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(The New York Times)   Global warming puts more moisture in the air, which makes it snow more, which reflects more sunlight away from Earth, which makes it colder. So we really need to do something about global warming to make it stop getting so cold   (nytimes.com) divider line 359
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2010-12-27 09:00:51 PM
w00t! APGWCGOMGWTFBBQ!!! #2 for the day.

/We're all going to die unless we spread the wealth!
//Spread the wealth already!
///Flame on!
 
2010-12-27 09:06:42 PM
Everything I know about climatology, I learned from blurbs in newspapers and AM radio.
 
2010-12-27 09:07:16 PM
It's science, biatches.
 
2010-12-27 09:07:35 PM
if we don't do what this group of white robed men and women say then the world will end in fire! floods and earthquakes and volcanic eruptions! disease and starvation! mass panic! But do what they tell us and we have a shot at survival.

now...am I referring to global warming or to bible thumping idiots? hard to tell sometimes, isn't it?
 
2010-12-27 09:11:22 PM
Weaver95: if we don't do what this group of white robed men and women say then the world will end in fire! floods and earthquakes and volcanic eruptions! disease and starvation! mass panic! But do what they tell us and we have a shot at survival.

now...am I referring to global warming or to bible thumping idiots? hard to tell sometimes, isn't it?


Bible-thumping idiots believe that the world will end anyway and there's nothing anyone can do to delay or facilitate that.
 
2010-12-27 09:15:59 PM
Relatively Obscure: Bible-thumping idiots believe that the world will end anyway and there's nothing anyone can do to delay or facilitate that.

Well, to be fair, scientists and science minded people also believe that the world will end...just not quite in the few thousand year creation/end period Bible-thumpers do.
 
2010-12-27 09:22:18 PM
FTFA: THE earth continues to get warmer, yet it's feeling a lot colder outside.


And why does it 'feel' colder?

i52.tinypic.com


/suck it, watermelons...
 
2010-12-27 09:22:51 PM
Relatively Obscure: Everything I know about climatology, I learned from blurbs in newspapers and AM radio.

Is there anything else to learn? I think not.

/Is AM radio still around? Every device I've used in years has only used FM if anything
//If the RIAA has their way everything I ever touch will have a radio in it though
 
2010-12-27 09:27:40 PM
This such a god dammed hoax.
 
2010-12-27 09:30:11 PM
Ender's: This such a god dammed hoax.

climate change might actually be happening - the problem is that there's a number of scientists who stopped doing science and started doing politics instead. that's kind of a shame, since I'd actually like to see more science and less politics in all of this.

Bjorn Lomborg has a couple/few excellent articles and books out on the subject.
 
2010-12-27 09:32:53 PM
WorldCitizen: Well, to be fair, scientists and science minded people also believe that the world will end...just not quite in the few thousand year creation/end period Bible-thumpers do.

Right.. and that's why I put that little qualifier on the end (though the statement was admittedly still a smidge simplistic).
 
2010-12-27 09:34:08 PM
Weaver95: climate change might actually be happening


Did the weather ever change before there were liberals?
 
2010-12-27 09:36:39 PM
Gato Negro: Weaver95: climate change might actually be happening


Did the weather ever change before there were liberals?


do me a favor will you? don't be on my side. go be somewhere else.
 
2010-12-27 09:38:32 PM
I can't imagine that pumping this HUGE quantity of carbon dioxide that has been buried in the earth for tens of millions of years is doing NOTHING to effect the atmosphere. It's a hugely complex system for us to predict exactly the effects of this though.
 
2010-12-27 09:39:18 PM
Weaver95: do me a favor will you? don't be on my side. go be somewhere else.


I'm not on your side.
 
2010-12-27 09:46:10 PM
forums.adobe.com

/oblig.
 
2010-12-27 09:46:59 PM
Weaver95: climate change might actually be happening - the problem is that there's a number of scientists who stopped doing science and started doing politics instead. that's kind of a shame, since I'd actually like to see more science and less politics in all of this.

Bjorn Lomborg has a couple/few excellent articles and books out on the subject.


That's the crux of the issue. They stopped doing science and started doing politics yet people still shout, "SCIENCE," whenever these discussions pop up. They cannot understand how someone can find one thing, then report another as it matches what they wanted to find.

I am referring specifically to the AGW aspect of it all.

Gato Negro: I'm not on your side.

You're missing the gist of the message: GO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE
 
2010-12-27 09:55:02 PM
Watermelons cry and plead that Global WarmingTM is now 'settled science'... and that's why you should pay higher taxes to liberals - if you're part of the 50% who still has to pay them, that is (wink).

But let's look at some of the 'settled science' from the last hundred years or so...


"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible." - Lord Kelvin,
president, Royal Society, 1895.

"There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement" - Lord Kelvin.

"Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible." - Simon Newcomb, 1902.

"Space travel is bunk" -Sir Harold Spencer Jones, Astronomer Royal of Britain, 1957, two weeks before the launch of Sputnik

"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction." - Pierre
Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872.

"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon." - Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873.

"Such startling announcements as these should be deprecated as being unworthy of science and mischievious to to its true progress" - Sir William Siemens, 1880, on Edison's announcement of a sucessful light bulb.

"Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time. Nobody will use it, ever." - Thomas Edison, 1889

"It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the [flying machine] problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere." - Thomas Edison, 1895

"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value." - Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre.

"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will." -- Albert Einstein, 1932.

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." - Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949.

"I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year." - The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957.

"There is practically no chance communications space satellites will be used to provide better telephone, telegraph, television, or radio service inside the Unided States." -T. Craven, FCC Commissioner, 1961.

"But what... is it good for?" - Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." - Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981.



/but Global WarmingTM remains 'settled science', according to the smug, sneering liberals of our time...
 
2010-12-27 09:59:45 PM
Gato Negro: But let's look at some of the 'settled science' from the last hundred years or so...

Do you have any idea how much of the crap you just posted couldn't be even CONSTRUED as scientific consensus of any form at all?

Hint: basically all of it.
 
2010-12-27 10:00:22 PM
Ender's: You're missing the gist of the message: GO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE

Ignore is a wonderful thing
 
2010-12-27 10:06:16 PM
Relatively Obscure: Everything I know about climatology, I learned from blurbs in newspapers and AM radio

That's all bullshiat. You need a good sex manual to learn about climaxes.
 
2010-12-27 10:06:50 PM
SpaceyCat: Ender's: You're missing the gist of the message: GO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE

Ignore is a wonderful thing


I know he's ignoring, that's what's so frustrating! :P
 
2010-12-27 10:14:24 PM
Weaver95: there's a number of scientists who stopped doing science and started doing politics instead. that's kind of a shame, since I'd actually like to see more science and less politics in all of this.

Um, how many are "doing politics" as opposed to taking money from people whose bottom line is based on the concept of "no global warming?" I, for one, would like to see less politics and less farking money in all of this. But that's not going to happen, since money is what gets politicians elected. And a little bit of politics, too.



Gato Negro: let's look at some of the 'settled science' from the last hundred years or so

You do realize, I hope, that alomst everything you cited there was about engineering, not science?

Are you one of Bevets's alts?
 
2010-12-27 10:18:35 PM
oldebayer: You do realize, I hope, that alomst everything you cited there was about engineering, not science?


Engineering has nothing to do with science?

Did not know that...


/does Global WarmingTM have anything to do with communism?
 
2010-12-27 10:32:36 PM
GaryPDX: Well, other than everyone living under a set of rules that is mandated by a small group of "administrators" for the good of the People, not much.

Under true communism there is no government. Are you confused and mean totalitarianism?
 
2010-12-27 10:33:29 PM
Weaver95: Ender's: This such a god dammed hoax.

climate change might actually be happening - the problem is that there's a number of scientists who stopped doing science and started doing politics instead. that's kind of a shame, since I'd actually like to see more science and less politics in all of this.

Bjorn Lomborg has a couple/few excellent articles and books out on the subject.


To be fair, it's about climate change. Not warming. Not cooling.

I am a bit more worried about interruption of the thermohaline currents. Massive amounts of fresh water at the poles can slow or even shut down the normal current flows, which transfer a massive amount of energy. Not to mention, fresh water freezes at higher temperatures, which can then lock up that fresh water in greater amounts, leading not just to shut down in those currents, but large amounts of ice then getting locked up--much more so than the ice we have normally had could lead to another Ice Age.

Climate change is the worry, and I'd rather see folks using that, than "Global Warming" because that is a much better term. Weather pattern disruption isn't a one plus one sort of thing, there are cycles and energy transfers that go on across the globe that contribute to the patterns we rely upon for food production, or just plain living space. Interruptions in those patterns, even on the short term, can lead to catastrophic effects to civilizations.

Can we handle the effects? Probably. Will we get the Armada Storms of Peter F. Hamilton's Reality Dysfunction--coined by the idea if the beat of a butterfly's wing in one part of the world could create a storm in another, then there must have been an armada of butterflies to create such storms? Probably not. But disruptions in energy transference patterns are something to watch, and hopefully then deal with. Change back? Almost certainly not, but forewarned is forearmed, and that is really what we need. To know and be able then to predict the emerging patterns.
 
2010-12-27 10:42:07 PM
Gato Negro: oldebayer: You do realize, I hope, that almost everything you cited there was about engineering, not science?


Engineering has nothing to do with science?

Did not know that


For someone who posts so much, and on threads like this, you are even more ignorant than most. Engineers are practical people. They do not do impractical experiments, do not construct theories based on the evidence of such experiments, or argue about whether or not one theory better fits this evidence than another. They do tests, and then they build things according to the results of htose tests. If what they build works, they are in fine shape. If not, they are farked.

This is why most institutions of higher learning have separate departments devoted to science and engineering. Maybe not your alma mater, though.

Bob Jones?


GaryPDX: Gato Negro: /does Global WarmingTM have anything to do with communism?

Well, other than everyone living under a set of rules that is mandated by a small group of "administrators" for the good of the People, not much


That is an exceptionally silly comment. Fark is exactly such a system, yet here you are.
 
2010-12-27 10:46:00 PM
 
2010-12-27 10:46:32 PM
GaryPDX: Oh I get it. You excuse the failure of every time Communism has been tried as it never had a real chance because of totalitarian dictators messing it up. So you want to try it again, amirite, Comrade?

/Green is the new Red.


Nope. Humanity sucks. We are greedy, violent animals. Hence, pure communism or pure libertarianism would never work as they both rely on the better angels of our nature.

The only thing that seems to moderately work with us is a mixed system where we allow enough greed to keep the innovation going with enough regulation to keep the greediest from starving the masses along with a reasonable social safety net. You know, that thing that has worked for the West really well the last 100 years or so.
 
2010-12-27 10:48:05 PM
WorldCitizen: Under true communism there is no government.


That's right.

And jihadis aren't the 'real' islam either...

i51.tinypic.com
 
2010-12-27 10:54:21 PM
oldebayer: you are even more ignorant than most.


So most people are more ignorant than you?

Tell us, oh wise one, one thing - just one gem of knowledge - that you know, but 'most' don't. I'll even help you out with a topic.

Explain how the gigantic ball of nuclear fire that we orbit (i.e. the sun) affects the earth and how it's effects are in no way constant from one century to the next.
 
2010-12-27 10:58:37 PM
GaryPDX: The only argument is where the lines are drawn.

Yes, for the most part. The US is pretty far to the right of all of the other wealthy democracies on this. There are some elements of the right who would like to pretty much like to undo all of the things we learned from 1930 on as to how to maintain this balance. The US is in no way going to go anywhere even near as far left as, let alone beyond, the other wealthy democracies even if the most liberal of Democrats got their way; our Democrats would be the conservative party in the other wealthy democracies. And they are still wealthy democracies. Yet, to listen to the battle cry of the right one would think the US was on the edge of turning socialist.
 
2010-12-27 11:11:17 PM
Judah Cohen is an energy industry whore.
 
2010-12-27 11:13:56 PM
Gato Negro: oldebayer: you are even more ignorant than most.


So most people are more ignorant than you?

Tell us, oh wise one, one thing - just one gem of knowledge - that you know, but 'most' don't. I'll even help you out with a topic.

Explain how the gigantic ball of nuclear fire that we orbit (i.e. the sun) affects the earth and how it's effects are in no way constant from one century to the next


Did I imply I knew more than most people? Not at all. I said you seemed more ignorant than most, an entirely different thing. This is why there is a term that used to be used frequently: "the village idiot." Everyone in the village could see that he/she was an idiot. This didn't mean anyone who called him or her the village idiot was setting themself up as superior to all the others in the village. Do you get that distinction?

You want me to explain the sun? And how it affects the earth? First, this is a topic that no one on this planet even begins to completely understand. Second, if you are angling to blame climate change on the sun, go back and reread my "First" comment. You cannot blame something you do not understand on something you do not understand, unless you are even more ignorant than I suspect.

I'm not in a great mood now, for various reasons that I will not go into, but I have seen you on a lot of threads, and have never found much use for you or your posts, which seem mostly partisan, peevish and pitiful. In the politics tab you at least manage to alienate the people you like to rub the wrong way, which is fine with me. But when you get into a thread about science, a subject I happen to know a small amount about, and start spouting utter nonsense and then being defensive when someone calls you on it, you prove yourself one step below the village idiot.

Go back to posting your stupid cartoons and ranting about smug, sneering liberals, and leave people who aren't interested in your idiotic political crap alone. Just for tonight, at least. Maybe I'll feel more optimistic in the morning.

/Hope you didn't read this stupidly long rant. I wouldn't. :)

//See, I feel better already. Maybe I'll have a cookie.
 
2010-12-27 11:17:35 PM
oldebayer: You want me to explain the sun? And how it affects the earth? First, this is a topic that no one on this planet even begins to completely understand.


And yet Global WarmingTM is 'settled science'?

You seem to have a confusing message...
 
2010-12-27 11:18:24 PM
GaryPDX: You're trying to compare America, the most powerful country on the planet, to other countries in Europe or bum fark Egypt for all I care?.

To be fair, the EU does have a larger economy than the US.

For being only 10% the size of the US in population, Canada doesn't do so bad. I don't think when I cross the border into Canada, "wow, so this is what we've been warned about by the right as a socialist shiathole."

And the other countries do several things better than the US including for the most part something as simply and drastically important as education. And life expectancy. And some even provide rights to their citizens that the US does not say like gay marriage. Or freer drug laws.

But we are now totally thread jacking.
 
2010-12-27 11:19:22 PM
All scientists are grant whores so you can't trust any of them. Rely on the clergy and you can't go wrong.
 
2010-12-27 11:20:10 PM
oldebayer: I hate to bring it up, but there is the Ignore feature.

I use it because life is too short for some brands of stoopid.
 
2010-12-27 11:24:57 PM
Gato Negro: oldebayer: You want me to explain the sun? And how it affects the earth? First, this is a topic that no one on this planet even begins to completely understand.


And yet Global WarmingTM is 'settled science'?

You seem to have a confusing message...


Burrrrrrnnnnn!!!!!
 
2010-12-27 11:31:19 PM
Gato Negro: oldebayer: You want me to explain the sun? And how it affects the earth? First, this is a topic that no one on this planet even begins to completely understand.


And yet Global WarmingTM is 'settled science'?

You seem to have a confusing message


Did I ever say it was "settled science?" I am not even sure what that means, since one of the goals of any scientist is, or at least should be, to UNSETTLE any currently held scientific theories. But then, I would expect that the Fark Village ImbecileTM would be confused.

Have a nice night, because I won't. Not because of you, though.
 
2010-12-27 11:52:00 PM
GaryPDX: You're trying to compare America, the most powerful country on the planet,

Most powerful in what? Socialist defense spending, maybe?
 
2010-12-27 11:55:57 PM
Wow, second one today eh? Okay, I'll just leave this here.

i371.photobucket.com


Now hurry the fark up because I want to move back to Michigan where medical pot is legal, and then I can hire illegal Canadians to pick the oranges I grow, damnit.
 
2010-12-27 11:59:08 PM
GaryPDX: GrantWhoresTM.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2010-12-28 12:01:33 AM
GaryPDX: Michigan Oranges? Hmmmmm..

Well I suppose if I went with Bananas, I could make extra money marketing them to Noir Leather... hmmmm....

Daaayyyoooo, daaaayeeeoooo
Daylight coom and me wanna go home, eh?

Yea I suppose that could work.
 
2010-12-28 12:10:00 AM
I guess Jon Snow is enjoying his holiday.

See the last thread for the usual stuff.
 
2010-12-28 12:10:21 AM
GaryPDX:
Hey, you can do anything in an enclosed environment. There's a company/farm in BC. They grow tomatoes in the winter, top dollar. They do it indoors, a little like BC BudTM. A pretty large operation too.


...And that's pretty much where I sit on the whole Climate Change debate. The Climate has changed, it is changing and will continue to change regardless of whether or not we send ourselves back to the stoneage through exorbitant energy costs. Instead of pushing for pointless trade schemes, we should be focusing research on the best ways to mitigate the damage done by a changing climate. (i.e. Learning how to grow all kinds of foods in enclosed area's so that you can farm anything, anywhere)

Everything else is speculation imho.
 
2010-12-28 12:20:55 AM
GaryPDX: cameroncrazy1984: GaryPDX: You're trying to compare America, the most powerful country on the planet,

Most powerful in what? Socialist defense spending, maybe?

Well, I did name 4 things (in what) in that comment but you just clipped a few words. Did you read the whole comment? Or did you "shoot from the hip" on the first few sentences?


Actually, three of those things were related to defense spending, while the fourth was something that comprises like 1/2 of 1% of our budget.
 
2010-12-28 12:35:22 AM
Since "global warming" or "climate change" has become so politicized, I don't give two shiat about it. At this point it's about as meaningful as atheists arguing with evangelical christians.

It's winter in the northern hemisphere, and it's cold outside. When summer rolls around in 6 months, and people will be crying about the heat.

Round and round we go, where it stops nobody knows.
 
2010-12-28 04:35:42 AM
So something that affects the weather will affect weather differently in summer or in winter. Is that the basic gist of the science that this thread is arguing about? Because that's really complicated. Like, if the summer has sunshine and heat and rain, and plants are growing, how is that different from winter? Shouldn't global warming have the same effects all the time? But global warming hasn't kept leaves on the trees duh. I guess that it is all politics. The only way to explain the differences between summer and winter is that there are none, if you just look at averages. So I guess it has to be all politics. Science is so political, I am glad that there are only Democrats and Republicans, because if there were any more politics, just imagine all the weird things scientists would be trying to tell us. Let's just shut it down all before whatever I was talking about. We should cut science so that the government doesn't try to start up any more programs that waste taxes to make the rich richer.
 
2010-12-28 05:28:45 AM
Gato Negro: Watermelons cry and plead that Global WarmingTM is now 'settled science'... and that's why you should pay higher taxes to liberals - if you're part of the 50% who still has to pay them, that is (wink).

But let's look at some of the 'settled science' from the last hundred years or so...


Not one single thing you sited even remotely resembles what any intelligent person would call "settled science." In fact, everything you sited was a quote from a single person.

As for global warming (inaccurate label), or climate change (closer to the concepts widely agreed upon), or whatever you want to call it, please point to any debunking that has been peer-reviewed by those working in the field of climate sciences.

Otherwise, you don't have a leg to stand on for this nanny-nanny-poo-poo argument of yours.
 
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