No, it's because all the people left Illinois.

weren't their gun laws overturned???

inb4 shiatstorm

A lot of the murderers have now been murdered.

It's not just Chicago. Crime is dropping everywhere in North America, even Canada, which has a completely different set of gun laws from the US. It has been steadily dropping for about a decade now.

Although police departments of course try to take credit, it has more to do with demographic shifts (older folks commit fewer crimes) and the effect that legalizing abortion had in the 70s (both in Canada and the US) as documented years ago in the book "Freakonomics"

Chicago's murder rates are the lowest they've been in forty-five years. Guess the gun control laws in Illinois really are working



/gonna sit this one out

Because 80% of the black male population is already in prison?

Latin Kings took their holiday break from murdering Playboy Bloods. I just wish they could all murder each other in prison. They seem so intent on being sent someplace where they have to watch other men shiat...

Without John Hughes, people would have left Chicago a looong time ago...

well, it has only been two days. I would hope they haven't surpassed last years record already.

R.A.Danny [TotalFark]
Quote 2011-01-02 11:52:48 AM
coco ebert: CaptainWes: No, it's because all the people left Illinois.

This is Chicago, though. Are you saying Chicago has had a significant population decline?

Yes (new window) it has.

Mostly the decline has been because the police have actually started to enforce the law in certain neighborhoods that were forsaken in the past.

From your own post, it grew between 1990 and 2000, and the 2009 estimates shows that the population is basically the same as 2000. The population decline is old news.

CaptainWes: No, it's because all the people left Illinois.

Or they just gave up trying to compete with the much more murdery city of Oakland.

"Northwestern University's Institute for Policy Research, attributed some of the overall decline to smarter policing, including the use of technology to do real-time deployments of officers, and the higher incarceration rates in the 1990s."

Subby is either stupid or trolling (or both). Gun control limits the guns available to law abiding citizens. People who commit violent crimes, are not law abiding citizens (obviously). In the U.S., gun control does not significantly lower crime rates to justify its action.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

"That is an astonishing and big drop," said Franklin Zimring, the director of the Criminal Justice Research Program at the University of California at Berkeley.

Umm its down a total of 25 in the course of a year, not exactly astonishing or big.

But go ahead and be proud you murder more than 1 citizen a day. USA USA!

hipster_slayer: Without John Hughes, people would have left Chicago a looong time ago...

Who is John Hughes and why does he make me stay in Chicago?

CaptainWes: No, it's because all the people left Illinois.

What are rate? For all intensive purposes, irregardless you cannot refudiate this disorientating conversate we are having.

That does CokeBear: It's not just Chicago. Crime is dropping everywhere in North America, even Canada, which has a completely different set of gun laws from the US. It has been steadily dropping for about a decade now.

Although police departments of course try to take credit, it has more to do with demographic shifts (older folks commit fewer crimes) and the effect that legalizing abortion had in the 70s (both in Canada and the US) as documented years ago in the book "Freakonomics"

That does partially explain why old people go around filled with fear of largely imaginary crimes.

unr3a1: In the U.S., gun control does not significantly lower crime rates to justify its action.

Doesn't raise them, either.

Like every big US city, Chicago's crime rate has plummeted in the past 30 years.

real shaman: weren't their gun laws overturned???

THIS!

Perhaps because Supernintendo Weis is actually doing some good work in leading the CPD. Maybe that is why so many mayoral hopefuls/police unbion leaders want to get rid of the guy

The drop in murders really has nothing to do with Chicago in particular as violent crime been dropping in all major metropolitan areas in North America in the past 20 years.

LA, NYC and Chicago are all seeing all time low murder rates in several decades

Frigid: R.A.Danny [TotalFark]
Quote 2011-01-02 11:52:48 AM
coco ebert: CaptainWes: No, it's because all the people left Illinois.

This is Chicago, though. Are you saying Chicago has had a significant population decline?

Yes (new window) it has.

Mostly the decline has been because the police have actually started to enforce the law in certain neighborhoods that were forsaken in the past.

From your own post, it grew between 1990 and 2000, and the 2009 estimates shows that the population is basically the same as 2000. The population decline is old news.


Compare 1950 to 2008.

Congratulations to Otis McDonald!

Think about it, in this economy, who can afford bullets?

jbuist: Uh, didn't Chicago move to a system where they only report 'outside' homicides now? They were basically saying that an indoor murder wasn't really the CPDs problem so they don't count.

I remember reading this on Fark. I don't have the link though.

the economy is so bad not many people in chicago could afford bullets.

Panty Sniffer: Compare 1950 to 2008.

1950 doesn't have a lot to say about recent crime rates.

Aquadyne: The drop in murders really has nothing to do with Chicago in particular as violent crime been dropping in all major metropolitan areas in North America in the past 20 years.

LA, NYC and Chicago are all seeing all time low murder rates in several decades

And all of them have strict gun control laws.

I stand in awe of troll-mitter. This'll be good.

/another large part of the crime reduction is simply the huge incarceration rate in the USA.

baka-san: Yeah, it's down...

TO still more than one a day.

For some reason I don't see 395 killings a year for one city anything to brag about

Well, thanks to Section 8 portability Chicago is seeing a significant diaspora of its thug and banger class to dozens of small-to-midsized communities throughout the Midwest in Illinois, Iowa and Wisconsin - the kind of criminal migration not seen since the Mariel Boat-lift.

These murders committed by cradle-to-grave Chicago-born welfare cases are still happening, they're just happening elsewhere.

Abortion works.

FTA:"Skogan, who studied the department's districts to look at neighborhood crime trends, found that since 2003 many African-American neighborhoods were not enjoying declines in crime similar to what white, Hispanic or diverse neighborhoods saw."

Thats Racist?

LOGICAL_PSYCHO: FTA:"Skogan, who studied the department's districts to look at neighborhood crime trends, found that since 2003 many African-American neighborhoods were not enjoying declines in crime similar to what white, Hispanic or diverse neighborhoods saw."

Thats Racist?

Everyone knows that black people enjoy crime.

jaytkay: unr3a1: In the U.S., gun control does not significantly lower crime rates to justify its action.

Doesn't raise them, either.

Like every big US city, Chicago's crime rate has plummeted in the past 30 years.

Crime rate statistics would disagree with you on gun control not raising violent crime. It obviously depends on the demographic of course, but there is definitely statistical evidence showing in certain cities where gun control laws got more strict, violent crime rates increased.

Panty Sniffer
Quote 2011-01-02 01:45:32 PM
Frigid: R.A.Danny [TotalFark]
Quote 2011-01-02 11:52:48 AM
coco ebert: CaptainWes: No, it's because all the people left Illinois.

This is Chicago, though. Are you saying Chicago has had a significant population decline?

Yes (new window) it has.

Mostly the decline has been because the police have actually started to enforce the law in certain neighborhoods that were forsaken in the past.

From your own post, it grew between 1990 and 2000, and the 2009 estimates shows that the population is basically the same as 2000. The population decline is old news.


Compare 1950 to 2008.

1950 has nothing to do with the last 45 years of murder statistics. And since the original comment was that the reason murders were down was because everyone left Illinois, why would the murder rate be at its lowest 20 years after the population was at its lowest?

Yes there has been a significant decrease in population, but it is not the reason that 2010 had the lowest murder rate in the last 45 years.

unr3a1: Crime rate statistics would disagree with you on gun control not raising violent crime.

Untrue. Chicago's murder rate dropped to about 35% of 1970s levels with a very strict gun ban in place.

Same thing happened across the US. It has nothing to do with gun laws.

Azlefty: Actually reputable studies show that when strict gun control laws are enacted violent crime rates rise and when crime rates drop, they do not drop as far or as quickly as in areas without the Strict gun control laws.


What makes me disbelieve this is that so few people carry guns going about their daily business, why would loose gun laws have a deterrent effect on criminals.

No, it's because the people getting robbed are defenceless and unarmed, so they just follow order from the robbers and hope not to be killed.

Oh and the shady way that the chicago police now classify what exactly is 'murder'. lol farking kills me, have to many murders...call them something else.