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bluezmasta		2003-07-10 04:04:01 PM

Take that ya hippies!!! Right Wing News breaks some amazingly unbiased reporting. Whoohooo.

Yeah right wing news like that's reliable. Impeach him, No a war crimes tribunal. That's what we need for bush and his murderous cabinet.

Allright, I guess I got everybodies opinion on this subject out of the way in one post. Move along, nothing more to see here.

JamesBong		2003-07-10 04:15:55 PM

Bill Clinton may have had the opinion that Iraq had WoMD. However he didnt go against the UN and invade Iraq based on his opinion.

/strawman. Good try though.. but its still a strawman.

3horn		2003-07-10 04:19:22 PM

So as we can see, earlier in the same interview Cheney said Saddam was "reconstituting" his program, not that he had "reconstituted nuclear weapons".

So it all depends on the meaning of "is"?

3Horn

Smookyfufu		2003-07-10 04:27:26 PM

Clinton mentioned on the second post. Fascinating.

Btw, thanks Right Wing News, you've truly shown me the light. Damn those gays and their sodomy! Damn those pinko liberals!

soze		2003-07-10 04:29:53 PM

So is Clinton the new Godwin's Law standard for Fark political catfights?

3horn		2003-07-10 04:54:05 PM

No, it's just that anytime a Republican does something stupid, neoconservatives immediately shout "Clinton did something too!", as if that suddenly excuses whatever the right-winger did.

3Horn

soze		2003-07-10 05:07:04 PM

Not to claim that JamesBong is a repugnicant wacko or anything, btw. Just noting that this thread is somewhat stillborn.

karlmer		2003-07-10 05:08:53 PM

Smooky, Clinton is mentioned in the article itself, why are you suprised to see him mentioned in the discussion?

If Bush didn't know about this, he certainly should have. He's either lying, or he's kept himself intentionally ignorant of the situation. Do you really expect me to believe that Farkers are getting more accurate intelligence reports than the President of the United States? I suppose he could just be really, really stupid but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

exick		2003-07-10 05:22:32 PM

My favorite part of links like these is how both the right and left accuse people like Russert and Blitzer of being biased towards the other side.

If you want to talk about taking something out of context, the quote of Cheney's where he uses the word "reconstituting" (as opposed to "reconstituted") is answering a hypothetical question about what the administration fears would happen if they were to let Saddam stay in power in exchange for giving up all his WMD, and not what Saddam was currently doing. Thank you for the lesson in irony, Mr. Hawkins.

Cheney didn't misspeak when he said he believed that Saddam had reconstituted nuclear weapons. He just got finished saying that he disagreed with the IAEA about the existence of Iraq's nuclear weapons program, that after the Gulf War they thought Saddam was 1 to 2 years away from obtaining a nuclear weapon, and that he'd developed several ways of enriching uranium to produce "fissile" (sic) material, so how could he be reconstituting his nuclear weapons program if it already exists and is diligently working towards its goal?

Oh, and next time someone tries to argue with you that the war in Iraq wasn't really about WMD, but more about freeing the people of Iraq from a tyrant, refer them to this:

RUSSERT: What do you think is the most important rationale for going to war with Iraq?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I think Ive just given it, Tim, in terms of the combination of his development and use of chemical weapons, his development of biological weapons, his pursuit of nuclear weapons.

JamesBong		2003-07-10 05:29:02 PM

So its not ok to mention Clinton in Fark Comments when he's used as a benchmark for arguements? Next time read the article before you start biatching about people discussing the content in said article with "irrelevant" facts.

By the way.. I'm from Texas and I'm a Conservative. I agree that Saddam had to be taken out. I, however take objection to the reasons given in the public and defacto "Declaration of War". If we're going to buck the UN now or in the future I'm ok with that.. but we damn well better have our ducks in a row.

Rosalea		2003-07-10 05:58:43 PM

ooh a flame war on a boring day at work..woo

anyway, how can anyone truly defend the bush administration on this?

Cyberluddite		2003-07-10 06:14:48 PM

2003-07-10 05:58:43 PM Rosalea
anyway, how can anyone truly defend the bush administration on this?

The duty of defending them has now fallen exclusively to sites called things like "Right Wing News" and, undoubtedly, a few of the Fark members of the Dubya ass-licking cult. All of those folks are so enamored of Bush and so blind to his faults that if he pulled down his pants right in front of them, took a big shiat on their dessert plates, and told them it was chocolate ice cream, they would eat it all up, swear it was delicious, and ask for seconds.

karlmer		2003-07-10 06:24:09 PM

The Bush apologists do seem to be thinning out a bit.

teletype1		2003-07-10 06:56:31 PM

can we stop letting these stupid political hack websites get posted on here? fark is so beyond politics. more boobies!

gorillagorillagorilla		2003-07-10 06:56:58 PM

BS Artists

Jonas		2003-07-10 06:57:03 PM

If any of your f ckers don't vote in 2004, or vote for bush, I'm going to kick your asses.

akulaalfa		2003-07-10 06:57:06 PM

Impeachment Petition

This is a real thing that has gotten a lot of signatures, so check it out.

vroomazoom		2003-07-10 06:59:19 PM

ok i support the war, and the president. but right wing news? haha. it makes me laugh.

rlbigfish		2003-07-10 06:59:20 PM

Let's trust "Right Wing News." That's like referring to "White Power Weekly" to whether or not we should like people of different races. Boy some people are stupid.

skrewewe		2003-07-10 07:00:10 PM

Since the Bush familly is creating a monarchy, It's gonna be wierd when his daughter becomes president.

mynamebackwards		2003-07-10 07:00:18 PM

The Bush apologists do seem to be thinning out a bit.

Naaa. Most are sick of arguing with the pussy liberals.

/We came We saw We kicked ass.

tarvuz		2003-07-10 07:00:38 PM

Clinton

SquirrelWithLargeNuts		2003-07-10 07:00:57 PM

Smooky, because you're an idiot and obviously don't know, RWN's pro-gay rights.

DarthG		2003-07-10 07:01:03 PM

Nothing will be done. Bush will skate right on through this mess. Though it would restore my faith in my fellow citizens if the American public rose up and demanded his resignation from office.

And yes, this is coming from a registered Republican. Though not for much longer.

Otto's_Jacket		2003-07-10 07:01:42 PM

Oh geez, here we go again.

Almighty		2003-07-10 07:02:02 PM

I found it hilarious that this right wing site is accusing the Democrats of screaming for a sitting president to be investigated based on thin or non-existent evidence, given that they spent the entire 8 years of Clinton's presidency doing exactly the same thing.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

vroomazoom		2003-07-10 07:02:35 PM

DarthG:

why give up on the GOP? its not like the dems are taking any hard stance against this.

SquirrelWithLargeNuts		2003-07-10 07:02:58 PM

Psychohazard		2003-07-10 07:04:26 PM

Be patient and wait for what turns up.

I love this strategy. I'll pay you when I find my wallet. Be patient and I'll find it. Meanwhile I buy a money-clip.

Farkwod		2003-07-10 07:04:56 PM

Wow. I guess homophobia really IS repressed homosexuality.

DrLearned		2003-07-10 07:04:56 PM

must...not ....respond...to...ignorant....liberal....flamebait....must....find.......beer ....and.....porn.

dreadnought		2003-07-10 07:05:34 PM

Well I would like to state as, Cyberluddite, put it, Im one of a few of the Fark members of the Dubya ass-licking cult. And if you rely want me to defend my opinions and to an extent the administrations stance on the war then I will.

DarthG		2003-07-10 07:06:10 PM

vroomazoom:

My political ideology has shifted to Hicksian political thought:

"I believe the puppet on the right best expresses my views."
"I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking."
"Hey wait, there's something behind the curtain operating both puppets!"
"Go back to bed, America -- your government is in control. Here, here's American Idol. Watch as these pituitary retards wail like cats in heat. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here, here's more episodes of Big Brother, watch this and get stupid. Go back to bed, America. You are free -- to do what we tell you to."

And so on, and so on and so on.
/I miss you, Bill

Skallas		2003-07-10 07:06:50 PM

Right wing news, newsmax, etc. Fark is on the GOP payroll.

Godamnlimey		2003-07-10 07:08:03 PM

Fear not brave Farkers ,Glodo will save us all.
He walks on water y'know.

Bill_Wick's_Friend		2003-07-10 07:08:08 PM

2003-07-10 07:05:34 PM dreadnought

Well I would like to state as, Cyberluddite, put it, Im one of a few of the Fark members of the Dubya ass-licking cult. And if you rely want me to defend my opinions and to an extent the administrations stance on the war then I will.

No....I'll just assume that you're traumatized by 9/11 or that you're taking Rohypnol or that you're under hypnosis or some other factor has made you highly open to suggestion.

(you're getting sleeeeeeepy. veeeery sleeeeeepy. you're mailing a cheque to bill_wick's_friend.....)

the_god_ninti		2003-07-10 07:11:11 PM

It is one long strawman argument. Take a couple of WMD quotes from the administration that you can twist into making it sound like they didn't actually lie, and ignore all the other WMD quotes where there can be no doubt they did lie. It is a good strategy for a believable biased article, but fools nobody who isn't already determined to believe Bush and company no matter the evidence.

Bacicot		2003-07-10 07:12:08 PM

Anybody who thinks Saddam didn't have any WMD hasn't been paying attention.

Boo Radley		2003-07-10 07:13:03 PM

How embarassing it must be to have blindly followed a lying deserter into a war of aggression on a nation building excercise that's destroyed our economy. That's why some many need to fire up the old liberal vs. conservative smokescreen, to avoid dealing with the uncomfortable fact that our kids are dying, and not in our defense.

Boo Radley		2003-07-10 07:13:43 PM

s/some/so/g yeah yeah.

Smookyfufu		2003-07-10 07:15:02 PM

It's funny how the Texan Republicans share in the cowboy behavior that Bush loves to show.

We should sign a petition to return Texas to Mexico.

Farking Corksucker		2003-07-10 07:15:04 PM

Hilary's quote in October 2002 is a gem!

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

the_god_ninti		2003-07-10 07:15:33 PM

Keep trying Benzol, maybe you will figure it out eventually.

Smookyfufu		2003-07-10 07:16:05 PM

Wait, i'll respond for you guys:

"LOL! You liberal pussy!"

Great argument.

galumph200		2003-07-10 07:17:33 PM

Bacicot

And yet another strawman argument. Anti-War people never said he had NO WMDs. They said that (1) The case had not been made that he had ones that would be an "immediate threat" to the US, and (2) If he does, why not discover them through the UN weapons inspection team rather then via war.

Bush et al said "screw this, we don't have time", bulldozed into Iraq, have found nothing so far, and have now said "It's going to take awhile" after saying the UN team had enough time and couldn't find anything because they were incompetent, not becase there weren't vast amounts of WMDs to begin with.

culebra		2003-07-10 07:17:34 PM

And even when you do get your HTML shiat together,someone already beat you to that terribly clever post.

McBatt		2003-07-10 07:17:46 PM

See, defending the whole SOTU Address uranium thing is stupid.
The reason they claim they didn't know that the docs were forged was that the CIA hadn't checked yet. So, the president intentionally repeated information that could potentially sway others to his opinion about Iraq while knowing it was unchecked? What sort of leader repeats unchecked information is any form, anyways?

gfunk		2003-07-10 07:19:04 PM

*sigh*

Aloysius Fahrfegnabber VII		2003-07-10 07:19:05 PM

"why some many need to fire up the old liberal vs. conservative smokescreen, to avoid dealing with the uncomfortable fact that our kids are dying, and not in our defense."

Ouch. How true. That really IS the problem isn't it? Even if lots of Iraqis are still being killed, they can be conveniently labelled 'insurgents' or 'Saddam loyalists'. Who knows- maybe they are. But the fact is the country's been screwed up since the bombs started dropping and it's not gotten any better, despite the empty promises issuing from Both Parties.
Hey, the American people may be told the truth now, right? Despite the fact that they still haven't found any WMDs, despite the fact that intelligence was misrepresented, that even lowly soldiers who get lost and are captured are somehow 'rescued' later from the people who give them back..... meh, it's not that I'm cynical and mistrustful, but...I can't think of any other way to put it.