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2011-01-01 11:23:46 AM  
Person: It is a great milestone. It means that soon we will have a world without Boomers aka The Wost Generation.

Here's a song you might remember: Na na na na, hey hey, goodbye


It will also be good to see "The Great White Republican Die-Off."
 
2011-01-01 11:27:01 AM  
cynicalbastard: And this grouping is retarded, as you say.

Except it describes a trend of increasingly conservative, older voters who want to dismantle the very system that helped them when they were younger. My parents fit that description exactly- public educated, who now want to defund all public schools, ran a small business and were able to afford health care, now take advantage of Medicare as they turn 65 and refuse to help current small business owners (like their son) with health care reform of any kind, etc, etc.

They build up a story of how they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, all while taking advantage of all manner of government programs and investments.
 
2011-01-01 11:27:23 AM  
bigdavediode: BokerBill: So of course the "greatest generation", who really were in charge at the time, get off without any blame or rebuke, and get to retire at age 60 on Social Security paid for by their selfish children.

So blame away, youngsters. But know that time will come when everything is YOUR fault.

Mark another worst-generationer down for a "waah."


Get off my lawn.
Worst Generation, eh? I remember kids in the Sixties calling their parents names like that. Your turn will come.
 
2011-01-01 11:29:36 AM  
Savoir-Faire: Saved from someone who posted it long ago:

"....that labour spent the first half of the nineteenth century learning the rules of the capitalist game and the second half applying them, then the first half of the twentieth century saw the apparently irresistible triumph of labour, and the second half its eclipse and fall - or almost."
--Eric Hobsbawm


60 years ago an entire generation of working class men returned from the most traumatizing conflict in human history and practically demanded a better life for themselves and their children. They felt they had earned it. The political and economic nerves of our society could not agree more. This generation, they felt, which had endured nothing but turmoil, hardship, poverty, economic ruin and the horrors of mass-mechanized war, had deserved to live the rest of their lives in comfort and stability.

So the war generation moved to the peace and quiet of suburban housing divisions around the cities. Everything the war generation asked for, they got. They wanted nothing like the Great Depression to ever happen again. An international system called the Bretton Woods was set up to safeguard this. They wanted affordable housing. They got it. They wanted stable incomes, with stable companies that valued their position, their work and their contribution. They got it. They even wanted their children to be smarter and better educated than they were--they wanted to send them all to college. From a generation where most did not have much beyond a grade 8 education, this was unheard of. Yet they got it. Most of the Universities, in fact, were brand new at the time, and needed to fill their halls with students. They would take anyone who applied.

All the concessions delivered to the average joe gave strength to a burgeoning new population demographic: the middle class.

The children of the middle class--the boomers--ended up becoming the whiniest, most spoiled, most self-absorbed generation on the face of the earth, because they grew up in this post-war period where everything was literally given to them on a silver platter. Life, they were constantly told, was going to be different. It was going to be better from then on. And they were the chosen generation, growing up with this sense of entitlement.

Most economists pinpoint the exact year when things began to change to be 1973--also known as the year when the middle class was the largest, and had the most power. Many things happened that year all at once that shook world economies and society in general, which had been relatively firm and stable since the Second World War, including:

1) The dissolution of the Bretton Woods financial contract
2) The removal of the Gold Standard in the World Bank (actually 1971)
3) OPEC flexes its muscle
4) The number of union workers reached its peak, and has been steadily declining ever since
5) Women's Liberation Movement was at its height. Title IX enacted (actually 1972)
6) Leo Strauss died

A lot of these things actually freed up corporations and made global trade more laissez-faire, which is what they wanted. The war generation desired world economic policy that deliberately prevented Depressions, so it was relatively benign, safe, and steady (and crash-proof)....forever moving slowly forward, with everyone on board. Like a bus. But 1973 is heralded as the year that Boomers suddenly started moving into positions in power en masse, and a revolution in economic thinking occurred: to them, global markets should move faster and quicker, like a race car.

Economic inertia is akin to a big hulking ocean liner, not a speedboat. Just as a big boat takes several miles and hours to turn on the high seas, when a gigantic change is made, it often takes years to manifest. Such it was that the world-sweeping policies in 1973 really started coming into play in the 80s, where it started behaving exactly like it was up until the 30s: big gains, but also big lows. Dow jumping and falling hundreds of points all the time (something that wasn't really a regular occurance until Reagan took of ...


Thanks for re-posting that. And a thanks goes to the original poster also.
 
2011-01-01 11:32:11 AM  
BokerBill: Worst Generation, eh? I remember kids in the Sixties calling their parents names like that. Your turn will come.

Some did call their parents, the greatest generation, that. There is, however, a difference between being angry and rebelling against your parents and being disgusted with the behavior, narcissism and greed of a generation.

Look at how ALL subsequent generations feel about the greatest generation -- pretty good, in general. Now look at how ALL subsequent generations look at the baby boomers -- almost universally negative.
 
2011-01-01 11:34:41 AM  
bigdavediode: cynicalbastard: Seriously, I'm in the same bracket. And this grouping is retarded, as you say.

Not every boomer acts the same, and the ones who didn't experience the flower children crap of the 60's will, by nature, be of a slightly different culture.

However, having said that, the baby-boomers/the worst generation have set records in narcissism and there are cultural traits which span a generation. Just as "everybody" wants to get a bean-bag chair when they were in style, "everybody" in that generation followed the lead of betraying a bunch of false values, worshiping greed, incurring massive debts, sacrificing community and being narcissistic.


Not "everybody." Just the ones with education and airs. The shot-and-a-beer boomers, the ones who voted for cowboy conservatives and raised their children with the flat of the hand instead of books, they never abandoned those ideals of community and never even learned to spell "narcissism."

Too bad they're all dumb as a bag of shiat, or they might actually have made a difference and kept those community ideals alive. Because those ideals have been stretched and tailored to fit so many cynical fat cat political agendas - helloooooo teabaggers? - that they are now well and truly farked.
 
2011-01-01 11:38:41 AM  
Bagelox-99: Not "everybody." Just the ones with education and airs. The shot-and-a-beer boomers, the ones who voted for cowboy conservatives and raised their children with the flat of the hand instead of books, they never abandoned those ideals of community and never even learned to spell "narcissism."

Many of those "cowboy conservatives" and offensively social conservatives ("a government finger in every vagina!") started out as hippie-flower-children and decided to "reform" and become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

They started extreme and decided to drift to the other extreme of Greed, God and Guns. But they stayed extreme.

It will be a better planet when they're gone.
 
2011-01-01 11:45:08 AM  
Don't trust a website that forces you to turn on java and register.
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2011-01-01 11:45:21 AM  
Quantum Apostrophe: cryinoutloud: I'm getting pretty sick of this stupid "boomer" term. First of all, doesn't it cover about 20 years? I have about as much in common with a 65-year-old as I do with a 30-year-old, and I'm supposedly a young Boomer.

Also, I hate it when people are grouped by some arbitrary thing, and then everyone says, "Well, that group is ALL that way." Really? Because of the time someone happened to be born? Do you believe in astrology too?

Because I'm a Gemini, and I feel like I can only really relate to other Geminis. It's nobody's fault--it's in the stars.

But you comfortably put all men in the same basket, yes?

All
women do that.
 
2011-01-01 11:45:35 AM  
bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."
 
2011-01-01 11:46:39 AM  
Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."


"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."
 
2011-01-01 11:48:51 AM  
Savoir-Faire: Saved from someone who posted it long ago:

I'm bookmarking this thread just for that post. Although I'm not sure it was the boomers, but that odd generation that grew up in the 40's and 50's that was just too young to serve in WWII and too old to serve in Vietnam that made those changes.
 
2011-01-01 11:50:06 AM  
Lord Farkwad: Don't trust a website that forces you to turn on java and register.

You shouldn't share your login info like that. (It's visible in the image!)
 
2011-01-01 11:51:08 AM  
bigdavediode: Person: It is a great milestone. It means that soon we will have a world without Boomers aka The Wost Generation.

Here's a song you might remember: Na na na na, hey hey, goodbye

It will also be good to see "The Great White Republican Die-Off."


Wow. People who don't agree with you should die, huh? Good thing you are not one of those "me, me, me" boomer types.
 
2011-01-01 11:51:37 AM  
UNC_Samurai: I'm bookmarking this thread just for that post. Although I'm not sure it was the boomers, but that odd generation that grew up in the 40's and 50's that was just too young to serve in WWII and too old to serve in Vietnam that made those changes.

Just do a Google search for "worst generation" and you'll find lots.
 
2011-01-01 11:52:35 AM  
Ronin FF: Wow. People who don't agree with you should die, huh? Good thing you are not one of those "me, me, me" boomer types.

"Should" die? No, more like WILL die, and soon. And it will be good to see the Republican Party of Elderly White People be decimated.
 
2011-01-01 11:54:07 AM  
bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."


"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."
 
2011-01-01 11:57:50 AM  
SapperInTexas: bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."

"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."


"IF you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."
 
2011-01-01 11:59:40 AM  
Savoir-Faire: SapperInTexas: bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."

"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."

"IF you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."


"If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."
 
2011-01-01 11:59:50 AM  
Ronin FF: All women do that.

Well played.
 
2011-01-01 12:03:42 PM  
Heh. I just got a "happy 72nd birthday" message from Fark. Forgot I'd done that. Thank jeebus I'm nowhere near that old, that would really suck.
 
2011-01-01 12:04:15 PM  
Can't trust anyone from here on out.
 
2011-01-01 12:09:29 PM  
Bacontastesgood: Heh. I just got a "happy 72nd birthday" message from Fark. Forgot I'd done that. Thank jeebus I'm nowhere near that old, that would really suck.

The alternative to getting that old sucks harder.
 
2011-01-01 12:10:26 PM  
bigdavediode: Savoir-Faire: SapperInTexas: bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."

"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."

"IF you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."

"If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."


'Cause that's what it's all about!
 
2011-01-01 12:13:37 PM  
bigdavediode: Ronin FF: Wow. People who don't agree with you should die, huh? Good thing you are not one of those "me, me, me" boomer types.

"Should" die? No, more like WILL die, and soon. And it will be good to see the Republican Party of Elderly White People be decimated.


That's a pretty reasonable reaction.
 
2011-01-01 12:15:23 PM  
"If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."

Can't even get that right.
 
2011-01-01 12:18:39 PM  
The only way that boomers could possibly help this country during their entire existence is if every one of them committed seppuku before we go bankrupt paying for their viagra.
 
2011-01-01 12:18:58 PM  
wutchamacallem: "If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."

Can't even get that right.


Dammit! Figures that I'd run into a hokey-pokey expert on the Internet. Which leg is first? Where do I put it? What do I do next?
 
2011-01-01 12:20:12 PM  
Ronin FF: "Should" die? No, more like WILL die, and soon. And it will be good to see the Republican Party of Elderly White People be decimated.

That's a pretty reasonable reaction.


Hug?
 
2011-01-01 12:20:53 PM  
About people freaking out about Social Security: People are living longer. How on earth is this a BAD thing? Of course this means people will be working longer, and living their normal pre-retirement-home lives longer.

In 1900 the average life expectancy was 47. People back then would think it was odd to work until the age of 65. Today's children should expect to work till at least 80-90. The average quality of life as well as the length of life today is much longer. So there's really no reason to complain on the whole.
 
2011-01-01 12:25:14 PM  
Penman: In 1900 the average life expectancy was 47. People back then would think it was odd to work until the age of 65. Today's children should expect to work till at least 80-90.

So much fail in your post, and so much troll.

1) SS wasn't introduced in 1900

2) Average life expectancy AT BIRTH is not relevant to any discussion

3) Nobody felt it was odd to work until the age of 65 when SS was introduced

4) I can't wait to order a burger from a 90 year old. Is drool a special sauce?
 
2011-01-01 12:25:20 PM  
"But the pig has moved through the python, and is moving to the final stage," Mr. Gillon said. "And we won't describe what that stage is."

Oh, crap.
 
2011-01-01 12:25:41 PM  
bigdavediode: Ronin FF: "Should" die? No, more like WILL die, and soon. And it will be good to see the Republican Party of Elderly White People be decimated.

That's a pretty reasonable reaction.

Hug?


Go hug a stovepipe.
 
2011-01-01 12:26:19 PM  
msannomalley: bigdavediode: Savoir-Faire: SapperInTexas: bigdavediode: Penman: bigdavediode: become insane social conservatives because now "they knew better."

"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

"If you spout mindless cliches, then you're a Republican."

"If you mock peoples' values and opinions, you're a Farker."

"IF you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."

"If you put one leg in, then put one leg out, you're a hookey-pookey."

'Cause that's what it's all about!


I laughed.
 
2011-01-01 12:28:39 PM  
Ronin FF: That's a pretty reasonable reaction.

Hug?

Go hug a stovepipe.


Look, just because baby-boomers have utterly failed as a generation and are universally despised does not mean that every single person in that generation suffers from the gross generalized character flaws. You could be an exception -- a very nice, non-self-interested person who believes in community, for example.
 
2011-01-01 12:34:03 PM  
bigdavediode: Ronin FF: That's a pretty reasonable reaction.

Hug?

Go hug a stovepipe.

Look, just because baby-boomers have utterly failed as a generation and are universally despised does not mean that every single person in that generation suffers from the gross generalized character flaws. You could be an exception -- a very nice, non-self-interested person who believes in community, for example.


And just because you say it with conviction it should mean something to me?
 
2011-01-01 12:38:11 PM  
Ronin FF: And just because you say it with conviction it should mean something to me?

Hmmm... or not.
 
2011-01-01 12:39:39 PM  
bigdavediode: Look, just because baby-boomers have utterly failed as a generation and are universally despised does not mean that every single person in that generation suffers from the gross generalized character flaws. You could be an exception -- a very nice, non-self-interested person who believes in community, for example.

You sound like a Millennial; a fat, lazy, underachieving gamer who, by your own admission, lives in your mother's living room.

Here are a couple of handy phrases for you...

"Would you like fries with that, sir?"

"Pizza delivery!" (Announce this real loud as you approach the front door, so the dirtbags inside don't shoot your ass thinking it's a no-knock warrant.)

...and, from my era:

"Clean your windshield and check the oil for you, sir?"
 
2011-01-01 12:42:41 PM  
Over 70? The FOX News demographic. Don't trust them is right.
 
2011-01-01 12:42:44 PM  
jimmyego: Walker: It's asking me to log in. I thought registration links were banned?

You don't have to register to view the article.


O RLY?

For you maybe, but there is no way for me to read the article without registering. Here is what I see when I click the link:

img.photobucket.com

Tell me what to click on there to read the article without registering?
 
2011-01-01 12:45:11 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: You sound like a Millennial; a fat, lazy, underachieving gamer who, by your own admission, lives in your mother's living room.

Here are a couple of handy phrases for you...


Look, you can't insult everybody who despises the baby boomer/worst generation, you'll be long dead first. There's just too much antipathy towards that generation, and for good reason.
 
2011-01-01 12:45:53 PM  
Walker: Tell me what to click on there to read the article without registering?

You could scroll up.
 
2011-01-01 12:47:11 PM  
Walker: jimmyego: Walker: It's asking me to log in. I thought registration links were banned?

You don't have to register to view the article.

O RLY?

For you maybe, but there is no way for me to read the article without registering. Here is what I see when I click the link:



Tell me what to click on there to read the article without registering?


Try this then.
 
2011-01-01 12:49:16 PM  
What's with all the Alex Keaton mini-me's in this thread? Aren't hung over because you didn't have dates last night?
 
2011-01-01 12:51:11 PM  
Walker:

Save yourself the time. The article in summation:

Basically Boomers are redefining what it means to be decrepit. And unlike the last thing they redefined, this one actually means something.

While some boomers are feeling unsatisfied with themselves, what with destroying the future for the next two generations at least, but you can rest assured that they're still totally self-interested and can't wait until the day comes when every boomer reaches the age of 65 and they can say "I made it."

That it is that they actually made is not stated in the article.
 
2011-01-01 12:51:27 PM  
bigdavediode: Look, you can't insult everybody who despises the baby boomer/worst generation, you'll be long dead first. There's just too much antipathy towards that generation, and for good reason.

Thank you for proving my point. Now, please reread your post carefully, then look up the definition of "irony".
 
2011-01-01 12:53:10 PM  
Savoir-Faire: Most economists pinpoint the exact year when things began to change to be 1973--also known as the year when the middle class was the largest, and had the most power. Many things happened that year all at once that shook world economies and society in general, which had been relatively firm and stable since the Second World War, including:

1) The dissolution of the Bretton Woods financial contract
2) The removal of the Gold Standard in the World Bank (actually 1971)
3) OPEC flexes its muscle
4) The number of union workers reached its peak, and has been steadily declining ever since
5) Women's Liberation Movement was at its height. Title IX enacted (actually 1972)
6) Leo Strauss died


Shhhhhhh.. Don't tell the FoxNews crowd.
 
2011-01-01 12:58:05 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: bigdavediode: Look, you can't insult everybody who despises the baby boomer/worst generation, you'll be long dead first. There's just too much antipathy towards that generation, and for good reason.

Thank you for proving my point. Now, please reread your post carefully, then look up the definition of "irony".


Ah, I see -- you feel that the antipathy towards the baby boomers is just sour grapes and insults.

Sorry, but it's not. Would you like me to Google an editorial or two to explain why? Here, I'll just pick the first one I find about the "worst generation:"

"If they were animals, they'd be a plague of locusts, devouring everything in their path and leaving but a wasteland. If they were plants, they'd be kudzu, choking off ever other living thing with their sheer mass. If they were artists, they'd be abstract expressionists, interested only in the emotions of that moment -- not in the lasting result of the creative process. If they were a baseball club, they'd be the Florida Marlins: prefab prima donnas who bought their way to prominence, then disbanded -- a temporary association but not a team.

"Of course, it is as unfair to demonize an entire generation as it is to characterize an entire gender or race or religion. And I don't literally mean that everyone born between 1946 and 1964 is a selfish pig. But generations can have a unique character that defines them, especially if they are the elites of a generation -- those lucky few who are blessed with the money or brains or looks or skills or education that typifies an era. Whether is was Fitzgerald and Hemingway defining the Lost Generation of World War I and the Roaring Twenties, or JFK and the other heroes of the World War II generation, or the high-tech whiz kids of the post-Boomer generation, certain archetypes define certain times.

"You know who you are. If you grew your hair and burned your draft card on campus during the Sixties; if you toked, screwed, and boogied your way through the Seventies; if you voted for Reagan and believed "Greed is good" in the Eighties; and if you're trying to make up for it now by nesting as you cluck about the collapse of "family values," you're it. If not, even if demographers call you a Boomer, you probably hate our generation's elite as much as I do.
 
SH
2011-01-01 01:04:38 PM  
Savoir-Faire: INSERT REAGANOMICS HERE. The 80s is when people started noticing that the middle class was shrinking, unions were evaporating and corporations were making more money than ever. Because the new school of boomer companies realized that the true secret to riches wasn't steady, productive growth like their parents corporations of the 50s and 60s, but rapid, massive growth very quickly. The way to do this, of course, is via venture capital and the stock market. But it wasn't foolproof. The Savings & Loan scandal, the crash of 87, and the cutthroat acquisition, merging and selling of companies popularized in films like Wall Street highlighted the decade's economic excess. A lot of people at the top made a lot of money really quickly, but as any economics 101 student can tell you, that means a lot more people at the bottom lost a lot of money as well.


Added my own thought in bold.

Very nice post to whoever originally posted it.
 
2011-01-01 01:05:49 PM  
bigdavediode: "You know who you are. If you grew your hair and burned your draft card on campus during the Sixties; if you toked, screwed, and boogied your way through the Seventies; if you voted for Reagan and believed "Greed is good" in the Eighties; and if you're trying to make up for it now by nesting as you cluck about the collapse of "family values," you're it. If not, even if demographers call you a Boomer, you probably hate our generation's elite as much as I do.

So it's OK now to blame certain cultures/groups for the ills of society? I thought liberals were against that sort of thing.
 
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