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(Salon)   "Peanuts" and the death of comics: Why the 60th anniversary of Charlie Brown and company is a gloomy reminder that no comic strip will ever be as beloved or as important   (salon.com) divider line 157
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2011-01-05 01:17:34 PM
Except Calvin & Hobbes
 
2011-01-05 01:18:12 PM
Except Calvin & Hobbes
 
2011-01-05 01:20:19 PM
Except Calvin & Hobbes
 
2011-01-05 01:20:59 PM
www.whatjailislike.com

/Except Calvin and Hobbes
 
2011-01-05 01:22:23 PM
I'd like to point out Hobbes & Calvin

/and Beth and Kent, his parents
 
2011-01-05 01:27:55 PM
Except Family Circus

WHAT?
 
2011-01-05 01:28:25 PM
Except Calvin and Hobbes. And Far Side.

/Peanuts sucked for at least the final ten years, maybe more.
 
2011-01-05 01:29:03 PM
Except "Cathy"

/i keeeeeeeeeed i keeeeeeeeeeeeeed
 
2011-01-05 01:30:29 PM
Except the Far Side
 
2011-01-05 01:31:20 PM
Yes - the schadenfreude yuks of watching karma sh*t all over Charlie Brown day after day, week after week, year after year never EVAR got old.

Also: Calvin & Hobbes
 
2011-01-05 01:31:56 PM
But not as much as Garfield.
 
2011-01-05 01:32:57 PM
Accept Calvin & Hobbes.
 
2011-01-05 01:37:10 PM
Gotta love Mallard Fillmore.
 
2011-01-05 01:41:35 PM
Not as much "Peanuts Sucks" posts as I thought there would be. Guess the thread is still young yet.
 
2011-01-05 01:46:05 PM
Must be an age thing. Never really saw the comic but the television specials were just too gloomy and depressing for me. And every time I hear that farking song on the radio at Christmas I turn the channel.
 
2011-01-05 01:46:26 PM
Because reading the same farking jokes over and over again for 50 years was so exciting.

/Bloom County for the win!
//and Far Side
///and I still love Dilbert
 
2011-01-05 01:51:09 PM
Even the author asserts that at the end, Peanuts sucked. At least Watterson was wise enough to quit before he sucked. Schulz didn't.
 
2011-01-05 01:51:21 PM
Quasar: Accept Calvin & Hobbes.

Expect Calvin & Hobbes.
 
2011-01-05 01:51:22 PM
xkcd

And I'm not even a big fan, but it's hard to get away from it.
 
2011-01-05 01:52:13 PM
Calvin and Hobbes.
Bloom County
Dilbert
Far side.

All were better than Peanuts. Also, there are still great 3-4 panel comics around. They just are not in newspapers. Xkcd, Penny Arcade, Cyanide and Happiness, Perry Bible Fellowship, etc.
 
2011-01-05 01:57:45 PM
DrySocket: They just are not in newspapers

Pearls Before Swine, Pooch Cafe, Zits, Big Nate, all quite good and in papers now.

/Oh, and Judge Parker!
//not really.
 
2011-01-05 01:58:37 PM
/OOps, forgot to mention Cul de Sac as well...
 
2011-01-05 02:00:36 PM
Did anyone mention Calvin & Hobbes yet?

/peanuts sucks ballsack
 
2011-01-05 02:04:55 PM
Bloom County was the best comic ever...but maybe I'm biased.

I liked Peanuts too...
 
2011-01-05 02:05:41 PM
Agatha Crispy: Must be an age thing. Never really saw the comic but the television specials were just too gloomy and depressing for me. And every time I hear that farking song on the radio at Christmas I turn the channel.

That was always the appeal to me. Charlie Brown had genuine social awkwardness, and I identified with that more than the Arthur shows or whatever.

I liked Doug, but I think Doug had the same mindset.
 
2011-01-05 02:05:58 PM
Peanuts was fine for its time. Humor changes. When I was younger, I enjoyed it. The last few years weren't good, but to say that the strip sucked is doing it a disservice.
 
2011-01-05 02:06:07 PM
www.thomasarchergroup.com

EXCEPT CALVIN & HOBBES.
 
2011-01-05 02:08:49 PM
alaric3: Except Calvin & Hobbes

Jmast7: Except Calvin & Hobbes

I Said: Except Calvin & Hobbes

mahuika: /Except Calvin and Hobbes

kingoomieiii: I'd like to point out Hobbes & Calvin

/and Beth and Kent, his parents


Earguy: Except Calvin and Hobbes. And Far Side.

/Peanuts sucked for at least the final ten years, maybe more.


oldfarthenry: Also: Calvin & Hobbes

Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

/good grief
 
2011-01-05 02:14:48 PM
SphericalTime: Quasar: Accept Calvin & Hobbes.

Expect Calvin & Hobbes.


NO ONE expects Calvin and Hobbes!
img.photobucket.com
 
2011-01-05 02:17:13 PM
RocketRod: And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

/good grief


You never saw a legally-licensed Calvin do it either. Bill Waterson refused to sell merchandising rights for the comic to anyone. No legal merchansise has been produced for C&H outside the collection books.

/I've never seen Hobbes hawk insurance
 
2011-01-05 02:17:30 PM
RocketRod: Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

/good grief


I see I have entered a Wonky Donky Zone! I must spin four times while singing "on top of spaghetti" to score!
 
2011-01-05 02:19:48 PM
RocketRod: And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

Calvin never did either.

//smelled fishy but took the bait anyway
 
2011-01-05 02:21:18 PM
RocketRod: Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

How on earth is saying "Calvin & Hobbes was also a beloved comic" enough to get wound up over? Liking C&H and liking Peanuts are not mutually exclusive.
 
2011-01-05 02:21:47 PM
RocketRod: Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

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2011-01-05 02:28:46 PM
I would include a few more strips along with Peanuts as most important and beloved, but this appears to be a generational thing.

C & H may only be licensed for collections and calendars (1990s) but Snoopy selling insurance, and other merchandising, has put Shulz in Forbes' top 5 richest dead people every year since his death. His widow and kids don't mind and neither did he. I hate to say it but he did it before and better than Garfield. He just did not farm out the writing and drawing of the strip like Davis.

Anybody against merchandising can mail me their Star Wars figurine collections.
 
2011-01-05 02:32:38 PM
Peanuts is iconic, but it isn't funny and rarely ever has been. Seriously, go look up random strips and see how long it takes to find one that gets a laugh. I've tried and got bored before I so much as cracked a smile.
 
2011-01-05 02:36:15 PM
mahuika: RocketRod: Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

How on earth is saying "Calvin & Hobbes was also a beloved comic" enough to get wound up over? Liking C&H and liking Peanuts are not mutually exclusive.


They aren't, but Snoopy and Charlie Brown have been cultural icons for generations. I love Calvin & Hobbes, and liked Bloom County better than any of them, but honestly, Charlie Brown is the Babe Ruth of the comics page. Calvin & Hobbes is rightly beloved, but everyone from age two to ninety-two in this country recognizes Snoopy.
 
2011-01-05 02:42:03 PM
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2011-01-05 02:45:46 PM
Nabb1: mahuika: RocketRod: Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

How on earth is saying "Calvin & Hobbes was also a beloved comic" enough to get wound up over? Liking C&H and liking Peanuts are not mutually exclusive.

They aren't, but Snoopy and Charlie Brown have been cultural icons for generations. I love Calvin & Hobbes, and liked Bloom County better than any of them, but honestly, Charlie Brown is the Babe Ruth of the comics page. Calvin & Hobbes is rightly beloved, but everyone from age two to ninety-two in this country recognizes Snoopy.


But it's impossible to compare them on their ability to be recognized, because how much of Peanuts' popularity stems from the comic alon, and how much came later with the TV specials and series? I'm not saying that those need to be totally separated, but the reason anyone under 30 in your 2 to 98 grouping knows who Snoopy is has nothing to do with the newspaper comics.

And I remember growing up with C&H. It was the only reason I read newspaper comics at the time, and I know tons of people who are definitely in my boat.

They're both beloved.
 
2011-01-05 02:48:45 PM
RocketRod: alaric3: Except Calvin & Hobbes

Jmast7: Except Calvin & Hobbes

I Said: Except Calvin & Hobbes

mahuika: /Except Calvin and Hobbes

kingoomieiii: I'd like to point out Hobbes & Calvin

/and Beth and Kent, his parents

Earguy: Except Calvin and Hobbes. And Far Side.

/Peanuts sucked for at least the final ten years, maybe more.

oldfarthenry: Also: Calvin & Hobbes

Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

/good grief


I said nothing against Peanuts. I mean it was better when it was called Lil' Folks.
Calvin peeing was an unlicensed rip off thing.
But I doubt any comic is as "beloved" as Calvin & Hobbes.
 
2011-01-05 02:49:44 PM
mahuika: Nabb1: mahuika: RocketRod: Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

How on earth is saying "Calvin & Hobbes was also a beloved comic" enough to get wound up over? Liking C&H and liking Peanuts are not mutually exclusive.

They aren't, but Snoopy and Charlie Brown have been cultural icons for generations. I love Calvin & Hobbes, and liked Bloom County better than any of them, but honestly, Charlie Brown is the Babe Ruth of the comics page. Calvin & Hobbes is rightly beloved, but everyone from age two to ninety-two in this country recognizes Snoopy.

But it's impossible to compare them on their ability to be recognized, because how much of Peanuts' popularity stems from the comic alon, and how much came later with the TV specials and series? I'm not saying that those need to be totally separated, but the reason anyone under 30 in your 2 to 98 grouping knows who Snoopy is has nothing to do with the newspaper comics.

And I remember growing up with C&H. It was the only reason I read newspaper comics at the time, and I know tons of people who are definitely in my boat.

They're both beloved.


Sure, but that's why I compared him to Babe Ruth. No one today under the age of 40 or 50 is watching baseball because of Babe Ruth, but he is one of the reasons baseball became what it was for the next 75 years and even today. Pete Rose has more hits. Hank Aaron has more home runs (Bonds doesn't count - he's a fraud). But Babe Ruth is the most iconic figure in baseball of all time.
 
2011-01-05 02:53:23 PM
Nabb1: mahuika: Nabb1: mahuika: RocketRod: Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

How on earth is saying "Calvin & Hobbes was also a beloved comic" enough to get wound up over? Liking C&H and liking Peanuts are not mutually exclusive.

They aren't, but Snoopy and Charlie Brown have been cultural icons for generations. I love Calvin & Hobbes, and liked Bloom County better than any of them, but honestly, Charlie Brown is the Babe Ruth of the comics page. Calvin & Hobbes is rightly beloved, but everyone from age two to ninety-two in this country recognizes Snoopy.

But it's impossible to compare them on their ability to be recognized, because how much of Peanuts' popularity stems from the comic alon, and how much came later with the TV specials and series? I'm not saying that those need to be totally separated, but the reason anyone under 30 in your 2 to 98 grouping knows who Snoopy is has nothing to do with the newspaper comics.

And I remember growing up with C&H. It was the only reason I read newspaper comics at the time, and I know tons of people who are definitely in my boat.

They're both beloved.

Sure, but that's why I compared him to Babe Ruth. No one today under the age of 40 or 50 is watching baseball because of Babe Ruth, but he is one of the reasons baseball became what it was for the next 75 years and even today. Pete Rose has more hits. Hank Aaron has more home runs (Bonds doesn't count - he's a fraud). But Babe Ruth is the most iconic figure in baseball of all time.


Still don't get why it's a problem to say they're both beloved, then
 
2011-01-05 03:03:49 PM
mahuika: Nabb1: mahuika: Nabb1: mahuika: RocketRod: Without Peanuts's stewardship to keeping the daily strip classy, C&H would have no relevance to you whippersnappers. And I never saw Snoopy pee on a Ford/Chevy/etc. logo.

How on earth is saying "Calvin & Hobbes was also a beloved comic" enough to get wound up over? Liking C&H and liking Peanuts are not mutually exclusive.

They aren't, but Snoopy and Charlie Brown have been cultural icons for generations. I love Calvin & Hobbes, and liked Bloom County better than any of them, but honestly, Charlie Brown is the Babe Ruth of the comics page. Calvin & Hobbes is rightly beloved, but everyone from age two to ninety-two in this country recognizes Snoopy.

But it's impossible to compare them on their ability to be recognized, because how much of Peanuts' popularity stems from the comic alon, and how much came later with the TV specials and series? I'm not saying that those need to be totally separated, but the reason anyone under 30 in your 2 to 98 grouping knows who Snoopy is has nothing to do with the newspaper comics.

And I remember growing up with C&H. It was the only reason I read newspaper comics at the time, and I know tons of people who are definitely in my boat.

They're both beloved.

Sure, but that's why I compared him to Babe Ruth. No one today under the age of 40 or 50 is watching baseball because of Babe Ruth, but he is one of the reasons baseball became what it was for the next 75 years and even today. Pete Rose has more hits. Hank Aaron has more home runs (Bonds doesn't count - he's a fraud). But Babe Ruth is the most iconic figure in baseball of all time.

Still don't get why it's a problem to say they're both beloved, then


They are both beloved, but I think that Peanuts are more beloved than maybe any comic strip in history for all the reasons I stated. That doesn't take anything away from Calvin & Hobbes.
 
2011-01-05 03:06:46 PM
Nabb1: They are both beloved, but I think that Peanuts are more beloved than maybe any comic strip in history for all the reasons I stated. That doesn't take anything away from Calvin & Hobbes.

You do realize that you replied to me basically saying, "Calvin and Hobbes is a beloved comic, which doesn't take anything away from Peanuts"?
 
2011-01-05 03:11:23 PM
Similar article here (new window) but doesn't forget Calvin and Hobbes
 
2011-01-05 03:33:34 PM
DrySocket: Calvin and Hobbes.
Bloom County
Dilbert
Far side.


That pretty much covers it. Every few months if I'm a passenger on a long car ride or in rehab, I try to read comics and other than the above listed, they were painful. Especially Family farking Circus.


screamer.chez.com

Agrees
 
2011-01-05 03:34:22 PM
Earguy: /Peanuts sucked for at least the final ten years, maybe more

I was too young to read the early ones, so they are new to me. By the time they run through the entire oeuvre and get to the last ten years, I will probably have Alzheimer's, so once again they will be new to me. Then we'll see if they suck or not.

Um, what was the question?
 
2011-01-05 03:48:17 PM
oldebayer: Um, what was the question?

What is the fastest land animal on Earth?
 
2011-01-05 03:52:24 PM
If anyone posts the picture of Hobbes in the trashcan, I will curl up in the fetal position and cry.
 
2011-01-05 04:10:59 PM
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I like this one better Link (new window)
 
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