
Jews
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable except FNC
Black People
Mexicans
Gays
Lesbians
Feminists
The ACLU
Activist judges
SCOTUS
Movie Industry
Television Industry
The NY Times
All other newspapers except the Wall Street Journal
National Endowment for the Arts
Keith Olbermann
Rosie O'Donnell
Barbara Streisand
Chris Matthews
Anyone who doesn't allow conservatives to dominate a conversation or win an argument
Environmentalists
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Darwinians
Europe
The United Nations
Human Rights Activists
ACORN
Labor Unions
Teachers
Colleges
Professors
All farm animals except sheep
Google.com
Math


Wow, they sure do have an uphill battle with all these people out to get them.
 
2011-01-07 12:59:09 PM
Iwouldhitit: Math is hard a helluva drug.

/FTFY
 
2011-01-07 12:59:25 PM
"You may end up with a different math, but you're entitled to your math. I'm entitled to the math." --Karl Rove, insisting to NPR that 2006 pre-election polls "add up to a Republican Senate and a Republican House"

"I've already said too much."--Karl Rove

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/karlrove/a/karlrovequotes.htm
 
2011-01-07 12:59:58 PM
Goodfella: thomps: is someone still maintaining that list of unamerican things?


List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(also known as LOPCATGOPATA for short...):


Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Atheists
Agnostics
Muslims
Jews
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable except FNC
Black People
Mexicans
Gays
Lesbians
Feminists
The ACLU
Activist judges
SCOTUS
Movie Industry
Television Industry
The NY Times
All other newspapers except the Wall Street Journal
National Endowment for the Arts
Keith Olbermann
Rosie O'Donnell
Barbara Streisand
Chris Matthews
Anyone who doesn't allow conservatives to dominate a conversation or win an argument
Environmentalists
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Darwinians
Europe
The United Nations
Human Rights Activists
ACORN
Labor Unions
Teachers
Colleges
Professors
All farm animals except sheep
Google.com
Math


Wow, they sure do have an uphill battle with all these people out to get them.


You forgot dijon mustard
 
2011-01-07 01:00:37 PM
Edsel: Jesus farking christ, media... CALL THEM OUT ON THEIR BALD-FACED LIES.

If the media did that there wouldn't be a republican house majority to begin with.
 
2011-01-07 01:01:14 PM
tortilla burger: Goodfella: thomps: is someone still maintaining that list of unamerican things?


List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(also known as LOPCATGOPATA for short...):


Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Atheists
Agnostics
Muslims
Jews
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable except FNC
Black People
Mexicans
Gays
Lesbians
Feminists
The ACLU
Activist judges
SCOTUS
Movie Industry
Television Industry
The NY Times
All other newspapers except the Wall Street Journal
National Endowment for the Arts
Keith Olbermann
Rosie O'Donnell
Barbara Streisand
Chris Matthews
Anyone who doesn't allow conservatives to dominate a conversation or win an argument
Environmentalists
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Darwinians
Europe
The United Nations
Human Rights Activists
ACORN
Labor Unions
Teachers
Colleges
Professors
All farm animals except sheep
Google.com
Math


Wow, they sure do have an uphill battle with all these people out to get them.

You forgot dijon mustard



Oh yeah, and arugala and French toast.
 
2011-01-07 01:01:24 PM
cincinnati.com

J-J-J-JOB-KILLING M-M-M-MATH
 
2011-01-07 01:01:36 PM
tcan: In Democratic mathland 2+2=6, if you told the CBO to assume that whenever they see 2 to read it as 3. Incorrect inputs always lead to incorrect outputs. Do I dare say that assume made an ass of you and me?

The latest CBO assesment is based on the Republican bill.
 
2011-01-07 01:01:37 PM
And it highlighted the difficult position that Republicans are in as they try to address what they insist are the top two priorities of voters who elected them in November: cutting the deficit and undoing the health care law.

According to the budget office, those goals are contradictory.


Luckily for the Republicans, their base doesn't understand the word 'contradictory'.
 
2011-01-07 01:01:54 PM
Garbage in garbage out... when was the last time the CBO didnt revise its estimates by billions of dollars within 6 months of the initial statements?

I'm sure the same thing will happen to this 'prediction' and all the ranters and ravers here will be quiet as mice.
 
2011-01-07 01:01:57 PM
www.orangejuiceblog.com
"New Speaker of the House John Boehner takes a moment after being told there would be math."
 
2011-01-07 01:02:27 PM
stuhayes2010: This Boehner is going to last way too long.

Hopefully not more than 4 hours
 
2011-01-07 01:02:27 PM
It's too bad the CBO is required to accept the law as written at face value and can't make any changes to the phony accounting they use in it.

So like tcan said, if the law assumes that what is really 2 is to be read as 3, then they can come up with this phony idea that health care will REDUCE the deficit rather than make it worse.
 
2011-01-07 01:03:34 PM
The repeal won't get past the Senate or White House, so I think the real question is: how much money is Congress wasting right now even bothering with this thing?
 
2011-01-07 01:04:09 PM
Hydra: It's too bad the CBO is required to accept the law as written at face value and can't make any changes to the phony accounting they use in it.

So like tcan said, if the law assumes that what is really 2 is to be read as 3, then they can come up with this phony idea that health care will REDUCE the deficit rather than make it worse.


You can post this as many time as you want, it still won't be true :(
 
2011-01-07 01:04:21 PM
The Obama math is pretty good too. Spend $1,000,000,000,000 and unemployment will never exceed 8%.

/$23 billion a year is a rounding error now in the Federal Budget
 
2011-01-07 01:04:59 PM
tortilla burger: You forgot dijon mustard

I'm really surprised math wasn't already on that list.

She comes in colors everywhere: stuhayes2010: This Boehner is going to last way too long.

If it lasts more then four hours, seek medical help.


Teabaggery causing priapism?
 
2011-01-07 01:05:41 PM
Crap, forgot to add the link to the Holtz-Eakin piece: Link (new window)
 
2011-01-07 01:05:45 PM
WTF Indeed: "New Speaker of the House John Boehner takes a moment after being told there would be math."

[pic of John "Sniffles" Boehner]

That's the winner there, if you ask me.
 
2011-01-07 01:06:51 PM
soy_bomb: The Obama math is pretty good too. Spend $1,000,000,000,000 and unemployment will never exceed 8%.

/$23 billion a year is a rounding error now in the Federal Budget


And Congress voted how much?
 
2011-01-07 01:07:14 PM
I was told there would be no Boehners.

If they don't believe science, what makes you think they'd believe math? They are power-mongers masked as ideologues for the benefit of the ignorant masses. I once thought that inviting the Christian Coalition and their ilk into the GOP was going to be the death of the party. As it turns out, the strategy of duping xenophobes who have the capacity to believe the unbelievable into believing blatant, demonstrable falsehoods doesn't yet seem to have any negative consequences. That ensaddens me muchly.
 
2011-01-07 01:07:18 PM
Republicans have said they do not believe that many of the Medicare cuts will ever take hold.

Why not? Aren't the Republicans trying to reduce government spending? Seems like Medicare is as valid a cut as anything else.
 
2011-01-07 01:07:24 PM
In additon to costing a couple of hundred billions with a "b", repeal of the health care reforms would add another 32 million people to the rolls of the uninsured. Which is very nearly the population of Canada and considerably more than the population of New York State.

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."--Karl Rove on why it's important to make sure Republicans continue to Bogart the sub-standard Grade Six Jethro Beaudine educations, especially in cyphering (math) and book larnin'.
 
2011-01-07 01:08:23 PM
Jackson Herring: You can post this as many time as you want, it still won't be true :(

Except that it is. Unless you don't know how the CBO actually makes its calculations, you'd know that it is true.

The health care law uses accounting methods that would make Enron executives jealous. They're lying to you every single time they say that health care will "save" $143 billion.
 
2011-01-07 01:08:27 PM
Goodfella:

You forgot dijon mustard


Oh yeah, and arugala and French toast.


inflated tires
 
2011-01-07 01:09:01 PM
Hydra: The health care law uses accounting methods that would make Enron executives jealous.

Such as?
 
2011-01-07 01:09:32 PM
Fun Fact: The head of the CBO used to work at the Brookings Institution and he wrecked Bill Clinton's healthcare plan because it was too expensive.
 
2011-01-07 01:09:46 PM
DarnoKonrad: Goodfella:

You forgot dijon mustard


Oh yeah, and arugala and French toast.

inflated tires


Rubik's Cube
 
2011-01-07 01:10:09 PM
Rev. Skarekroe: The repeal won't get past the Senate or White House, so I think the real question is: how much money is Congress wasting right now even bothering with this thing?

They blew a cool million yesterday reading the Constitution to an empty room. They blow $200,000,000/day on Boehner's tan. I don't even want to think how much this crap is going to cost, with all the phony charts, graphs, etc., we're going to see.

I've got an idea for balancing the budget!

Cut the Republicans!
 
2011-01-07 01:11:20 PM
Hydra: Jackson Herring: You can post this as many time as you want, it still won't be true :(

Except that it is. Unless you don't know how the CBO actually makes its calculations, you'd know that it is true.

The health care law uses accounting methods that would make Enron executives jealous. They're lying to you every single time they say that health care will "save" $143 billion.


Why don't you provide some sources. You are making far fetched claims without any references. Show your work.
 
2011-01-07 01:11:36 PM
"I think it's pretty clear to the American people that the best health care system in the world is going to go down the drain if we don't act."

I'm guessing when he says "American people" and "best health care system in the world" he doesn't mean anyone making under $250,000 a year. You know, if you use that kind of prism to color your view of the world, the Republicans make a lot of sense.
 
2011-01-07 01:12:12 PM
I love how its now the "job killing" healthcare law.
 
2011-01-07 01:12:42 PM
Hydra: It's too bad the CBO is required to accept the law as written at face value and can't make any changes to the phony accounting they use in it.

So like tcan said, if the law assumes that what is really 2 is to be read as 3, then they can come up with this phony idea that health care will REDUCE the deficit rather than make it worse.


Come on, buddy, you're far too smart to be a Republican shill.

FTA:
But the analysis released by the budget office on Thursday was based on the health care repeal bill that House Republicans introduced on Wednesday. And it highlighted the difficult position that Republicans are in as they try to address what they insist are the top two priorities of voters who elected them in November: cutting the deficit and undoing the health care law.

According to the budget office, those goals are contradictory.


Let's call a spade a spade: Boehner was empirically told his party's idea was stupid and now he's all butthurt about it.
 
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