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2011-01-01 09:31:14 AM  
Boomers Hit New Self-Absorption Milestone: Age 65

::snicker::
 
2011-01-01 10:00:35 AM  
Because 70 is over the speed limit.
 
2011-01-01 10:18:00 AM  
I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.
 
2011-01-01 10:19:19 AM  
Anyone else too lazy to go to bugmenot?
 
2011-01-01 10:19:45 AM  
cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.


Typical boomer, it's all me, me, me.
 
2011-01-01 10:20:31 AM  
this country will look radically different in 10-20 years when they all die off.

can't wait
 
2011-01-01 10:23:00 AM  
Another eye injury story! I've read three articles this morning and two of them mentioned eye injuries. I'm scared to go outside.
 
2011-01-01 10:25:07 AM  
We can still trust Abe Vigoda, right?

...

RIGHT?!
 
2011-01-01 10:25:40 AM  
FROM the moment they entered the workforce in the 1960s, baby-boomers began to shape America's economy and politics. They will do the same as they leave. The first of the estimated 78m Americans born between 1946 and 1964 turn 65 in 2011, the normal age for retirement. As their ranks swell in coming years, the burden of financing their retirement will mount. So will their electoral importance.


AARP and senior interests voting block. Think about it.
 
2011-01-01 10:27:32 AM  
 
2011-01-01 10:28:26 AM  
Rozinante: cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.

Typical boomer, it's all me, me, me.


No shiat, eh. Hey, whining Boomer: Here's a newsflash for you: NO ONE CARES!
 
2011-01-01 10:28:27 AM  
low_dazzle: this country will look radically different in 10-20 years when they all die off.

can't wait



I'm making plans for a grave robbing career when they do. You know all these bastards are going to try and take their loot with them.

Already have a furnace ready to melt down all those knee and hip replacements we paid for.
 
2011-01-01 10:29:46 AM  
low_dazzle: this country will look radically different in 10-20 years when they all die off.

can't wait


Yeah, everything will be done through Failbook!

/The President is feeling sad today
//Anonymous douchebag like this!
 
2011-01-01 10:31:15 AM  
cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.


This. My mother was born in 1943. I was born 12/29/64. so technically I'm a boomer and my mother is not. But she sure the hell acts like it.

/proud capricorn
 
2011-01-01 10:32:34 AM  
Nocens: low_dazzle: this country will look radically different in 10-20 years when they all die off.

can't wait


I'm making plans for a grave robbing career when they do. You know all these bastards are going to try and take their loot with them.

Already have a furnace ready to melt down all those knee and hip replacements we paid for.


Boomers have no loot, friend. Their savings were wiped out in the Bush recession, their investment in their houses was likewise wiped out, and their lazy-ass whiny gen x/y/z kids still live at home because THEY can't find a job.

You'll be lucky to get their half-empty shampoo bottles when they die.
 
2011-01-01 10:32:56 AM  
Article author Dan Berry seems to be filled with a lot of hate
 
2011-01-01 10:33:33 AM  
Why all the hate for Baby Boomers? Why do all these Gen Xers and Yers think they are hot shait?

Yeah, I'm one of the them.
 
2011-01-01 10:33:54 AM  
Saved from someone who posted it long ago:

"....that labour spent the first half of the nineteenth century learning the rules of the capitalist game and the second half applying them, then the first half of the twentieth century saw the apparently irresistible triumph of labour, and the second half its eclipse and fall - or almost."
--Eric Hobsbawm


60 years ago an entire generation of working class men returned from the most traumatizing conflict in human history and practically demanded a better life for themselves and their children. They felt they had earned it. The political and economic nerves of our society could not agree more. This generation, they felt, which had endured nothing but turmoil, hardship, poverty, economic ruin and the horrors of mass-mechanized war, had deserved to live the rest of their lives in comfort and stability.

So the war generation moved to the peace and quiet of suburban housing divisions around the cities. Everything the war generation asked for, they got. They wanted nothing like the Great Depression to ever happen again. An international system called the Bretton Woods was set up to safeguard this. They wanted affordable housing. They got it. They wanted stable incomes, with stable companies that valued their position, their work and their contribution. They got it. They even wanted their children to be smarter and better educated than they were--they wanted to send them all to college. From a generation where most did not have much beyond a grade 8 education, this was unheard of. Yet they got it. Most of the Universities, in fact, were brand new at the time, and needed to fill their halls with students. They would take anyone who applied.

All the concessions delivered to the average joe gave strength to a burgeoning new population demographic: the middle class.

The children of the middle class--the boomers--ended up becoming the whiniest, most spoiled, most self-absorbed generation on the face of the earth, because they grew up in this post-war period where everything was literally given to them on a silver platter. Life, they were constantly told, was going to be different. It was going to be better from then on. And they were the chosen generation, growing up with this sense of entitlement.

Most economists pinpoint the exact year when things began to change to be 1973--also known as the year when the middle class was the largest, and had the most power. Many things happened that year all at once that shook world economies and society in general, which had been relatively firm and stable since the Second World War, including:

1) The dissolution of the Bretton Woods financial contract
2) The removal of the Gold Standard in the World Bank (actually 1971)
3) OPEC flexes its muscle
4) The number of union workers reached its peak, and has been steadily declining ever since
5) Women's Liberation Movement was at its height. Title IX enacted (actually 1972)
6) Leo Strauss died

A lot of these things actually freed up corporations and made global trade more laissez-faire, which is what they wanted. The war generation desired world economic policy that deliberately prevented Depressions, so it was relatively benign, safe, and steady (and crash-proof)....forever moving slowly forward, with everyone on board. Like a bus. But 1973 is heralded as the year that Boomers suddenly started moving into positions in power en masse, and a revolution in economic thinking occurred: to them, global markets should move faster and quicker, like a race car.

Economic inertia is akin to a big hulking ocean liner, not a speedboat. Just as a big boat takes several miles and hours to turn on the high seas, when a gigantic change is made, it often takes years to manifest. Such it was that the world-sweeping policies in 1973 really started coming into play in the 80s, where it started behaving exactly like it was up until the 30s: big gains, but also big lows. Dow jumping and falling hundreds of points all the time (something that wasn't really a regular occurance until Reagan took office).

The Women's Liberation movement probably had the largest effect in the early 70s. Boomer women were the first generation that not only wanted to work the same jobs and positions as men, but felt they deserved equal pay and power for it as well. Suddenly, a whole generation of families had instantly doubled their income! When such a radical revolution occurs in an economic system, it immediately tries to right itself to cope with the influx of new capital, beginning with the first and most expensive commodity humans can buy, which sets the standard for every other purchasable thing on the planet: real estate. In the span of 18 months, houses tripled in value. This resulted in MASSIVE inflation.

1973 changed everything, though no one really noticed for several years. The 80s is when people started noticing that the middle class was shrinking, unions were evaporating and corporations were making more money than ever. Because the new school of boomer companies realized that the true secret to riches wasn't steady, productive growth like their parents corporations of the 50s and 60s, but rapid, massive growth very quickly. The way to do this, of course, is via venture capital and the stock market. But it wasn't foolproof. The Savings & Loan scandal, the crash of 87, and the cutthroat acquisition, merging and selling of companies popularized in films like Wall Street highlighted the decade's economic excess. A lot of people at the top made a lot of money really quickly, but as any economics 101 student can tell you, that means a lot more people at the bottom lost a lot of money as well.

The mid-90s tech-boom carried this new math to logical extremes. Companies moved so fast, they were not stable (and not intended to be). Rather than settling down and consolidating their gains, corporations used their income to create more companies. A lot of them were created, made money, and dissolved in a matter of months when funding ceased. Whole divisions and departments of corporations were created to service specific tasks, and then discontinued and dissolved as soon as they outgrew their usefulness.

This makes sense from a corporate standpoint, and is all well and good in the name of business to maximize profit. But think of the people employed by these "flash companies". When a job of that nature is so uncertain.....how can you even plan for yourself, much less your future or your family's future.

In addition to that is the magical world of outsourcing. America used to be one of the industrial and manufacturing giants of the world. Then in the 70s and 80s, manufacturers moved their jobs overseas. Phil Knight even told Michael Moore one time that the reason why he didn't have any Nike factories in America is because Americans aren't interested in making shoes.

But maybe he's right. Maybe that kind of work is beneath the average American. That they are too good for that. America doesn't want to be a manufacturing-based economy anymore. No, it wants to be a SERVICE-based economy. So all the Americans who previously filled up manufacturing employment stats then started filling up service employment stats.

Now America is outsourcing its service sector jobs overseas. Why? Because Americans don't want to serve people. That's for immigrants and poor people. Americans are much better than that.

No, what America wants to be instead now is a management-based economy. Yes. A whole country of people who's sole purpose is to telling other people what to do. Like, well......like Americans. Americans don't want to work, they want to run, own, operate and control companies that make other people work. Like Gekko said: I create nothing. I own.

A person with an MBA who goes from a $40,000 Marketing Supervisor to a $18,000 short-order cook is still counted as gainfully employed, but is it actually better for the economy? Do you think they're going to lower their standard of living and stop buying $7 coffee at their bohemian coffee house because they can't afford it? ......to today's consumer, not being able to afford something is not the same as not deserving that lifestyle.

So in effect, all the concessions given to the war generation to live comfortably were taken away from them when they died. The pendulum took a hard swing to the left after the war, as an apology to the generation that had to live through it and the Depression, and since 1973 has been swinging back to the right. Today, what do we have?

Double-income families that can't seem to make ends meet.

College tuitions that no one but the privileged can afford. Students in debt are practically indentured servants for several years, paying off a degree that guarantees them no job. Working class families can barely afford them.

As a result of the above: graduate students working minimum wage.

A public education system that is currently #18 in the world, with horrid reading and mathematics levels, understaffed, underfunded, and not preparing students for their futures.

Because of the failure of the above, the rise of private schooling and homeschooling for the privileged.

Criminal imprisonment of an entire class of people who hurt no one but themselves.

Healthcare no one but the privileged can afford.

The most inequitable distribution of affluence and the flaunting of this inequitable distribution of affluence (thanks to media) in human history.

I don't know about you, but I don't know a single person under 30 who reasonably expects to collect social security.

Companies that hire you for so long as is needed, and then discard you. Contract and temporary employment is cheaper than full-time. No one can gain a line of credit, because there are no stable jobs that last more than a year or so before they're moved, changed, dropped, outsourced or laid off.

A system of employment that favours quotas, equalization, parity, and maximizing stock dividends rather than actually hiring competent people to put out a decent product that people will buy.

Unions that--while once championing the power of labour and the spirit of the people--are now shunned, ostracised, spit on, and betrayed by their fellow workers.

A middle class that is being squeezed by the government and corporations alike, sponsoring a trend that, in 100 years, should see the annihilation of middle America altogether.

Credit card companies so voracious that they occasionally hand out cards to pets and children. People, incapable of saying no to credit they are awarded but don't actually have, are racking up record amounts of consumer debt and have resorted to begging for money on the internet to finance their habit.

You can probably think of many more.
 
2011-01-01 10:36:09 AM  
Interesting if this is a switch up, it's usually the newest generation that's ruining everything. Then again, maybe it's the meddling kids of the "not me" generation earning their moniker.
 
2011-01-01 10:36:48 AM  
The best parts are the long, self-justifying, non-paragraphed comments from butt-hurt boomers.
 
2011-01-01 10:39:27 AM  
Savoir-Faire: Saved from someone who posted it long ago:

Bunch of unsubstatiated ramblings


Look, it SOUNDS very good, but none of it has any basis in fact.
 
2011-01-01 10:39:32 AM  
I like how they wrote a two-page article describing boomers, with a couple of disclaimers of ".....now we can't go around generalizing about such a large group", then go right on generalizing about them.

Party Boy: source
No matter how old I get, I'll never vote Republican. And my mother, who is too old to even be a Boomer, is not a Republican either, despite her many flaws. We never got rich enough to want to grind everybody else into the dirt.

low_dazzle: this country will look radically different in 10-20 years when they all die off.
can't wait


I'm not going to be dead in 20 years, Junior. And neither are my brother and sister. Don't forget, everybody gets to live to be 80 or 90 now.
 
2011-01-01 10:40:59 AM  
Sobrrr: Interesting if this is a switch up, it's usually the newest generation that's ruining everything. Then again, maybe it's the meddling kids of the "not me" generation earning their moniker.

Every generation blames the one before. Every generation blames the one after.

This has been going on since, oh, about 10000 years ago at least.
 
2011-01-01 10:44:15 AM  
The entire concept of "generations" is stupid.
People are born every year, all year long. Not in waves of 20-year periods.
 
2011-01-01 10:45:40 AM  
Pick: Why all the hate for Baby Boomers? Why do all these Gen Xers and Yers think they are hot shait?

Yeah, I'm one of the them.



We just want to see the assholes die who tripled housing prices and quadrupled tuition fees but wouldn't raise wages. So now we can get an education and a home while becoming indentured servants to a bank for the rest of our lives.
 
2011-01-01 10:49:16 AM  
Hey Pick - Yeah, there's always a lotta hate in any thread that mentions the "boomers". Granted, the world would be a lot better place if more of them had used contraception.
 
2011-01-01 10:49:23 AM  
cryinoutloud: I'm not going to be dead in 20 years, Junior. And neither are my brother and sister. Don't forget, everybody gets to live to be 80 or 90 now.


The killer heartache which preys on white men in their 60's is still very much in play. If you make it past that hurdle then you'll get to 80 or 90.
 
2011-01-01 10:52:32 AM  
Nocens: cryinoutloud: I'm not going to be dead in 20 years, Junior. And neither are my brother and sister. Don't forget, everybody gets to live to be 80 or 90 now.


The killer heartache which preys on white men in their 60's is still very much in play. If you make it past that hurdle then you'll get to 80 or 90.


i don't want to make it that long if it means rotting away in a nursing home, I'd prefer the heart attack.
 
2011-01-01 10:52:46 AM  
My prediction: The last Baby Boomer will add $3 trillion to the federal debt to live an extra 8 minutes.
 
2011-01-01 10:53:19 AM  
Nocens: Pick: Why all the hate for Baby Boomers? Why do all these Gen Xers and Yers think they are hot shait?

Yeah, I'm one of the them.


We just want to see the assholes die who tripled housing prices and quadrupled tuition fees but wouldn't raise wages. So now we can get an education and a home while becoming indentured servants to a bank for the rest of our lives.


Ah. So there is the butt hurt
/agree with you though
 
2011-01-01 10:55:44 AM  
I'm sorry to hear that you hate your parents.
When they die I'm sure you'll be happy.
 
2011-01-01 10:56:46 AM  
Wouldn't worry too much about the "boomer" generation: the Great Die-Off has already begun! Those who burned their candles from BOTH ends started dying ten years ago -- and it's accelerating. Five years from now is the biblical "three score and ten." You'll start seeing a whole LOT of funeral processions then!
The GOOD NEWS? There'll be a HUGE number of housing units available as widows find themselves with two (or more!) houses/condos on their hands. Think the housing market is bad now? Wait 'til all those millions of second homes hit the market! AND they'll be cheap! Good times, good times!!! :)
 
2011-01-01 10:57:50 AM  
Dan Barry "is a 1980 graduate of St. Bonaventure University." [Wikipedia]

That would place him in the first few years after the nominal end of the so-called "baby boom". So it frees him up to write a lot of self-satisfied nonsense about how selfish the "baby boomers" supposedly are. And even he admits "Ascribing personality traits to a bloc of 79 million people is a fool's endeavor." Then like a fool he goes ahead and does just that.

As Savoir-Faire points out, 1973 is a pivotal year: a year in which the oldest "baby boomers" reached the ripe old age of 27 and began to demolish all that was good and stable in the world. Really! They had that much clout at age 27 and younger.

So of course the "greatest generation", who really were in charge at the time, get off without any blame or rebuke, and get to retire at age 60 on Social Security paid for by their selfish children.

So blame away, youngsters. But know that time will come when everything is YOUR fault.
 
2011-01-01 11:02:08 AM  
In other news, everyone hates everyone and everything is the other guy's fault.

More at 11. Unless those other guys get greedy and preempt the broadcast with one of those shows they like and everybody else hates. You know the ones I mean.
 
2011-01-01 11:02:10 AM  
ghare: Nocens: cryinoutloud: I'm not going to be dead in 20 years, Junior. And neither are my brother and sister. Don't forget, everybody gets to live to be 80 or 90 now.


The killer heartache which preys on white men in their 60's is still very much in play. If you make it past that hurdle then you'll get to 80 or 90.

i don't want to make it that long if it means rotting away in a nursing home, I'd prefer the heart attack.


My doctor told me - "The first thing that is going to kill you is your heart, we can fix that. the second thing that is going to kill you is colon cancer. We can watch for that too. You make it past those two, then that heart thing will come back to bite you when your 85 and farking a 25 year old. that is my goal for you".

/cool doctor
 
2011-01-01 11:06:51 AM  
It's asking me to log in. I thought registration links were banned?
 
2011-01-01 11:09:01 AM  
cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.


But you comfortably put all men in the same basket, yes?
 
2011-01-01 11:09:23 AM  
Wow, one day he was the most important guy that ever lived, the next day he's some shmoe working in a box factory.
 
2011-01-01 11:10:37 AM  
cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.


THIS.
Seriously, I'm in the same bracket. And this grouping is retarded, as you say. Furthermore, in the late '60's for every boomer getting stoned in college, experimenting with communal living, growing magic 'shrooms, trying to freak out their parents, there were about a hundred if not more who couldn't afford college or could at best afford auto repair, machinist or photography courses at community college, were just hoping to try and get a decent job, and might have toked up a few times at parties but would no more shoot something into their veins than they would jump into a cesspool for thrills. The only thing they might have shared with the former group was possibly a liking for the Beatles or Rolling Stones.
And us folks born 1960 or later have next to nothing in common with the first boomers, as you say. Our scene wasn't peace and love- our scene was Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson.
 
2011-01-01 11:12:53 AM  
Savoir-Faire: But 1973 is heralded as the year that Boomers suddenly started moving into positions in power en masse, and a revolution in economic thinking occurred: to them, global markets should move faster and quicker, like a race car.

Given that the very oldest of the boomers, who turn 65 today, turned 27 in 1973, and the youngest would have been all of nine years old, I doubt that boomers moved "en masse" into positions of power in that year. A lot of things did change in 1973, and it marked the turning point as a lot of post-war trends failed and turned into new trends, but you can't lay that at the feet of the boomers in any meaningful sense. The war generation (and some stragglers from the previous one) still firmly held the reins of power in their hands.
 
2011-01-01 11:13:55 AM  
ghare: Every generation blames the one before. Every generation blames the one after.

No. Most generations blame the one after. This is the first that I can think of that has had such a bunch of incompetent, self-interested and greedy predecessors.
 
2011-01-01 11:15:51 AM  
Quantum Apostrophe:
But you comfortably put all men in the same basket, yes?


Uh no. Not at all. Why don't you go talk about atoms or something?
 
2011-01-01 11:16:14 AM  
fulltext
Boomers Hit New Self-Absorption Milestone: Age 65
By DAN BARRY

In keeping with a generation's fascination with itself, the time has come to note the passing of another milestone: On New Year's Day, the oldest members of the Baby Boom Generation will turn 65, the age once linked to retirement, early bird specials and gray Velcro shoes that go with everything.

Though other generations, from the Greatest to the Millennial, may mutter that it's time to get over yourselves, this birthday actually matters. According to the Pew Research Center, for the next 19 years, about 10,000 people "will cross that threshold" every day - and many of them, whether through exercise or Botox, have no intention of ceding to others what they consider rightfully theirs: youth.

This means that the 79 million baby boomers, about 26 percent of this country's population, will be redefining what it means to be older, and placing greater demands on the social safety net. They are living longer, working longer and, researchers say, nursing some disappointment about how their lives have turned out. The self-aware, or self-absorbed, feel less self-fulfilled, and thus are racked with self-pity.

So, then, to those who once never trusted anyone over 30: Raise that bowl of high-fiber granola, antioxidant-rich blueberries and skim milk and give yourself a Happy Birthday toast.

"The stork's 1946 diaper derby left a controversy today that rocked the cradles from coast to coast," The Associated Press reported 65 years ago. "The maternal question of the moment was: Who was the first baby born in the new year?"

The wire service named several contenders, from a newborn girl named Darleen in Los Angeles to a baby boy named James in St. Louis - to the infant identified only as "the son of Mr. and Mrs. Aloysius Nachreiner, of Buffalo." Readers of that news item could not help wondering:

What is to come of this son of Buffalo? Who will he be?

The Nachreiner boy, along with these other bundles of innocence, were the very first of what has come to be known, rather graphically, as the "pig in the python." After the travails and absences of the Depression and World War II flattened the birthrate, the promise and prosperity of the postwar years created a sharp rise in births that lasted from 1946 until 1964, when the popularity of birth control pills helped stem the tide.

Ascribing personality traits to a bloc of 79 million people is a fool's endeavor. For one thing, people born in 1964 wouldn't know the once-ubiquitous television hero Sky King if he landed his trusty Songbird on their front lawns, just as people born in 1946 wouldn't quite know what to make of one of Sky King's successors, the big-headed H. R. Pufnstuf.

For another, the never-ending celebration of the hippie contingent of boomers tends to overshadow the Young Americans for Freedom contingent. After all, while some boomers were trying to "levitate" the Pentagon to protest the Vietnam War, other boomers were fighting in that war.

Steven M. Gillon, the author of "Boomer Nation: The Largest and Richest Generation Ever and How It Changed America" (Simon & Shuster, 2004), warns against generalizing about baby boomers, especially when it concerns politics. Still, he says, the boomer generation, of which he is a member, clearly changed our world. Here's a simple generalization - that is, explanation - of how:

Previous generations were raised to speak only when spoken to, and to endure in self-denying silence. But baby boomers were raised on the more nurturing, child-as-individual teachings of Dr. Benjamin Spock, and then placed under the spell of television, whose advertisers marketed their wares directly to children. Parents were cut out of the sale - except, of course, for the actual purchase of that coonskin cap or Barbie doll.

"It created a sense of entitlement that had not existed before," Mr. Gillon said. "We became more concerned with our own emotional well-being, whereas to older generations that was considered soft and fluffy."

The boomers may not have created rock 'n' roll, but they certainly capitalized on its potential to revolt against parents. And they may not have led the civil rights movement, but they embraced it - at least, many of them did - and applied its principles to fighting for the rights of women and gay men and lesbians. They came to expect, even demand, freedom of choice; options in life.

"But the pig has moved through the python, and is moving to the final stage," Mr. Gillon said. "And we won't describe what that stage is."

Here is an attempt: retirement, old age, then a release to a place where the celestial Muzak plays a never-ending loop of the Doobie Brothers.

About 13 percent of the population today is 65 or older; by 2030, when the last of the baby boomers are 65, that rate will have grown to 18 percent. In addition to testing the sustainability of entitlement programs like Social Security, this wholesale redefinition of old age may also include a pervading sense that life has been what might technically be called a "bummer."

A study by two sociologists, Julie Phillips of Rutgers University and Ellen Idler of Emory University, indicates that the suicide rate for middle-aged people, notably baby boomers without college degrees, rose from 1999 to 2005. And Paul Taylor, the executive vice president of the Pew Center, summed up a recent survey of his generation this way:

"We're pretty glum."

This gloominess appears to be linked to the struggling economy, the demands of middle age and a general sense of lofty goals not met by the generation that once sang of teaching the world to sing in perfect harmony, and then buying it a Coke.

No one person can represent all 79 million members of a generation. But perhaps one person can remind us of the small epiphanies and private pains that define all generations.

Remember the son of Mr. and Mrs. Aloysius Nachreiner, the first baby born in Buffalo in 1946, thus making him one of the country's first baby boomers? Well, his parents named him Aloysius, too - though he was often called Butch.

His father was a bagger at a feed mill; his mother raised their three children in the first floor of a rented duplex. When he was 5 years old, he was blinded in his left eye during a snowball fight with his friend Billy. He liked watching Roy Rogers and Howdy Doody on the family's round, black-and-white television, and rooted hard for Mickey Mantle.

Al, or Butch, graduated from a vocational school with plans to become an auto mechanic, but that never happened. He wound up making his career as a setup man and press operator for a folding box company.

He married an older woman named Alice, a widow with seven children who loved Elvis Presley. They had two daughters, but one died of crib death. They bought a house in a Buffalo neighborhood nicknamed Iron Island because it was surrounded by railroad tracks.

He played fast-pitch softball for many years, pitching for who knows how many bars and taverns, but gave it up a few years ago because his knees would hurt for days after a game.

Two years ago, two days after their 40th wedding anniversary, his Alice died, after a long struggle with Alzheimer's disease. She left him with two dozen grandchildren and a half-dozen or so great-grandchildren. "As long as they all don't come over at once, it's all right," he says, laughing.

Mr. Nachreiner still works, making boxes from 7 a.m. to 3:30 p.m., five days a week. In his free time, he roots for the hapless Buffalo Bills, uses his computer - "though I'm not very good at it" - and, when not visiting family, relaxes at home with his Jack Russell terrier, Trixie, where a portrait of Elvis hangs on the wall.

He does not devote much time to pondering the traits of his generation, or his status as an early baby boomer, or even the fact that come New Year's Day he will turn 65. What he says of it all is what all those baby boomers behind him hope to say one day:

"I made it."

Jack Begg contributed research.
 
2011-01-01 11:17:24 AM  
cynicalbastard: Seriously, I'm in the same bracket. And this grouping is retarded, as you say.

Not every boomer acts the same, and the ones who didn't experience the flower children crap of the 60's will, by nature, be of a slightly different culture.

However, having said that, the baby-boomers/the worst generation have set records in narcissism and there are cultural traits which span a generation. Just as "everybody" wants to get a bean-bag chair when they were in style, "everybody" in that generation followed the lead of betraying a bunch of false values, worshiping greed, incurring massive debts, sacrificing community and being narcissistic.
 
2011-01-01 11:17:38 AM  
cynicalbastard: cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.

THIS.
Seriously, I'm in the same bracket. And this grouping is retarded, as you say. Furthermore, in the late '60's for every boomer getting stoned in college, experimenting with communal living, growing magic 'shrooms, trying to freak out their parents, there were about a hundred if not more who couldn't afford college or could at best afford auto repair, machinist or photography courses at community college, were just hoping to try and get a decent job, and might have toked up a few times at parties but would no more shoot something into their veins than they would jump into a cesspool for thrills. The only thing they might have shared with the former group was possibly a liking for the Beatles or Rolling Stones.
And us folks born 1960 or later have next to nothing in common with the first boomers, as you say. Our scene wasn't peace and love- our scene was Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson.


And the sex pistols and the Ramones... and Abba - scratch that one.
 
2011-01-01 11:18:53 AM  
It is a great milestone. It means that soon we will have a world without Boomers aka The Wost Generation.

Here's a song you might remember: Na na na na, hey hey, goodbye
 
2011-01-01 11:19:13 AM  
Walker: It's asking me to log in. I thought registration links were banned?

You don't have to register to view the article.
 
2011-01-01 11:19:23 AM  
BokerBill: So of course the "greatest generation", who really were in charge at the time, get off without any blame or rebuke, and get to retire at age 60 on Social Security paid for by their selfish children.

So blame away, youngsters. But know that time will come when everything is YOUR fault.


Mark another worst-generationer down for a "waah."
 
2011-01-01 11:19:23 AM  
Rozinante: cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.

Typical boomer, it's all me, me, me.


To be fair, there were several "I"s in there too.
 
2011-01-01 11:21:28 AM  
riverwalk barfly:
And the sex pistols and the Ramones... and Abba - scratch that one.

It's alright to admit to liking the odd ABBA tune...just don't do it too often. That's an admission you can hear that ol'Grim Reaper whistling as he heads up your street with a cholesterol-lined invite.
/Can you hear the drums, Fernando?
 
2011-01-01 11:23:46 AM  
Person: It is a great milestone. It means that soon we will have a world without Boomers aka The Wost Generation.

Here's a song you might remember: Na na na na, hey hey, goodbye


It will also be good to see "The Great White Republican Die-Off."
 
2011-01-01 11:27:01 AM  
cynicalbastard: And this grouping is retarded, as you say.

Except it describes a trend of increasingly conservative, older voters who want to dismantle the very system that helped them when they were younger. My parents fit that description exactly- public educated, who now want to defund all public schools, ran a small business and were able to afford health care, now take advantage of Medicare as they turn 65 and refuse to help current small business owners (like their son) with health care reform of any kind, etc, etc.

They build up a story of how they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, all while taking advantage of all manner of government programs and investments.
 
2011-01-01 11:27:23 AM  
bigdavediode: BokerBill: So of course the "greatest generation", who really were in charge at the time, get off without any blame or rebuke, and get to retire at age 60 on Social Security paid for by their selfish children.

So blame away, youngsters. But know that time will come when everything is YOUR fault.

Mark another worst-generationer down for a "waah."


Get off my lawn.
Worst Generation, eh? I remember kids in the Sixties calling their parents names like that. Your turn will come.
 
2011-01-01 11:29:36 AM  
Savoir-Faire: Saved from someone who posted it long ago:

"....that labour spent the first half of the nineteenth century learning the rules of the capitalist game and the second half applying them, then the first half of the twentieth century saw the apparently irresistible triumph of labour, and the second half its eclipse and fall - or almost."
--Eric Hobsbawm


60 years ago an entire generation of working class men returned from the most traumatizing conflict in human history and practically demanded a better life for themselves and their children. They felt they had earned it. The political and economic nerves of our society could not agree more. This generation, they felt, which had endured nothing but turmoil, hardship, poverty, economic ruin and the horrors of mass-mechanized war, had deserved to live the rest of their lives in comfort and stability.

So the war generation moved to the peace and quiet of suburban housing divisions around the cities. Everything the war generation asked for, they got. They wanted nothing like the Great Depression to ever happen again. An international system called the Bretton Woods was set up to safeguard this. They wanted affordable housing. They got it. They wanted stable incomes, with stable companies that valued their position, their work and their contribution. They got it. They even wanted their children to be smarter and better educated than they were--they wanted to send them all to college. From a generation where most did not have much beyond a grade 8 education, this was unheard of. Yet they got it. Most of the Universities, in fact, were brand new at the time, and needed to fill their halls with students. They would take anyone who applied.

All the concessions delivered to the average joe gave strength to a burgeoning new population demographic: the middle class.

The children of the middle class--the boomers--ended up becoming the whiniest, most spoiled, most self-absorbed generation on the face of the earth, because they grew up in this post-war period where everything was literally given to them on a silver platter. Life, they were constantly told, was going to be different. It was going to be better from then on. And they were the chosen generation, growing up with this sense of entitlement.

Most economists pinpoint the exact year when things began to change to be 1973--also known as the year when the middle class was the largest, and had the most power. Many things happened that year all at once that shook world economies and society in general, which had been relatively firm and stable since the Second World War, including:

1) The dissolution of the Bretton Woods financial contract
2) The removal of the Gold Standard in the World Bank (actually 1971)
3) OPEC flexes its muscle
4) The number of union workers reached its peak, and has been steadily declining ever since
5) Women's Liberation Movement was at its height. Title IX enacted (actually 1972)
6) Leo Strauss died

A lot of these things actually freed up corporations and made global trade more laissez-faire, which is what they wanted. The war generation desired world economic policy that deliberately prevented Depressions, so it was relatively benign, safe, and steady (and crash-proof)....forever moving slowly forward, with everyone on board. Like a bus. But 1973 is heralded as the year that Boomers suddenly started moving into positions in power en masse, and a revolution in economic thinking occurred: to them, global markets should move faster and quicker, like a race car.

Economic inertia is akin to a big hulking ocean liner, not a speedboat. Just as a big boat takes several miles and hours to turn on the high seas, when a gigantic change is made, it often takes years to manifest. Such it was that the world-sweeping policies in 1973 really started coming into play in the 80s, where it started behaving exactly like it was up until the 30s: big gains, but also big lows. Dow jumping and falling hundreds of points all the time (something that wasn't really a regular occurance until Reagan took of ...


Thanks for re-posting that. And a thanks goes to the original poster also.
 
2011-01-01 11:32:11 AM  
BokerBill: Worst Generation, eh? I remember kids in the Sixties calling their parents names like that. Your turn will come.

Some did call their parents, the greatest generation, that. There is, however, a difference between being angry and rebelling against your parents and being disgusted with the behavior, narcissism and greed of a generation.

Look at how ALL subsequent generations feel about the greatest generation -- pretty good, in general. Now look at how ALL subsequent generations look at the baby boomers -- almost universally negative.
 
2011-01-01 11:34:41 AM  
bigdavediode: cynicalbastard: Seriously, I'm in the same bracket. And this grouping is retarded, as you say.

Not every boomer acts the same, and the ones who didn't experience the flower children crap of the 60's will, by nature, be of a slightly different culture.

However, having said that, the baby-boomers/the worst generation have set records in narcissism and there are cultural traits which span a generation. Just as "everybody" wants to get a bean-bag chair when they were in style, "everybody" in that generation followed the lead of betraying a bunch of false values, worshiping greed, incurring massive debts, sacrificing community and being narcissistic.


Not "everybody." Just the ones with education and airs. The shot-and-a-beer boomers, the ones who voted for cowboy conservatives and raised their children with the flat of the hand instead of books, they never abandoned those ideals of community and never even learned to spell "narcissism."

Too bad they're all dumb as a bag of shiat, or they might actually have made a difference and kept those community ideals alive. Because those ideals have been stretched and tailored to fit so many cynical fat cat political agendas - helloooooo teabaggers? - that they are now well and truly farked.
 
2011-01-01 11:38:41 AM  
Bagelox-99: Not "everybody." Just the ones with education and airs. The shot-and-a-beer boomers, the ones who voted for cowboy conservatives and raised their children with the flat of the hand instead of books, they never abandoned those ideals of community and never even learned to spell "narcissism."

Many of those "cowboy conservatives" and offensively social conservatives ("a government finger in every vagina!") started out as hippie-flower-children and decided to "reform" and become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

They started extreme and decided to drift to the other extreme of Greed, God and Guns. But they stayed extreme.

It will be a better planet when they're gone.
 
2011-01-01 11:45:08 AM  
Don't trust a website that forces you to turn on java and register.
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2011-01-01 11:45:21 AM  
Quantum Apostrophe: cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.

But you comfortably put all men in the same basket, yes?

All
women do that.
 
2011-01-01 11:45:35 AM  
bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."
 
2011-01-01 11:46:39 AM  
Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."


"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."
 
2011-01-01 11:48:51 AM  
Savoir-Faire: Saved from someone who posted it long ago:

I'm bookmarking this thread just for that post. Although I'm not sure it was the boomers, but that odd generation that grew up in the 40's and 50's that was just too young to serve in WWII and too old to serve in Vietnam that made those changes.
 
2011-01-01 11:50:06 AM  
Lord Farkwad: Don't trust a website that forces you to turn on java and register.

You shouldn't share your login info like that. (It's visible in the image!)
 
2011-01-01 11:51:08 AM  
bigdavediode: Person: It is a great milestone. It means that soon we will have a world without Boomers aka The Wost Generation.

Here's a song you might remember: Na na na na, hey hey, goodbye

It will also be good to see "The Great White Republican Die-Off."


Wow. People who don't agree with you should die, huh? Good thing you are not one of those "me, me, me" boomer types.
 
2011-01-01 11:51:37 AM  
UNC_Samurai: I'm bookmarking this thread just for that post. Although I'm not sure it was the boomers, but that odd generation that grew up in the 40's and 50's that was just too young to serve in WWII and too old to serve in Vietnam that made those changes.

Just do a Google search for "worst generation" and you'll find lots.
 
2011-01-01 11:52:35 AM  
Ronin FF: Wow. People who don't agree with you should die, huh? Good thing you are not one of those "me, me, me" boomer types.

"Should" die? No, more like WILL die, and soon. And it will be good to see the Republican Party of Elderly White People be decimated.
 
2011-01-01 11:54:07 AM  
bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."


"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."
 
2011-01-01 11:57:50 AM  
SapperInTexas: bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."

"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."


"IF you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."
 
2011-01-01 11:59:40 AM  
Savoir-Faire: SapperInTexas: bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."

"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."

"IF you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."


"If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."
 
2011-01-01 11:59:50 AM  
Ronin FF: All women do that.

Well played.
 
2011-01-01 12:03:42 PM  
Heh. I just got a "happy 72nd birthday" message from Fark. Forgot I'd done that. Thank jeebus I'm nowhere near that old, that would really suck.
 
2011-01-01 12:04:15 PM  
Can't trust anyone from here on out.
 
2011-01-01 12:09:29 PM  
Bacontastesgood: Heh. I just got a "happy 72nd birthday" message from Fark. Forgot I'd done that. Thank jeebus I'm nowhere near that old, that would really suck.

The alternative to getting that old sucks harder.
 
2011-01-01 12:10:26 PM  
bigdavediode: Savoir-Faire: SapperInTexas: bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."

"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."

"IF you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."

"If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."


'Cause that's what it's all about!
 
2011-01-01 12:13:37 PM  
bigdavediode: Ronin FF: Wow. People who don't agree with you should die, huh? Good thing you are not one of those "me, me, me" boomer types.

"Should" die? No, more like WILL die, and soon. And it will be good to see the Republican Party of Elderly White People be decimated.


That's a pretty reasonable reaction.
 
2011-01-01 12:15:23 PM  
"If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."

Can't even get that right.
 
2011-01-01 12:18:39 PM  
The only way that boomers could possibly help this country during their entire existence is if every one of them committed seppuku before we go bankrupt paying for their viagra.
 
2011-01-01 12:18:58 PM  
wutchamacallem: "If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."

Can't even get that right.


Dammit! Figures that I'd run into a hokey-pokey expert on the Internet. Which leg is first? Where do I put it? What do I do next?
 
2011-01-01 12:20:12 PM  
Ronin FF: "Should" die? No, more like WILL die, and soon. And it will be good to see the Republican Party of Elderly White People be decimated.

That's a pretty reasonable reaction.


Hug?
 
2011-01-01 12:20:53 PM  
About people freaking out about Social Security: People are living longer. How on earth is this a BAD thing? Of course this means people will be working longer, and living their normal pre-retirement-home lives longer.

In 1900 the average life expectancy was 47. People back then would think it was odd to work until the age of 65. Today's children should expect to work till at least 80-90. The average quality of life as well as the length of life today is much longer. So there's really no reason to complain on the whole.
 
2011-01-01 12:25:14 PM  
Penman: In 1900 the average life expectancy was 47. People back then would think it was odd to work until the age of 65. Today's children should expect to work till at least 80-90.

So much fail in your post, and so much troll.

1) SS wasn't introduced in 1900

2) Average life expectancy AT BIRTH is not relevant to any discussion

3) Nobody felt it was odd to work until the age of 65 when SS was introduced

4) I can't wait to order a burger from a 90 year old. Is drool a special sauce?
 
2011-01-01 12:25:20 PM  
"But the pig has moved through the python, and is moving to the final stage," Mr. Gillon said. "And we won't describe what that stage is."

Oh, crap.
 
2011-01-01 12:25:41 PM  
bigdavediode: Ronin FF: "Should" die? No, more like WILL die, and soon. And it will be good to see the Republican Party of Elderly White People be decimated.

That's a pretty reasonable reaction.

Hug?


Go hug a stovepipe.
 
2011-01-01 12:26:19 PM  
msannomalley: bigdavediode: Savoir-Faire: SapperInTexas: bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."

"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."

"IF you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."

"If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."

'Cause that's what it's all about!


I laughed.
 
2011-01-01 12:28:39 PM  
Ronin FF: That's a pretty reasonable reaction.

Hug?

Go hug a stovepipe.


Look, just because baby-boomers have utterly failed as a generation and are universally despised does not mean that every single person in that generation suffers from the gross generalized character flaws. You could be an exception -- a very nice, non-self-interested person who believes in community, for example.
 
2011-01-01 12:34:03 PM  
bigdavediode: Ronin FF: That's a pretty reasonable reaction.

Hug?

Go hug a stovepipe.

Look, just because baby-boomers have utterly failed as a generation and are universally despised does not mean that every single person in that generation suffers from the gross generalized character flaws. You could be an exception -- a very nice, non-self-interested person who believes in community, for example.


And just because you say it with conviction it should mean something to me?
 
2011-01-01 12:38:11 PM  
Ronin FF: And just because you say it with conviction it should mean something to me?

Hmmm... or not.
 
2011-01-01 12:39:39 PM  
bigdavediode: Look, just because baby-boomers have utterly failed as a generation and are universally despised does not mean that every single person in that generation suffers from the gross generalized character flaws. You could be an exception -- a very nice, non-self-interested person who believes in community, for example.

You sound like a Millennial; a fat, lazy, underachieving gamer who, by your own admission, lives in your mother's living room.

Here are a couple of handy phrases for you...

"Would you like fries with that, sir?"

"Pizza delivery!" (Announce this real loud as you approach the front door, so the dirtbags inside don't shoot your ass thinking it's a no-knock warrant.)

...and, from my era:

"Clean your windshield and check the oil for you, sir?"
 
2011-01-01 12:42:41 PM  
Over 70? The FOX News demographic. Don't trust them is right.
 
2011-01-01 12:42:44 PM  
jimmyego: Walker: It's asking me to log in. I thought registration links were banned?

You don't have to register to view the article.


O RLY?

For you maybe, but there is no way for me to read the article without registering. Here is what I see when I click the link:

img.photobucket.com

Tell me what to click on there to read the article without registering?
 
2011-01-01 12:45:11 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: You sound like a Millennial; a fat, lazy, underachieving gamer who, by your own admission, lives in your mother's living room.

Here are a couple of handy phrases for you...


Look, you can't insult everybody who despises the baby boomer/worst generation, you'll be long dead first. There's just too much antipathy towards that generation, and for good reason.
 
2011-01-01 12:45:53 PM  
Walker: Tell me what to click on there to read the article without registering?

You could scroll up.
 
2011-01-01 12:47:11 PM  
Walker: jimmyego: Walker: It's asking me to log in. I thought registration links were banned?

You don't have to register to view the article.

O RLY?

For you maybe, but there is no way for me to read the article without registering. Here is what I see when I click the link:



Tell me what to click on there to read the article without registering?


Try this then.
 
2011-01-01 12:49:16 PM  
What's with all the Alex Keaton mini-me's in this thread? Aren't hung over because you didn't have dates last night?
 
2011-01-01 12:51:11 PM  
Walker:

Save yourself the time. The article in summation:

Basically Boomers are redefining what it means to be decrepit. And unlike the last thing they redefined, this one actually means something.

While some boomers are feeling unsatisfied with themselves, what with destroying the future for the next two generations at least, but you can rest assured that they're still totally self-interested and can't wait until the day comes when every boomer reaches the age of 65 and they can say "I made it."

That it is that they actually made is not stated in the article.
 
2011-01-01 12:51:27 PM  
bigdavediode: Look, you can't insult everybody who despises the baby boomer/worst generation, you'll be long dead first. There's just too much antipathy towards that generation, and for good reason.

Thank you for proving my point. Now, please reread your post carefully, then look up the definition of "irony".
 
2011-01-01 12:53:10 PM  
Savoir-Faire: Most economists pinpoint the exact year when things began to change to be 1973--also known as the year when the middle class was the largest, and had the most power. Many things happened that year all at once that shook world economies and society in general, which had been relatively firm and stable since the Second World War, including:

1) The dissolution of the Bretton Woods financial contract
2) The removal of the Gold Standard in the World Bank (actually 1971)
3) OPEC flexes its muscle
4) The number of union workers reached its peak, and has been steadily declining ever since
5) Women's Liberation Movement was at its height. Title IX enacted (actually 1972)
6) Leo Strauss died


Shhhhhhh.. Don't tell the FoxNews crowd.
 
2011-01-01 12:58:05 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: bigdavediode: Look, you can't insult everybody who despises the baby boomer/worst generation, you'll be long dead first. There's just too much antipathy towards that generation, and for good reason.

Thank you for proving my point. Now, please reread your post carefully, then look up the definition of "irony".


Ah, I see -- you feel that the antipathy towards the baby boomers is just sour grapes and insults.

Sorry, but it's not. Would you like me to Google an editorial or two to explain why? Here, I'll just pick the first one I find about the "worst generation:"

"If they were animals, they'd be a plague of locusts, devouring everything in their path and leaving but a wasteland. If they were plants, they'd be kudzu, choking off ever other living thing with their sheer mass. If they were artists, they'd be abstract expressionists, interested only in the emotions of that moment -- not in the lasting result of the creative process. If they were a baseball club, they'd be the Florida Marlins: prefab prima donnas who bought their way to prominence, then disbanded -- a temporary association but not a team.

"Of course, it is as unfair to demonize an entire generation as it is to characterize an entire gender or race or religion. And I don't literally mean that everyone born between 1946 and 1964 is a selfish pig. But generations can have a unique character that defines them, especially if they are the elites of a generation -- those lucky few who are blessed with the money or brains or looks or skills or education that typifies an era. Whether is was Fitzgerald and Hemingway defining the Lost Generation of World War I and the Roaring Twenties, or JFK and the other heroes of the World War II generation, or the high-tech whiz kids of the post-Boomer generation, certain archetypes define certain times.

"You know who you are. If you grew your hair and burned your draft card on campus during the Sixties; if you toked, screwed, and boogied your way through the Seventies; if you voted for Reagan and believed "Greed is good" in the Eighties; and if you're trying to make up for it now by nesting as you cluck about the collapse of "family values," you're it. If not, even if demographers call you a Boomer, you probably hate our generation's elite as much as I do.
 
SH
2011-01-01 01:04:38 PM  
Savoir-Faire: INSERT REAGANOMICS HERE. The 80s is when people started noticing that the middle class was shrinking, unions were evaporating and corporations were making more money than ever. Because the new school of boomer companies realized that the true secret to riches wasn't steady, productive growth like their parents corporations of the 50s and 60s, but rapid, massive growth very quickly. The way to do this, of course, is via venture capital and the stock market. But it wasn't foolproof. The Savings & Loan scandal, the crash of 87, and the cutthroat acquisition, merging and selling of companies popularized in films like Wall Street highlighted the decade's economic excess. A lot of people at the top made a lot of money really quickly, but as any economics 101 student can tell you, that means a lot more people at the bottom lost a lot of money as well.


Added my own thought in bold.

Very nice post to whoever originally posted it.
 
2011-01-01 01:05:49 PM  
bigdavediode: "You know who you are. If you grew your hair and burned your draft card on campus during the Sixties; if you toked, screwed, and boogied your way through the Seventies; if you voted for Reagan and believed "Greed is good" in the Eighties; and if you're trying to make up for it now by nesting as you cluck about the collapse of "family values," you're it. If not, even if demographers call you a Boomer, you probably hate our generation's elite as much as I do.

So it's OK now to blame certain cultures/groups for the ills of society? I thought liberals were against that sort of thing.
 
2011-01-01 01:08:15 PM  
I'm sorry, I love some baby boomers individually, but as a baby buster, the first generation with more education than their parents and a smaller paycheck, I want them (and the 'family values' that they didn't have back when they had families) to DIAF.
 
2011-01-01 01:09:14 PM  
bigdavediode: StoneColdAtheist: bigdavediode: Look, you can't insult everybody who despises the baby boomer/worst generation, you'll be long dead first. There's just too much antipathy towards that generation, and for good reason.

Thank you for proving my point. Now, please reread your post carefully, then look up the definition of "irony".

Ah, I see -- you feel that the antipathy towards the baby boomers is just sour grapes and insults.

Sorry, but it's not. Would you like me to Google an editorial or two to explain why? Here, I'll just pick the first one I find about the "worst generation:"

"If they were animals, they'd be a plague of locusts, devouring everything in their path and leaving but a wasteland. If they were plants, they'd be kudzu, choking off ever other living thing with their sheer mass. If they were artists, they'd be abstract expressionists, interested only in the emotions of that moment -- not in the lasting result of the creative process. If they were a baseball club, they'd be the Florida Marlins: prefab prima donnas who bought their way to prominence, then disbanded -- a temporary association but not a team.

"Of course, it is as unfair to demonize an entire generation as it is to characterize an entire gender or race or religion. And I don't literally mean that everyone born between 1946 and 1964 is a selfish pig. But generations can have a unique character that defines them, especially if they are the elites of a generation -- those lucky few who are blessed with the money or brains or looks or skills or education that typifies an era. Whether is was Fitzgerald and Hemingway defining the Lost Generation of World War I and the Roaring Twenties, or JFK and the other heroes of the World War II generation, or the high-tech whiz kids of the post-Boomer generation, certain archetypes define certain times.

"You know who you are. If you grew your hair and burned your draft card on campus during the Sixties; if you toked, screwed, and boogied your way through the Seventies; if you voted for Reagan and believed "Greed is good" in the Eighties; and if you're trying to make up for it now by nesting as you cluck about the collapse of "family values," you're it. If not, even if demographers call you a Boomer, you probably hate our generation's elite as much as I do.


wow. how does that anger and generalizing taste?
 
2011-01-01 01:10:58 PM  
Penman: bigdavediode: "You know who you are. If you grew your hair and burned your draft card on campus during the Sixties; if you toked, screwed, and boogied your way through the Seventies; if you voted for Reagan and believed "Greed is good" in the Eighties; and if you're trying to make up for it now by nesting as you cluck about the collapse of "family values," you're it. If not, even if demographers call you a Boomer, you probably hate our generation's elite as much as I do.

So it's OK now to blame certain cultures/groups for the ills of society? I thought liberals were against that sort of thing.


I have no idea what "the liberals" are against. I do know that Republicans use labels to avoid thinking.
 
2011-01-01 01:16:30 PM  
riverwalk barfly: wow. how does that anger and generalizing taste?

Well it is generalizing, of course. And there is a lot of anger in other generations towards baby boomers. But having said that, it's really just an accurate recollection of the historical failure of the worst generation. Take that editorial that I just posted - it goes on to say:

"Let's start with the Sixties, the Boomers' dilettante ball. While a few courageous people like John Lewis and the Freedom Riders risked their lives -- and others like Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner gave theirs -- the civil-rights movement was led by pre-Boomers like Martin Luther King Jr. (who would be 71 if he were alive today) and continued without strong support from the Boomers on college campuses.

"Still, I must say this: If you were one of those young people who did risk their lives to fight racism in the Sixties, who put their bodies on the line to register voters, who marched and sang and taught and preached against segregation, you stand as the best refutation of my anti-Boomer tirade. In that one moment of conscience and courage, you did more with your life than I've done in all the moments of mine. In a generation of selfish pigs, you were saints.

"But the reality is that most campuses did not become hotbeds of unrest until the Boomers' precious butts were at risk as the Vietnam War escalated.
 
2011-01-01 01:17:18 PM  
StoneColdAtheist:

You sound like a Millennial; a fat, lazy, underachieving gamer who, by your own admission, lives in your mother's living room.

Here are a couple of handy phrases for you...

"Would you like fries with that, sir?"

"Pizza delivery!" (Announce this real loud as you approach the front door, so the dirtbags inside don't shoot your ass thinking it's a no-knock warrant.)

...and, from my era:

"Clean your windshield and check the oil for you, sir?"


Your articulate arguments are clearly causing others to rethink their opinions of your generation.
 
2011-01-01 01:18:52 PM  
So let's have a little count here -- of the baby boomers posting, how many of you marched for civil rights, fought racism, registered voters BEFORE the Vietnam war put your butts on the line? And how many of you refused to embrace the "greed is good" mantra just two decades later?

Hands? Nobody? None of you? Huh.
 
2011-01-01 01:19:18 PM  
Aloysius Nachreiner, born on Jan. 1, 1946, has spent his life in Buffalo and made his career at a folding box company.

...oh my god, that was the most boring sentence I have EVER READ.
 
2011-01-01 01:19:37 PM  
low_dazzle: this country will look radically different in 10-20 years when they all die off.

can't wait


Dream on, loser boy. You're using life expectancy at birth. By the time you reach 65, your chances of hitting 90 or 100 are improved. There's a good chance the last of the Baby Boomers will be IMMORTAL.

But hey, we're a caretaker generation, so we'll look after you and your great-great-great grandchildren. You will never lack for cool cartoons from the 1960s and great B&W movies.
 
2011-01-01 01:20:23 PM  
bigdavediode: StoneColdAtheist: Thank you for proving my point. Now, please reread your post carefully, then look up the definition of "irony".

Ah, I see -- you feel that the antipathy towards the baby boomers is just sour grapes and insults.


No, I think that people who paint with broad strokes should not get all butt-hurt when that same tactic is used against them. And in your case, I can see the butt-hurt from clear over here.
 
2011-01-01 01:23:40 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: No, I think that people who paint with broad strokes should not get all butt-hurt when that same tactic is used against them. And in your case, I can see the butt-hurt from clear over here.

Alright. If it makes you feel better to think that people are just throwing sour grapes your way rather than pointing out painful historical facts about the baby boomers, have at it.
 
2011-01-01 01:27:33 PM  
bigdavediode: riverwalk barfly: wow. how does that anger and generalizing taste?

Well it is generalizing, of course. And there is a lot of anger in other generations towards baby boomers. But having said that, it's really just an accurate recollection of the historical failure of the worst generation. Take that editorial that I just posted - it goes on to say:

"Let's start with the Sixties, the Boomers' dilettante ball. While a few courageous people like John Lewis and the Freedom Riders risked their lives -- and others like Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner gave theirs -- the civil-rights movement was led by pre-Boomers like Martin Luther King Jr. (who would be 71 if he were alive today) and continued without strong support from the Boomers on college campuses.

"Still, I must say this: If you were one of those young people who did risk their lives to fight racism in the Sixties, who put their bodies on the line to register voters, who marched and sang and taught and preached against segregation, you stand as the best refutation of my anti-Boomer tirade. In that one moment of conscience and courage, you did more with your life than I've done in all the moments of mine. In a generation of selfish pigs, you were saints.

"But the reality is that most campuses did not become hotbeds of unrest until the Boomers' precious butts were at risk as the Vietnam War escalated.


bigdavediode: riverwalk barfly: wow. how does that anger and generalizing taste?

Well it is generalizing, of course. And there is a lot of anger in other generations towards baby boomers. But having said that, it's really just an accurate recollection of the historical failure of the worst generation. Take that editorial that I just posted - it goes on to say:

"Let's start with the Sixties, the Boomers' dilettante ball. While a few courageous people like John Lewis and the Freedom Riders risked their lives -- and others like Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner gave theirs -- the civil-rights movement was led by pre-Boomers like Martin Luther King Jr. (who would be 71 if he were alive today) and continued without strong support from the Boomers on college campuses.

not being snarky. I'm a baby boomer by two days. I really don't get the anger at Baby boomers. My mother worked her ass off and saved for retirementI I'm not sure that she is even collecting her "earned" social security yet.

/work hard
//play hard

"Still, I must say this: If you were one of those young people who did risk their lives to fight racism in the Sixties, who put their bodies on the line to register voters, who marched and sang and taught and preached against segregation, you stand as the best refutation of my anti-Boomer tirade. In that one moment of conscience and courage, you did more with your life than I've done in all the moments of mine. In a generation of selfish pigs, you were saints.

"But the reality is that most campuses did not become hotbeds of unrest until the Boomers' precious butts were at risk as the Vietnam War escalated.


not being snarky. I'm a baby boomer by two days. I really don't get the anger at Baby boomers. My mother worked her ass off and saved for retirementI I'm not sure that she is even collecting her "earned" social security yet.

/work hard
//play hard
 
2011-01-01 01:29:57 PM  
bad post.
 
2011-01-01 01:32:30 PM  
riverwalk barfly: not being snarky. I'm a baby boomer by two days. I really don't get the anger at Baby boomers. My mother worked her ass off and saved for retirementI I'm not sure that she is even collecting her "earned" social security yet.

If you weren't a teen or in your early twenties during the 60's, chances are you're not in the same baby-boomer culture as most baby boomers. Some run the baby-boom right through 1964, which is rather excessive given that it's a baby boom from WWII.

So you may have missed out on the narcissism and extremism.
 
2011-01-01 01:34:13 PM  
Just keep complaining, Bigdave. I'm sure blaming others for your failures in life will bring success and a sense of self-worth and accomplishment to your life.
 
2011-01-01 01:35:05 PM  
brantgoose: You will never lack for cool cartoons from the 1960s and great B&W movies.

I'm pretty sure the best cartoons were from the 40's and 50's (Bugs Bunny, as an example.) The baby boomers gave us the three-frames-per-second "Rocket Robin Hood."
 
2011-01-01 01:37:21 PM  
Canadian males born in 1891 had a mean survival of 49 years. They had a median survival of 62 years (half of them lived to 1953). Any Canadian male who made it to age 49, however, would be likely to live past age 49. In other words, if you were age 49 in the year 1940, there was a chance you would have qualified for the old age pension in 1956.

This explains why there were old people alive when the life expectancy at birth was half of what it is today. One, a lot of people life beyond their life expectancy at birth, and two, medical science and economic growth have kept adding to the life expectancies at ages other than birth for the last couple of centuries more or less, barring wars, famines, pestilences, etc.

First site I grabbed data from: http://www.enotes.com/public-health-encyclopedia/life-expectancy-life-tables
 
2011-01-01 01:40:55 PM  
Lord Farkwad: Don't trust a website that forces you to turn on java and register.

Whoever, whomever, keeps submitting these articles requiring registration should DIAF!

It's f*cking annoying.

/hungover gemini
 
2011-01-01 01:46:16 PM  
bigdavediode
The baby boomers gave us the three-frames-per-second "Rocket Robin Hood."

Wrong, darling. Ralph Bakshi, the writer and director of "Rocket Robin Hood" was born in 1938. Try again.
 
2011-01-01 01:51:51 PM  
Walker: It's asking me to log in. I thought registration links were banned?

This is the New York Times. "It's a big F@5king deal!" as Joe Biden would say. Maybe it's grandfathered?

It didn't ask me to log in for some reason or other. Perhaps because I am in Canada, have a regestration, and haven't viewed a lot of NYT pages today or in the last couple of weeks. The Financial Times allows ten free views a month, I know. The NYT may be more or less generous.

But if it asks me to pay for high quality editorial and journalistic flap-doodle, screw it!

There's lots of other fish in the sea. Well, not really. But there were when I was a child. When I was a child, the oceans were teaming with fish and whales and birds. Now they're teaming with cheap plastic and Chinese super-freighters loaded ten or twelve high with container boxes full of more cheap plastic.

Fortunately, it isn't worth a Chinese Yuan to ship the containers back, so Americans will always have a box to sleep in. A very spacious and sturdy box, much better than a cardboard refrigerator box. Why ride the rails like a 1930s hobo when the boxes can come to you!
 
2011-01-01 02:03:28 PM  
Pick: Why all the hate for Baby Boomers? Why do all these Gen Xers and Yers think they are hot shait?

Yeah, I'm one of the them.


They sound just like their parents did at that age. It's so cute. It's a shame they have to grow up.

If you're not a major success by age 16-35, the previous generations blocking your path are a good excuse. I define major success as able to afford the lifestyle you expect because after years of hard work, debt and doing without out, your parents and grandparents could afford to provide it for you.

My parents are always tut-tutting about young people nowadays who expect it all from the word go: houses, cars, appliances, big money, power, influence. Those things my 1930s-born elders had to work hard for and got partly because the economy went into a very long growth spurt and partly because they made their money the old fashioned way.

It was their high taxes that paid for the schools for the Baby Boomers, the old folks homes for their parents, and the college educations and marriages and stuff for their children and their children's children.

And yet all the little whingers are at the "Age of Ingratitude" now and have no respect for them or all the additional goodies that the Baby Boomers fought for and won.

The last time there was a Baby Boom Whine thread, I pointed out that the fool journalist did not do much research: most of the examples of Evil Baby Boomers he selected were born well before 1946 and even in the 1920s in one or two cases.

Some of them were old enough to fight in WWII and were thus members of the GREATEST GENERATION(TM by Dan Rather).

If the author of the present article graduated in 1980, he must have been a late Boomer at least, and probably a mainstream pre-crash Boomer.

By the way, if you think it's no fun being in the shadow of the Boomers, try to imagine being born right behind the peak--no matter what party you try to crash, it peaked several years before you showed up and everybody has moved on to the next party, leaving nothing but bottles full of cigarettes and trashed rooms.
 
2011-01-01 02:04:34 PM  
Life is good. Life just keeps getting better and better. Thanks for all the fine whines, kids!
 
2011-01-01 02:12:06 PM  
Pick: Why all the hate for Baby Boomers? Why do all these Gen Xers and Yers think they are hot shait?

Yeah, I'm one of the them.


1: People hate old people, why?

A: Old people usually suck due to being bitter since they're about to die.

B: If they didn't leave the country in such a great state during their run, well obviously they're going to get the blame. Thanks boomers, why yes I would like to keep paying for social security even though I'll never see a cent of that back.

C: We Xers and Yers will certainly get our chance to fark things up, but meanwhile we have every right to blame boomers. If we're the way we are, its because you folks haven't exactly given us a rosy future to look forward to. Granted, its a viscous cycle in which one generation farks over the other over time. Still, boomers have been at the front of things and so most obviously people are going to hate on them.
 
2011-01-01 02:14:05 PM  
bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."


""As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."--Karl Rove on the difference between the Faith-based and the Fact-based communities
 
2011-01-01 02:30:15 PM  
bigdavediode: brantgoose: You will never lack for cool cartoons from the 1960s and great B&W movies.

I'm pretty sure the best cartoons were from the 40's and 50's (Bugs Bunny, as an example.) The baby boomers gave us the three-frames-per-second "Rocket Robin Hood."


Hey, I had to stick the 1960s in there somewhere. It's true the WB cartoons are great but there were some wonderful cartoons from the low animation era. I love Rocky & Bullwinkle, which ran from the late 50s into the 60s; Mr. Magoo (pre-McBarker); The Flintstones has its great moments, and there's stuff like George of the Jungle which runs on into the 1970s.

God, I hate Rocket Robin Hood though. Have you seen Crusader Rabbit, the first made-for-TV crap? You have to be really picky digging through TV cartoons, but some of them have enormous camp value or period charm.

And so I'll see your Rocket Robin Hood and raise you The Grinch Who Stole Christmas and the 1960s Charlie Brown holiday specials, before they ran out of good holidays and had to do Charlie Brown and the True Meaning of Arbor Day.

You can't win against us Boomers. We can BS with the best generations in history. Our patron saint is Mel Blanc. Or Mel Brooks. I forget which.

Bullshiat! Bullshiat! Rah! Rah! Rah!
 
2011-01-01 02:31:07 PM  
bigdavediode: If you weren't a teen or in your early twenties during the 60's, chances are you're not in the same baby-boomer culture as most baby boomers. Some run the baby-boom right through 1964, which is rather excessive given that it's a baby boom from WWII.

This part I actually agree with. Boomers born in the first decade of our generation are the direct progeny of WW2 veterans, and are imprinted with their hopes, dreams and fears (lots of those!). In contrast, those born in the later '50s and up to '64, generally have parents who did not participate in the war as adults. Big difference. Huge.
 
2011-01-01 02:35:04 PM  
In this thread; I see a lot of angry, sad, individuals - guilty of everything they are condemning the baby boomer generation of doing.

I get it, you were told how awesome you were as a kid. Told you could be anything you wanted when you grew up. How great life was going to be. All that self-esteem turned into a bitter reminder of what you *should* have been.

Your job sucks. Your family sucks. You never were special. Sure, you get by; but that doesn't give you the warm and fuzzy you so desperately need. Why aren't you a CEO yet? Hell, you have a degree from a college....why haven't the velvet ropes parted for you?

It MUST BE that SOMEONE is keeping it from you. OLD PEOPLE. Those SELFISH BABYBOOMERS. They are why your life is screwed up. Yeah - that old guy who has the better job than you. If only he'd retired 20 years ago....then....MAYBE....maybe you'd have his job. Yeah - that's it. It's not you. It's THEM. THEY are keeping you down. If you could just get a break, then they'd all see how great you really are. Just like your Mom and your 3rd grade elementary teacher told you. Then you'd be a famous scientist or a CEO or a doctor - instead of a washed up realtor working at the Home Depot.
 
2011-01-01 02:38:16 PM  
Don't trust the NY Times....
 
2011-01-01 02:47:14 PM  
My parents are Boomers (b. '47 & '51) and I think they are doing well for themselves. They seem to have their shiat together. Good retirement plan, has money in the savings and didn't lose much in the stock market crash a few years ago. Their house and cars are paid off, and they can travel a little more than they used to with me in the house. I am very proud of them, because I can remember scraping by in the '80s.

Me on the other hand...
 
2011-01-01 02:49:36 PM  
SuperTramp: Wrong, darling. Ralph Bakshi, the writer and director of "Rocket Robin Hood" was born in 1938. Try again.

The producer was Al Guest. But I'll defer to you on this one about that stinkin' pile of crap but my argument that cartoons were better in the 40's and 50's still stands.
 
2011-01-01 02:51:15 PM  
Fark_Guy_Rob: It MUST BE that SOMEONE is keeping it from you. OLD PEOPLE. Those SELFISH BABYBOOMERS. They are why your life is screwed up. Yeah - that old guy who has the better job than you. If only he'd retired 20 years ago....then....MAYBE....maybe you'd have his job. Yeah - that's it. It's not you. It's THEM. THEY are keeping you down. If you could just get a break, then they'd all see how great you really are. Just like your Mom and your 3rd grade elementary teacher told you. Then you'd be a famous scientist or a CEO or a doctor - instead of a washed up realtor working at the Home Depot.

That post was like a cup of coffee -- very black and bitter.
 
2011-01-01 02:53:45 PM  
cynicalbastard: cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.

THIS.
Seriously, I'm in the same bracket. And this grouping is retarded, as you say. Furthermore, in the late '60's for every boomer getting stoned in college, experimenting with communal living, growing magic 'shrooms, trying to freak out their parents, there were about a hundred if not more who couldn't afford college or could at best afford auto repair, machinist or photography courses at community college, were just hoping to try and get a decent job, and might have toked up a few times at parties but would no more shoot something into their veins than they would jump into a cesspool for thrills. The only thing they might have shared with the former group was possibly a liking for the Beatles or Rolling Stones.
And us folks born 1960 or later have next to nothing in common with the first boomers, as you say. Our scene wasn't peace and love- our scene was Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson.


Don't forget the Bay City Rollers, Shawn Cassidy, Rex Smith, Kristy McNichol and Robbie Benson. They are the generation too young for Woodstock, but too old for MTV (1960-1964). Heck - even Cindy Brady was older than those post-boomers.
 
2011-01-01 02:53:56 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: This part I actually agree with. Boomers born in the first decade of our generation are the direct progeny of WW2 veterans, and are imprinted with their hopes, dreams and fears (lots of those!). In contrast, those born in the later '50s and up to '64, generally have parents who did not participate in the war as adults. Big difference. Huge.

There's definitely a cultural difference there, yes. Who knows what brought about the bb/wg extremism but it was incredibly damaging to society overall and it doesn't seem to have mapped to subsequent generations.
 
2011-01-01 02:56:31 PM  
brantgoose: God, I hate Rocket Robin Hood though. Have you seen Crusader Rabbit, the first made-for-TV crap? You have to be really picky digging through TV cartoons, but some of them have enormous camp value or period charm.

And so I'll see your Rocket Robin Hood and raise you The Grinch Who Stole Christmas and the 1960s Charlie Brown holiday specials, before they ran out of good holidays and had to do Charlie Brown and the True Meaning of Arbor Day.


I'd like to see that Crusader Rabbit just to see if it brings up vomit like the old Rocket Robin Hood cartoons did. Yes, there are always exceptions.

And don't even get me started on the 80's cartoons.
 
2011-01-01 02:59:21 PM  
bbfreak: C: We Xers and Yers will certainly get our chance to fark things up, but meanwhile we have every right to blame boomers. If we're the way we are, its because you folks haven't exactly given us a rosy future to look forward to. Granted, its a viscous cycle in which one generation farks over the other over time.

Not really -- the baby boomers made debt a way of life and farking over their kids part of their expectations (even to this day when they want credit-card paid for 'tax cuts'). I don't see the younger generation doing the same, nor rejecting their own values like the baby boomers have done. It didn't help that a large portion of them because social conservative nutcases, either.
 
2011-01-01 03:44:19 PM  
Fark_Guy_Rob: It MUST BE that SOMEONE is keeping it from you. OLD PEOPLE. Those SELFISH BABYBOOMERS. They are why your life is screwed up. Yeah - that old guy who has the better job than you. If only he'd retired 20 years ago....then....MAYBE....maybe you'd have his job.

Well, it's accurate.

Company by company, top management is on average getting older and older. It hasn't always been this way. People used to get old, retire, and gracefully make room for the next generation. Succession planning was a big deal for companies. Now that the boomers are in these positions, however, the attitude has changed. They've entrenched themselves and aren't showing any signs of retiring. This keeps GenX held down as perpetual middle-managers, which holds down GenY as a perpetual non-management class. The cycle has been broken, and us non-boomers are rightfully pissed off.

Career mobility (in general) is basically frozen until these Boomers finally start to die off.
 
2011-01-01 03:49:01 PM  
bigdavediode: bbfreak: C: We Xers and Yers will certainly get our chance to fark things up, but meanwhile we have every right to blame boomers. If we're the way we are, its because you folks haven't exactly given us a rosy future to look forward to. Granted, its a viscous cycle in which one generation farks over the other over time.

Not really -- the baby boomers made debt a way of life and farking over their kids part of their expectations (even to this day when they want credit-card paid for 'tax cuts'). I don't see the younger generation doing the same, nor rejecting their own values like the baby boomers have done. It didn't help that a large portion of them because social conservative nutcases, either
.

You make it sound like identity/responsibility/the "soul" are things that pertain to generations and socio-cultural circumstances rather than to individual people and their choices. That people can be blamed and condemned merely for being born in a particular context regardless of their actual role and choices in the given historical context.

Your perspective is flawed even if some of your philosophical criticisms of the prevailing social and cultural features of an era are valid.
 
2011-01-01 03:57:13 PM  
cryinoutloud: I like how they wrote a two-page article describing boomers, with a couple of disclaimers of ".....now we can't go around generalizing about such a large group", then go right on generalizing about them.

Party Boy: source
No matter how old I get, I'll never vote Republican. And my mother, who is too old to even be a Boomer, is not a Republican either, despite her many flaws. We never got rich enough to want to grind everybody else into the dirt.


You'll never vote Republican because you've created a mental model of what a 'Republican' is and thinks, and will henceforth refuse to reexamine that decision. By definition, you're a bigot.
 
2011-01-01 04:13:04 PM  
Thorndyke Barnhard: You make it sound like identity/responsibility/the "soul" are things that pertain to generations and socio-cultural circumstances rather than to individual people and their choices. That people can be blamed and condemned merely for being born in a particular context regardless of their actual role and choices in the given historical context.

Your perspective is flawed even if some of your philosophical criticisms of the prevailing social and cultural features of an era are valid.


I don't make it sound like that, and in fact have posted that generalizations are just that, generalizations. However they do apply in broad strokes across the worst generation -- perhaps even more than most other generations. I don't know why the narcissism, self-interest and short-sightedness took so strongly among that generation.
 
2011-01-01 04:14:21 PM  
jjorsett: You'll never vote Republican because you've created a mental model of what a 'Republican' is and thinks, and will henceforth refuse to reexamine that decision. By definition, you're a bigot.

Okay, tell us what a Republican is without contradicting recent history, their own leadership or the increasingly influential tea-party.
 
2011-01-01 04:15:31 PM  
stiletto_the_wise: Fark_Guy_Rob: It MUST BE that SOMEONE is keeping it from you. OLD PEOPLE. Those SELFISH BABYBOOMERS. They are why your life is screwed up. Yeah - that old guy who has the better job than you. If only he'd retired 20 years ago....then....MAYBE....maybe you'd have his job.

Well, it's accurate.

Company by company, top management is on average getting older and older. It hasn't always been this way. People used to get old, retire, and gracefully make room for the next generation. Succession planning was a big deal for companies. Now that the boomers are in these positions, however, the attitude has changed. They've entrenched themselves and aren't showing any signs of retiring. This keeps GenX held down as perpetual middle-managers, which holds down GenY as a perpetual non-management class. The cycle has been broken, and us non-boomers are rightfully pissed off.

Career mobility (in general) is basically frozen until these Boomers finally start to die off.


Which also of course contributes heavily to our societal belief that everyone needs to go to college and get a degree. The whole concept of rising to the top is long-dead, and people have had to rely pnshony degrees for promotions. Well now that is no longer the case either, mobility is stalled. No one has the heart to break it to my peers and the kids in high school that all their hard work in/toward college is pretty worthless at this point. But it's not a problem, because boomers deserve to be able to work away the boredom of old age!
 
2011-01-01 04:25:59 PM  
This is not mine, it was posted on the internet a few years ago. I encourage those bashing the Boomers to pick up a copy of "Generations" by Howe and Strauss.

I'd like Millennial Generation readers to think about an older generation.

This generation was raised by parents who believed children should be given every opportunity to succeed, with much pampering and coddling... similar to when you were a Baby on Board.

Nevertheless, in young adulthood they became disaffected and radical. They were strident about redressing social inequalities, yearning for a more perfect union. They confronted human rights injustices, sometimes filling city streets with angry protest marches.

In their anomy, many became travelers, anointing Europe as the ultimate destination for reinvention. Tattoos gained popularity as "travel markers."

They inspired a rebellion in office fashion by adopting flashy, form-fitting attire. Insisting that showing skin is more congruent with modern times, they ushered sexuality out of the bedroom and into media.

Because they were a mass-media generation, they fostered collective awareness of their stylistic differences in sharp juxtaposition to older, more conservative generations. They opposed zealous censorship, claiming that contemporary media should present the full range of human experience.

They were the first generation to create health & fitness fads, with thought leaders even advocating vegetarian diets to assure well-being and longevity. They created mass markets for fitness facilities, natural foods, self-directed healthcare and alternative medicine.

In a vein similar to Millennials' preferred approach to written communications - text messaging - literary superstars of this generation adopted terse minimalism and understatement. They invented a transformational form of musical expression, similar in originality to hip-hop. Then personal electronic media became the preferred method for entertainment delivery.

They pressed mainstream society for individualism over conformity, equal rights for all workers, multiculturalism, racial fairness, gender equality and environmental awareness.

Analogous to Millennials today, they were challenged in youth by ecological degradation, unpopular foreign wars and looming economic hardships.

Do you believe I'm writing about your parents, the Baby Boomers? No, this is a brief historical account of the Lost Generation, your great-grandparents, born between 1883 and 1900.

They put the roar in the Roaring Twenties and included iconoclastic notables such as Ernest Hemingway, D. H. Lawrence, Georgia O'Keeffe, T. S. Elliot, Louis Armstrong, Mae West, F. Scott Fitzgerald and William Faulkner.

Do you see any generational parallels here?
 
2011-01-01 04:34:09 PM  
bigdavediode: I don't make it sound like that, and in fact have posted that generalizations are just that, generalizations. However they do apply in broad strokes across the worst generation -- perhaps even more than most other generations. I don't know why the narcissism, self-interest and short-sightedness took so strongly among that generation.

Maybe it's your terminology. It's not just about generalization; you are assigning broad comparative value-laden terms like "worst" to the arbitrarily delimited concept of a "generation". Given limited information or even explanation, you just can't do that without sounding utterly irrational.
 
2011-01-01 04:36:10 PM  
stiletto_the_wise: Company by company, top management is on average getting older and older. It hasn't always been this way. People used to get old, retire, and gracefully make room for the next generation. Succession planning was a big deal for companies. Now that the boomers are in these positions, however, the attitude has changed. They've entrenched themselves and aren't showing any signs of retiring. This keeps GenX held down as perpetual middle-managers, which holds down GenY as a perpetual non-management class. The cycle has been broken, and us non-boomers are rightfully pissed off.

I'd be interested to read respected articles that support these points.

But let me make just one counter-point. Today is the VERY FIRST DAY IN HISTORY that a boomer reached the traditional age of retirement, yet here you are saying we're entrenched and holding you down. How the fark are we supposed to have gotten out of your way in any significant numbers before now?

Career mobility (in general) is basically frozen until these Boomers finally start to die off.

Yeah, about that. Someone above pointed out that later-half boomers may never retire. Medical advances and "means testing" Medicare and Social Security (inevitable in my opinion) will mean lots of boomers will have to work until they drop, which will, in fact, create job stresses for younger workers. But we aren't there yet, and won't be for another decade or more.

So get to work, or better yet start your own business while you're still young. That's what I keep telling my kids...don't wait around pining for lifetime employment from some benign employer, cuz it ain't gonna happen. One is on his way. He's failed a couple of times, but will succeed one of these tries. The other seems destined for a career in academia, so I don't see it happening there.

Whining about while wishing my generation would die off is a losing proposition.
 
2011-01-01 04:40:46 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: How the fark are we supposed to have gotten out of your way in any significant numbers before now?

Stop running for f*cking office and imposing the "morality" of a bygone era on the rest of us, for a start....
 
2011-01-01 04:49:02 PM  
uncletogie 46 senators on that list are NOT boomers. 44 were born prior to 1946, 2 after 1964.
 
2011-01-01 04:53:45 PM  
SuperTramp: Do you see any generational parallels here?

Not in the slightest. Plus it's not just the millenials which despise the baby boomer generation.
 
2011-01-01 04:55:21 PM  
uncletogie: StoneColdAtheist: How the fark are we supposed to have gotten out of your way in any significant numbers before now?

Stop running for f*cking office and imposing the "morality" of a bygone era on the rest of us, for a start....


You see, this is part of your generation's problem. You don't want to pay your dues and work your way to the top over a lifetime. You want older folks to just "get out of your way" as soon as you're interested in something.

But while we're on the topic, have you run for office? Volunteered for someone you respect running for office? Anything? Or are you just whinging?

Take your time. I got all day...though I might have to take an afternoon nap.
 
2011-01-01 04:57:11 PM  
SuperTramp: uncletogie 46 senators on that list are NOT boomers. 44 were born prior to 1946, 2 after 1964.

...and the slightly-more-than-half that is?

That, sir/ma'am, is called a "majority".
 
2011-01-01 05:11:26 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: You see, this is part of your generation's problem. You don't want to pay your dues and work your way to the top over a lifetime.

Since I work for little pay at a job I love, I've got the giggles over your ill-informed guess. There've been MANY days I've worked 15-plus-hour shifts.... but hey, let's see what else you got wrong.

You want older folks to just "get out of your way" as soon as you're interested in something.

Ah, yes, because "gay rights" affects me directly... No, I want people to get their outdated moral structure out of the way of progress.

But while we're on the topic, have you run for office? Volunteered for someone you respect running for office?

No, and yes {a local rep in Cromwell, Connecticut when I was younger}. I've also voted for candidates that were out to muck up an election here in S.A... and it worked. Why's that important to you?
 
2011-01-01 05:12:13 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: You see, this is part of your generation's problem. You don't want to pay your dues and work your way to the top over a lifetime. You want older folks to just "get out of your way" as soon as you're interested in something.

Nobody wants older folks to "just get out of their way" only to stop strip mining everything and anything for a dollar, leaving succeeding generations with little and mortgaging their kids. All while ranting how they worked hard for it and they were self-made.
 
2011-01-01 06:45:43 PM  
uncletogie: StoneColdAtheist: You want older folks to just "get out of your way" as soon as you're interested in something.

Ah, yes, because "gay rights" affects me directly... No, I want people to get their outdated moral structure out of the way of progress.


Wut? Up above you demand that boomers quit running for office (presumably to make room for your generation), and here you try to deflect my calling you on it into some nonsense bullshiat line.

But while we're on the topic, have you run for office? Volunteered for someone you respect running for office?

No, and yes {a local rep in Cromwell, Connecticut when I was younger}. I've also voted for candidates that were out to muck up an election here in S.A... and it worked. Why's that important to you?


Just following up on your demand that my generation "Stop running for f*cking office". As I suspected, you haven't ever done anything to have earned the trust of the population in a position of leadership. Get out there and spend the next 20-30 years proving your worth to society. Maybe then you'll be worthy of consideration for public office.
 
2011-01-01 07:13:18 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: Just following up on your demand that my generation "Stop running for f*cking office". As I suspected, you haven't ever done anything to have earned the trust of the population in a position of leadership. Get out there and spend the next 20-30 years proving your worth to society. Maybe then you'll be worthy of consideration for public office.

You're right, actually. It's not just that baby-boomers run for office and thereby appeal to narcissism instead of rational debate -- it's that baby boomers are also voting for policies which clear cut the country in the name of even one more dollar for themselves.
 
2011-01-01 07:37:51 PM  
bigdavediode: StoneColdAtheist: Just following up on your demand that my generation "Stop running for f*cking office". As I suspected, you haven't ever done anything to have earned the trust of the population in a position of leadership. Get out there and spend the next 20-30 years proving your worth to society. Maybe then you'll be worthy of consideration for public office.

You're right, actually. It's not just that baby-boomers run for office and thereby appeal to narcissism instead of rational debate -- it's that baby boomers are also voting for policies which clear cut the country in the name of even one more dollar for themselves.


There you go again, Dave, wielding that broad brush with stupid effect again. Arguing that my generation is narcissistic while yours is rational is just laughable. Just read this article (new window) linked to in a Fark thread up the page from the present one.

To borrow the author's words, GenY/X feels "entitled to act according to how they feel and to what will immediately gratify them, and entitled to not do whatever they don't want to do".

Rational, my ass.
 
2011-01-01 07:45:21 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: There you go again, Dave, wielding that broad brush with stupid effect again. Arguing that my generation is narcissistic while yours is rational is just laughable. Just read this article (new window) linked to in a Fark thread up the page from the present one.

To borrow the author's words, GenY/X feels "entitled to act according to how they feel and to what will immediately gratify them, and entitled to not do whatever they don't want to do".


My generation, and all the generations that followed the baby boomers definitely have their problems. However, they haven't reversed themselves as hard and fast as the baby boomers did. Nor are they infatuated with their own progress, aging, clothing, money, homes, whether to have children, whether to not have children, and how to get more money, money, money.

There's a values gap.
 
2011-01-01 08:04:17 PM  
bigdavediode: StoneColdAtheist: There you go again, Dave, wielding that broad brush with stupid effect again. Arguing that my generation is narcissistic while yours is rational is just laughable. Just read this article (new window) linked to in a Fark thread up the page from the present one.

To borrow the author's words, GenY/X feels "entitled to act according to how they feel and to what will immediately gratify them, and entitled to not do whatever they don't want to do".

My generation, and all the generations that followed the baby boomers definitely have their problems. However, they haven't reversed themselves as hard and fast as the baby boomers did. Nor are they infatuated with their own progress, aging, clothing, money, homes, whether to have children, whether to not have children, and how to get more money, money, money.

There's a values gap.


Gawd, that made me laugh so hard I coughed up a lung! My husband and I are end Boomers both born in 1958.

My husband makes $40,000 a year, travels two hours a day to get to and from his job. We live in a little house in a lower middle class subdivision. We did pay our house off. We have no cable, an old TV, used cars, no credit cards or credit card debt. I don't care about plastic surgery, gold, diamonds, furs, anything that is a status symbol.

We are what is called the working poor. We will be the first to not see a dime of Social Security.

Not all baby boomers are clones. I am a liberal, I believe in rights for people, I believe in states rights, I have watched my nieces and nephews grow into fine young women and men and know the future will be in their hands. Don't blame me for anything the Boomers created, I was caught up in the older Boomers shiat also.

At least I don't work, so there is one more job out there for a young person. Hope you like being a dental assistant and/or a receptionist. You will go far (*snorkle, laugh*) in either of those fields.
 
2011-01-01 08:21:42 PM  
Dixie_Normous: Not all baby boomers are clones. I am a liberal, I believe in rights for people, I believe in states rights, I have watched my nieces and nephews grow into fine young women and men and know the future will be in their hands. Don't blame me for anything the Boomers created, I was caught up in the older Boomers shiat also.

If you were born in 1958 you were unlikely to have participated in the 60's protests and the like, nor participated in many of the cultural fixtures of the time. You do, however, share the heavy blame for leisure suits.
 
2011-01-01 09:24:39 PM  
Walker: jimmyego: Walker: It's asking me to log in. I thought registration links were banned?

You don't have to register to view the article.

O RLY?

For you maybe, but there is no way for me to read the article without registering. Here is what I see when I click the link:



Tell me what to click on there to read the article without registering?


Try clearing your cookies more often than once a year.
 
2011-01-01 09:34:07 PM  
bigdavediode: StoneColdAtheist: Arguing that my generation is narcissistic while yours is rational is just laughable.

There's a values gap.


You may be right about that, but your generation has yet to establish a clearly defined set of values.

In contrast, as Publisher's Weekly wrote of Leonard Steinhorn's The Greater Generation, "The so-called "greatest generation," he says, imposed a cultural complacency whose worst elements included racism, sexual inequality and anti-Semitism. Boomers rebelled against their parents' values, striving to create an inclusive society that would recognize the contributions of all of its members. Defying and denouncing authority, the baby boomers protested against an unjust war and challenged an unethical political system. Even after the clamor of the 1960s quieted down, boomers refused to tolerate environmental violations, continued to challenge racial and sexual discrimination, rejected religious intolerance and defied racial and sexual taboos. And despite an apparent conservative turn in America, says Steinhorn, boomer values have in fact permeated our society to the point where a younger generation takes them for granted."
 
2011-01-01 09:41:49 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: Even after the clamor of the 1960s quieted down, boomers refused to tolerate environmental violations, continued to challenge racial and sexual discrimination, rejected religious intolerance and defied racial and sexual taboos. And despite an apparent conservative turn in America, says Steinhorn, boomer values have in fact permeated our society to the point where a younger generation takes them for granted."

Eh, some truth in there mixed with a whole lot of nonsense. Yes, the parents of the baby boomers needed to change, badly. However, the baby boomers then took everything they supposedly valued and turned on it just as soon as it was convenient and profitable to do so. They had no core values, except hypocrisy and extremism. The EPA? Nixon. And Nixon was terrible!

And again, it's not just my generation (which you don't know) that despises baby boomers, it's every other generation. Oddly enough, self-interest, greed and running up debts on the kids' dime is not a way to make friends with other generations.
 
2011-01-01 11:13:58 PM  
Weed will be legal all over the country in less than 20 years, because all of the baby boomers will be dead. Thus is the prophecy of Alhrahzed!
 
2011-01-02 12:39:27 AM  
stiletto_the_wise: Savoir-Faire: Most economists pinpoint the exact year when things began to change to be 1973--also known as the year when the middle class was the largest, and had the most power. Many things happened that year all at once that shook world economies and society in general, which had been relatively firm and stable since the Second World War, including:

1) The dissolution of the Bretton Woods financial contract
2) The removal of the Gold Standard in the World Bank (actually 1971)
3) OPEC flexes its muscle
4) The number of union workers reached its peak, and has been steadily declining ever since
5) Women's Liberation Movement was at its height. Title IX enacted (actually 1972)
6) Leo Strauss died

Shhhhhhh.. Don't tell the FoxNews crowd.


They might start to get the idea that correlation equaled causation.
 
2011-01-02 04:13:59 AM  
SuperTramp: This is not mine, it was posted on the internet a few years ago. I encourage those bashing the Boomers to pick up a copy of "Generations" by Howe and Strauss.

I'd like Millennial Generation readers to think about an older generation.


Sorry, no one anymore is buying the idea that the kids are always f'd up but will turn out all right. We want our times to be the end times. We want to point fingers hard enough to put out eyes. We want to lay whoopass on entire generations.
 
2011-01-02 08:39:05 AM  
www.poorimpulsecontrol.net

I'm an X'er - born in that aforementioned year of great change, 1973. A few thoughts if I may:

No generation is pigeonholed into neat little boxes - there are great entertainers, scientists, philosophers as well as crack heads, murderers rapists and everything else in every generation.

I do think a generation can have a few common traits however, though I would assume most of us have observed the world enough to know that there are exceptions to anything, still there can be a "spirit of the times", or predilection for a particular mode of thought.

Boomers tend to have had a relatively easy time achieving comfort and success - they grew up in a period of general economic prosperity, were handed education and skillsets which were in demand and had relatively high payout, existed through a profound period of scientific and cultural advance. Given the economic instability of the periods before and after, and the constant warfare and inter-class conflict which characterized the generations following and previous, it is easy to dismiss them as entitled whiners. I do not - I see it as merely a product of their age. Someone who has not had to struggle profoundly is of course going to be at a disadvantage in tenacity to someone who is used to adversity - we get better at dealing with shiat the more we deal with. I don't feel a need to make a judgment of better or worse based on a set of characteristics.

My own generation is strong on initiative and short on bonhomie - we make good independent operators and lack good teamwork skills. We're a morose, fatalistic bunch who prefer the company of machines to each other. We can be given a sketch or outline of what needs to be accomplished and find a way to do it without further guidance, which is something neither our parents or kids seem capable of. We kill ourselves at much higher rates, adjusted for age, than any other recorded generation.

The millenials seem to have good emotional coping skills and an ability to lean on each other in a way that my generation would find stultifying. They have little understanding of consequence compared to the other operant generations - but that comes with being younger, doesn't it? I mean, they have had less time to observe consequence - of course they can't make good predictions based on tings they've never seen. They have a very high respect for kindness, mercy and sharing, but little in the way of competitiveness or political acumen. They are less jealous and possessive, but also less invested in commitment than their parents or grandparents.

At the end of the day, maybe I'm just wasting time with analysis. The important thing is to focus on the direction of the society and body politic - not on a generational breakdown. What sort of world do we want to live in? Are we getting closer or farther away? What can we do to get closer?

It seems clear to me that the middle class is disappearing, and that this is a bad thing to be fought against. Logically this means being at odds with the things that are destroying said class - namely: corporate culture, government stupidity & incompetence, concentration of wealth and power, weakness of infrastructure, concentration of media, co-option of the public sector by profiteers, devaluation of scientific truth, and disintegration of the dignity of man.

Can we stop biatching about hippies and hipsters and start fixing the goddamn world already?
 
2011-01-02 09:55:40 AM  
bigdavediode: Dixie_Normous: Not all baby boomers are clones. I am a liberal, I believe in rights for people, I believe in states rights, I have watched my nieces and nephews grow into fine young women and men and know the future will be in their hands. Don't blame me for anything the Boomers created, I was caught up in the older Boomers shiat also.

If you were born in 1958 you were unlikely to have participated in the 60's protests and the like, nor participated in many of the cultural fixtures of the time. You do, however, share the heavy blame for leisure suits.


Hey, I'm a woman! I laughed at leisure suits when they came out. And men in platform shoes...

Dr._Love Boomers tend to have had a relatively easy time achieving comfort and success - Not all of us. Maybe because you don't hang with us "younger" Boomers, but many of us did not achieve "comfort and success". Many of us live without all the "stuff" younger generations feel they must have - cell phones, ipads, ipods, i-this and that... new fancy cars... tattoos that cost about as much as a house payment. Stuff. Every generation has those who want to be conspicuous consumers. Some of us don't feel that way.
 
2011-01-02 09:45:01 PM  
Dr._Love: At the end of the day, maybe I'm just wasting time with analysis. The important thing is to focus on the direction of the society and body politic - not on a generational breakdown. What sort of world do we want to live in? Are we getting closer or farther away? What can we do to get closer?

Nobody but the naïve, the stupid, and the crazy knows the answers to these questions anymore. Or even asks these questions.

It seems clear to me that the middle class is disappearing, and that this is a bad thing to be fought against. Logically this means being at odds with the things that are destroying said class - namely: corporate culture, government stupidity & incompetence, concentration of wealth and power, weakness of infrastructure, concentration of media, co-option of the public sector by profiteers, devaluation of scientific truth, and disintegration of the dignity of man.

The disappearance of the middle class is indeed a bad thing, but If this is what's involved in fighting it, then it's not to be fought against - not realistically - because it's a fight that can't be won. Not, at least, until some great calamity throws the government, media, business, and private wealth so badly off balance that they can't find their feet again. And what are the chances of the rest of us surviving if that happened?

Can we stop biatching about hippies and hipsters and start fixing the goddamn world already?

No. That's the tragedy. We can't. We wouldn't if we could. Most of us are to the point where we have to hate to know we're alive.
 
2011-01-03 01:30:10 AM  
Bagelox-99: No. That's the tragedy. We can't. We wouldn't if we could. Most of us are to the point where we have to hate to know we're alive.

Hey, the subsequent generations would love to fix the debt problem, for example, if they could just keep the baby boomers from digging in for yet more tax cuts.

That's not called "hating" that's called "responsibility."
 
2011-01-03 12:42:29 PM  
Dr._Love: Boomers tend to have had a relatively easy time achieving comfort and success - they grew up in a period of general economic prosperity, were handed education and skillsets which were in demand and had relatively high payout, existed through a profound period of scientific and cultural advance.

Yea, all those good times like the 70' and 80's. Multiple recessions. Particularly the one from 1980-1982 with Unemployment over 10%, inflation over 13%, with the added bonus of dueling nuclear super powers and the cold war. Tack on globalization from the 80's - 2000's resulting in the loss of manufacturing in the U.S., and other factors. You end up with people that spent their entire lives working for companies to find out their pensions are gone. etc. etc. etc. apparently creates a generation who thinks everything was handed to the preceding generation while we were the ones who developed those comforts you have that you take for granted today.

Dude, put down the cheetos, stop wasting your days and nights texting your pals or updating your facebook status on your latest plans to take a monster bowel movement or other inane shiat you feel compelled to tell everyone you're going to do, step away from your xbox, and come back to reality.

Oh, and one other thing. Don't blame everyone else for your falling graduation rates. Many of us were working, going to school, raising families and taking care of business when we were your age.


Dixie_Normous:

Dr._Love: Boomers tend to have had a relatively easy time achieving comfort and success

Dixie_Normous: Not all of us. Maybe because you don't hang with us "younger" Boomers, but many of us did not achieve "comfort and success". Many of us live without all the "stuff" younger generations feel they must have - cell phones, ipads, ipods, i-this and that... new fancy cars... tattoos that cost about as much as a house payment. Stuff. Every generation has those who want to be conspicuous consumers. Some of us don't feel that way.


Well put. I expect it will be completely missed by him or if not, completely lost on him, but that's life.
 
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